/fraud/ general

Guys please fucking help

Pinning 150 test, 200 tren, 100 mast eod

First time pinning eod and all my other spots were sore as fuck

So I pinned my left calf

This was half an hour ago

I can't feel my left foot or wiggle my toes

What the fuck do I do

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>>38629009
First for a v e r a g e gf hunting

>>38629122
what did he mean by average gf

>>38629113
Why are you pinning so often? What esters are your gear? What spots are you using?

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>>38629151
This

>>38629009
seems like most people advocate either running a bulk cycle or a cut cycle – why not both?

If I'm running a 16 week Test-E cycle, is there anything wrong with bulking for 12 weeks, cutting hard for 4, and then eating slightly above maintenance through pct?

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>>38629113
Rotate glutes quads and VGs and you're g2g. No idea why the fuck youd use calves.
RIP in peas

>>38628981
I decided to take a break from injectibles so I'm going to do dbol only for some time, with AI because I'm prone to gyno

perhaps you could answer my question now, is the dry/itchy skin caused by the aromasine?

>>38629177
It's fine but probably not ideal,personally I would only do like a 300kcal surplus bulk with extra cardio and fat gain would be minimal, then again I only track food like 1x a week so my intake might be slightly higher day to day

>crazy girl asks where do I live
time to run I guess

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>>38629180
Dam she's such a babe

>>38629277
I mean, it's okay if it's just a general location and not actually your address

or you can just yolo risk it for the sex. it might be worth it (I would, but I've never had a stalker so maybe I'd regret that decision)

>>38629301
You are looking into the eyes of a creature who's facial aesthetics is result of countless selection for the most cold, manipulating, calculated and emotion evoking traits.

Her whole face is made to make you weak and submit to her will.

How does it feel.

brb gotta finance some cam girls.

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>>38629301
If I'm honest her body is lacking but her face and attitude are cute as hell. She's got a jewtube channel but she mostly talks about makeup and shit.

Would wife and feed low dose var while taking her to the gym with me/10

Is manletgains dead?

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>>38629350
Feels like evolution man, desu senpai I just like her freckles

>>38629009


Would somebody please give some insight, I've been using Sustanon 250 E3D for 10-weekish now, and it seems I don't have any negative side effects whatsoever. I've done research on steroids but it's a complex subject in general.

First couple weeks were mad with horniness and zest, but from there on it has steadied, my skin has cleared up and I've put on 20 pounds so far (not very noticeable bloat, fat deposits seem to have changed as well). I've had progress especially in my upper body, which was weak and had major problems making progress in my lifts there (bench esp.).

Could it be that I had lower test to begin with? I've had suspicions before but never gotten them tested as it would require a doctor's prescription and they are pretty unwilling when i comes to issues related to testosterone.

Sorry for reposting and shitty english

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>>38629122
>tfw no a v e r a g e gf

>>38629391
Were not that lucky no
>>38629388
We all have dreams we can hope to one day achieve

>>38629113
theres p much no muscle worse than calves when it comes to pinning
why

ventroglute>vastus L>dorsiglute>delt>vastus I>pec>vastus M>lats>traps>anything>calves

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>>38629396
I've come to notice the only girls I fall head over heels for have eyes like hers where the tear ducts are angled downwards like that.

first for tall girls are best girls

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>>38629427
I like the glasses too that's a photo I have never seen before

How often to tan? I have a heavy Irish ancestry and winter is approaching in Canada, thinking maybe hitting a tanning bed will get rid of my pasty white skin and maybe clear up any slight acne

>>38629400
I fucking hate japs they are so weird

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>>38629446
God we sound like such creepers.

>>38629510
Pin dat dere mt2 and tan like 5 minutes EoD

>>38629510
never, tanning ages your skin, use fake tan

>>38629521
Lol I agree but what can you do

Also M2 scares the fuck out of me, than again I am injecting bathtub test, taking UGL ai and just started low dose Accutane what's the worse that can happen?
>>38629531
I've always been very pale, almost sickly but I haven't cared enough to go out and tan and when I don't apply a lot of sunscreen I burn very easily :/ guess I'll just stick with pale flesh

>>38629421
why are delts so underrated

in for posting in dead threads >>38629645

>>38629657
kek

I'm going to be running about 150 test c for my first cycle.
What AI/PCT should I run if I want the greatest odds of keeping my gains and the least odds of getting gyno or any other shitty side effect?

>>38629706
150mg test/week?

>>38629718
Typo. 250/week for 14 weeks

>>38629670
wonder what she said about me

>>38629657
>>38629740
you ready to go to prison?

>>38629767
what is doter patient confidentiality?

lol, but nah.
I read about our laws b4 hand.
we safe nigga :)

>>38629732
you can run that for much longer than 14 weeks lol, do it for half a year then get bloods.

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>>38629767

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>>38629421
Pec is top tier

>>38629520
I want a Japanese bride.

>>38629820
>situations where the patient [...] would be prone to harm as a result of risk-related contact

Good morning gentlemen,

What's the best way to mix your compounds? I've only ever drawn from one vial and injected. But my next cycle, it would be convenient to draw both test and mast into the syringe and pin in one go. Do you just draw one, take it out, fill with more air, push air in to the other vial until the liquid is about to squirt and then begin drawing the second? I imagine this would throw off the numbers a bit

>>38629789
But it's babys first cycle
I'm 6'4", 200lbs and about 15% bf
I want to put on some solid muscle since the effort and dedication I already submitted myself to for two years isn't bearing fruits as juicy as I thought.

>>38629875
I still think we're safe

>>38629885
Air for both first, then draw, draw

>>38629885
One more question. Since anavar is a relatively quick acting compound... can I run this right up to right before my PCT?

>>38629903
Okay that makes sense. Thank jer-bear

Could roids bring out your inner autism? Haven't felt the desire to talk to anybody since I started pinning about 6 months ago. Literally unable to show any emotion while conversing with someone. My wife is pretty upset about this. It's like I try to smile while talking to people but it only comes off as a fake smile. Like I have to try really hard to smile or change my expression otherwise.

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>>38629930
I know what you mean tho.
Like, it kinda lowers your tolerance for bs - like faking smiles and talking to fags you dont care about

>>38629930
"Inner autism"

Sounds like a case of standard autism to me. You're not alone though. I can barely manage to give an entire fuck about most conversations I have unless it nets me money or pussy.

>>38629930
You're just caring less. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Just make sure to care about important stuff like your wife, job, etc. But little social interactions here and there that don't benefit you; you aren't obligated to make the other person feel comfortable.

Ok lads here is the problem, I have super low test (like 200ng) but it's still not low enough for me to be prescribed anything. Should I take some LGD 4033 to shreck my test levels and go to a different Doctor and hope to get prescribed something, or should I just pin myself? Also what is a good therapeutic dose that I can be on for years? Would 50mg twice a week be good? Not looking to get jacked just want to have normal test levels. Fuck my genetics ;_;

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>>38630078
Standard prescribed dose is 100mg once a week of test cyp but if you really only want a therapeutic dose I'd go with 150mg test u instead of cyp and still pin once a week.

>just ate 4 donuts and a pizzabun
>gained 10lbs id lost receny

Soooooo bulimia anyone? Viable option?

>>38630121
What's the difference between test e and test c? Also should I do 75 twice a week or 150 once? Also are darknet Roids safe? Don't want to be injecting some Chinese tainted shit. Thanks for the help tbqh it's hard to find info on shit like this

>>38630223
The half life

>>38630222
its just water weight
you didnt accidentally eat 35000 calories

>>38630223
As much as I don't like the circle jerk that is reddit, hit up r/steroids and read all day and night, most if not all your questions will be answered or have been asked before, trt is like 100 - 150 mg/wk I'm pretty sure

>>38630270
>you didn't accidentally

U just watch me m8

Brehs I'm on week 8 of 12 of my first cycle and I need to cut. I just realized I look like pressed sausage in my jeans.

Should I continue to bulk for 4 weeks then maintain during pct and cut after?

Should I go on a cut on 500mg test / week for 4 weeks

Or go on a cut but drop the dose to <250mg to extend the duration?

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>>38630223
Ester weight and therefore half-life.

Like I said ideally I'd do test undec 150mg maybe 250 if it lands you at the very top of the reference range.

It's all Chinese raws unless you buy pharma gear from overseas and buy Bayer or some other pharma brand. Not those shitty ugls that call themselves ____ pharma.

>>38630270
I actually ate 2800000 calories today which equals 2800 Cal / kcal

help me pinheads >>38630348

>>38630385
Don't do clen, it's legit bad for your heart and a meme, just actually diet correctly add more cardio or do psmf

>>38630223
>What's the difference between test e and test c?
different esters, very slight difference
>Also should I do 75 twice a week or 150 once?
twice a week
>Also are darknet Roids safe?
as safe as underground lab brewed stuff is ever going to be
>>38630312
those are some big-ass donuts then
>>38630350
funny
capitalization is just for the full word (Calorie vs calorie), though, the abbreviation is always kcal

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So my 3 vials of test e, ai, and nolva came in the mail today. I'm planning to start Oct 1, as I get my blood work done next week.

I didn't get dbol, should I? Also how many more cals should I be eating on a cycle. +30%?

>>38630423
provarin for tits
HCT for balls
/post

>>38630400
I still want to do it just tellme ffs

>>38630423
First cycle?

Just run the test. You'll blow up. I ate probably 300 cals over usual just because I was afraid of getting fat. I stayed pretty lean and kept 10 pounds after PCT and a few months off

>>38630468
I'd honestly do the liquid. Way easier to get the dosage right

>>38630468
do dnp instead

>>38630468
K

>which of the pic related clen brands should I buy?

Shouldn't matter

>What is the most effective cycle to get shredded as fuck and not experience extreme side effects

Eat -500kcal and do cardio, stay away from other stimulants if you are taking meme drugs

>also I'm 13% bodfat
Why are you cutting more? I 100% doubt you are actually 13%

Maybe try killing yourself, I hear blowing your brains out is just as effective at losing weight fast to show off your abs, or try Google and figure it out for yourself

>>38630468
different brands dont have different effects you fucking idiot

>>38630222
dont you need a gag reflex to be bulemic?

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>>38630527
>blowing your brains out is just as effective at losing weight fast to show off your abs
Is this true
Can anyone confirm

>>38630423
Blood work pre cycle isn't really necessary, your test levels should be fine. It's best to do it after cycle to see if your pct worked. Start pinning now nigga

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>>38630532
I'm nit saying they do,not stating my opinion and implying I know anything.
just here to ask and learn
>>38630527
>-500kcal
>kcal
>k
if you meant "cal" holy shit do you want me to kill my gains ?
>I doubt youre %13
me too,honestly I have no Idea what % bf I am
5'8manlet
147lbs

>>38630603
>just here to ask and learn
people already told you that clen is shit but you wont give up
>holy shit do you want me to kill my gains ?
how is eating at a 500 kcal deficit a drastic measure?

>>38630603
>5'8manlet
>147lbs
Tbh you need to eat and actually lift, you are mad underweight for a natty, if that's you in the pic you need to bulk 100% not cut, and assuming you are in aus you won't listen to anyone's advice anyways so go ahead and take drugs that will do permanent damage to your heart

Also kcal is correct, food is measured in kcal but commonly expressed as just calories, you are just retarded and have no idea what you are talking about, go read the sticky and eat food

>>38630603
A calorie is technically a kcal.
Different countries use different conventions.

You should know this before roids

>>38630603
>>-500kcal
>>kcal
>>k
>if you meant "cal" holy shit do you want me to kill my gains ?

he does, a 0.5 kcal defecit will absolutely kill your gains

>>38630703
>>38630661
>>38630650
even 100 grams of chicken brast has 180 cals and I am supposed to stay under 500?so I cant eat more than 70 grams of protein a day assuming Im doing keto ?what if I eat near 1000cal with a macro profile of 100gr> protein,<100gr carbs <100gr fats?
also I've been bulking for 19 months now,gained 25lbs and really I just want to try this stuff before I do a 10 week 250mg test e cycle

>>38630593
the point of pre-cycle bloods is to know if your pct worked properly when you get your post-cycle bloods...

>>38630335
Anyone? Pls

>>38630803
youre a fucking idiot
go back to elementary school or something
fuck

>>38630803
you are so goddamn stupid

pretty much everything wrong with beginners

>>38630825
>>38630839
sorry wise men I'll go on and eat 500 cal worth of noodles everyday with cardio and get shredded brb

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>>38630603
Daily remember that these are the guys criticizing my physique and telling i look like shit.

but, but at least i score LMAO

>>38630803
>>38630803
You are fucking retarded but what should I expect from an Australian who looks like they are underage, food is measured in kcal, as in a 2000 calorie diet is actually 20,000 calories but no one uses that, bulking is eating +500 calories (actually 500kcal), eat at least a gram of protein per lb of bodyweight the rest is carbs and fat

Go read the sticky and stop posting in fraud, I for sure won't be replying after this post, you aren't ready for clen, you aren't even close to being ready for test, Noone here uses clen and we inject bathtub chemicals at least 2x a week, if that doesn't tell you that clen is not worth it, nothing will

>>38630879
>500 kcal deficit means 500 kcal total
how are you even alive

>about to text girl like a thirsty nigga
>fap
>no longer want to text girl
this saved me way too many times

>>38630603
dyel faggot

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Had a shit day at work, almost ripped someone head off. Fucking snitches, backstabbers.

i can never use tren eventhough i'am really curious, i would never able to hold myself.

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>>38630803
Gr8b8m8ir88/8

>>38630884
I neevr criticised your physique
>>38630908
fucking hell guess I misunderstood,I thought you told me to eat under 500kcal and not drop 500kcal off your diet
>>38630908
>>38630918
>>38630839
>>38630825
>>38630786
"GAWHEGWRHAAR HOW FUXJINF STUPID ARET YIU FCKING MOROEN I'LLS JUSDT RAGE THE FKC OUT ISNTRAD OF EXPLDKLAINING PEOPERLY YOUDHRE SO STUPIDFD FJCNING FMORON"
>>38630908
"here anon I think you misunderstood the situation its not "that" its "this"

>>38630914
the issue is if you keep your phone close while fapping

I've texted old ONS so many times at the peak of my horniness, then I cum and regret the shit out of it

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>>38630941
Just live that chill life bruh

>>38630986
calm down you fucking idiot
1. it was clearly stated that a DEFICIT was being discussed
2. even if it wasnt you should be able to tell it was by context but you couldnt
∴youre a fucking idiot

>>38630986
you don't know basic nutrition terms, you look like an Auschwitz survivor and you refuse to listen to anyone telling you how terrible clen is

you are way past the point of us just "calmly explaining to you why you're wrong," you're stupid and endangering yourself. don't drag us into your stupid shit

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>>38630986
I give you credits for posting pics, that seems a rare phenomenon over here.

>>38631004
What do? up the dose?

>>38629009
no need to take steroids just do GOMAD better gains

>>38631025
haha epic lol =)

>>38631020
Same kinda glasses that chem wears in that pic lmao.

>>38629399
>Could it be that I had lower test to begin with?
Is this your only question? Sorry, your post was kind of hard to follow - was looking for a question the whole time.

Only way to know that is if you took bloods before cycle. Are you surprised by how much weight you've put on or something?

>>38631016
>>38631006
ok so clen is shit ?if you guys are %100 sure I wint fucking use it damn I'm not trying to challenge your experience or something but I really want to know.
also I was quoting you,I am not butthurt by being called a idiot also sorry for not being able to comprehend English %100 after a month of taking lessons
>>38631016
I never counted calories and I'm doing fine keeping gaining mas
I truly looked like a Auschwitz before I started
>haha you still look like one haha I'm funny guys
gaining 25lbs of lean mass isnt great but its fine at least give some credit for that man

>>38631135
Eat more anon, clen is a meme, go on reddit and learn how to eat and lift correctly, track your food 1x a week at least and lift heavy

>>38630703
to be even more pedantic about it, only a Calorie with an uppercase C is a kcal jerry-san

>>38631020
Just
~chill out~

Jelly wage cucks talking doesn't hurt you none bruh
Take your ai

>>38631216
Your mom is a capital C

What's new fraudsters? Chem out of the halfway house yet? Mast go back to neet yet, after fit shaming?

>>38631310
>Your mom is a capital C
Sick burn.

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>>38631310
I just ook my ai, Was really long time ago i took an ai.

Thought i didn't it need with 250mg test and 400 mast

>>38631533
Mast Still skinny as ever, and chem is still a junky

Any1 here using TP's hgh?

Guys I want to do test and not pay for it.How do I drop my t to 200-250 range to get a prescription?

>>38631583
iktf, put on a about 5lbs. Pretty sure it's 90% fat.
Fuck natty bulking.
And natty cutting.
Fuck being natty in general.

>>38631686
>Guys I want to do test and not pay for it.
Unnless you're legit low t, trt doses aren't going to do shit.

>>38631686
>Guys I want to do test and not pay for it
jew plz

i have to get up at 5 for work tomorrow, should i wake up early and pin, or pin now?

>>38631686
how much are trt doses? 200mg a week? that's still than my current serum t levels which is 70-60mg

>>38631727
Why are you natty? Since when?

>>38630914
>fap
>still send text
I'm a complete disgrace.

>>38631837
More like 100, maybe 150/wk

>>38631888
I've been off since February.
Just ordered stuff for the next cycle.
Pretty sure I'm going to BnC forever.

Random tinder girl just started a convo, quick /fraud/ give me your best pick up lines.

I've been pining for a long time and it always hurts but yesterday i did it and it felt like something had gone wrong, the pain was almost unbearable and then for the next hour i sat there in extreme discomfort. Anyone else get that?

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>>38631930
Why you went off?

I'am gonna bnc till death, i don't care anymore. My life has no other purpose other than be big and shredded as possible.

>>38631930
if I'm low enough what eill he prescribe me ? provarin and HCG?

>>38631533
My dresses are too erotic
Please advise

>>38631583
It could
But if you're emotional it might not be pulling it's weight

>>38631976
>Why you went off?
Advanced mental retardation.
After blasting and cruising for almost a year I wanted to experience natty life again. Also tren gave me roid acne, and I was waiting for that to clear up.

>>38631994
I'm not a doctor.
Probably just low dose test. like 100/wk
Probably won't get hcg unless you're expressing a desire to have kids soon.

>>38630222
>gained 6 pounds in a weekish.
>No energy for early run
Bulimia sounds like a good option.

>>38632008
>My dresses are too erotic
>Please advise
Send me pics.
Then I can give proper advice.

>>38632041
>>38632008
fuck off to /soc/ tripfags

>>38631976
but what if you wife a woman and insemination becomes imminent?

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>>38632143
When I start to fraud next Thursday must I adopt a trip to really get the full experience?

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>>38632008
You're my one friend i have, jerry

>>38632029
Why not accutane then?

so what are your plans now? What compounds?

>>38632209
Fuck woman, i only live for myself and my muscles

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>>38632220
I bet zyzz was using a trip

>>38632250
thats what I thought until I met her
one of them will pervail and claim you with the way she thinks and cares for you and not looks
I'm living with the most beautiful creature on earth man you should try it sometime-no you WILL try it sometime

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>>38632277
Good for you m8. I hope you both will live happily ever after. I really do.

and remember; never stop hoping and dreaming. Just hold on to that dream and never let go.

>>38632251
...

newfriends get out reeeeeee

>>38632220
Back in the day, when you could get sources on fraud, it was essential to establishing a relationship with a source/customer.

Now it's just a social thing.

It's also useful for knowing the source of your advice. Ie the difference between getting advice from brick or chem.
>>38632250
>Why not accutane then?
In hindsight I would have.
Next blast is bulking on test dbol and deca.
Maximum over bloat.

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>>38632143
>make a joke
>fuck offff!!

>don't post
>why is the thread so dead

Ok

>>38632356
>anons are all one person

>>38632415
>implying I'm not (You)

>>38632356
jk man I don't want any trips to leave ffs
>>38632251
yeah ;_;
also how should I train when I'm on test e ?
do I worry about the legnth of the workout ? do I care about overtraining at all?
do I get shorter rest periods ?do I take rest days ?
how much should I up the number of sets?or rather hoe much CAN I up the number of setsI'm so used to beating the shit out of the muscle within 50mins I dont even know what to do with extra training time
any recommended routines for a /fraud/?

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>>38632415
>>38632427
HWAT

>>38632415
I figured you were all OT

>>38632430
Adjust your intensity, volume, and frequency to meet your training goals

>>38629584
Delts can't handle more than 2cc's without swelling up and hurting like a bitch until that oil dissipates. Plus good luck trying to lift when you cant bring your arm up past your head.

>>38630335
Are you running any SERMS with it to control the bloat and estrogen? Dropping your dose to 250 wont really make a difference if you don't keep you e2 levels in check.

>>38632603
who /pecs/ here?

>>38630459
Proviron is the weakest shit out there for gyno, do not use that. Go with arimidex, or aromasin.

And stay away from HCG, you can fuck up your natural test production easier from misusing that than actual gear.

>>38632663
>what are facts ?

>>38632603
what length needle do you use for delts? maybe it's because i'm still pretty dyel but i cant imagine there being more than an inch depth of muscle

>>38630342

> It's all Chinese raws unless you buy pharma gear from overseas and buy Bayer or some other pharma brand. Not those shitty ugls that call themselves ____ pharma.


and let me tell you, even sourced FROM china it is 2nd or 3rd hand. Ever notice that on the websites of these competing "companies" that their addresses are almost always a fucking studio apartment in some old megabloc? How the factory pictures look eerily fake and the factory addresses dont actually support the claimed size?

my contention is that there is maybe a handful of actual industrial sized and properly equipped facilities in mainland china that produce the bulk of this shit. Chinese then buy it and re-sell it to westerns at a markup or cut it down.

Theres probably a few that try to do the synthesis themselves, which would explain the constant variance in purity. But AFAIK, proper pharmaceutical companies use bacterias to produce steroids now.

>>38632617
pretty sure that's it

>>38632711
1/2" 22-25 gauge. Anything longer and you'll hit bone.

>>38632687
Facts for what the proviron part or the HCG part?

>>38632641
I'm quads all day. Most surface area to work with.

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>>38632720
Yeah there are only a couple manufacturers and everyone else just resells shit.

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just got my pre cycle bloods in, can any one comment on them?

>>38632734
both

>>38632844
you are a low test high estro beta

>>38632844
with that test you're fucked, enjoy having no gains past 185lbs

>>38632663
>And stay away from HCG, you can fuck up your natural test production easier from misusing that than actual gear.

the boogeyman myths about HCg destroying your testicles are prevalent in the bodybuilding community but not actually based on any fact.

Considering the only effective treatment of steroid induced hypogonadism in medical literature all involve HYOOGE doses of HCG for periods of months in some cases, i think its safe to say the conservative use most AAS users engage in is probably safe.

The belief that HCG is "dangerous" for the nuts mostly seems to stem from the poor interpretation of estradiol killing leydig cells - one has to wonder about the individual who gets cold feet about injecting hcg because of estrogen but then feels absolutely fine about injecting upwards of a gram of testosterone every week lol

>>38632876
>>38632873
Well I already know that, I'm 5'6 ffs, but I'm 160 and actually have a respectable body, I'm on cycle now so I'm wondering how long into a cycle should I get more blood taken?

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>>38631940
>>38632045

modacat, 20% btc discount

>>38632029
>>38632353
>Also tren gave me roid acne, and I was waiting for that to clear up.

I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop

skin and hair are bulletproof even with tren/mast, even with trest I aromatize as much as one of those ethiopian infomercial kids eats, (guessing) the methyl e2 from the trest is what's making me feel happier too, takes a little longer to fall asleep

var is fucking unbearable north of 50mg though, like holy mother of fuck the pumps are kinda cool but not when it's making everything below your knees unable to contract from the pressure

>It's also useful for knowing the source of your advice. Ie the difference between getting advice from brick or chem.

I mean yeah, but I'm also a terrible person so god help the dumb bastard that's cribbing notes on how to succeed at life from me

>>38632641

pecs feel fucking weird but I might just not be pinning the perfect spots, same 25g 5/8ths I use for quads/delts

>>38632720

ofc, it's just a constant search for finding a decent connect as far upstream as you can manage

>But AFAIK, proper pharmaceutical companies use bacterias to produce steroids now.

hwut?

I know there are maybe a handful of non-chinese unlicensed manufacturers in the world, but every single one is associated with big name ugls and you'd have an easier time finding full production scale nederland-quality mdma sources

>>38632734

fuck trying to pin medialis but you can easily get 2-3 spots from lateralis, shit's awesome

>>38632935
just because you are short it doesn't mean you are low test lol. high estro can prematurely close growth plates but I doubt that it was the case desu

>>38632935
what are you on? how long have you been on it?

>>38629009
Anyone have experience with ordering to a college dorm? Any precautions I should be aware of?

>>38632989
I was referring more to the beta part lmao, I was planning on coming off in November around my 23 birthday but now I'm thinking I'm just going to bnc 4 lyfe, high estrogen makes sense ive had horrible acne my whole life

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What's the starting dose to gauge your response to asin? Is it 12.5mg e3d?

Someone needs to come up with a quick estrogen test like a pregnancy test, shut would sell like hotcakes in the fitness community.

>>38633006
When that blood was taken I was natty, I'm now 4 weeks into a 500mg/wk test E cycle for 15 weeks, might just cruise on 150 mg test tho now that I know my natty levels are shitty, I'm 22 and I've been "working out" since I was 13 but my diet was shit and my training was worse, started at 100lbs and 5'6, started taking this seriously for the last 3.5 years I've gone from a above average looking 140 to a lean 160, goal is 175 but low bf

>>38632937
>skin and hair are bulletproof even with tren/mast, even with trest
Mirin. Never had a problem with bloat or gyno or any other sides till tren acne.

Don't think I'll be trying it again anytime soon.

>>38633054
What was your bf% natty before you started roids?

I'm in a similar situation to you pre-cycle (low natty T) and wonder if I should re-check T levels after I'm down to 12% or something. Only problem is that natty cutting with low T is the worst thing ever.

Any reason you didn't just go for pharma test/TRT since your natty T levels are so low?

How does testosterone affect your mood and personality?

>>38633085
because he's blasting

a script doesn't let you buy an infinite amount of test, you're limited to your trt dosage

he's also nowhere near low enough to get it prescribed but that's another thing

>>38633021
you should probably take an ai, the top reference number of estro is about 55 I think

I have low test but my shitty doctor prescribe TRT, wut to do?

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>>38632937
What dose did you run mast at? Any noticeable effects positive/negative?

>>38633128
what is your test levels?

>>38633085
Bf was maybe 14% but hard to say, not as low as I should have been but I got anxious and decided to pin early, my levels aren't low enough for trt, I knew that before I got blood tests as I'm actually pretty muscular,

>>38633119
I'm currently taking 6.25 MG aromas in eod as my acne flared up pretty quickly when I started pinning, didn't think I would need ai from the start but I obviously did

This more or less has convinced me to bnc, or at least mostly cruise, I don't need to be fucking massive

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>>38633007
help plz

>>38633205
at your high estro levels, even cruising you're gonna have to use ai the whole time

rip your money

>>38633220
Such is life I guess, good thing I make good money

>>38629930
Wait till u get to the point where u bitch slap people or just whip your dick out and piss on their shoes.

>>38633097
Not at all
Maybe elevated a bit if you are low t

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>>38632922

it's the same desensitization boogeyman that freaks the retards out about triptorelin and other gnrh agonists, just with the leydig cells vs upstream with the anterior pituitary instead

>>38633130

*running

400mg mast e, it helps to kind of "smooth out" some of the shittier parts of tren and make you feel awesome

other ancillary effects on shbg, sexual function, balancing bloat/excess water retention, vascularity, etc

the trest/tren/mast combo has me feeling pretty awesome right now and it's just starting to really take full effect, fullness like a fat dude that just bankrupted a chinese buffet

>>38633213

just rent a fucking box from the post office if you're worried about it

>>38633232

I think that's just your natural autism

>>38633245
Jerry can u comment on my test
>>38632844
Should I just bnc 4 life

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>>38633253
>400mg mast e
You brew it yourself from that colorful bear? I was thinking of picking some up from that chess player.

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>>38633253
Brick can u comment on muh test too?
>>38632844
Should I just cycle forever

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>>38633307
What the fuck do you want to hear? You're only seeking affirmation from everyone on here to make yourself feel better about whatever choice you've already made. If you felt shitty before then just fucking b&c.

>>38633341
Yes and? Jerry posts about having imaginary sex with a 2D anime and the quality of posts bother you? I was also curious about other levels I have

>>38633307
this is /fraud/

everyone would tell you to bnc forever even if you were at 900 ng/dl

idk what you're trying to do

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>>38633257
Not good, I'd self medicate

>>38633360
No its real sex

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>>38633110
>a script doesn't let you buy an infinite amount of test
Oh, thanks for clarifying that. I didn't realize how it would work in practice.

I've read that the main advantage of legal TRT is getting pharma test and being able to travel with it, but I didn't realize you were limited to only what the doctor feels is appropriate.

Figured it was kind of like "yeah now you are authorized to buy pharma test - use within these guidelines and use AIs and PCT if you ever come off."

Guess I shouldn't bother with legal then. Would I even qualify with 335 ng/dL? Units on >>38632844 are different and I've forgotten how to do molarity calculations.

>>38633205
>my levels aren't low enough for trt
Did a doctor tell you they aren't low enough or do you think that just because of your muscularity you'd be seen as a roid fiend?

Have any negative issues with being that level of bf before blasting?

I guess your acne and stuff is probably associated with all that excess aromatization due to body fat.

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https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/anabolic-steroid-abuse/what-are-health-consequences-steroid-abuse

>>38633402
His levels are a little higher
Both of you would have trouble getting trt

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>>38633302

yarp, thinking about another order

more mast e, tren e, grab bag of other shit like var/sd/drol/mtren/asin/cialis/etc

>>38633307

I'd figure out why the fuck your fsh is cratered

>>38633410

some fantastically unbiased work there, jim

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>>38633423
Self medication it is, then!

Thanks jerry.

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>>38633383
Fair enough I forgot where I was, I'll ask no more then

>>38633402
>Did a doctor tell you they aren't low enough or do you think that just because of your muscularity you'd be seen as a roid fiend?
No I haven't talked to my doctor about it yet, I'm seeing them tm, I'm liking test but I don't want to abuse it like some animals I have saw irl who look like a meme

>>38633434
Low fsh for concern for sure, I had a lot of shit the matter with me when I was a new born and I was told I might not b able to have kids lol

is 60mg of dbol too much? ive been on 40mg ed for 9 days with decent results but i want to go for big air. i have taking aromasin 12.5mg ed just in case i grow hooters

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LOL this thread is amazing.

>go ahead take powerful AAS they have no side effects
>no evidence for long term side effects
>blast and cruise for life amirite guys? :DDD

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2646607/

>Long-term use of supraphysiologic doses of AAS may cause irreversible cardiovascular toxicity, especially atherosclerotic effects and cardiomyopathy.
>High concentrations of AAS produce apoptotic effects on various cell types, including neuronal cells - raising the specter of possibly irreversible neuropsychiatric toxicity.
>Finally, AAS abuse appears to be associated with a range of potentially prolonged psychiatric effects, including dependence syndromes, mood syndromes, and progression to other forms of substance abuse.

inb4
>muh sources
Read the article - tons of sources to support the claims are provided. Real sources, not "well my buddy said..." sources.

>but none of the roiders I know are dead yet
The article has an answer for that:
>Imagine, for example, that widespread use of cigarettes began only in 1980, and that a majority of all cigarette smokers in 2008 were still under age 45. In this scenario, one might find scattered case reports of lung cancer among cigarette smokers, but the magnitude of the association between cigarettes and lung cancer would not yet be appreciated.
Enough people haven't been using steroids at the absurd doses you all take for long enough for these problems to pop up on the radar of public health concerns. Do you really want to be the test rats when the science is clear?

(cont.)

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>>38633670
k y s

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>>38633670
>but if you just hop off gear when you're older you'll be fine.

No.
>effects such as atherosclerosis and cardiomyopathy are likely irreversible
>irreversible

>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9717856
>Hypertension, ventricular remodeling, myocardial ischemia, and sudden cardiac death have each been temporally and causally associated with anabolic steroid use in humans. These effects persist long after use has been discontinued and have significant impact on subsequent morbidity and mortality.
>causally associated

So to recap:
>your heart will be fucked
>your brain will be fucked
>but you'll look good for a few years in your 20s and will get a bit of pussy

Sounds like a great deal.

>>38633670
>what is abuse

>>38633525
I've been told that 50 is pretty high.
Also seen peeps on here running 100mg.

Is injecting test at 19 a terrible idea?

What would the repercussions be?

>>38633774
>What would the repercussions be?
Gains.
Closed Growth Plates.

>>38633670
Dying sooner isn't even the worst part even if you don't die sooner it's the additional misery you experience should you manage to live those few extra years.

>>38633796
I'm 6'4 I don't want to grow anymore, would it limit my lateral growth? Like shoulder width

>>38633699
>>what is abuse

>>38629113
>Pinning 150 test, 200 tren, 100 mast eod

>>38633253
>trest/tren/mast combo

>>38633434
>more mast e, tren e, grab bag of other shit like var/sd/drol/mtren/asin/cialis/etc

So many examples of these roided out losers recommending and using insane amounts of hormones without concern for the long term effects because:

>pump is so sick
>i look so ripped brah
>maybe my dad will love me now
>i'm so much bigger than you

These are all:
>supraphysiologic doses of AAS
which is what the authors associate with "abuse" doses (because they are not used in any medically sanctioned protocol such as TRT).

>>38633803
>the additional misery you experience should you manage to live those few extra years.
Exactly. You get it.

Does getting on test cure thoughts of suicide and make you mentally better?

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>>38633692
>>38633830
I told you to kys

>>38633817
I couldn't say. If the growth plates are open now, it'll close them prematurely.

I don't know enough about physical development to tell you whether it's likely that those plates are open or not at 19.

>>38633834
see
>>38633670
>>38633692
>>38633830

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>>38633688
>k y s
>>38633857
>I told you to kys


>roid logic

>>38633834
Probably not. With some exceptions, the mental effects of steroids are largely over exaggerated.

If you're low test, it might help.

>>38633876
you must be great at partys

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>>38633876
I'm not going to argue with an obvious troll senpai

just kys

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#F R A U D S B T F O

#F R A U D S O N S U I C I D E W A T C H

#I N F L A T A B L E M E N P O P P I N G E V E R Y W H E R E

>>38633896
>posts paper replete with peer reviewed sources to support conclusions/claims
>obvious troll

>>38633900
what happened my nigga?

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>ate a turkey leg, 330 grams of cauliflower cheese + 170grams of light mozarella balls melted on top of it
>ate 200g of protein powder straight up
>4 glasses of water

3 hours later im hungry, I dont understand, i dont fuckint understand, this has to be mental, or just the 1g+ of equipoise kicking in after 6 weeks.

maybe i should just replace it with 500g of extra testosterone

>>38633920
i pretty much posted proof that roid use is unsafe in the long term (to combat the spread of misinformation to people on the fence about steroids) and /fraud/ was unable to respond with anything but "kys" and "you must be great at partys."


>>38633670
>>38633692
>>38633830

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>>38633917
>>38633959
k__

>>38633893
He's got cute pics of cats saved. I'm sure he'd be great at parties.

>>38633896
I think it's great. Hater's going to hate. And the extra bumps keep us on the front page. lol

>>38633402
How old are you

>>38633966
you know it would be cheaper to pay a high price hooker than to ruin your health with roids to impress a dumb bitch?

>>38633670
>may
>possibly
>slippery slope/gateway drug argument

wow!

>>38633692
>likely
>sides we all know exist but are easily dealt with with cardio

verdict: neck yourself

>>38633985
25, and 5'8" if that matters

>>38633953
>the 1g+ of equipoise kicking in after 6 weeks.
Probably.
>>38633966
>k__
Oh I got this one! is ys?
Do I get a prize?

>>38634011
>sides we all know exist but are easily dealt with with cardio
[Citation needed]

>>38633953
4 scoops, c'mon guys

>>38634011
>>sides we all know exist but are easily dealt with with cardio

>Testosterone is the preferred ligand of the human androgen receptor in the myocardium and directly modulates transcription, translation, and enzyme function. Consequent alterations of cellular pathology and organ physiology are similar to those seen with heart failure and cardiomyopathy.

Are supraphysiologic AAS doses fucking with DNA transcription/translation, and enzyme function? >Just do cardio, bro, it'll fix that.

>>38634011
>may

Scientists, unlike /fraud/sters, use language to convey information as accurately as possible. They won't say "roids will 100% kill you all the time" when the evidence shows that there are some people who don't experience those sides, or when there are some subtleties/nuances to the thought process that goes behind the conclusion.

/fraud/ however will spread misinformation and routinely encourage unsafe AAS dosing practices, throwing caution to the wind.

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Drunk as fuck on 500mg Sustanon

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>>38633998
my last blast cost me about 200 dollars

>>38634014
you did it faM

have a picture

>>38634052
Not that anon but what are your thoughts on the hundreds of professional bodybuilders that have retired and had families and live fulfilling lives after abusing steroids for years on end?

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>>38634082
dude gross

>>38634087
This is like saying "well my grandpa smoked a pack a day and lived to be 75 so smoking can't be that bad for you."

Controlled scientific studies > anecdotes

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Fuck you faggot

>>38634087
You mean like arnold who had to get heart surgery and had millions of dollars to pay for expensive health work?

Fact is you don't have a single fact to backup anything you post so shut your fat face until you do retarded faggot.

My gym manager now follows me on Instagram
He comes up to me while I lift and has a chat
Decent dude, seems cool

>>38634102
That's not what I asked
I asked for your thoughts on the large number of people that are exceptions to the rule.

To add to what you brought up, what percentage needs to be an exception to a rule before the rule is thrown out and it is acknowledged that more studies are needed for a more accurate conclusion?

>>38634083
Righteous
>>38634102
>Hundreds are like 1
Can I borrow like 1 dollar? I promise to pay you back something like hundreds.

>>38634124
>says one anecdote isn't enough
>Arnold is the only ex professional bodybuilder
Hmmmmmm

>>38634013
Okay, I'm 23 and 5'6 if that matters, ignore the autist above I'm liking test but definitely going to come off after my cycle with some hcg

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>>38634165
LEARN TO READ YOU RETARDED SACK OF SHIT. IF YOU CLAIM SOME "XX%" OF PEOPLE MEET SOME CRITERIA OF BEING ACCEPTABLE THEN YOU FUCKING BETTER COME FOURTH WITH SOME STATISTICS TO BACKUP YOUR CLAIM OTHERWISE YOU'RE TALKING OUT YOUR ASSHOLE AND SOMEBODY IS GONNA COME ALONG AND PUSH YOUR SHIT IN WITH A LARGE FOREIGN OBJECT UNLESS YOU BACKUP YOUR BULLSHIT.

Why is it always manlets that roid?

>>38634188
i'm 24 & 5'10

>>38634102
Show me a scientific study on all l different levels of steroid use where everything was controlled. Food, exercise, everything

>>38634212
Show me a study that shows whatever arbitrary criteria you're claiming matters. Until you do you need to shut your fate face.

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>tfw dyel

>>38634199
I just asked for your thoughts lad.
You then jumped on the anecdote train.

What happens when you expand "ex professional bodybuilder" category to include all the athletes that have done steroids? Do these studies include them? Does the data you claim to have hidden include them?

>>38634209
confirmation bias

>>38634152
>>38634154
Oh, okay. I didn't realize if you were asking it as a rhetorical question or not.

I'd be interested to see the actual dosages that those body builders injected. My understanding is that the steroids they had available to them were used with a bit more discipline and caution than what is recommended here on /fraud/, but to be honest I also think that looking at pro bb-ers as a "sample group" is skewed since their propensity and natural inclination toward the sport/craft may skew the data by virtue of them having genetics that are better suited or more tolerant of the negative effects of excessive AAS levels.

I'd love to be corrected/educated on this point and the sources posted in earlier posts. I just have a sneaking suspicion that /fraud/ is guilty of /pol/ and /r9k/-tier oversimplification of complex and nuanced topics, except in this case the consequences are more serious.

BTW, I'm not
>>38633998
>>38634124
>>38634199

>>38634228
You said you have controlled scientific studies
I just asked for you to share them

>>38634149
Might see if he will let me be a PT at his gym if I get qualified.
It'd be good to mak that easy PT money on the side

Anybody have any experience with mk-677 and have any tips they could share?

>>38634254
>What happens when you expand "ex professional bodybuilder" category to include all the athletes that have done steroids? Do these studies include them?
You're not expanding on anything retard you have no proof of anything you're claiming. To what if you must first have some facts to base ypur claims on. You're ASSUMING some percentage of them on roids which you first must pull out of your ass to do then you're ASSUMING they are healthy when they very well could be suffering from ALL KINDS of health problems that they conceal so the general public isn't aware of their steroid use.

Again if you want to CLAIM some percentage of people are using steroids without major healtg issues then THE ONUS IS ON YOU TO PROVE IT. Until you do shut the fuck up.

>>38634280
No I didn't I said the evidence shows steroids are bad for you and you have not provided a single valid counter to the claim.

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MasT is right you are homos

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>arguing with the obvious troll
gosh dangit /fraud/

>>38634295
what do you need to know exactly? just take it

there's nothing you have to be careful about. you may want to take it at night due to the bloating effect but that's about it

>>38634335
I have no proof because it doesn't exist. There is no accurate true studies on steroids use outside of trt studies and even those are a touch dodgy because only the dose is controlled in the ones I have read. You don't seem to be able to produce any information on it either. Maybe you should also "shut the fuck up"
I have not said anything other than asking for you to provide these magical studies on steroid abuse that don't exist and unsurprisingly you haven't produced a single one

>>38634209
Can't get taller, but you can always get bigger.
>>38634246
Go home anon, you're drunk.

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Good job troll
They despise science here and usually mas Kek chimes in acting like the insecure retard he is shutting all objectivity with his super mong style of replying

>>38634426
>I have no proof because it doesn't exist
then shut the fuck up retard

>You don't seem to be able to produce any information on it either
It had already been produced, your unique snowflake opinion on criteria notwithstanding

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No I am not. And I am not big enough

>>38634426
I'm not

>>38634335
>>38634199

but I'm curious as to what you think about the studies cited here:
>>38633670

You say:
>no accurate true studies on steroids use
but the post that started these conversations included tons of sources.

>>38634492
leg veins are gross

>>38634463
>They despise science here
Yep, it's kinda sad that the advice of the posters here is taken so seriously without a good understanding of the long term risks.

Obviously I'm not blaming the posters here - in the end, it comes down to personal accountability. The person pinning himself has to be responsible for his own health.

And the TRT guys on here seem alright since they're not abusing it for the most part.

why the fuck are people so concerned with what roiders are doing?
Why are roiders even replying to the trolls?

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>>38634602
compared to that pic your leg veins barely look disgusting

>>38634597
because fraud always pops up in other threads making a bunch of claims and taunting everyone but always falls flat on its face when questioned beyond the usual insulting banter

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>>38634597
Roiders aren't just doing it to themselves, they're spreading misinformation and mischaracterizing the safety of pretty powerful substances.

People who are responding in earnest are interested (for the most part) in logical discussion of the facts and science, so as to learn and become more knowledgeable, which you obviously aren't interested in.

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>>38634602
Looks like a crackhead from that angle.

>>38633434
>Yarp

Well shit I was going to buy some from a lab to try first (never used mast) but I might as well drop the same amount on raws and do it myself.

>>38634640
>that pic
lmao

It's been mentioned a little in my research & you guys sometimes discuss it

if you're on the roiding your muscle is growing faster than the tendons & joints can handle it right? what do you do to deal with that?

>>38634514
because those studies are bad and assume everyone is a retard. there are no good studies on steroids, period.

the study even says
>At present, it is difficult to estimate the prevalence or severity of cardiovascular pathology in older AAS users, since there are few empirical studies.

but let's look at it for a quick second

>Supraphysiologic doses of AAS appear to produce a range of adverse cardiovascular effects, including hypertension
yeah, no shit. that's why blasts only last 3-4 months, then you either PCT or cruise for 3-4 months for lipids to go back to normal. it's trivial to find out if you have high bp.

>cardiomyopathy
>left ventricular hypertrophy
yeah. we know. that's why you HAVE to do your cardio when on gear. this isn't something that pops up 20 years later, it happens very quickly if you're doing it wrong.

>dyslipidemia (increased low-density lipoprotein and decreased high-density lipoprotein cholesterol, with potential acceleration of atherosclerosis)
see first quote.

>myocardial ischemia (Mewis et al., 1996)
let's look at the study
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8821428
> This young patient had a history without any coronary risk factors, but with a 2-year abuse of the anabolic steroid stanazolol.
2-year-long blast of winstrol. s i g h. those are the studies quoted.

I'm not gonna keep going because this is a waste of everyone's time. that's why the other guy is a troll... that or he's just stupid.

>>38634704
>implying anyone here does under 8 reps

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>>38634704
>2-year abuse of the anabolic steroid stanazolol

>>38634704
increase the weight by how much you would as a natty. you should know how much your body can handle because you aren't a beginner (right?)

go for more sets instead of higher weight

>>38634713
Fair enough, thanks for breaking it down a little.

Hadn't really heard of cardio fixing LVH and stuff before but you've given me some points to look over and research. Thanks for taking the time to look into it.

What surprised me about the paper was that it wasn't even concerned with HPTA shutdown and stuff like that because that's interestingly one of the steroid "boogymen" that I'm not that concerned by (due to doing enough research and also that one study with Chinese dudes cruising for 6 months to determine efficacy of AAS as birth control) and recovering just fine.

I think the other guy was just going overboard with shill tactics without trying to learn anything.

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>>38633220
My e2 is at 70, and T at 1500. That's from sust250 every 4 days. How bad is this?

>>38634713
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9717856
>Testosterone is the preferred ligand of the human androgen receptor in the myocardium and directly modulates transcription, translation, and enzyme function. Consequent alterations of cellular pathology and organ physiology are similar to those seen with heart failure and cardiomyopathy. Hypertension, ventricular remodeling, myocardial ischemia, and sudden cardiac death have each been temporally and causally associated with anabolic steroid use in humans.

Are you saying cardio while on cycle ameliorates all these issue?

>>38634800
it just means you need to use your ai. aromatization is normal and completely person specific

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So on the r/sterons wiki it says it takes 6 weeks for the effects of test e to kick in. Is this right?

Where can I read about this. Thanks

>>38633692
If you think roids are bad then don't use them, why do you spend the time of day to come argue with people you dont even know on the internet?

>>38634896
steroidcalc dot com

>>38634896
>6 weeks
what the actual fuck

reddit is a bunch of fags that never did roids

>>38634910
To learn. I'm open to be proven wrong. At least one person >>38634713 took the time to help me understand potential shortcomings with the studies and now I have something else to think/learn about.

Why do YOU spend the time to post a reply to someone you think is stupid or wasting there time?

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>>38634830
that's only a link to the abstract, the study itself is paywalled so I can't comment on it, sorry.

the wording is surprisingly similar to the previous one, so I would assume the myocardial ischemia is again a link to the one guy blasting winstrol only for 2 years (wooo great study). I've already addressed hypertension and ventricular remodeling.

the cardiac arrest one is either a reference to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7728810 (sample size of 1! paywalled again, can't see the details) or https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16292586 (sample size of 2! also paywalled)

>>38634968
Thanks for posting the pic, where is that from? Interesting stuff regarding the possibly negative effects on cholesterol form running AIs while on cycle.

Alright, I get the point about steroid studies being flawed now. When the sample sizes are 1 and 2, the conclusions from the studies are just as valid as forum anecdotes (maybe even less valid since forum anecdotes are more numerous and fairly consistent).

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>>38635040
Llewellyn's anabolics. If there's only one thing you have to read about steroids, that's it.

and yup. it's a shame that anecdotes are pretty much the only things we have to go by, but that's the world we live in, steroids-related studies are very very poor

I would love to see a redone version of the famous test no training vs test + training vs placebo + training study with proper methodology, for example.

>>38634916
That site says that Test undec kicks in immediately though. Every other source says this is inaccurate, that it takes a while.

Otherwise why would anyone frontload?

>>38635075
Cool, just got a PDF of it. Seems like the bulk of it is drug profiles, but the intro section looks very good for helping get a baseline understanding of it.

Will definitely be looking into the drug profiles for the reductase inhibitors - that's something I always wanted to learn about a little more in-depth before cycling.

>>38635109
I think you're using it wrong

test undec hits its peak/stabilizes on day 65 if you pin 500mg e7d

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Scaling up my operations.

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>>38635221
making soaps or batteries?

>>38635243

GHB. Tons of it. I usually use NaOH but my sodium intake is excessive.

>>38635257
>GHB
Nice, how hard is it to make?

Are you using it for recreation or for a legit medical reason?

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where do you guys pick up TUDCA from for cheap? even ordering from china it's $2.24/G

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>>38629009
Is running test and cutting a smart idea? or is it really only smart to do it while bulking?

>>38635428
test doesn't help cutting, all it does it stop muscle loss while you're cutting,

don't blast/cycle while cutting, that's a waste of time (gotta wait before your next blast) and gear. you can while cruising though.

>>38635428
post bf%, height, age, and T levels (if you know them)

if you don't know bf%, post weight

basically it's better to not run test unless you're at a decent bf% to prevent excess aromatization

do you know how to lift/train/diet?

there are rarely one-size-fits-all answers

>>38635460
oh and also the obvious aromatization problems that arise from running high amounts of test with high bf%

>>38635075
>it's a shame that anecdotes are pretty much the only things we have to go by, but that's the world we live in, steroids-related studies are very very poor
steroid studies aren't very poor and you need to shut your fat fucking face until you have more than anecdotes you shit eating faggot

>>38635483
just got done with my first real bulk, was 185 at 5'8, now at 171.5. been cutting for like a month and a half so far. Still a chubby wubby but i have some sort of foundation underneath that i'm trying to dig toward. goal is to hit 150-155 and see where that puts me, then figure out what to do then. no idea what my test level is, but gonna get some bloodwork done sometime soon to figure it out.

new to the whole roid idea, but i've seen so many promising results i'd like to try it out.

>>38635522
then the answer is no, you shouldn't roid

fork putdowns for you

>>38635530
yeah no shit. been lifting for 3 years but i'm just kinda now figuring out the diet part.

thanks for the reaffirmation though.

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>>38635362

It's easy as fuck. I've been doing it for a year for me and all my friends. It's not difficult at all but you do get better at making it cleanly and consistently.

It has medical use?

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Im trying to plan my first cycle. My plan is either 100mg or 250mg test & 100mg deca once a week each for 8 weeks, then nolvadex for 4 weeks after the steroids are out of my system. Is this a good first cycle? Is this the right place to post this?

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>>38635582
A family friend gets it prescribed for insomnia.

FL?

>>38635582
Are the precursors legal to buy or do you get it darkweb or something?

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>>38635522
Get your T levels checked man. I'm 5'8" too and about 175 now (down from 185 after an 8-month bulk).

Also check your bf%. Use something like pic related at least. Your gym probably has one.

The more data you have the better you can plan your cut and the start of your cycle.

Word of advice on the cut, don't just drastically cut 1000 calories out of your diet, try and taper it down. I went full retard and went from eating 2800 maintenance to 1800 during the cut and while it is effective at making weight melt away, I think a fair amount of that is muscle weight (even with adequate protein) and there are a lot of unpleasant mental/motivation sides.

Keep lifting and keep your intensity up - volume can go down as you feel is appropriate. I think you'll feel a lot more assured when you have access to the numbers I mentioned (bf% and T levels) and you can plan your cycle timing and style accordingly.

If you've been lifting for 3 years you should have a good base of muscle unless you're low T. I've read that if you're low T then hopping on gear at a cruise dose while you have some bf is slightly excusable so you don't lose all your muscle during a cut. But don't quote me on that, I'm not so sure that the estro sides would be worth it.

>>38635582

>>38635582
Yeah, bodybuilders claim that it releases GH, promotes restful sleep, and maybe reduces cortisol. I think the GH thing is true (search "GHB and growth hormone") but the cortisol thing might be bullshit.

So you make K-GHB as opposed to Na-GHB? I'm familiar (in theory) with the method involving lye (NaOH) and lactone to make GHB. But the whole thing kinda spooks me because I don't understand how you know that the NaOH/KOH is completely used up. Purely based on pH?

I read a recipe where you try and adjust the pH using vinegar once the reaction is done and it just came across as shady but there might be a valid chemistry reason to do so. Not sure.

Also I've read that GHB by itself causes an increase in intracellular K. Wonder if K-GHB exacerbates this?

Finally, ever try/make GBL?

>>38635582
bro are you raping girls

that's not okay

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>>38635582
I've read for recreational effects that taking GBL (which is what I assume you're using as a precursor) is just as good if not better than making GBH because it gets converted into GBH in your system (GBL being a precursor). The only reason it's converted into GBH is for easy transport iirc.

Do you use GBL as a precursor? Ever try to use it as a standalone?

>>38635748

It's a miracle drug, imho.

FL = Florida? Fatlifts? No and no.

>>38635792

The hydroxides are legal, I purchase them on amazon/ebay.

GBL is controlled in most of the world. I purchase it from darkweb. Be careful, Chinese sources are occasionally seized (to no consequence, but it still sucks). European sources are more consistent with delivery but the vendors themselves are paranoid dicks in my experience.

>>38635802
>Word of advice on the cut, don't just drastically cut 1000 calories out of your diet, try and taper it down.

Been down that road. It was fucking shit. I'm trying to maintain the strength i gained on that bulk. So far so good. Only strength i lost was on my diddy, but i'm okay with that.