Well, why aren't you vegan yet?

>>38793638
>citation needed

>>38793656

https://youtu.be/30gEiweaAVQ

Watch the first 10 min.

did you just assume my diet

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>>38793668
>implying I want to look like this when i'm 44.

>>38793638
>Carb the fuck up

t. freelee

Nowonder vegans bleed easily

I plan on climbing mount Everest.

>>38793696

By your logic everyone in this board looks like arnold.

Which is clearly not the case.

You should be looking at the information given to you, not the person who is giving you the information.

>>38793638
Because I like meat

>>38793731

Well i like heroin but im not using it.

>>38793771
>meat is just like heroine

Imbecil

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Beautiful vegan food. See, it looks no different to """""regular""""" food and just as many calories, micronutrients and proteins as you choose.

>>38793724
this dude looks like a balding, hairy-armed trappy

he has been repeatedly called out for only using the research that supports his arguments and never talking about valid research that disproves some of his claims.

sure a plant-based diet is going to be healthier in the long run, but vegans run into several issues where they have to supplement several vitamins to stay even remotely healthy.

being an extremist on either front is fucking retarded and leads to health issues.

most people would do well to cut a good portion of meat from their diet and supplement with more vegetable proteins like rice and beans and nuts, sure.

pure veganism is just as retarded a full carnivore for humans.

i mean, there have been several cases where vegan mothers have killed their babies with their own breastmilk because the baby couldn't get enough essential micros and macros.

come on now.

>>38793771
U can confirm u like/have tried heroin?

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>>38793796

People have this false idea that being vegan means eating just salads when it couldn't be further from the truth.

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>>38793812

>>38793638
It's obvious that not every meat eater eats healthy. The amount of time it takes to build plaque like that is a combination of a verry poor diet for a long time. It can be achieved with or without meat. I work at the cardiovascular wing of a hospital. Im a physical therapist. I've treated vegans before. How do i know they are vegan ? Because the meme is true. They tell you every 5 seconds. They complain about hospital food. Ive seen 2 roiders that have fucked up their heart in 4 years at that hospital. Shit was kinda sad cus i was mirin, no homo.

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>>38793848

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>>38793865

how does dr. greger look 30 years older than he actually is?

he's gonna die at 50.

rip

>>38793802

I dont think there is a human on this planet who does not like heroin.

>>38793789

Its not like heroin but it is harmfull.

Just like heroin is harmfull.

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>>38793878

>>38793883
*harmful

>>38793883
Who gives a shit, bitch boyo

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>>38793801

The only supplement vegans have to take is b12, just like every other human living in a first world country.

If those babys died the mothers did not eat right, the moms might have been able to handle it but the weaker babys couldnt.

Its stupid to blame this in veganism.

>>38793880
>implying he hasn't reached his final form and will continue looking like this until he croaks at 100

>>38793896

You are right, im sorry English is not my first language.

Thanks for correcting me.

>>38793638

So stupid I spat out my first sip

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>>38793878
>vegan chocolate cake

ok this is the only one that actually pisses me off, how the fuck are you going to make something like this without eggs or milk? enjoy your shitty cocoa bread, m8

>vegans only arguments are false equivalences and appeals to emotion

What a fucking awful ideology.

>>38793905
but... it was veganism.

it was literally the lack of nutrients to transfer through breast milk caused by the mothers vegan diet that killed that baby.

they starved their own baby with their piss-thin vegan skim milk

>If those babys died the mothers did not eat right

you are absolutely correct.

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>>38793926

It actually tastes better than regular chocolate cake.

>>38793638
i prefer to get my education on cardiovascular biology from university instead of pseudoscientific proselytizing material

>>38793905
>babies dying due to veganism is no argument against veganism
thats a new level of insane cult mentality right there.

>>38793934

Here are some arguments for veganism:

Its better for you long term health.

Its way better for the environment.


Did you see how I did not apeal to emotion there?

>>38793946

What I am trying to say is the following:

The moms did not take into acount the extra nutrients they needed to aquire in order to give the baby all it needs.

You can raise babys on a strictly vegan diet, these moms just did not do it correctly.

>>38793961
>way better for environment
This is actually an appeal to emotion, bcause it implies that a single or even thousands of vegans have any impact on environmental factors. They don't.

>health effects
You can eat meat and live just as long and be just as healthy. It's about lifestyle as a whole, not a single piece of your diet.

Veganism has no argument other than "it feels good"

>>38793946

Just like with non-vegans, there are just as many pants on head retarded vegans who don't follow proper nutritional guidelines. Millions of vegan mothers give birth to healthy children all over the world from India to The Netherlands. One idiot doesn't represent the majority.

I feel about her the same way I feel about people who don't vaccinate their kids or those who don't take their kids to the doctor when they are sick because their religion forbids it.

>>38793883
>heroin is harmful
Citation needed

>>38793948
no it doesn't. you never even tasted it, did you?

>>38793961
both arguments are factually wrong though.

>>38793977
>You can raise babys on a strictly vegan diet
All of their functions are stunted.

Growth, brain function, learning, all stunted.

If I want a child that is still in kindergarten at 7 I'll just drop em a couple of times instead.

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>>38793948

>>38793977
>You can raise babys on a strictly vegan diet, these moms just did not do it correctly.
so what you're saying is that a vegan diet, when done 'wrong' as in the vegan not knowing enough about nutrition, can potentially kill their baby.
And you think it's okay then to just generally tell people to "go vegan" without even thinking about educating them about nutrition so they won't get sick or starve their babies with their frail milk? Get fucked, asshole.

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>>38793993

You wouldn't even know it was vegan if I gave you a slice and didn't say anything.

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>not injecting heroin to flush out the meat-gunk in your veins

Not sure what planet everyone else is living on

>>38794024
i mean, it's true, opium derived from poppies is vegan and therefor heart-healthy and an important part of every plant-based diet.

>>38793638
I'm not a faggot.

>>38794021
I was vegan for three years, asshole. All those 'vegan replacements' for real food tasted like sand. I also became frail as fuck and lost about 20 kg. Now at least I can tell everyone who tells me to go vegan to get fucked because I tried it and I'm never going to fall for that shit again.

>>38793802
Not the dude you're responding to but I like dilaudid. You holding, bby?

>>38793638
Because a vegan diet has absolutely no health benefit over a balanced diet that includes meat.

Any study that ever came to opposite results compared a vegan diet to a loaded, shitty and inconsiderate meat-including diet.

This isn't super complex and we don't need thousand threads to discuss this.
Litterally every doctor that spends his life analyzing blood tests and health issues of their clients knows that you meat is not unhealthy if consumed in reasonable amounts.

Vegans have not a single argument when it comes to health. If they run their diets in a retarded manner, their diet is just as unhealthy as a diet including meat, also ran retardedly.

What they do have is a moral point. Yes, it's morally superior, indeed.

>>38794021
>vegan
>didn't say anything
Does not compute

Animals eat other animals, we're animals. Therefore we should eat other animals, it's our nature

>>38794083
that-happened.jpg

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>>38794100
>morally superior

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Have you ever notice that a lot of vegans who say being a vegan is the best, look like absolute shit?

I mean only a small percent of vegans look good. The rest look like skelly auschwitz survivors and lard asses.

>>38793992

Lol

>>38794002

Any sources on this wild claim?

All human needs can be met on a vegan diet.

Why is everyone so violently opposed to this?

>>38794016

How many babys are fed wrong on omnivore diets?

Just because some people are fucking retarded does not mean the whole world has to adjust to their retardedness.

>>38794100

But eating animal products inflames your arteries.

How is this not unhealthy?

hey i have a question for you vegans

i know a lot of you like to reverse eat semen (an animal product) by having it ejected into your anal cavity

how do you consolidate this with your vegan lifestyle?

>>38794267
Any doctor that doesn't specialize in homeopathy can tell you that's bullshit.

>>38794312

Lol gr8 banter m8 real good great stuff

>>38794285
It's absolutely meaningless in a a balanced diet.

>>38793796
also costs 1000000000000000000000000x more so not really an option

>>38794285
For people who don't count their calories.

read the sticky

>>38793796
It looks like a turd sandwich.

>>38794285
>But eating animal products inflames your arteries.

Some source on that?

>>38794536

First 10 minutes
https://youtu.be/30gEiweaAVQ

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>>38793961

> Its way better for the environment
Do you even know how vegetables are treated in US? My favorite pesticide is the neonicotinoids formulas : it literally kill bees. Just like in china, you'll need to pollinate your plants with pencil, because all bees will die. Enjoy your "environment friendly".

> Its better for you long term health.
Oh and i heard that you eat all your vegetables with their skin, because all the vitamins you need is here? What a coincidence! It's also here that remained pesticide is concentrated!
And yes i didn't talked about all the pesticides forbidden in other countries but USA.

>>38793801
>he has been repeatedly called out for only using the research that supports his arguments and never talking about valid research that disproves some of his claims

source?

>>38793638
just because

>>38793638
The problem is that the arteries in the meat eaters brains are clocked as well. Therefore their brains are not able to get enough oxygen to understand the benefits of a plant based diet

>>38794791
>brains are clocked
yes, I run at a minimum of 20% OC.

>>38794482
Vegetables aren't expensive. I picked up two weeks worth of vegetables for 27$.
8$ because I bought two boxes of strawberries, 3 regular avocado, 2 organic avocado, 20 apples, and an extra bag of spinach.

Shit I so easy to find and you'll usually see it in bulk. Avoid "super" markets.

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>>38794597
>Mail submitted questionnaires
>Egg mc muffin=every other meat product
>Cholesterol is the only factor in atherosclerotic plaque formation

Many implications were implicated in the first 6 minutes.
Presentations where the goal of the lecturer is to convince the audience instead of examining the matter at hand make me mad af too.

There are several studies showing no link between cholesterol intake and changes in plasma lipid profiles for the average person, you can look those up too.
Studies aren't the absolute truth.

>>38793720
Kek

>>38794677

Do you know what they do to animals?

Do you know what they do to the animal food?


Eating vegan is clearly superior here.

You act like meat is the only safe thing to eat.

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>>38793993
>factually wrong
:^)

>>38793668
This guy is known in the scientific community to be an idiot.

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>>38794846
I do and I do not give the smallest of the fucks

Do you know how Congolese children are treated to extract coltan?
And yet you use electronics, don't you?

You and your high horse can go suck a meaty dick

>>38793977
Dude, in some western countries, forcing a child to go on a strict vegan diet is considered child abuse.

The fuck is with people trying to force people to go on a vegan diet?

>>38793978
It's also for older people who've ruined their bodies with years of shit eating and terrible lifestyle choices. They have no choice but to go vegan because they've fucked themselves up so badly.

>>38794827
>There are several studies showing no link between cholesterol intake and changes in plasma lipid profiles for the average person

Studies on the "average person" that has an way too high cholestero level to start with.... many of the studies that do not show a link between cholesterol intake and actual LDL cholestorol levels are short-time studies with a low number of participants. Why won't you just post a large-scale study that shows what you said if there are that many?

>>38793859
truth that's getting buried behind vegan shitposting and /fit/izens falling for the bait

the initial stage of atherosclerosis involves the buildup of fatty plaque in arteries, and occurs INDEPENDENT OF DIET as a product of aging. I can't find very much research on how exactly it comes about, although I hazard it has to do with minor foam cell buildup as a result of dietary lipids

source: grad student in physiology, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_streak

> Almost all children older than 10 in developed countries have fatty streaks, with coronary fatty streaks beginning in adolescence.[2]

>>38795368
then why dont vegans get it

>>38795440
CITATION PLS

>>38794083
>I also became frail as fuck and lost about 20 kg

Good for you fatty

>>38795440
"As you can see in the video, the average thickness of endurance runners’ carotid arteries is between that of sedentary vegans and omnivores. It appears that if we run an average of about a thousand miles every year we can rival some couch potato vegans. But that doesn’t mean we can’t do both"
http://nutritionfacts.org/2014/12/16/comparing-vegans-arteries-to-runners/

>>38794807
That amount doesn't last 4 days.

>>38794846
that's a mighty high horse you got there

I suppose you don't buy Nike shoes or Smartphones either, then?
I suppose you aren't going to buy a engagement ring for your SO?
I suppose you are posting this from the public library's computer, right?

I suppose you are better than me :^)

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>>38795230
Just UUUU bby

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3900007/

>>38794274
And those babies don't die by diet. They die by being shaken or sat on.

>>38795553
The amount I listed is a portion of what I bought in terms of vegetables. I also got carrots, celery, broccoli, leek, among other foods.
Also have a few cans of beans that were on special, rice, and chicken.

Vegetables are like 80% of my diet.

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If vegan food is god tier, why do you people try and replicate non vegan foods?

>>38795550
>Not all studies showed vegans have superior arterial form and function.

So......he's cherry picking.

Got it.

>>38795230
If we are gonna play the "ur studies a shite" game, the presentation you posted is a goldmine.

>>38795230
And by "average person" I meant not hyperresponsive to cholesterol
You absolute wanker

>>38793638
vegans don't inject semen in their butts for max testosterone levels

>>38794228
Tell me, how many carnists represented American men in weightlifting at Rio?

>>38794482
>rice and beans are more expensive than chicken
u wot?

>>38795121
>Citation needed

>>38794885
No he is not.

I'd be more open to Veganism if everyone who practiced it didn't talk like a cultist.

>>38795613
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3900007/
Dude, did you even read the study? They only reviewed studies with a low number of participants (11-91) and only for a short period (4-12 weks). That does not say a lot about the long term effect of dietary cholesterol on LDL nad HDL levles.

>>38795867
Italy and Germany are in the process of making it illegal to force children to do a vegan diet.

The later?
It's true.

>>38793638
no thanks, I don't want to be malnourished.

>>38795966
It's allowed to feed your child nothing but greasy cheeseburgers and bottles of soda but it's illegal to cut out animal products (that should be eaten in small amounts anyway). Hoe does that make sense?

>>38795966
I heard that from Italy. I am pretty sure that this is not happening in Germany, I would like to know where you read that.

Nevertheless, it does not prove that a vegan diet is not suitable for children. There are plenty of laws that are pointless. That is just a shitty argument.
Most people don't like vegans because many of them call others killers and whatever. SO they read this newspaper article that reports of a vegan child dying. Therefore they want to prohibit vegan diets for children.

>>38796022
veganism kills faster than obesity

>>38795933
They reviewed every study available you dum-dum. They explain the methodology there.

Blood lipids can change quite a bit in 12 weeks, and the low amount of participants is a practicality thing.
You can't control the diet of 3000 people without a huge fund and recurring to self report is asking for being lied to.

Those studies aren't supposed to reveal absolute truth, but they certainly show a trend.
Believe whatever you want m8.

Can you post some studies showing the contrary?

>>38795966
>force children to do a vegan diet

So parents are "forcing" their children to have a vegan diet?
Are parents that give their children meat forcing them to do a meat-eating diet????

>>38796045
It doesn't. Vegans on average live just as long as non-vegans.

>>38793668
>You too can be a saggy old geezer like me
Live like a hero die like a champion

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>>38796069
I'm forcing my MEATY dick into your parents

>>38796076
well....except for all the dead babies.

>>38796069
Yes.
Some children will naturally gravitate towards certain foods that parents think is unhealthy and they will have to talk to them or simply force them to eat what they think is healthy.

How else do you think it happens? Is it the wording which you don't like? Cause that doesn't change the reality of the situation.

>>38796063
I know that they will not reveal absolute truth but they did not even control the diet in most studies. They just told people to follow certain guidlines. That does not mean that they actually followed the diets. This is a pitfall in most nutrition studies.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.549.6029&rep=rep1&type=pdf
They showed a clear link between cholsterol intake and blood cholsterol levels

>>38795661
Cause by all means, that shit tastes good to most people, it's just that taste isn't a good reason to eat crap, Coke tastes great for example.

>>38796180
So every diet is forced on children. That is what you want to say? Because there is no logical reason that a vegan diet is more forced than any other diet...

>>38794898
What an edgy memelord: "why bother doing anything to change the world for the better when there will always be more things to do" hurr-fucking-durr

>>38796243
YES ALL DIETS ARE FORCED ON CHILDREN
IF THEY ARE NOT THEY WILL JUST EAT TASTY SHIT ALL DAY
WHICH IS THE MAIN REASON WHY SO MANY GROWN FUCKING ADULTS EAT ABSOLUTE TRASH AND ARE DYING RIGHT NOW

They are forcing their children to do a for them an unhealthy diet choice. Vegan diets have been proven to be a bad choice for developing bodies.

Ever seen those pictures of the obese lard asses forcing their children to drink soda or eat trash food? Exactly.

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>Pics with no sauce

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>eating vegan is literally so unnatural it kills your child
>the child literally dies
>vegans will defend this

>was vegetarian for over a decade
>started lifting while still vegetarian
>gains improved monumentally since eating meat
gotta eat muscle to be muscle

>>38796339
>Vegan diets have been proven to be a bad choice for developing bodies.

Says who? The American dietery association says that well-planed vegan diets are appropriate for everyone!

>Ever seen those pictures of the obese lard asses forcing their children to drink soda or eat trash food? Exactly.

Ever seen a family with fat parents and children just as fat as them? Of course they are not forcing them to drink soda, but if a 5 year old gets sweet stuff or water they sure pick the soda. It is the responsibilty of the parents to limit that shit

>>38793724

>by your logic

Ugh. Care to demonstrate? Demarcate your steps with numerals.

>>38794702
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Greger

>Retired physician Harriet A. Hall, who is known for applying critical thinking to health claims,[21][22][23] has written that while it is well accepted that it is more healthy to eat a plant-based diet than a western pattern diet, Greger often overstates the known benefits of such a diet as well as the harm caused by eating animal products (for example, in a talk he claimed that a single meal rich in animal products can "cripple" one's arteries), and he sometimes does not discuss evidence that contradicts his strong claims.[18]

>>38795843
tell me, where did your magical vegan man place?

>>38796220
>>38796220
>>>38795661
>Coke tastes great for example.
Fatty detected

>>38796339
>WHICH IS THE MAIN REASON WHY SO MANY GROWN FUCKING ADULTS EAT ABSOLUTE TRASH AND ARE DYING RIGHT NOW

i mean to be fair all of the grown fucking adults are dying anyway

good luck avoiding that, vegan memester

>>38793948
You keep on trying to convince yourself of that, don't you?

>>38794130
t. appeal to nature fallacy

>>38796585
Why is it unethical to eat animals?

>>38796612
Is unethical to faggots, like eating pussy

>>38794083
interesting, vegan for one year and in the best shape of my life.
You had no idea what to eat buddy. If you think vegans only eat vegan replacement products like soy sausages you're deluded.
Beans, lentils, defattened soya flour, chickpeas, tofu, all other veggies and spices, lots of oats.
You had no idea what to eat.

>>38796612
Because they are sentient forms of life and have their own families and lives. Try hanging out with more animals and you'd notice how they can show love and compassion for their close ones.
>inb4 morality is subjective
It's a matter of different perspectives, if you think slaughtering animals is a positive thing to do, go on, let your stomach be a graveyard.

>>38796565
Look fast food shill, I hate vegan diets. I think they're bandaid for people who ate shit their entire lives and is the health equivalent of going to church and confessing your sins after a lifetime of theft rape and murder.
I also stand by the fact that a pure vegan diet is very harmful for growing babies children and growing bodies.
A healthy balanced diet is better.

>>38796408
>Says who? The American dietery association says that well-planed vegan diets are appropriate for everyone!
The numerous dead babies for one, and the fact that not even in india the veggie captial of the world do women go full vegan while pregnant or nursing.
Nor in fucking china.
It's a diet that can only exist in first world nations and only if they are fairly wealthy.

>Ever seen a family with fat parents and children just as fat as them? Of course they are not forcing them to drink soda, but if a 5 year old gets sweet stuff or water they sure pick the soda. It is the responsibilty of the parents to limit that shit

I've personally fucking seen fat parents forcing their children to drink sugar water and soda. We've had multiple fucking threads on this board alone about parents trying to force their adolescent children to eat trash food and get or stay fat.
The bullshit responsibility of the parent argument that shills of unhealthy trash and lifestyle choices use does not work in this argument you stupid fucking bastard.
Because the people pushing those negative choices and trash ARE the parents and guardians.

>>38796661
I'm not a fast food shill, I'm going to have kids soon and those faggots are going to eat well balanced home cooked meals.

I eat fast food maybe once a month and never willingly.

>>38796651
We destroy, burn down, ruin the land they can use as their homes and kill the inconvenient and un "disney friendly" life that would deprive you of your healthy oft genetically engineered vegan foods.

Also plants can feel pain. That smell that comes from a freshly picked rose? It's their agonized death scream.

>>38796661
>numerous dead babies

Now you're reaching. There's statistically thousands more dead babies from people who are non-vegan.

>Being vegan is a choice

Not according to literally every left wing opinion. You're either born vegan or you arent comfortable with your dietary preference and reassign yourself as you feel inside.

Or am I making the mistake theres any difference between being gay and vegan?

>>38796701
not from diet though lol

I'm actually planning on replacing all meat in my diet with a micture of lentils, black- and broadbeans. If I would eat a enough ground meat to get 30ish grams of proteins I would have to eat about 400grams of beans. I checked their amino acid profiles and to my surprise beans had actually more essential aminos save for methionine. I'm not going full retard though so I'll get it from eggs and dairy (I eat four eggs and 500g of quark a day) which also solves getting dat B12. I'm also gonna add some oil to my beanpaste because they are nonfat. Which oil is best for this?

Granted my beanpaste will propably taste like shit but I'm transforming my diet into a simpler, more easily maintained one.

>>38796745
Veganism causes gayness.

>>38793905
>The only supplement vegans have to take is b12

What about the fatty acids?

>>38795843
Farris performed far worse this time aroun than he ever did before going vegan.

Also do you honestly think any of the medalists were vegan? Really?

>>38796651
Why is it that any argument for veganism always boils down to morality? Instead of posting skewed studies, anecdotal evidence, and agenda pushing shills, just come out and say "I like being vegan because it helps me feel morally superior". That way vegans won't need to be btfo with evidence, and normal people don't have to be pestered by vegans shouting "think of the animals". Win/Win for everyone.

It has nothing to do with "feeling morally superior". It's pure logic.

P=proposition
C=conclusion

P1- Humans are of moral value.

P2-There is no trait absent in animal which if absent in humans would cause us to deem ourselves valueless.

C- Therefore without establishing the absence of such a trait in animals, we contradict ourselves by deeming animals valueless.

Name the trait or agree that animals are of moral value.

P1- Animals are of moral value.

P2- There is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to consider anything short of non-exploitation to be an adequate expression of respect for human moral value.

C- Therefore without establishing the absence of such a trait in animals, we contradict ourselves by considering anything short of non-exploitation(veganism) to be an adequate expression of respect for animal moral value.

Name the trait or agree that non-exploitation(veganism) is the only moral option.

>>38796793
You mean omega-3s? You can eat preformed DHA/EPA from algea, where the fish get theirs in the first place but your body can makes it's own from ALA, plant omega-3, present in most plant foods but seeds like flax and nuts like walnuts stand out as excellent sources. There is no evidence that suggests vegans have adverse effects from not consuming preformed DHA/EPA but I do personally supplement with it for the same reason a meat eaters would, and often does. It is not in anyway something vegans have to do though and algea based supplements are healthier than fish based ones because they are pcb and mercury free.

>>38797037

Thats a very well presented and intelligently formatted argument, I agree push pull is more of an intermediate routine and that doing hypertrophy during initial phases of bodybuilding is more valuable to the average person than a traditional strength training routine.

>>38797217

Interesting are you saying >>38797037 isnt vaiable as an alternative to 5x5 or SL? i've been working on muscle definition and its a lot easier to complete a semi intense session of 5x5 and rest after than a consistent schedule of push pull legs.

Maybe someone should offer up a reformatted routine combining P1 C2 and condense that 5 day schedule to a 4 day?

>>38797037
This is shitty correlation=causation logic. Go fuck yourself

>>38793771
To be totaly fair heroin is good for the cholesterol

>>38797037
>P2-There is no trait absent in animal which if absent in humans would cause us to deem ourselves valueless.

Being homo sapien

QED faggot

>>38793705
False, actual vegens who eat lots of vegis and get enough vit k, their blood clots pretty much instantly.

>>38796339
A strict vegan diet kills your child.

Every non vegan diet isn't strictly McDonalds.

Just be vegan, it's like being a faggot, only gayer. Stop trying to defend it.

>>38797336

is heroin vegan?

>>38796508
The crippling effect has been proven... It's not up for debate, she(Harriet A. Hall) just isn't caught up with the science like Dr.greger is. He literally goes through every english language journal in the world, each year. Something like 13,000 studies(if my memory serves me right)
are published each year.

Some proof of the crippling effect:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002914996007606

http://atvb.ahajournals.org/content/atvbaha/25/2/406.full.pdf

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/4/923.abstract

https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2891-12-93

>>38793638
Because I don't particularly want to live a very long time Tbh

>>38797312
Not even close, it's logic in it's purest form. Couldn't your cognitive dissonance handle it?

>>38797217
>>38797254
Would maybe be funny if I didn't write the meaning in the top.

>>38797037
>Humans are of moral value
Where does this moral value steem from?
The fact that we are alive?
From being sentient beings? Or being capable of rational thinking? Or being conscious?

Define moral value before basing your reasoning in it.

Why boicott animal exploitation while turning your back to human exploitation?

>>38797372
I see you couldn't understand the post because what you are basically saying is that even if you weren't a human but belonged to another humanoid species or was another animal of equal intellect you would deem yourself valueless on the basis that you weren't a homo sapien. I fucking doubt it, you are not just supposed to present a difference, fucking moron, you need to present the the trait they lack that if you lacked the same trait it would cause you to concider yourself valueless.

>>38793638
proof??? nice b8 m8 btw

>>38793801

>he has been repeatedly called out for only using the research that supports his arguments and never talking about valid research that disproves some of his claims.

This is unfair to say though. It's based on one blog post written by Harriet Hall, where she assumed he ignored things like the health of inuit people who eat mainly meat, because she saw one video he gave where inuit people (of all the things to talk about in a speech about public health) weren't mentioned, ignoring that he has thousands of videos on his website, many of them investing claims that contradict his beliefs, including inuit people.

Here's some examples

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/omega-3s-and-the-eskimo-fish-tale/ ("Inuit people are healthy" claim)
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-explains-the-french-paradox/ ("French Paradox" explained)
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/eggs-and-arterial-function/ ("Some research shows eggs are good for you" claim)
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-set-up-to-fail/ ("New studies show saturated fat isn't unhealthy" claim)
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/bold-indeed-beef-lowers-cholesterol/ ("A diet that includes lean beef can help lower cholesterol" claim)

His belief is that the best available evidence suggests that plant foods are generally healthier than animal foods, therefore the diet should be centered around them. This is a pretty mainstream belief if you don't look at it as a black and white argument of vegan vs non-vegan.

>>38797037
You do realize that the survival of many species directly depends on their consumption by humans right?

You also realize that deforestation to gain cropland is a thing, right?
How about the poor animals who have to die for your "animal-friendly" food?
And lets not talk about pesticides.
Are the insects eating crops of less worth than the chicken i eat? Why?

>All animals would live happily in the forest with their animal friends who would totally respect their """"""""""""""""moral value"""""""

Are you a 12y.o. girl?

>>38797759
>His belief is that the best available evidence suggests that plant foods are generally healthier than animal foods, therefore the diet should be centered around them. This is a pretty mainstream belief if you don't look at it as a black and white argument of vegan vs non-vegan.

I wasn't denying this, I've been advocating a well rounded diet from the start.

Her argument is mainly that he will use "scary" rhetoric and purposely ignore other studies making his cause seem almost political rather than scientific.

>>38797801

Her argument is basically a bunch of lies. She misrepresents him a lot, making him out to be "the evil vegan man" that she expects the reader will side with her against just out of spite for him.

http://donmatesz.
blogspot.com/2013/02/harriet-halls-critique-of-gregers.html

I don't think i could ever go full vegan. How do you give up milk and eggs when pizza, omelettes and chocolate chip cookies require those ingredients? I might be able to give up meat and become vegetarian. But we're omnivores, just look at our teeth. I think the best diet is paleo

>>38797878

>How do you give up milk and eggs when pizza, omelettes and chocolate chip cookies require those ingredients?

Even omelettes have vegan alternatives these days

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>>38797901
But it's an egg dish if there's no egg it's literally not an omlette

>>38797863
He literally admits to cherry picking here:>>38795550

But believe whomever you want, I don't give a fuck.

>>38794898

What a retarded argument. The existence of evil does not justify more evil. However, meat eating isn't actually evil, so I agree with your conclusion.

In fact I think meat eating is actually morally superior.

>>38797929
It is if you are gay enough

Notice how he avoids posts making a point?
Thats another sign of being a holier than thou gay-ass vegan

>>38797929

TECHNOLOGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsm6fEzW-o0

>>38797972

Where?

>>38797777

The funny thing about people arguing that crop farming is bad is that most grain and soy crops are farmed to feed animals for meat. If you actually gave a shit about any of that, the first thing you would do is cut down on the meat you eat.

>>38797599
>Where does this moral value steem from?

It stems from morality in it's most basic form, accepting that well-being is good. We are capable of well-being thus we have moral value. So yes, the fact that we are sentient. Not a difficult or strange concept really. I think everyone, except maybe some psychopaths, think humans have moral value.

Do you not think humans have moral value, you don't believe in morality and ethics?

>Why boicott animal exploitation while turning your back to human exploitation?

Who says those are the only alternatives, why not boycott both?

>>38797996
Very bottom of his article:
>Not all studies showed vegans have superior arterial form and function.

Which means he used ones that did to further his agenda, and chalks the ones that don't up to: No true vegan.

cherry picking

Just like he does for milk and bones. And omega 3s. And okinawa diet.
But those are the only ones I have ever bothered to read.

>>38798024
To quoque

People saying that aren't the ones proposing moral value to animals. You are.

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>>38794228
more hodgetwins reaction images

>>38797037

Both P2s are false.

Second P1 is dishonest.

>>38797539
*Every english language journal-on nutrition-, I ment to say.

>>38798073

Full quote

>Not all studies showed vegans have superior arterial form and function. Find out why in my video Vitamin B12 Necessary for Arterial Health.

So he used a study where the vegans presumably weren't B12 deficient, equal with the meat eaters, making for a more fair comparison. You're saying he cherry picked because he didn't cherry pick a study you wanted, that used incomparible data.

>>38798108
>Both P2s are false.
Name the trait that is absent in animals that if absent in you would cause you to give up your right to non exploitation and deem yourself vaueless.

>Second P1 is dishonest.

How?

>"Vegan diets are nutritionally adequate"

http://www.vegan.com/vitamins/

Besides B12, there are about a dozen other vitamins and minerals, as well as macronutrients, that are strongly recommended to be supplemented because they are not adequately or easily found in a vegan diet.

Veganism is the ultimate form of Western privilege, as it relies so heavily on supplementation and fortified foods. Physically, without our modern conveniences, it is biologically impossible to be vegan and healthy.

>>38798125
If there are enough vegans which are b12 deficient to alter the results of multiple studies, in what fucking world would you consider it logically accurate to remove them from the comparison of normal people's arteries to vegan arteries?

He is saying they "aren't true vegans", do I need to expand how that is cherry picking or do you have enough residual DHA to figure it out?

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>>38793687 #
#triggered

>>38797978
That's just substituting eggs in processed foods though, where eggs are really just used as an emulsifier or a binder etc. Eggs are the main ingredient in omelettes though. There's nothing you could replace an egg with in an omelette that will still make an omelette.

>>38798090

>misusing fallacies

If the criticism of the diet is that crop farming has some negative aspects, therefore we should feel comfortable doing something even more damaging, that's a nirvana fallacy.

>>38797418
because they're so full of shit.

>>38798167
What is the purpose of comparing a nutritionally inadequate vegan diet with a nutritionally adequate omnivorous diet? Wouldn't give you any valuable date about the vegan diet other than the fact they should supplement b12.

>>38798151

The second P1 implies all things are of equal moral value. Same goes for the first P1. You need to demonstrate that humans and animals are of the same moral value, not simply state that they have moral value.

In fact, the same could be said of your first P2; it's dishonest. What makes you think only differences of nature matter? Differences of degrees are extremely important too.

Traits: Free will, Intelligence, possibility for morality, possibility of abstraction, legitimate sentience, ability to make aesthetic judgments.

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>>38793720
kek

>>38798167

>If there are enough vegans which are b12 deficient to alter the results of multiple studies, in what fucking world would you consider it logically accurate to remove them from the comparison of normal people's arteries to vegan arteries?

It's only certain populations where this has happened

Here's the follow-up video

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/vitamin-b12-necessary-for-arterial-health/

As one of the studies say, " The negative findings of these studies should not be considered as evidence of neutral cardiovascular effects of vegetarianism, but do indicate an urgent need for modification of vegan diets through vitamin B12 fortification or supplements"

>>38793926
Vegan deserts are actually really good.

I had vegan brie the other day and it tasted amazing (I know brie isn't a desert)

>>38798212
But it's not more damaging.
You see, if people go full vegan they will be more likely to eat foods that are filled with shitty corn based sugars and the like.
It's just going to happen.
This will drive production of said things up.

The satiety that meat brought will be gone and replaced with hunger brought about by horrible food choices and the gnawing unconscious need to eat a food source that will replace the lack of minierals and vitamins they are getting.

The amount of land being used for cows will instead replaced with an easily produced factory plant and FULL VEGAN choice meal type substance.

>>38793638
Someone shop some crazy shit into this

>>38798259
>nutritionally inadequate vegan diet
implying

Oh, so if you picked best case scenario vegans (which do not represent the population as a whole) vs normal people they are more healthy.

Fucking NEETO!

I'd rather die young full of muscle, cholesterol, meat and money then live long miserable, skeletal, and poor.

>>38797901
But do these alternatives taste almost as good or better than the original? Or is it like diet coke compared to regular coke

>>38798347

>But it's not more damaging.

It very much is

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet

>You see, if people go full vegan they will be more likely to eat foods that are filled with shitty corn based sugars and the like.

That's a baseless assumption but also doesn't matter. The amount of corn we already grow to feed cattle and chickens is more than we would ever grow for humans.

>The satiety that meat brought will be gone and replaced with hunger brought about by horrible food choices and the gnawing unconscious need to eat a food source that will replace the lack of minierals and vitamins they are getting.

That sounds scary. Luckily, beans are satiating, nutritious, and environmentally responsible.

>>38793668

Nigger, you just used YouTube as a reference.

Systematic Review or shut the fuck up.

>>38798347
>The amount of land being used for cows will instead replaced with an easily produced factory plant


>I have never farmed nor been to a ranch
>my opinion on farming is valid
pick one

>>38798371

>claim he cherry picked
>he literally talks about data that says other than what he claimed

>if you pick best case scenario vegans
>vs normal people

It put endurance marathan running meat eaters vs sedentary vegans who weren't B12 deficient. How is that unfair to the meat eaters?

>>38797418

You presumably lack the basic biomedical knowledge to realise the implication of your comment is that vegans are stroking out all over the place.

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Its wat is 4 dinner.

>>38798158
>muh b12
you don't need to fucking supplement it unless you are very active. B12 is created by the gut flora and absorbed by the large intestine. No one finds it strange that a literal life threatening bacteria is symbiotically living in our guts? Do you think we don't get benefits from it?
More importantly most the b12 in meat is destroyed when you COOK it

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-how old is fit/?
-for how long you have been lifting? -giving off because of injuries or vacation is irrelevant

http://www.strawpoll.me/11108050
http://www.strawpoll.me/11108112

>>38798445
Because that isn't what the study was doing, nor his article.

It compared vegans or marathon runners to regular people. His claim of "rivaling vegans" was wrong, the two were compared to normal people.

His group of vegans were: who had been on a low-calorie low-protein raw vegan diet for 4.4 +/- 2.8 years.

Does that sound like an accurate representation of vegans to you? When apparently actual vegans have no better artery health than your average joe, according to gregor.

http://www.slideshare.net/ivorcummins/20140309-protein-debacle-simplified-version

>>38798424
Do you grow your own vegetables?
Do you forage for your veggies herbs fruits and nuts?
No?

Then your opinion means nothing. I know farmers and my grandpa was a successful farmer up till he was 100 fucking years old and he ate meat that he hunted and slaugthered every damned day ALONG with natural plants and veg that he grew.

The fuck do you grow and eat?
Not a damned thing.

You'll help contribute too and indirectly exacibrate a fucking problem that's rending massive chunks of the earth uninhabitable and kills millions of life forms every damned year while sitting on a goddamned high horse.

>>38798394
1.You assume people will just eat what you think they should eat on a perfect veggetarian diet.
2.You think a chunk of vegetarians won't just gorge on absolute trash because it's MEAT AND CRUELTY FREE which they are doign right now
3.No one gets most of the fucking corn. And a chunk of that is used in gas and for other products.

They won't stop producing that shit just because there are no more cows being eaten, although we'll probably wipe out 99% of all cows pigs chickens and other factory farmed animals if everyone went vegan tomorrow.

They'll just make VEGETARIAN CHOICE MEALS out of veggies and fuck up more land to grow different vegetables fruits etc etc.

>>38798274
>The second P1 implies all things are of equal moral value.

No it doesn't. It just states that animals are of moral value, that is all. It doesn't quantify or equalize in any way.

>You need to demonstrate that humans and animals are of the same moral value

No I don't. Why would I need to? For example, I don't think a severely mentally handicaped person is of equal moral value to a non severely mentally handicaped person if everything else is equal. They still deserve moral consideration and treatment, and If I was in their situation(or knew I was about to be) that is how I'd want to be treated so thats how I will treat them. Basic morality that applies to animals too. The point at which I'd stop caring about my own well-being would be at loss of sentience since without sentience I can't care about anything at all. Which is why a rabbit is of moral value and a tomato is not. If I knew id me put in the situation of the rabbit I would not be willing to give up my right to non-exploitation, if I was to be put in the situation of the tomato, I would.

>Traits: Free will, Intelligence, possibility for morality, possibility of abstraction, legitimate sentience, ability to make aesthetic judgments.

You don't get it, you are not just supposed to just present a difference, of course if my argument fell by a mere difference I wouldn't make it, you need to present the the trait they lack that if you lacked the same trait it would cause you to concider yourself valueless. Besides, most of the traits you presented are far from unique to humans and most of them are ridicolous to claim they are.

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>>38798350

>>38798666
>Do you grow your own vegetables?
yes
>Do you forage for your veggies herbs fruits and nuts?
Mainly wild mushrooms, and pecans. I hunt and fish though.

>The fuck do you grow and eat?
The majority of my meals

Perhaps your "grandpa" should have taught you the difference between pasture and farmland.

Then you wouldn't say stupid shit on the internet.

>>38798753
Less than 2% of all cows are grazing on pastures and even with the more land efficient grain and legume feeding animal agriculture uses 40% of all non ice covered land on earth.

>>38798830
Source that isn't a vegan website.

FAO.org says you're full of shit.

>>38798753
How many calories do you eat and how much land do you use?

And do you raise cattle on your farm or worked a farm where they do raise cattle? I'm assuming not.

>>38798887
Where are most of the cows that are grown for food kept anon?

>>38793697
>Freelee
God I hate that stupid cunt.

>>38793771
Ironic because sugar is very addictive like crack-cocaine and causes heart disease.

>>38793638
I had bloodwork done a week ago. All values, especially cholesterol, are great and I eat meat on the daily baby please

>>38798901
Majority of my meals come from 15-20 acres (excluding corn which I buy from another family). 1 cow will feed my family of 4 for almost a year. I grow enough in the summer that I can everything and it usually lasts me all year if the season was good.

I do buy specialty items like lettuce or asparagus

Yes, I raise, feedout, and store my own beef. I hire a butcher to process it though.

The point is that none of the land which I do this, would be suitable to farm. I can find enough flat spots to grow a big ass garden to supply my vegetables, but there is no way the pasture could be farmed, nor could the majority of the land the rest of my livestock run on.

>>38793668
I really love well made powerpoints.

>>38797599

It's funny too because rich vegans turn a blind eye to the poor 3rd world workers that are paid pennies to pick their overpriced fruit. Then they cry about freeing a baby pig.

>>38796619
when on a nutritious diet, the body will build up a store of many micronutrients in the liver, fatty tissue, etc. When you become a vegan, the body will start using the micronutrients from those stores and it takes years before the stores are depleted. That's why vegens become chronically ill after several years, not immediately. There are tons of vegan bloggers and youtubers who preached about how amazingly healthy they were on their diet, but had to quit it a few years in because their bodies couldn't take it anymore.
http://healyeatsreal.com/why-i-stopped-being-vegetarian/
http://www.popsugar.com/food/Why-I-Stopped-Being-Vegan-35306835
http://erikaawakening.com/my-break-up-with-veganism-ex-vegan/
http://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1728051
http://alexandrajamieson.com/im-not-vegan-anymore/
https://dellaterrawellness.com/why-i-stopped-being-vegetarian/
http://thewholetara.com/why-im-not-vegan-anymore/

>>38798887
https://cgspace.cgiar.org/bitstream/handle/10568/10601/IssueBrief3.pdf

"Livestock systems occupy 45% of the global surface area " - from the beef industry itself

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>>38799010
>>38798901

and since you won't believe me.

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>>38793865

Anyone got good tofu recipes? I bought the pre-cubed shit and I just drain it. However, it seems so mushy. Got it for 2 dollars though, so it's a steal for protons.

I just stir-fry it. I read online some people dredge it in flour first like you can do with chicken/beef to brown it?

>>38799073

>first link
> I was eating crap and lots of it…even while I was sick. Sugary snacks, candy, pastries, white bread, american cheese, boxed foods, GMO foods, etc.
> I went to see a holistic nutritionist and told her about my problems with excessive eating, sugar cravings and unwieldy hunger issues.
>I learned that it was a sign of blood sugar fluctuations which was also contributing to my hormonal and metabolic issues of mood swings, weight fluctuations and painful PMS.

anecdotes are not valid evidence

>>38799108
Interesting considering 71% of the earth is water.

Cuz I'm not a pussy
>>38793638

>>38799073
Random bloggers lol... Such bs, people love bashing veganism so bloggers love pandering to their audience. People failing while eating a inadequate vegan diet doesn't prove anything.

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>>38799151
Bake it at 400° after coating it in sauce for 15-20 mins before stirfrying it. Dice sized pieces

It's so fucken good

>>38797777
>You do realize that the survival of many species directly depends on their consumption by humans right?
Never being born is better than an existence of suffering.
This applies to poor people and children with terminal diseases too, BTW.

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>>38799254
Look at this bullshit. These cows are living a life of suffering.

>>38799222

I'll give it a try thanks.

Also, roasting chickpeas in the oven with olive oil has been an easy goto. I get 25g of protein and fiber for 450 or so calories. I know you can get the same amount with 4 oz of chicken for 110 calories or so.

>>38794267

>All human needs can be met on a vegan diet. Why is everyone so violently opposed to this?

Because it's not true and people are getting sick of the constant lies of brainwashed Vegan cult members.

>>38795966

If that's true then it's really good news. Someone has to step in and stop these retards when it comes to innocent children. If you child wants to be vegan, or circumcised, or tattooed or Muslim etc then let them decide for themselves when they are old enough to make that decision.

>>38795966
Not true at all lol, one woman in parlament presented the idea. It didn't go any further, the media just sensationalized as per usual.

>>38796069

>Are parents that give their children meat forcing them to do a meat-eating diet????

No you absolute moron. Human beings are omnivores. When an animal does what it does naturally it doesn't need to be forced. If a parent is giving their child meat they are being a good, caring, responsible parent that wants their offspring to grow healthy and strong and succeed in life. They are following nature.

>>38799519
>Human beings are omnivores
The fact that we get atherosclerosis says otherwise.

>>38799519
>Human beings are omnivore
True omnivores can regulate their cholesterol intake to avoid buildup in their arteries and eat raw meat. Humans can't.

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>>38799519

>Human beings are omnivores

Has nothing to do with what foods are healthy or unhealthy for us. It only means we have the ability to eat all sorts of foods and have been observed to do so.

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>>38793638

my grandgrandma 107 years old.

lets see her diet:
>3 times weekly meat
>2 times fish
>every day cup of red whine
>everyday piece of dark chocolate
>everyday veggies

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>>38800409
anectodal FUCKING CLAIM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>38794791
you're a fucking idiot and you "diet" is really a freak circumstance of scienctific agriculture that made it even possible you fucktard...most plants if eaten WILL kill you. love how whiney vegans are always like "plants this and plants that" when only less than 5 percent of 'wild plants" are even edible....fucking idiots.

>>38800919
>most plants if eaten WILL kill you

>>38793796
Honestly, who the fuck is sitting down to a burger like that? That looks like it's half a foot tall. How the fuck are you going to put that in your mouth? That has always bugged me.

>>38798419
I hope you're not discrediting a medium in attempt to invalid an opinion AND being serious at the same time.

And I'm not defending the opinion, I'm just pointing that stupidity.

Because I dislike eating only vegetables. Been there, done that, didnt like it.
Im not stupid enough to want to live to be old and busted anyways.
Get the fuck back to lifting and stop being a diet obsessed little faggot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLn9oTIAh-k

>>38793638
>meat is bad and kills you
>humanity developed its brain size thanks to the high calorie, protein and animal vitamins meat diet gave them
>humanity and older species survived for millions of years and one ice age eating meat

>wut?

>>38797530
Yup. I'll even bet the poppies heroine is made from are organic/non-GMO

>>38793977
would breast milk count as vegan?

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>>38799567
>>38799619
>>38799920
Retards

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>>38793638
Because vegans can't survive in the jungle

Wrote my senior thesis on industrial farming vs organic farming..

Both are fucking the planet. Industrial farming won't be able to keep up with population in the next 40ish years.

Organic farming is nice, but the acreage to raise milk or beef cattle on grasslands outweighs the amount of milk/beef that can be produced industrially. There simply isn't enough land for everyone to farm 'nicely' or with a purchased USDA Organic cert.

Get ready for technology meat folks.

ps. Tuna fish will also become a thing of the past in the next 15 years.

tldr; Yall aren't looking big picture. Doesn't matter what the diet is, the Earth literally cannot handle food production to offset birthrate and longevity. Fucking idiots.

>>38794791
/thread

>>38803221
>tuna is gone in 15 years
also as a pussy ass vegetarian, i'm down for technomeat

whos to say they wont make techno-tuna though my dude?

>>38796045
Citation needed.

>>38793638
I am

>>38796361
Citation please. I have a child of five years who has been vegan from birth (inb4 muh breastmilk). Bloodtests always fine (inb4 muh B12 muh Iron).

>>38796753
Are you sure?

>>38793638
Because reindeer tastes amazing.
Because salmon is the bomb.
Because eggs are the most perfect food known to man.
Because I'd eat a vegan before quitting meat.

>>38804180
No you don't.

>>38793638
Having "the sugahs" (beetus) is actually what causes atheorisclerosis. Sauce: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080313124430.htm

Dietary fat =/= body fat.

Have fun with your 100% carbs diet, idiot.

>>38804180
That you're killing your own offspring is nothing to boast about on a Cambodian doll parts collecting board.

>>38799356
Is it not true? Been vegan for six years and in the best shape of my life. Blood tests have been done a few months back and all the "vegan deficiencies", ie Iron, B12, Omega-3/6, Calcium were in normal levels. Cholesterol in normal levels. All good, my dude!
The "vegan cult" is just what SJW's and all other memes are: Exaggerated by examples of selected individuals while leaving out the vast majority of proponents of an agenda.
There is life outside the internet.

>>38804285

>Having "the sugahs" (beetus) is actually what causes atheorisclerosis

It's not the root cause, but it increases risk for heart disease just like high blood pressure and smoking do. As with those things, you can be non-diabetic and still develop heart disease.

And if you were going for dietary carbohydrate = diabetes, you should know there's varying quality of carbohydrate-containing foods you can eat, and foods like whole grains, fruits, sweet potatoes, and beans protect against diabetes. Vegetarians and vegans also consistently have lower rates of diabetes, even when controlling for BMI.

>>38804267
Good.

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>>38804300

>>38794677
>Use farmland for livestock
>Use more farmland for vegetables to feed the livestock
>Use pesticides on that excess farmland
>"Veganism is not better for the environment"

And every single one of you missed that.

>>38800954
I've had an albacore fillet sandwich that tall. It was indeed messy. I cut it in half, but I ate it while walking.

>>38804437
So where does the existing livestock go? Do we just kill all the cows? Release them into the wild so they can die there? Vegans are fucking crazy

>>38794267
>B12

>>38801198
Brb gonna make a youtube video to cite as a source to invalidate your words, dont leave the thread.

>>38793638
I am. But not for the stupid bullshit "reasons" most people are. Fuck off

>>38793638
Because I'm neither a woman nor a twink

>>38804285
You can't read properly. It accelerates artherosclerosis, it does not cause it.

>Have fun with your 100% carbs diet, idiot

First of all vegan diets are not 100% carbs, you would have to eat pure sugar all day long to have a 100% carb diet
2. Vegans have the lowest rates of diabetes in the US and vegan diets are the best to reverse diabetes type 2.
3. You really think that diabetes is caused by carbs? Insulin resistance is caused by fats in the cell membrane of the body. Mainly saturated and transfats negativley affect the insulin receptors of the cells. Hence the cell cannot take up the glucose any more and you have a high blood sugar level.

>>38796069

> be me, a meat eater
> go visiting some freinds, a couple of vegans
> because i already tasted their food, i come with some coppa slices
> their child, let's call him C, is on forced vegan diet, like them.
> exactly like those vegan on /fit/ they know what is good for their children
> C never tasted meat in his whole life.
> convince his parent to let him taste, just once.
> whathaveidone.jpg
> C become mad.
> he just want more. But their parent don't let him do, explaining it's very bad.
> i'm forced to throw the copa in the trash, because C become uncontrolable
> continue to discuss, then suddenly hear some sounds in the kitchen
> C has opened the trash can, and eat remained coppa among garbage.
> They never invited me again.

>>38793638
veganism is pretty nice but if you want to eat something tastefull its to expensive

>>38801198
This isn't facebook kiddo. Give us a peer-reviewed study or meta-analysis from a high-impact journal based in Europe or North America with high n, double-blind trials and no conflict of interest.

>>38804589
You can just drink some water from a natural pond or a river. One liter usually contains the daily recommended intake of Vitamin B12, as it is produced by bacteria.
Btw the factory fed animals get B12 supplements as well because they cannot get it in such an unnatural environment

I'll keep eating tuna, i need those proteins and mercury

>>38806329
Source on dirty pond water containg ACTIVE b12 analogues, better yet source on pond water lowering MMA and homocysteine levels in humans

>>38793796
"LE BURGER THAT IS NOT A BURGER"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8

>>38806351
http://www.aslo.org/lo/toc/vol_14/issue_2/0224.pdf
http://www.aslo.org/lo/toc/vol_17/issue_2/0315.pdf

>nature makes humans able to digest both meat and veggies
>go complete against nature by limiting yourself to only veggies which only doesn't kill you because theres 100% artificial chemical pill """supplements""" to work as life support which also puts extra stress on your liver with continous consumption
>hey guise you should all go vegan its good for nature

Fuck is there anything as retarded as vegans?

>>38806583

You can also digest candy and ice cream, it doesn't mean you should eat it.

>>38793796
where does this fucking """"""""""quotation mark""""""""" meme come from?

>>38806329
Retarded vegan fantasy

>>38806699
http://www.aslo.org/lo/toc/vol_14/issue_2/0224.pdf
http://www.aslo.org/lo/toc/vol_17/issue_2/0315.pdf

>Scientifically proven retarded vegan fantasy you retard

>>38793638
Because I believe that something should die so that I may live

>>38806735
RARR FUCKIN STRAWMEN
>TFW it's time to bring out the ol' vegansidekick comics

>>38799619
Actually, went zerocarb and eat nothing but meat for years now. Arteries are in the best shape of my life. But you do you and eat your grass and kill your kids. More for me.

>>38806830
>Actually, went zerocarb and eat nothing but meat for years now. Arteries are in the best shape of my life.

You went to your doctor got your arteries checked? Are you taking vitamin supplements? Because otherwise you will die soon from Scurvy

>>38806423
Neither of which show whether the detected b12 was an active or inactive analogue

Veganism is a depopulation meme. It's scientifically proven it reduces sex drive and increases the chances of infertility in both sexes. Also being too lean has the same effect. The body needs a healthy Amount of fat to create testosterone and other hormones.

>>38793926
Faggoty try first a vegan Dessert and then speak! Waht are you a Fag!

You can replace milk with coconut- or almond milk and Eggs with Chia broth or you put two bananas in a blender and you have your replacement. Think first you homo

>>38806735
>alternate universe, the comic

>>38793883
>>38793992
>>38794249
Actually, heroin itself is harmless to your body. The only problem is that our body likes heroin so much you pretty much neglect everything else like basic hygiene and food.

>>38793960
>>38793993
>>38793946
Well faggot People are dying all the time from meat eating... ist no comparison if a handful Babys die from veganism. Most Vegans are strong as fuck. Dont look at the hypster gay vegans but look at the MMA fighter vegans or strongmen!

>>38807123
>Actually, heroin itself is harmless to your body
so harmless that the hundreds of thousands of people who have OD'd on it are completely fine

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>>38807143
but I'm stronger than you, dyel cuck. :-)

>>38794083
you are lying phaggit and we all know it, simple as that.

>>38807158
where you and your kid at now!

>>38807149
Dosis sola facit venenum. You could OD on kitchen salt if you wanted to.

>>38806735
THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT

>>38793687
Literally Rddit. Fuck. No originality...

>>38807393
Where are you from, Germany?

>>38793796
>vegans are so healthy and so powerful they don't have to resort to creating shitty knockoffs of what is considered normal food.