Parallel vs Ass to Grass

>>38813858
Yes.

yes

any other question?

>>38813858
as long as you go past parallel it's cool with me

>>38813868
Even if the weight is considerably different?

I have always squatted by these words:

'Lower faggot'

>>38813858
Yea especially for front squats, which can only really incorporate much glute action when you go below parallel

>>38813874
different from what

>>38813858

I go ass to grass unless I'm doing around 85% or higher of my 1RM for reps. Then I go a bit below parallel but I can't quite manage ass to grass.

As I make progression I can go ass to grass on the weight I was going just below parallel with, with my new 85%+ at a bit below parallel.

>>38813881
I can squat more weight going parallel rather than doing ass to grass

Butt wink is crazy on my squats, I cant do a proper atg squat. How do I fix this shit?

"parallel" squats are for fat immobile shits whose only reason to squat is to pat themselves on the back for walking out x amount of weight

>>38813972
>How do I fix this shit?

check your autism at the door and keep squatting

>>38813864
>>38813868
>>38813873
>>38813878
>>38813899

What if I can't do ass to grass without getting a seriously huge buttwink (and therefore hurting my lower back) ? I seem to have no flexibility and keeping squatting with weight doesn't seem helping me.

>>38813858
Depending on your frame, you are better off not going further than parallel.

>>38813858
not all the time but i use ATG as a indicator that I set a new 1rm and thats where i'm at regardless of outside factors like sleep, rest, or working out after a long day.

>>38813994
work on flexibility and mobility you fucking no good nigger

>>38813858
With safeties so low, why even use them at all?

>>38813998
>m-muh femur length

I'm 6'4 and have been going atg since the first day

its has nothing to do with proportions

>>38814014
1/10th rom nigga

>>38813858

I dunno do olympic gold medalists have the look and numbers you're trying to achieve?

>>38814014
>using pussy poles

not gonna make it

>>38813902
no shit nigga

>>38814027
Sounds like you know what you're talking about!
Frame =/= height

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>>38813858
Is OP's pic considered good enough depth for ATG? I thought we had to squat as low as possible without buttwink which is literally ATG for me. I have third world genes and hyper mobility so that might be why.

I basically do what this poster >>38813899 does. I go ATG until I get close to my 1RM. Then I just go below parallel but nowhere near ATG.

>>38814124
you're still a faggot by not breaking parallel

>>38814161
Post proof going beyond parallel with """""long""""" femurs

ass to grass puts all the pressure on your knees instead of upper legs, it's a bad idea

>>38815371
false

>>38813858
Only if you're trying to impress autistic teenagers on a Bolivian goat polishing website. Otherwise parallel is just fine.

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>>38815371
lol what?

thats almost exactly the opposite of true

it really doesnt matter that much

are you training for power lifting? pretty sure you need to go below parallel for that to count

are you trying to maximize your hypertrophy gains? pretty sure ATG has a greater ROM which should allow for greater hypertrophy

do you have some sort of physical ailment that prevents you from going ATG? then dont do it

do you not really care about going ATG? then dont do it

>>38814200
I'm 6'4 and atg without an issue.

>>38815557
This. It depends.

>this thread again

>>38813858
You squat as low as you can. That means keeping the lower back tight.

A little bit of buttwink is fine as long as you do not loose tightness.

Work on your mobility to keep getting lower (hip flexors, hamstrings, calves, ankles, etc.).

>parallel

>>38815475
>>38815538

Yeah I'm a qualified yoga instructor, I think I'm a bit more knowledgeable than some guys on 4chan

>>38815622
can you elaborate on how ATG puts more pressure on the knees, as opposed to parallel?

>>38815622
>I'm a qualified yoga instructor
do you even lift?

Wtf is buttwink.

>>38813902
You can squat more weight with a dick in your mouth too. What's your point?

>>38813902
Thats because youre half repping

>>38815668
What is commonly known as "butt wink" refers to the moment at the bottom of a squat when the pelvis begins to rotate backward and slip under the body. You'll also hear it referred to as "posterior pelvic tilt" or just "pelvic tilt," and when it's severe, it can be bad news for your lower back.

>>38815694
Wtf i never noticed anything strange with my pelvis and i squat as low as i can.

>tfw thought it was referred to the anus opening and closing

>>38815694
word on the street is that a squat plug can help eliminate buttwink

similar to how using a belt can add 10 pounds to your squat, so can using a butt plug

>>38815725
Can I substitute a Monster Zero Ultra can for a butt plug?

>>38815744
are you a faggot that doesnt care about losing his gains? then yeah go ahead

otherwise square up and use a squat plug, or even better, get a spotter that will give you his squat plug

gotta go organic you fuck

>>38813902
>I can squat more when muscles I never touch don't have to pull weight
really stimulates one's prefrontal cortex

>>38815834
Do you even physiology?

>>38813994
Then fucking stretch dude

>>38813998
no youre not. this is a common excuse

>>38813994
Squeeze your glutes and butt before each rep. That helped with my butt wink.

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>>38813902
>I can squat more weight going parallel rather than doing ass to grass

Why isn't anyone asking OP whether he's doing high bar or low bar? If low bar there's no need to go atg.

>>38815622
That is the most hilarious claim to credibility I've heard in a while. I'm a licensed massage therapist and a professional dancer and nowhere in my training is there any knowledge better than bro-science about the effects of high weight on the knee in extreme flexion. Whatever you think you know is probably bunk, so do some scholarly research please before you spread it. And if it's not bunk checking won't hurt.

>>38815622
>I'm a qualified yoga instructor

>switch from low bar parallel to high bar atg
>can only do one and half plates for 5 reps
fuarrrrrrrrrrrk

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>>38815622

>>38813858
I never went below parallel in over 15 years of lifting and I really don't give a fuck about it.

>>38816817

how about my own experience and several of my customers too who have come to me seeking help after messing their knees by squating too deep

seriously, go do a bodyweight squat ATG and then jump and see what your knees do

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>>38815622
>I'm a qualified yoga instructor

>>38815622
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14636100

>Hurr durr knees not past teh toes

>>38813858
The difference is inconsequential for anyone taking advice from /fit/.

>>38815684
Wait, is this true. Be right back guise, time to do some testing.

>>38813902
>>38813899
So what you're saying is that you're a bitch who only goes ATG with weight you can easily get up again?

"watch this bro 2 pl8 ohp"
>only moves the weight to his receding hairline

>>38813998
Bitch opinion
>>38815371
Hahaha, yeah so many oly lifters with blown out kneecaps, i am sure your yoga faggot numale clients and cardio bunnies had such perfect squat form and always went atg in the smith machine.
>>38816625
>Why isn't anyone asking if OP is doing this retarded powerlifting variation or the superior physically sound and much more natural way to squat
>>38816981
I feel better about my 2 pl8 ATG pause squats now desu

>>38817422

"Although the articular cartilage and meniscus are designed for high compressive loads in the central portion, the effects of high loading on the posterior portions of the medial compartments remains unclear. An increased risk for medial tibiofemoral narrowing has been associated with varus alignment (Sharma et al., 2001). The increased varus moments (increasing loading on the medial compartment of the tibia), high knee flexion (decreasing tibiofemoral contact area), and high posterior and inferior forces found in this study may explain the greater effect of squatting on medial compartment osteoarthritis and the significant relationship between varus moments and osteoarthritis severity (Zhang et al., 2004; Sharma et al., 1998; Cooper et al., 1994; Anderson & Felson, 1988). These previous findings, in conjunction with the current study’s results, imply that deep squatting is likely to be the most detrimental high-flexion posture"

>https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/mining/UserFiles/works/pdfs/famot.pdf

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>>38813858
if you're going for simple strength and aren't trying to build muscle, then go ahead and do just to parallel squats, but ATG squats activate more glute and quad muscles

did you even read this study? none of the researchers know even the most basic yoga moves.

Ass to grass tends to imply proper function of your posterior chain, bottom stability comes largely from the glute and hammies

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>>38813902
>I can squat more weight when I don't do a full rep

Well then

>>38817298
>anecdotal experience
that only works if you're a medical professional

>>38813858
ATG will fuck up your knees. Breaking parallel is where its at.

Enjoy fucked up lumbars from going ass to grass. If you're limited by your mobility and your back angle has to change to get there (i.e. buttwink), you're just ruining your spine.

Ass to grass should be saved for fronts squats and the extremely mobile.

>>38813858
No.
But people here parrot a single opinion with no arguments to back it.
Especially if you dont have amazing flexibility A2G will completely destroy your lower back and spine.
Breaking parallelis enough for muscle recruitment.
Just dont quarter squat like a faggot

>>38813858
What do if your ankle mobility is shit and you can't hit ass to grass unless you stand like a fucking sumo wrestler?

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>>38813902

Is it okay to only front squat for a while? Switched to home gym and can only squat what I can clean until I get a rack.

I obviously balance hamstrings and glutes with pulls, deads, plus I do a lot of single leg RDL and front rack lunges.

If this is fine, why would I ever want to back squat again?

E.g. why do 325lbs 5x5 back squat vs 275lbs 5x5 front squat?

>>38819519
This right here. Memes aren't worth it to fuck yourself over, mobility restricts us in different ways and there's jack shit you can do about that sometimes. If you can do it without your lower back moving an inch, go ahead it's good for your glutes and hammies. But if you can't, simply don't

>>38815744
It's actually recommended

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How long do you even have to work on mobility before you can ATG without massive buttwink?

I've been stretching a cumulative time of one hour every single day past my pain treshold, and my improvements have been so small that it's making me question is there were any improvements at all.

atg squats are easier for me than parallel, am I doing somehting wrong?

>>38819969
you're relying on the bounce too much then

>>38819820
>How long do you even have to work on mobility before you can ATG without massive buttwink?
how the fuck are we supposed to know it depends on much much you work on your mobility

ankle mobility will fix it the most since going forward with the knees will completely remove the buttwink

It depends

the rule in weightlifting is go as low until your calves touch your hamstrings, since I have long femurs this is almost atg for me

a good example is this romanian weightlifter
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoI7lF2P5ds

>>38819820
>>38820005
>implying buttwink is bad

>>38813858
half squats = half quads

>>38819820
It's okay. I watched a candito video and he said it's okay so now I just ignore it.

>high bar
>dive bomb
>ATG
>get stronk

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>>38813858

If you are low bar squatting, you will only be able to go ass to grass buy flexing your lumbar spine (not good).

Ass-to-grass low bar squat = cat back deadlift

>>38813902
why do u think powerlifters never do full rom and have ridiculously wide stances

>>38814027
It has EVERYTHING to do with proportions.

>>38814027
There's a lanklet in my gym who does juicy ass to grass squats (mirin'), but no one else does because we are stiffer than tree trunks

>>38817298
I wouldn't be surprised if people who hurt their knees going atg didn't keep tension in their legs. Relaxing your legs at the bottom lets you go lower, but at that point you're probably not getting anything out of it other than wearing out your knees for the sake of "lower feggit"

>>38813858
Low-bar: parallel
High-bar: ATG
Front-squat: ATG

>>38813972
Try to modify your form to get a more comfortable squat.
https://youtu.be/Av3LO2GwpAk
Do a little bit of yoga/stretching on your rest days that focuses on your lower body to improve flexibility and you should be good to go.

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>tfw I go slightly below parallel and there's nothing you can do about it
>Tfw dyel fag loads up his 25lb plate and goes atg
Kek when will the atg crowd learn

Why do I feel like the majority of the ATG-anons in this thread are dyel with a sub 2pl8 squat?

>>38821411
Because they are? Have you ever seen an atg autist doing anything beyond lol1pl8

>>38817566
human language pls
atg causes the most severe fuckupitis?

I literally go ass to grass and squat barely 2pl8, maybe I should just go a little below parallel, but I've already taught myself to go ATG so it'll take a while to relearn...

>>38821411
because thats how it is, they have small legs and a big ass because they dont understand what muscle tension is either. i see them all the time at my gym, skinny little kids wiping their anus on the ground with 1pl8

>>38817534
>chats shit about different forms of squatting
>only squats 100kg (yes, I did read the pause bit)
kill yourself

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>>38815622
When you squat only to parallel, all of the weight is in the knees, as the point of direction change is at the knees, not below the hips. This is not the case when you squat ATG. You're retarded.

>>38821899
It depends on the person.

I think a lot of people ITT are confusing '''parallel''' with actually parallel. Squatting to properly parallel isn't any harder on the knees than going ATG

>>38821899
this is not true.

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Is this deep enough?

>>38822045
0/10 form. He gon fall over with weight on his back

I go ass to grass with one legged squats. Holding a 20 kg plate makes shit serious

Easy:

Have flat shoes and you have naturally less flexibility in your legs and hips? Stop at parallel.

Have lifting shoes with heels? Drop to the grass.

Lifting ATG without the flexibility required to do so will leave you in a unflexed position once you reach the bottom of the squat, which is very dangerous during heavy squats.

>>38815668
Its a signal that you're ready

>>38822377
>flexible
this is partly true, but also related to hip structure, not everyone has chinese or slavic style shallow hip joints

Some people will never properly squat ATG safely

I was doing A2G high bar squats and like a retard I did 90% of my max for my 5x5 workset. My form was fine, but around the end of my third set i had a dull pain in my left quad's tendon in the corner of my groin. I ignored it and finished my last two sets and it didn't feel too difficult, but at the end of the day the dull pain had gotten worse in my left and had had also affected my right quad.

It seems I strained my quad. The pain went away after a day or two in my right quad, but the pain has persisted only when deep squatting in my left quad. The pain is almost gone and i've kept off it completely since the injury, but does anyone know what could have caused this? Did I simply put on too much weight for too many reps? Is A2G bad for me?

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https://youtu.be/MXzsw5y2E2I

If you don't go this low say goodbye to your knees brehs

Follow up question. Is it ok if my stance is kind of wide while doing squats? I can't do much weight with shoulder width stance

>>38813858
ATG means your ass actually touching the floor.
If there's no contact it isn't ATG.

>>38822536
>not controlling the weight throughout the whole squat, especially at the bottom

Seems like you dont like your knees as well.

>>38822536
There's still space between ass and grass there.

>>38822583
Depends on how high you cut you're grass m8. Idk about you but my gym mows it on a 4 so I would still be A2G in this gym

>>38822665
THAT THERE IS SOME HIGH GRASS

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>>38822665
Retarded people never get trips you know

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>>38822773
To hell with your rules!

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>>38822536
>"throwing" the weight around
>not pulling/pushing
>bouncing

>>38822773
I'm retarded and I just got trips

>>38822536
Everytime you squad like that you make Pyrro Dimas cry.
Please stop it.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLVJTBZtiuw

>>38822915
RIP

>>38822915
cringe
hows that 2pl8 coming along?

>>38819547
what this wise anon said, stupid sheep read atg, sumo is for homos, no mixed grip, no belts and the just continue to spew their internet knowledge without understanding wtf they are talking about

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Rate my form niggas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DODDQBNbrmA

>>38821832
>small legs and a big ass because they dont understand what muscle tension is either

Shit. This is me. What is muscle tension in this respect?! What am I doing wrong?

>>38819731
Yes front squats are superior anyways

>>38822045
>No squat plug
Why even try?
Lightweight spoopy c'mon!

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>>38813858
YOU STUPID FUCKS CANT EVEN AGREE ON THE MOST BASIC FORM OF THE SQUAT.

WORST ADVICE BOARD EVER.
>NOT COMING BACK

>>38825727
>/fit/
>advice board

fuck my sides

>parallel vs atg
huh?

>>38813858
Ass to Grass, especially as you go heavy, puts an unnatural and dangerous amount of pressure on your lumbar spine

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LOW BAR = PARALLEL
HIGH BAR/FRONT SQUAT = ASS TO GRASS

>>38825614
Kyle? Kevan?

>>38827059

dat wrist and shoulder mobility

>>38814027
Being 6'4" with balanced proportions is different than being 5'11" with femur length that would be normal for a 6'4" guy with balanced proportions. It can make a pretty big difference.

>>38821899
The differentiating factor is when you hit the apex of your hamstrings stretch cycle. That can be at different heights for each person. Stop pretending form is a one size fits all.

Most of you retards who squat ATG have massive buttwink when you do it. Stop lying to yourself.

>>38814144
Are those high heals?