Please be honest. Is there a single chance of salvaging this

Stop being a sad little faggot and cut until about 12% body fat, then lean bulk back up to 20%.

You're too much of a fat ass to meaningfully bulk right now, so cutting first is mandatory. No hate, I started out a fat cunt like you. We're all gonna make it.

>>38715046
cut to 15% to get your natty fucking confidence then clean bulk for mad mucles

>>38715046
Just lose weight sugar tits.

>>38715061
thanks man. It's just /fit/ always says bulking first is better than cutting when you have no muscle. So I thought it'd be better to bulk as it seems the common advice for people who look like me. So cut until I see abs?

>>38715068
>>38715086
What bodyfat% would you say I'm at now?

>>38715046
read the fucking sticky. Nice gyno tho

>>38715046

stop talking about potential bc judging by this picture you are NOWHERE near it... you need to lift for a few years and then come back and make this thread you DYEL loser

>>38715141
Do I really have gyno or is it just fat

>>38715161
Please don't be mean I'm just looking to know if I have a chance

>>38715112
25? I like to use my vascularity as a point of reference for when I'm cutting and can't really check BF.

>>38715161
This, come back in a few years, bitch tits.

>>38715112
Building muscle on a bulk gets progressively harder the fatter you are. You'll definitely have to cut first.

Maybe not until you see abs, because that might require you to reach anything from 8% to 10%. It really depends on how much muscle you have under your fat at the current moment, so at this point it's difficult to tell what 12% will actually look like for you. You're gonna have to determine for yourself when the time comes. Maybe post here again and ask for an estimate when you think you're around 12%

>>38715046
An almost certain chance if you act now.

>>38715176

lift for a few years bc no one can tell "if you have a chance" with that amorphous blob of a body you have

>>38715184
Forgot to say that you should obviously still be lifting on this cut. You will definitely make noob gains.

>>38715046
I've seen worse. Just do SS while cutting.

>>38715184
Okay I will cut

How should I progress my lifts since I wont be able to do 5lbs per workout as it says?

>>38715183
>>38715192
Please don't call me names I just want to make it and stop looking like a girl

>>38715046
>>38715201
Also, READ THE FUCKING STICKY!

>>38715204
>How should I progress my lifts since I wont be able to do 5lbs per workout as it says?
You will be able to progress simply because you're a beginner. Start out with the bar and add 5lbs every week.

>>38715204
You will still be able to progress on your lifts since you are a beginner. 5 lbs per workout is a good benchmark.

Try your best to hit that each session. If you can't, up the reps until you can up the weight.

>>38715046
you should wear a bra for those bad girls, i bet those tits jiggle all about while you wear a shirt.

>>38715210
I've already read and understood the sticky.

I just don't know what specifically to do in my case.

>>38715215
>>38715217
I have been lifting.but I struggle to add 5lbs per workout now

>>38715218
I thought it was just fat... will they go away at lower bf?

>>38715235
>I thought it was just fat... will they go away at lower bf?

If it's gyno, the more you lose fat the worse it will be.

>>38715249
That's like 3 people that mentioned it

Do I really have boobs or are they pulling my leg?

>>38715235
What routine you on? What weights are you moving for which lifts for how many reps and sets. If you do SS with 3x5 I hardly believe you'll be able to exhaust noobgains before 3-5 months and losing a shitton of weight.

>>38715257
I'm doing ss with some other shit added in. I try to do cardio on off days

My lifts right now are 115x5 row, 125x5 bench press, 170x5 squat, 215x5 deadlift. And I do 130x5 lat pulldown because I can't do any chinups

>>38715254
Fuck's sake, it's just fat OP. You'll lose the tits when you cut

>>38715268
Wheres your citation to prove it's just fat? you some magical doctor with x-ray vision?

Stupid faggot.

>>38715275
Is it really gyno

I don't have the money for surgery

>>38715275
>you some magical doctor with x-ray vision?

well, i'm a plastic surgeon

hahahahahaha you look like fucking shit op and your attitude fucking sucks, you've read the sticky, you know that you need to diet and exercise but you're too much of a fuckin spastic to actually go do it, nobody care about your semi-deflated balloon animal body, this is /fit/ not /fat/, now fuck off and go for a run.

>>38715305
I just wanted to know to cut or bulk man. You guys always say bulk first even if you're fat

>>38715308
bulking for fat people is a meme.

desu the only people who should ever bulk first are complete skellies

>>38715308

don't worry about cut or bulk, you're just fat, so diet and exercise.

>>38715046
I was way worse nine months ago, fag. Do it.

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Why do I get so flabby when cutting?

>>38715318
What are you like now?

How long will it take me to fix my disgusting body?

>>38715320
because you're still fat senpai

>>38715302
And im a space cowboy, faggot.

>>38715324
I would be ottermode if wasn't because all that lose skin

Take it really serioulsy, cut correctly and start working out and you'll be shocked about how you look in four months

>>38715339
Is 1800 calories too low? Will I have any loose skin?

>>38715266
Do the cardio after workout or drop it alltogether and just eat less. If you're running it's unhealthy as fuck for your knees anyways at the moment. It's probably hindering your recovery too. What "other shit" are you doing how many reps and sets?

>>38715352
3x5 for the compounds of course and 3x8 for everything else.

By other shit I'm doing a few isolations like cable rows, facepulls, curls and tricep pushdowns.

>>38715046
You are 12 months and 1x 12 week cycle of test away from having a respectable body.

>>38715352
I do the stair climber for cardio btw

Is it really bad for my knees? I'm not that heavy

>>38715364
How much would that help me? Will it really fix everything?

I have gyno and it looks the same as yours op.. went doctor over it

>>38715344
>Is 1800 calories too low?
I don't know, man, use myfitnesspal. I'm 6'2 and I was cuting under 1900, but I don't know about you

>Will I have any loose skin?
I was way worse than that. You'll probably have some, but that's why you gain muscles. Don't worry about that now.

>>38715352
>If you're running it's unhealthy as fuck for your knees anyways at the moment.
This, wait for lose some weight before running and you'll be fine with your former-fat legs muscles. Squat like a motherfucer in the meantime

>>38715266
>I can't do any chinups
I did my first one at 93 kg. And started at 140...

>>38715046

Don't keep bulking you absolute madman... If you do you'll only get more fat and be less efficient at buildng muscle than skelly

>>38715399
Am I really that obese? I always just thought I was pretty below average only

>>38715448
Why, because of the running? You're not THAT obese, but your knees will get hurt. If you lose some weight, it will be like using tools designed for a much harder task in something easier. You don't run to exercise your legs, but your heart, so you better wait to lose soome weight and make it easier. And believe me, I never got an injury from exercising, even when I was a fcking landwhale, but I have firends that fucked their bodies forever with that shit and it's not funny at all. Feels kinda guilty

Lol yeah keep bulking brah

>>38715482
I use stair climber

is it just as bad?

>>38715534
It's worse than walking but not as bad as jogging. Afaik, the thing that puts the least strain on your knees is the crosstrainer.

>>38715553
>crosstrainer
yep, that's the thing

>>38715553
But I'm not THATheavy

people run at my weight all the time but with muscle instead of fat, don't they?

>>38715591
Bro, I ran at your weight, but because I was fatter before. You have to lose weight before running, that's it.

>>38715591
Difference is, their legs are trained. Believe it or not, but muscles supporting your frail knees actually helps you keep them healthy.

>>38715600
Okay thank you

I will buy ephedrine tomorrow and start more strictly cutting

>>38715600
Also my lower back hurts more than anything doing cardio

What do

>>38715046
thats fucking disgusting

>>38715879
T-thank you...

>>38715046
This is a stupid fucking question.

Just work out.

Jesus Christ.

Of course you can get in shape. Literally anyone can get in shape.

>>38715046
Put the food down and the weights up.

>>38715201
Running long and hard (like my cock) is a good alternative to SS since it also works your core and the cut is faster

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>>38715201
What is cutting?