/Fraud/

nah she's alive, you can text her

>>38957221
post her digits need to send dick pics

I hope she is kill

>>38957307
not before she chokes to death on my dick goddammit

Is he natty?
https://www.instagram.com/jeffnippard/

>>38957151
If this post gets doubles everyone in Florida will get a gf

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>>38957151
OP forgets to link to the fucking previous thread AGAIN edition
>>38946333

If dubs everyone who posts itt gets gyno.

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how do you guys deal with on cycle lethargy?

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With a range of this.

If youd just cruise on 200 OR 250 testosterone around where would that stack up at

(and then also where at 500 on blast)

>>38957151
What is up with saarms?

>>38957647
whats the difference between free and total test?

What is the general consensus on "steroid alternatives" like DBol GH?

>>38957151
Do masT and his brother workout together?

>>38957647
Different people respond differently to exogenous test. Also, remember that UGL test will have variation (some sources might overdose bc test is cheap and getting a rep for selling "underdosed" stuff can be bad).

I've seen people post bloods showing 2k on 250/week. Then I see people posting bloods posting bloods showing 3k at 500/week.

>>38957693
Free test is available to bind to androgen receptors. Total test includes "bound" test that has been rendered inactive by SHBG and also test that is bound up to albumin (I think the latter is actually somewhat active, but I could be wrong).

>>38957684
They're cool. Stack with real steroids if you're gonna do anything but GW or MK.

>>38957809
If by workout you me blow each other yes

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How do I get gear sent to my house without my mom finding out?
She always checks my mail.

>>38957834
let it be sent to your nearby packing station

>>38957614
up the dose

>>38957834
you are not old enough for steroids if your mom does not allow you to open your own mail

>>38957813

Ah cool, but even so. if the dose is normal/loweish dosed the test, going around cruising on 200/250 a week would still be a shitload higher then natural normal/high test.

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>>38957861
Assuming normal dose and average response to test, yes, I think that 200/250 would put you at the top or slightly above the normal range (which is 350-1200).

>>38957834
see: >>38957857
Also if you're desperate try a PO box or mail it to a friend.

>>38957910
lol

200 would put you somewhere around 1600 ng/dl

Can anyone tell me the biological/evolutionary advantage of test and HGH declining with age?

Or did nature just go full retard with that one?

>>38958066
Low levels of growth hormone are associated with longevity.

>>38957614
Caffeine pre workout, and advanced laziness outside the gym.

>>38958066
Everyone gets old and dies. Deal with it

>>38958066
I don't think there was one. Paleolithic people didn't make it past thirty, for the most part. No advantage in having a body that can be healthy into it's 80s if you die of exposure/malnutrition/diseas/injury in your twenties.

>>38958066
>Be me
>Live in year 2100
>the revived corpse of Rich Piana has taken over the world 10 years ago and implemented mandatory scoops for everyone.
>HGH and insulin levels never stop pumping through the world's veins at exponential levels every day
>Some people explode, some people's organs fail when they burst against their rib cages, but other evolutionary beasts have evolved the ability to continuously grow unimpeded for all eternity.
>Beings the size of the stay puff marshmello man from ghost busters appear all over the world
>Evolutionary marvels of their time, they are all controlled by the revived corpse of our lord Piano.
>While stomping through dyels around the world, these beings can be heard chanting only one thing
>"scoops, scoops, scoops, scoops..."

>>38958154
Source on that?

This motherfucker managed to live into his 60s in the damn rainforest, and survive intertribal warfare.
https://youtu.be/3uDb4DCcBMA

I can't imagine living past age 30 was that uncommon. Even if there was a large culling through warfare disease et al. The evolutionary advantage of a few more decades of breeding would definitely make up for it.

>>38958228
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy
Paleolithic's average is 33, and it drops down to 26 bronze age.

Which isn't really as low as I expected. It's just not the 67.2 we've got today.

>>38958112
Didn't you used to dabble with HGH? Do you not care about longecity?

Just curious.

>>38958228

But that's just one person... Out of 100 billion that have ever lived.

>>38957151
anyone who gets bloods done in the UK. Do you get it done on the NHS? Do you just ring up and ask for bloods, or do they need a legit reason, if so what reason do you give? Can you ask them to print off the results or will a consultant want to speak to you as your bloods are way off?

If you answer all these questions I will give you one sucky sucky that is normally fiver dollar but i do it for you long time

>>38958380
no help here, but have a (You) because I'm interested in the US equivalent.

>>38958308
>Based on the data from recent hunter-gatherer populations, it is estimated that at 15, life expectancy was an additional 39 years (total 54), with a 0.60 probability of reaching 15.

So it's that extremely misleading life expectancy where you include all the dead babbies. Got it.

>>38958392
Thanks for the you, but no sucky sucky 4 u

>>38958324
I care about longevity, I just didn't know that then.

I take 2 grams of Metformin daily, hopefully that'll buy me a few more years experiencing this blue dot.

>>38958410
Yarp. Hence me saying "Which isn't as low as I expected"

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>>38958440
>This loser isn't depressed enough to want to die young
Kek

>>38958440

Metformin... I'll need to check that out.

Ehats your opinion on roids and longevity? Especially tren.

>>38958380
medichecks is good
>>38958392
privatemdlabs

>>38958456
Never.

>>38958458
Roids just aren't for me anymore, that's the most I'll say about it.

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>>38958440
Whattup with the metformin fad

Can buy 100s of pills of it pharma for like 2 bucks here.

Inb4 it turns out it causes cancer like everything else.

>>38958460
>$300 for an anabolic steroid test kit
>$100 for a testosterone test kit

Jesus fucking fuck... Why can't I just get it done through a hospital for free like a eurocuck?

>>38958446
Then your statement here

>>38958154


Is just incorrect. Most people died before 15, not their 20s and 30s. If you lived past adolescence you could expect to make it into your late 40s at least, even in shitty times like medieval England or Bronze age Greece. I bet that is even higher if you're high on the social ladder. And guess what people high on the social ladder do? Spread their genes. Guess what they do more of if they're feeling healthy? Spread their genes.

>>38958460
yeah but its 70 pounds though, nhs is free hence my question

>>38958484

Dann sorry to hear that. Health related?

>>38958380
Friend of mine wasn't feeling great after pct. Went to his gp to get checked over. The gp took bloods but was pissed that he was wasting nhs resources on the consequences of recreational drug use and someone treating themselves like a "human guinea pig". He suggested that next time he fucks with his endocrine system he goes to the private sector (bupa?) to "pick up the pieces"

Doctor was mad as fuck lol

Just got my test results from the doc, my T levels are at 320.
I have been going through a depression like state for several years, could my T levels explain this? Also i have an unexplained iron deficiency
Never did a cycle

>>38957647
huh thats interesting test keeps increasing until mid 40s, but obvs shbg goes up too. If we could get a sarm that doesnt touch test at all, it should reduce shbg and give more free test.

>>38958484
>Roids aren't for me anymore
>Lurks /fraud/ constantly
???

>>38958507
>Is just incorrect
I thought we covered that part.

>>38958578
>you die of exposure/malnutrition/diseas/injury in your twenties.

>>38958066
Decreasing hormone levels is due to aging/senescence, for example, something like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_damage_theory_of_aging

Decreasing hormone levels isn't specifically selected by evolution

>>38958523
Mostly, yeah.

>>38958572
I'm a masochist.

>>38958534
why couldnt he just pick up the results without seeing the doc? I can see the doc's point though for sure

>>38958154
the AVERAGE age was 30 since there was a high amount of infant mortality. If you survived to be 10, you'd live to be 65

>>38957151
I keep taking aromasin but I still have terrible moods, no libido and oily skin why won't it fuck off im on 25/day...

If you run a test only cycle (500 a week)

Would you need to use an AI from the very start, or only if sides run up, like itchy nips etc.

>>38958615
youre tanking your estrogen

>>38958659
yeah

>>38958615

Either take more and risk crashing your estro or get some bloods done.

Take action nigga.

>>38958659
on lower doses there is a good possbility that you dont need an Ai.

500 is a different story and its unlikely you wont need an AI, so take it from the start

>>38958667

im p sure oily skin and terrible moods is high estrol.

low estro is always dry skin

>>38958686

So cruise is no ai (but keep on hand)

And 500
Or other intesencer cycles have it run all the time. okay

>>38958667
yeah but im still showing signs of high estro...

>>38958675
I don't want to crash my estro, I'm already a miserable cunt haha. Tempted to get bloods, is £70 i'd rather not spend yet though

>>38958690
well how long have you been on it and is it legit, what are you running?

>>38958686
>>38958697
i need AI on 200mg test, dont listen to these cucks, think and dose for yourself bro

>>38958704
oh im not him, its just from my own experience

>>38958704
lol dude, im saying that if you are on 250mg, you can just wait and see if you need an Ai.

compared to if you are on 500mg, i would take Ai anyways and not wait for itchy nips.

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> that first pin of the week

>>38958704
6 weeks. Its pharma grade off the most reputable uk site so dont think its bunk.

>>38958599
Medical professionals in the nhs usually mediate test results. They assume you don't have the medical background to interpret them adequately.

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>>38958736
>Inb4

>>38958826
that makes sense, anyone used medichecks? On the list of things that it covers in the standard blood test, it doesn't say testosterone and estrogen levels - does that mean I have to pay more than the 70 quid for them?

>>38958701
Think im gonna risk the estro crash lads, one tab a day for a week and see if i feel better. It's a risky business wish me luck, if I don't make it, know that me and my bacne are going to a better place, depression.

>>38958881
I'm guessing it won't be one of the finger-prick ones. I might be wrong.

where do I buy mk677, proviron, and andractim in Europe? preferably online

don't ask

>>38958931
found it, it was under a different test. Is Oestradiol synonymous with oestrogen? That's the wording they say they are testing for.

Sup nerds

very unrelated but do people here have experience with something that will stimulate beard growth?

>>38958970
>>38958615
bimbobae what you think I should do?

>>38958930
if you bump up the ai like that and you still have the same symptomps, then it means you have already crashed your estro and you have mistaken it for high estro.

>>38958852
It did sting a bit on withdrawal!
But I think it was due to how tight I had the skin.

Hey guys, how about adding tren e last five weeks of this blast?
It be 200mg twice a week.

jerry?
>>38958915

>>38959006
but my skin is so oily and when i add more asin my skin definitely gets better, but the mood is just consistently shit thats for sure. If I had crashed estro how long would it take to get back to norm at 600mg/week test

Only 4 weeks in to using minoxidil on face and I can already feel the difference.
Stubble is now very thick and can feel hair all over checks instead of thinly spread.
All the hair is small white ones, but after a few months use they should be matured and nice and thick and black.

This shit is great.
Strong jaw, good facial hair.
I'm going to have a great face by the end of the year brehs

>>38959028
holy shit

>>38959058
Should have posted that in the good feels thread brah, been using minoxidil anywhere else?

>>38959051
well yes as i said, it seems like you have high estro sides, not low estro, but you never know, so watch and observe what the increased Ai dose will do.

im just saying if the symptoms stay the same, it means you already have crashed estro.

i cant tell you how long it would take to get normal levels again, but on 600mg it would happen fast.

>>38959108
how long do you think i should keep at the upped AI dosage before I say that it is crashed and not that it is high estro? A week of 25mg a day should be sufficient no?

>>38959094
We'll I use steroids and it was the advice of people on this thread that led me to using minox.
Also no. Just the face. Definitely if I start to lose hair on my head though

>>38959134
well it depends..
if after one week, you still have the symptomps (so nothing changes), taper down ai immediately.

If it gets better after on week, go for another week to be sure you are not crashing your estro actually.

the reason i believe you might have crashed estro and not high, is because you didnt mention puffy or itchy nips once.

>>38959275
they are a tiny bit itchy sometimes, and i did feel something which i thought was gyno once, but i cant say puffy nipples has been a big symptom.

>>38959022
Just transition from test e blast to tren blast. Fuck pct and cruising.

Did roids change your behavior? Did you become more aggressive or irritable?
Did you ever beat up anybody while or after doing roids?

I spotted Chem post in /fit/, not in fraud, but in elsewhere a few days ago. Thats a rare. He's alive.

Where do you order needles from?
Amazon has like a 3 week wait

>>38959646
feeling highly optimistic and have an urge to go out and have fun, drink, party.
fluent conversations, no awkward silence.
more likely to talk to people

thats just me though

>>38959666
post thread

>>38958735
Can you describe it more than just itchy nips? Is is more on the skin or underneath?

>>38959666
he's been posting in /fraud/ constantly lol

>>38959667
what's wrong with your amazon

>>38959618
Well I'm doing test e 500mg a week for 15 weeks, was thinking for the last 5 weeks adding tren e 400mg a week.

After that might PCT or taper down and cruise...

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>>38959028
Huh
Look at that

>>38959798
>5 weeks
>e
Make it Ace

>pct

>>38959841
nice pointy nips jerry

Test-e or test-c and why?

Hearing theirs no REAL difference.

>>38959862
E because that's what everyone does

>>38959798
>was thinking for the last 5 weeks adding tren e 400mg a week.
well apparently you don't "think" at all

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>>38959859
Thank you, that means a lot, I appreciate it

>>38959841
Heard with tren p or a you need to pin eod, but you saying a five week finisher with tren e is a waste?

>>38957813

I think it's pretty typical for UGLs to overdose test, while underdosing stuff like tren.

I got bloods showing 2400 T on 300mg/wk. I generally respond very well to exogenous test though.

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>>38959935
The pic of you linked earlier with Asuza on pec is really you? myron

I hope I get that much chest hair on roids

>>38959058
are you concerned about minox aging your skin?
shit inhibits collagen production iirc

>>38959798
>or taper down and cruise...
lol remember when you were insisting "JUST ONCE CYCLE GUISE"

>>38959989
>I think it's pretty typical for UGLs to overdose test, while underdosing stuff like tren.

who the fuck does this man, i dont think many peopel do this, their supplier is just shitty

i OD orals just because its easier to measure out 1g

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>>38959970
Yep.
Unless you frontload.
Too slow an ester for that short a time

>>38960003
Im sure theres lots of azusa chest tattoos lmao

>>38959918
Hey, a friend has a hook up with an IFFBB pro bodybuilder who has pharma grade stuff, didn't need anything so I asked hey what should I get and he suggested that.

But I did figure I'd be well served to come here and ask.

>>38960058
You need to research more dude.

Pros aren't pros because they're smart or know what they're doing. Pros are pros because they grow regardless of whatever stupid bullshit they decide is working; anything dorks for them.

>>38960076
Truth. Proof: MasT

>>38960058
There is no pharma tren

Alright, /fraud/, what's the truth about keeping/losing gains post-cycle? To keep things simple, let's talk about gains that are below a person's natural mass limits. Let's take a 5'11" male (<200 lbs) on a test e cycle at 500 mg/wk. He gets his bloods done, keeps his e2 in check, performs proper PCT, and maintains a healthy diet during and after the cycle. What percentage of his gains does he still have after his PCT is complete?

>>38960135
I'm sure there's parabolan floating out there somewhere.

>>38960138
how long is a piece of string

>>38960138
Dumb question.

If you work hard to maintain yourself you'll keep a good amount. Maybe not.

The safest option, in terms of maintaining build, is to just continue cruising.

>>38960148

>And upon reading that, thousands of glutes quivered in the hopes of one day getting pinned with that sweet nectar...

>>38960003
>lol remember when you were insisting "JUST ONCE CYCLE GUISE
Well that's not completely off the table, but this peer pressure though...
>>38960051
So sensei jerry, what would you suggest to finish off this cycle/blast?
Is doing tren as a finisher even logical?

>>38960250
Yeah do it
Itll feel good
Then youll definitely cruise

>>38960076
Thanks bro.
I figured I'd get some pharma asin and maybe an oral to finish things off with, guy just suggested tren.
>>38960135
When he mentioned pharma it was in relation to his orals, just figured it all be pharma since same source.

>>38960007

>< their supplier is just shitty

Uh, yeah true. Sorry didn't mean to imply that the UGLs themselves were under or overdosing on purpose. It seems to be a supplier issue.

I wonder how small these operations are. Couldn't you get the raws tested for some QA on your end?

>>38960309
>I wonder how small these operations are. Couldn't you get the raws tested for some QA on your end?

you could

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>>38960296
Do what?

>>38960171

Why is it dumb to try to gauge whether a cycle is worth it or not? Seems a bit more dumb to buy a couple hundred bucks worth of gear, AI, pins, and blood tests (not to mention the legal risks) and put in the work with the knowledge that "you might keep most of your gains, but then again, you might lose most of them." When you go to buy a car, do you consider it dumb to ask around and see if that particular model has a reputation for breaking down after the first 5,000 miles? Seems more like proper/careful planning to me.

>>38960364
1g tren ace ed

>>38960365
No.

You just need to accept the supraphysiological amounts of hormones are going to create supraphysiological effects in the body that cannot be maintained without those raised hormones.

No dude. No. You will not maintain the body or appearance or gains you want when/if you come off. You might maintain something, but the strength, fullness and energy will subside. You will not be pleased.

The only solution is to maintain these high levels of hormones.

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>>38960393

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>>38960415
Pussy.

>>38960401

That's why I mentioned gains that were below a person's natural limit. I don't understand the logic behind losing those types of gains off-cycle. A natty guy can go from 170 lbs to 190 lbs with normal amounts of test in his body, and maintain those gains. So, you're saying that a guy using test to go from 170 to 190 in a shorter period of time will lose that once he goes off-cycle, even though his natural test levels are capable of maintaining that mass under different circumstances? Please explain that to me... I'm not talking about getting up to 240 and thinking that mass is going to stick around once you come off the gear.

>>38960463
Okay. Well you do you man. Let us know how it works out.

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>>38960365
>>38960401
Bimbo is right, you lose a lot when you come off, not all of it, but a sizeable amount. If you want to roid plan to be on long term.

>>38960463
No it still won't work out because when you hit your natty max on roids you'll lose sizeable gains coming off during PCT. It can't be avoided.

Take it from someone who has been natty for over a year now.

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>>38960443
It's all moving too fast

>>38960415
Post pics of body dyel

>>38960474
You fucked your girlie back into your emotional and mental hell yet?

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>>38960463
You fill out with glycogen
Even just the water weight youll lose will have you looking worse

>>38960500
>natty for over a year now.
Jesus

>>38960517
Nah. Who knows what's up. We made plans and she crawled up my ass and pressed buttons. I finally responded and got ignored. Who knows wtf is up. She's weird.

Is IIFYM shit? I just want to cut down from 15% a bit but all the calculators tell me different things.

What ratio of macros would I need if I'm cruising on 250mg test? 220lbs btw

I've always dieted with keto and PSMF but I really just want a more traditional diet this time and tbqh I've never dieted that way before.

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>>38960509
Come at me

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>>38960525
Travel too much to roid anymore. Made a life choice, chose travelling for work over steroids. I'm sorry breh, il never be Zyzz tier now.

>>38960546
IIFYM is shit from a health perspective. You've said you have used keto before, stick to that, nothing shreds you down faster than keto ( not counting DNP and Tren)

>>38960585
>>IIFYM is shit from a health perspective. You've said you have used keto before, stick to that, nothing shreds you down faster than keto ( not counting DNP and Tren)

orrrr psmf?

>>38960546

Of course IIFYM is shit.

Macros are outdated.

Fucking put in the work and eat clean dude.

>>38960589
Psmf is shit. Keto is the one true diet

>>38960585
What do you do now?
I honestly don't think I could willingly give up da juice

>>38960560
An oral probably would be better but tren is fun as heck

>>38960585
Plato pls

>>38960605
wat

>>38960621
>>An oral probably would be better but tren is fun as heck

>>>>>>>>wat

>>38960629
Hes doing 5 weeks
He wouldnt even get the downsides

>>38960595
>>38960585
I liked keto ok but PSMF worked much faster.

When I'm maintaining or bulking I stick with specific macros, weigh my food, and count calories as well, so I'm not a complete diet retard.

Having said that, I've just never cut on a "traditional" diet and don't even know where to begin putting together a plan. I've used calculators for TDEE for bulking, but only as a general outline, I want a more precise number for cuts.

I really prefer not to cut on keto or PSMF this time around as low carb negatively affects my head at work.

>>38960560
AAAIIIEEEEEEEE

>>38960629
Wat what? I haven't seen it be successful. Jerry got nothing out of it. Canary got nothing out of it. I got nothing out of it.
Keto works

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>>38960621
I play NLHE and PLO live in various tourist towns around the globe. Travel every 3-4 months to a new location to change things up. Lived in Medellin, San Jose ( CR ), Montevideo and Macau so far.

I don't make a lot of money, but it's enough to live comfy and put away a little extra each month. Can't complain desu. Literally only fly back to Canada now to visit family and keep my healthcare valid. I've ever stopped regularly lifting ( I know fuck me )

> inb4 degenerate

Yes I know I am kek.

>>38960624
F..FL?

>>38960651
Just add tren to your regime. Eat at a 500 kcal deficit and do your cardio.

You'll be shredded in 1-2 months no matter how fat you are.

>>38960747
Shite this was me, anyways I have to run. Gl ladies and gents.

>>38957443
lol yes

>>38960648
Tren A 100mg EoD would do it?
Yes yes will do my own research but just getting info here while doing my cunt leg day.

> this prevents the pip

>>38960747
Thats cool man
Sounds neater than my wage slave life
But i like my job too

>>38960913
Id pin ed, like 75mg

>>38960747
>Just add tren to your regime. Eat at a 500 kcal deficit and do your cardio.
500 deficit before or after cardio

Never understood this, since can't you just eat less for the same effect as adding cardio

>thought I was blasting tren for the past 4 months and was just immune to sides or some shit
>I added in the tren as I was finishing off a DNP cut, so I attributed the leanness and vascularity I was gaining to the "tren"

>>>>turns out I spent the whole summer on 250 test and bunk tren, source is replacing it for free to everyone including me who got that batch, since he said he got a bad batch of raws

Fuck. My. Life. Legit tren gonna be here in a few days unless the hurricane fucks up the shipping.

Was wondering why I wasn't losing my fucking hair...

>>38957699
I've never used them, but do can you still get gyno?

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brehs

>>38961287
Meh.

Pointy shoulders 2/10 wnb

>>38957699
what the fuck? kill yourself

>>38960731
>I got nothing out of it.
nothing has worked for you, fat ass.

Fucking lol, a thread on Pol with ESTPs picture. Shes getting viral yo (and im not talking about AIDS)

>>>/pol/91541642

>>38961546
Im not big on negging. Gonna need to try harder to get deez nuts

>>38961287
I'd say it looks like an ass worth eating then remembered most chicks that tint have weird purple assholes and horse pussies.

Is 30min of cardio enough to not have a stroke on a blast or should I try for more?

Also whats the best way to make sure the weight I'm putting on isn't fat; body calipers and a scale?

>>38960970

you don't need the cardio.

but it helps speed things up a little. and it helps to counteract the negative health effects of roiding, like blood pressure and negative cardiovascular shit. honestly if you're roiding you should probably do at least some cardio whether you're cutting, bulking, or maintaining.

>>38961589

jesus that thread gave me a fucking headache. i haven't read a /pol/ thread in so long i almost forgot why i avoid it like the plague

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How do women, and people in general, treat you differently when youre jacked?

Not even necessarily shredded, but fucking big and muscular and shit.

Anyone go from small-average to fucking-huge in a short enough amount of time to see a significant change in other's behavior towards you?

>>38962505
If roiding supposedly enlarges your heart.. then isn't cardio working out your heart and making it bigger on roids? And wouldnt you lose the heart gains after coming off or going back to a trt dose since you're not maintaining those heart gains?

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>tfw pinned 1.25g of gear on a shoulder vein and had shortness of breath for 10 hours
>now I have roid flu

fucking hate this shit. Already took amoxicillin as a precaution, though I'm not in extreme pain like the last time I had an abcess so it's probably just roid flu and me being caught off guard by the sudden change in uk temperatures.

>>38961008
Never lost any additional hair on tren or test over natty. Always had plenty of shedding brushing hair in shower since 18. 31 now and still full head of hair. Tren does give me the sweats and ridiculous boners that demand immediate attention though.

>>38962575
I pinned tren e into blood stream three pinning days in a row via delts. Shit is scary. Didn't have shortness of breath had almost immediate ridiculous high uncontrollable heart BPM for 15 min straight before it calmed down. I don't pin delts anymore.

>>38962606

seems so easy to hit a vein in delts for some reason and only on my left delt.

But i believe in spot injections and 2.5ccs of pharma mix can only bring good things, outside of pain and sickness.

>>38962642
I did it on my left delt too. Funny thing is I did delts for test only for ages and never had an issue only when I took a break then tried tren.

>>38959862
Cyp is more prone to crash and cause PIP.

can you infect yourself with your own blood?

>everything is sterile and clean
>nick a vein, super tiny bit of blood in syringe
>reuse syringe but new and clean needle ofc

the 2nd site is a tiny bit warm but not as bad as that of an abcess. the pain is barely increased compared to the previous site, just minor test-P pain.

but anyway yeah I'm using antibiotics preemptively now just as a precaution.

>>38963561
Does it count as sourcing if you tell me where you found antibiotics?

>>38960500
>Bimbo is right, you lose a lot when you come off, not all of it, but a sizeable amount.
This is utter bullshit. Stop spreading this cancer.

You lose a lot, because most of you train and eat like shit. I have done two cycles before this and kept almost all my mass i gained. You will lose the fullness in the delts and traps and look softer, yes correct.

The only reason i stay on now on now is because of the terrible acne i always get during PCT. Accutane is the worst i can think of. Will never use it again. I rather stay on

>>38957910
>>38958024
Yeah 250 will put you way beyond natty limits.

>>38963597
>This is utter bullshit. Stop spreading this cancer.
>You lose a lot, because most of you train and eat like shit. I have done two cycles before this and kept almost all my mass i gained. You will lose the fullness in the delts and traps and look softer, yes correct.

It depends on the person too. But I agree that if you keep your diet, recovery, and training on point you won't lose as much as people like to scare you into thinking.

One thing I've noticed though is that a lot of people tend to feel like shit during PCT so they lose motivation/energy to keep their training, diet, and recovery on point. Just have to power through that shit to keep the gains.

>>38963576

nice female GP prescribed me 50 pills of amoxicillin in 15 mins flat, cost like 8 quid.

dunno bout you burgers, prolly get charged 500$ for a doctor visit and then reported to the police a day later.

>>38963561
If you worked sterile then you can not infect yourself. The needle will be a little more blunt causing more damage while going in and also injecting the blood itself can cause a small sterile inflammation which could explain the slightly raised temp and pain.

>>38963597
What's with everyone hating accutane?

I've been on 40mg/day for about three weeks, only sides are dry sensitive skin, chapped lips, and a very mild flare up the first week. All easily manageable.

>>38963667
Nah it's only like $60 for a visit and 4 for the meds.

Not really that bad, would be even less if I was smart enough to get insured.

>>38963660
>One thing I've noticed though is that a lot of people tend to feel like shit during PCT so they lose motivation/energy to keep their training, diet, and recovery on point. Just have to power through that shit to keep the gains.
This exactly.

>>38963677
Depends on the person. I had really bad suicidal thoughts. Wanted to kill myself ed. Was also very tired and had even a shit libido.

But i got rid of all the acne, you remember the old pics. kek

>>38963693
> I had really bad suicidal thoughts. Wanted to kill myself ed. Was also very tired and had even a shit libido.
I get those even without accutane. Fucking pussies cant deal with my natty genetics sides.

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>>38961690
I'm going to enjoy watching you turn into a daki fucking life long ALPHA cruiser.

>also, props on your pepe collection (i loved the toilet witch one)

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>>38963710

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>>38957151
I'm still alive mother fucker.


Thinking of dbol, never done it but have a million on me. Thoughts?

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>>38963724

>>38963745
Dbol always and forever

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>>38963745
30min pwo 20mg
gets u in 15min feels whole training session

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>>38963597
>The only reason i stay on now on now is because of the terrible acne i always get during PCT.

This is what is pushing me towards cruise mode.

I already have nasty bacne.
It ruined my summer.

I can't be dealing with what I have doubling, or turning into a giant tumerous plaque.
>>38963722
Why... why would I start fucking love pillows?

Have a lewd Pepe.

>>38962575

Pls don't use drugs 'as a precaution'. If you actually get hit with something nasty you need to move up the medicine chain from where you are.

boys need to buy something from supplement store to boost my orderby 10 dollars, which of these AREN'T memes/broscience timewasting crap?

L Glutamine
Tribulus Pro
HMB
T Matrix
L-Leucine
Exceed (Beta Alanine and Citrulline Malate)
Instantised Branch Chain Amino Acids
In:Fused -Amino Maintenance Formula
CarBarley™ - Low GI carbohydrate

honestly I'm thinking of just adding hand wraps to order, or maybe Taurine because I here it might work as a relaxant or potentiate phenibut somehow.

Thanks boys you're the only ones I trust.

Is pct a meme?

>>38964655
shoot yourself

>>38958958
help

>staring in mirror
>arms look bigger than usual
>back is painful
>what the fuck?
Oh yeah, 20mg sdrol pwo

>>38964655

get the exceed brah, that citrulline and B-alanine is insane for pumps

How do you guys feel about epistane?
Is it as useless as my tbol?

Just looking for an oral to close off cycle/blast and the pastebin made it sound decent.

>>38964988

Epistane is fantastic. Better than ugl anavar by far.

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>>38964988
>Is it as useless as my tbol?
that'd be a feat

I thought you'd already paid enough for your cycle ;]
just use anadrol already you dumb motherfucker

>>38965008
you have any pics of you at the olympia? still big i hope

>>38965008
Thanks mate, the pastebin did say it's like anavar with better gains.

Just reflecting and figured I'd leave off tren until my second cycle/blast.

5 weeks at 40mg a day would do the trick?

>>38965058

Msten > epi > var.

Epi skyrockets my BP.

I nearly had some PT drive me to the hospital after 3 days on it. I had 3 nosebleeds while lifting in under 30 minutes. Both noses. BP was 180/130 iirc. Something ridiculous anyway.

2 days later, BP fine. Take epi again? Nosebleed central.

Just watch your BP, that's all.

>>38965043

Where was that pic taken. Im moving.

>>38965043
What's wrong with tbol? I was going to try it next cycle. :(

>>38965218

Fairly weak, better options etc..

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Finally got my blood tests back and my testosterone levels are 10.6 nmol/L, which is technically in the acceptable range (8.6-29.0) but for a 20 year old man it's not really fucked. What should I do, leave it or go see my GP and tell him about my impotency issues the other things I've attributed to low testosterone, see what he thinks? Is it even possible to get testosterone supplements or TRT if I'm not technically outside that range? Need advice. The idea that I'm meant to be grouped in with 70 year old men doesn't make sense to me but I guess I could be missing something.

pic related - so fucking close to being outside the range. Anyway I've looked it up and can't find any studies showing what average test levels for a 20 year old are. Definitely going to see my GP this afternoon see if I can get a referral to an endocrinologist, think with all the symptoms I have if he doesn't cooperate I'll just have to get another GP.


Also not to make this post way too long but I'll probably need to get another bloodtest if I'm going down this route, anyone have any more ideas on how to artificially lower test so maybe I can push it right outside the range? I'll have to see someone I've been avoiding the past couple years if I want to get weed.

>>38965478
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26419465

>>38965099
How much were you running?
Did notice my pulse is higher these days.

Masteron is more of a cutting agent though, might need it by end of cycle but rather just get some gains.

>>38965108
Putting on weight but no pump or added strength, bit underwhelmed.

Taking 100mg a day.

>>38965478

10.6 is too low. That's out of range for test here.

>>38965773
Also www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25295520

>>38965776

30mg.

But it's just epi. Sdrol, msten, mtren... All fine.

>>38965782
>out of range for here
well for /fit/ yes obviously but I don't think medicine gives a shit. What would really be relevant is the 95% range of test levels of Irish men aged 20 and it looks like medicine doesn't care about that either. In 50 years when we're all """equal""" they'll be lumping the categorisations in with women and literally 100% will fail to get diagnosed low test. That range is ridiculous, the idea that a 20 year old and an 80 year old man are lumped together when it's expected that the elderly won't even be able to get erections is mad.

>>38965773
>>38965791
thanks anon. I'll give them a read. If I come in with studies though my doctor might get hostile because I'm pushing him too hard towards considering me low test.

>>38965823

My country. Cutoff was 11.2 here.

>>38965823
I wouldn't take those studies to him because they are saying that the range for a 70 year old is the same or nearly the same as for a 20 year old, just that there is a greater variance among older age men and that free testosterone declines with age.

>>38965833
ah alright yeah. Judging by anon's linked studies of Chinese men the Irish are lower test than your people, and the Chinese lower than us. Another reason why it might not be helpful bringing in Chinese studies but the correlation between aging and changes in test levels should at least be similar.

>>38965773
>Average of serum total T was 15.36±4.86 nmol/L; LH was 4.76±2.76 IU/L
>LH was 4.76±2.76 IU/L

Am I misunderstanding this? Isn't 2.76 meant to be one standard deviation? Because then it would go into the negatives with maybe 10% of men which doesn't make any sense. Something like 2.1/2.2ish standard deviations if I remember my high school statistics correctly.

>>38965874
They are reporting the 95% confidence interval. A value cannot go into the negatives.

>>38965932
Which is indeed 2.1 standard deviations btw.

>>38964742
Yes

>>38965478
>>38965823
If you really wanna get on TRT just do everything you can to lower testosterone. E.g. eating lots of liquorice, flaxseed, having the bloods taken when you're lacking sleep etc. Just look up everything you can find do it for a while before you see the doc already and then have him take the bloods. With a value like yours you'll probably end up under the reference value.
I don't know if you're truly deficient tho so its only a possibility that it will help any of the symptoms you attributed to your low T, but if you really think this is the solution then this is your best shot at getting on TRT.

>>38965940
yeah that's how it worked when I was at school, but I guess medical journals don't write the same way as high school maths students

>>38966259
I'll commit 100% next time they take my blood definitely.

Why do a lot of dyels wesr tank tops when they don't even lift? I'm not talking about weak skinny "hard gainers" I mean faggots that literally don't even step foot in the gym

Dienedione worth stacking with test? Non-methylated oral, so caught my attention perhaps being able to run it longer than typical orals.

>>38966458
>implying wife beaters are only for people who lift

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>>38966613
>Dienedione
what is

>>38958958
haha nice try FBI

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>>38966840
my vial is 250mg/1ml.

i want to do 125mg, twice per week.

this is how i should load up my syringe right?
im asking because i dont know what cc is, i only have ml scales.

is this correct?

pic related

>>38967949
you want to do 125mg each injection or each week?

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>>38967966
im doing 250mg every week.

125mg each injection, twice a week.


that pic was also wrong as fuck.
yes i am bad at math.


new pic, this is correct roit?

>>38967949
1cc is equivalent to 1ml
>>38967966
Poor reading comprehension
I worry about some of you guys

>>38968085
>>38968078
>>38967949

holy fuck all of them are wrong.

i just pin 0.5 ml right?

ffs im mad at myself ryt now

/fraud/ it's all so real now.

My syringes and needles come today.

My gear comes tomorrow.

I finally did it, I finally pulled the trigger after lurking for nearly 2 years.

I won't let you down Zyzz.

>>38968108

250/ml (ml = cc) and you want to take 125mg twice a week means you just do .5ml twice a week.

So yeah, you're right mate.

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>>38968133

>>38968108
yes if you want to do 125mg each injection twice a week which total 250mg each week then inject 0.5ml twice a week

>>38968078
If you want to do 125mg twice a week for a total of 250mg, why are you injecting over 250mg right now?

That syringe is wrong. You were closer the first time.

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>>38968078
>>38967949

Your syringe should be here (red circle) twice a week.

>>38967949
>>38968078
>>38968108
Jesus Christ dude

>>38968149
We're all gonna make it brah

>all these posts trying to explain how much half a ml is to one dude who literally knows nothing at all

what to do if im fat, trying to lose a lot of weight, not lifting yet and want to minimize loose skin and muscle loss?

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>>38968201
>>38968163
>>38968152
>>38968146


YES YES I GOT IT NOW.

IM NERVOUS MKAY?

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>>38968226
stfu nigger i know everything.

im just tired and fatigued and nervous fkn nigger.

black fucking nigger go to africa.

>>38968247
>what is a cc
>how much is a milliliter
>what are lines

>>38968228
you have no muscle

the only way to limit loose skin is to not lose too much weight too fast, like keeping it to a pound or two a week.

>>38968233
I feel you man, just be safe and take it slow.

>>38968228
lift weights and eat less
pray to jesus you dont get loose skin

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>>38968259
i know everything crucial.

this is the first time i see needles, let alone injecting myself with bathtub chemicals made out of cattle hormone

>>38968262
im doing a vlcd
im not into slow progress

>>38968275

Yeah definitely.

I can see both sides (your side and our side).

Your side: you wan't to be safe instead of sorry and make sure you get it 100%.

Our side: if you were in our shoes and someone is asking what is half of 1ml and where do lines exist in the universe, you can sort of see where we're like wtf.

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>>38968302
yeah bro i know, i facepalm at my self right now too.
just had brain lag.

im a mechatronics engineer for cryogenic technologies.
that sounds smart right?

Im smart r-right?

>>38968325
pls do my mechatronics homework for me

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>>38968347
i only know shit for refrigeration and cryogenic related shit.

ur also a nigger go back to africa

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> russian ex looks exactly like pic related plus 20 lbs
> basically, either 90 lbs or a butterface

> gf works at mall so there an hour before opening
> bunch of niggers waiting in a line for the new Air Jordans
> Nike intentionally only makes like 500 of these new shoes

You wait in line for a chance at being able to buy $450 sneakers. Typically you would bring your girlfriend/family to get more raffle tickets. If you're black, you keep the sneakers in your closet and wear them for walking on occasion. If you're not black, you resell the shit for $750+ to drug dealers.

It seems like all my money goes to other people, then there's niggers that have $450 for sneakers and likely own 7 pairs. I'm just not that kind of selfish.

>>38968262
>>38968272
i used to have BAD loose skin. went from 184 to 127lbs (lol) at 5'9. i had literally 0 muscle mass so i was probably 45-50% bf at the time.

i lost it all by the time i was 15. 19 now, so fucking glad i did it when i did, the loose skin is almost all gone now. i still have some shitty stretch marks and the skin isn't tight, but before you could see it and it was completely obvious, now it's not noticeable really

>>38968325
Haha no problem.

I'm a software engineer for GE and sometimes I have brain lag for the silliest stuff a child could beat me.

>>38968278
my condolences to your skin

>>38968403
I spend all my money on treating friends too.

>buzz head cuz felt edgy
>growing it back now
>it's in that intermediate stage where it is not short enough OR long enough to not look like shit

fuck. like it is too long to pass off as buzzed but too short to not look retarded

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Got a sore throat. Great I wonder when the full blown aids sets in.

>>38968667
Iktfb
Got a while to go before my manbun.

>>38968762
RIP
give me your steroids before you die

>>38968640
How you doin bimbo

>>38969216
I'm cool.

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>>38968667
>>it's in that intermediate stage where it is not short enough OR long enough to not look like shit

>>38969275
Youre growing out a manbun too?
Word

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>>38969325
Not currently, no, my hair is pretty much at that stage though. Here's my next 'do.

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Want to kickstart my next blast with Superdrol the only thing making me hesitant are the lethargy issues. plan would be

Week 1-16: 325 mg test e
week 1:16: 600 tren e
week 1/2/3: 10,20,30 mg Superdrol

Who has experience with Superdrol? How bad is the lethargy?

>>38964655
Leucine. Tastes like shit though. Blend it into your post work out shake. Should increase signalling. Technically you can take it with just milk for similar results since it's the thing responsible for signalling in whey protein. Check out ergo log for recent study on it.

>>38965099
Msten vs anadrol? I'd like to add one of those at small dose to dbol

>>38966840
An oral steroid/pH that isn't methylated. Google it. Just wondering if anyone had done it.

>>38969510
15-20g leucine daily from all sources should signal an efficient MPS response from someone on gear.

Don't purchase any free form leucine. A 1g serving would see maybe 200-300mg survive to the small intestine. I recommend a high quality hydrolyzed whey for quick absorption or if you're feeling spendy peptide bonded aminos or casein hydrolysates.

>>38969706
I used to add 20g to my post work out in a blender. Think it gave me a bit of a hypo feel for a short while too.

I got me some injectable sdrol at 20mg/ml, can i inject it with slin needle subq? or do i have to stick it in da muscle

How does /fraud/ rate trestolone? Is it as good as it's reported to be?

>>38969523
Those are both really excellent but I can run adrol far longer.

>>38969401
Liberty spikes?

>>38969754
So if I were to run 30mg dbol how much adrol would you add?

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You guys ever get stomach cramps/nausea from too much Test? I've been injecting 1g a week. Not sure why I feel so sick, this isn't anything like the symptoms for test flu so... hopefully i am actually just sick and will get better soon.

>>38969782
50mg

>>38968592
yeah whatever

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>>38969754
>Liberty spikes?

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Hey fraud, i'm trying to figure out how my first cycle would look before I do it.

I want to try taking aromasin 12.5mg every other day, but I'm not sure if this is right...


Or should I just take 6.25mg (half of the pill) every day?

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Will i be able to leave humanity behind on 250mg test?

>>38970027
Also, should I even bother taking aromasin the first day I inject?

>>38970029
only if you lift hard and eat right.

>>38969782
Yeah what he said
Around 50

>>38970029
Not really
But thats still above natty test

>>38969809
Maybe your test has some contamination or a foreign body in it and your body is sort of rejecting it?

>>38970029
Maybe if you have great genetics. It will be mostly good though especially if it's a BnC.

>>38970027
You're missing PCT.
There is no need to take AI the first day.
I guess you also know that the amount of ml you need to inject depends on how much mg/ml you're buying. Other then that it looks fine. Take asin ED instead of eod for more stable blood levels. The half life is around 25 hours.

>>38970109
I have a pct plan, I just didn't include it in the screenshot since my question was about AI.

My PCT is nolva and clomid for 4 weeks.

it's 250mg/ml so i'm injecting twice a week for a total of 500

For the asin, do you mean 6.25mg a day or 12.5mg a day?

>>38970029
Well you wont be limited to the natty limit and your physique should improve over time.

>>38970082
Jerry-San I plan on cruising after this blast, originally planned on cycling but my natty levels came back low and estrogen high so fuck it

I only have access to 250mg/ml ugl test, do I run 250 a week, which most consider too high for cruise, 125 a week which to me seems low, or do my best to try and get 200mg a week

Or does this shit really not matter that much and I'm an autist

>>38970139
Allright then its good, start with 6.25 increase only if necessary.

I want to add some trest ace (injectable) but seems to be hard to find.

>>38970109
>Take asin ED instead of eod for more stable blood levels. The half life is around 25 hours.
no it's not

>>38970160
I only buy 6ml syringes and eye ball it since the lines are in sixths (who the fuck wants 1/6 a cc??) So my pins vary, but im around 200-250 right now, I wouldn't sweat it so much, and you dont have to go in halves, figure each 1/10 is 25mg and work from there to get how many mg you want per inject

>>38970199
It is 24 hrs according to the dutch pharmacological database.

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>>38970165
Actually, just to be safe could you look at my whole thing just to be safe?

Test is 250mg/ml and I want 500mg a week.

Asin pills are 12.5mg, so asin/2 just means 6.25. Will increase this if necessary.

PCT is Nolva and Clomid.

>>38970199
>>38970222

Looked it up myself and I saw 21hrs in one or two places, but most places did agree on 24hrs which is close enough for me to 25.

>>38970029
if you cruise, and lift heavily, yes you will.
Its not high enough to be a lazy tard and still get jacked.

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Can i fuck on pct after cruising for a year and just gradually decrease the test I'm taking? Or am i just completely retarded right now

>>38970238
Looks about right, personally I would maybe even try 1/4th so 3.125 asin to start off and see how you respond but you're probably fine at 6.25 as well. Mostly because of the negative effect AI has on blood lipids.
You're starting PCT at day 4 of week 3 after last injection? I take it you're using Test E btw ? I think 25 days before PCT is fine, you could get away with 21 days as well. The PCT itself looks fine too.
Seems like you're good to go.

>>38970339
the fuck are you asking m8

Where do I buy roids safely that ship to Swedistan?

cheers lads

>>38970339
lol not sure what you are asking.
If you can skip PCT after a 1 year Cruise?
I wouldnt do that.


>gradually decrease test
what is this supposed to do

>>38970370
Okay, I'll try that!

Yes, it's Test E.

Okay then, that sounds good.

Thanks!

>>38970409
check flashback

>>38957151
Hate to break it to yeah she's still alive.

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>tfw find peace in my miserable life since I'm going to win the 101 million usd Eurojackpot this friday
>tfw gonna be able to get 3D printed bones so I can go from 5'6 to 6'4
>tfw gonna get facial surgery to become attractive
>tfw gonna be a playboy millionaire that is also tall and attractive

>>38957834
po box

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>>38970672
Ok

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>>38970773
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>>38970773

my buddy who is a pretty successful bodybuilder told me and my roomate if we wanted decent results (8-10 pounds of muscle) and a bit of bf% reduction to run 12 weeks of Anavar 50mg/day.

ive done research, people say its a waste of time without stacking with test at least. but given his knowledge i also trust his judgement. thoughts?

>>38970793
maybe he is just successful because of genetics, consistency and determination, like Jeff Seid for example

>>38970818
yes, obviously hard work genetics play a huge part, but im not talking about that. I'm talking about the cost/benefit analysis of Anavar only for 12 weeks ~ 50 mg/day

>>38970837
My understanding is anavar alone is a waste and will surpress or shut down natural test production, so u should run it with injection test

>>38970837
anavar is very expensive, I'd run 125mg test but that wouldn't give crazy result really, I'd also add 400mg deca

>>38970837
Inject testosterone.

>>38970793
Are you a girl

>>38970779
>Getting a tan and better posture doing 80% of the work

>>38970789
>Obviously heavily photoshopped. Skin and eyes aren't even the same.

>>38969740
Ask brick. He's been running it for a while. I think it's cool because apparently you don't need to run a test base and it is supposed to serve as a sort of male birth control too.

Anyone have experience with taking test on a plane if I plan to order syringes and needles from amazon to my destination? Is my best bet to leave it in my suitcase and not carry on?

>>38971332
Ive mailed it to myself a few times. A flat rate box holds the vial, any syringes and needles you might need, plus any orals or supplements