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>>38608950

can someone explain this study? I don't trust OP's interpretation

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When you add up all the factors it becomes rather obvious

>dat massive t spike after 7 days
>dat der long term proof in OP
>the improved sense of well being

No other studies look at long term t gains yet they try and conclude that they've objectively concluded that nofap doesn't boost test when it really is the total opposite.

But how long did they no fap? A week? Month? Forever?

>>38609033
yes, forever, the trial is still ongoing and is due to end never >_>

>>38609033
The men with primary impotence may not have ejaculated ever suffice to say a long ass time on average.

>>38609060
>>_>
Get out.

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It's also interesting that the value derived is an average and knowing a thing or two about primary impotence, a small but significant percentage of those men may have had exceedingly low t levels from hypergonadism, driving the average down further. Meaning that not fapping could boost t levels even higher in healthy male.

>>38608950
>implying no fap isnt just bullshit propagated by religious christian fundamentalist groups
>inb4 some retard replies to me saying B-BUT UR IMPLYING BECAUSE ITS CHRISTIAN ITS BAD

no, it's not bad because it's christian. It's bad because there is no legitimacy to their claims besides IF U MASTURBATE YOU GO TO HELL

>>38608950
Anyone got the gif of this guys haters gonna hate walk.

>>38609114
>I don't know what central limit theorem implies

>>38609301
>I'm going to spout theorems without making a point to avoid doing any actual work

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>PORN
>Being stimulated by an inanimate object, that can neither respond, acknowledge you, understand you, help you, in any MEANINGFUL way
>No opportunity to grow/develop social skills, instead fapping requires seclusion and isolation, rejection of outside world to have an internal moment
>No use of imagination, no growth of mind, constantly imagining and visualising what you've seen instead of creating new things in your mind.

>NO FAP
>Can see things as non-sexual, instead of EVERYTHING SEXUAL
>More energy for other tasks, rather than MAKING TIME TO SIT IN FRONT OF SCREEN FOR 10-20 UNINTERRUPTED MINUTES
>Better self awareness, instead of HUNCHED OVER COMPUTER ON YOUR OWN

My balls hurt really bad when I don't fap

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Short term abstinence (3 weeks) slightly increases testosterone.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788

Study shows increase in testosterone on a 7 day timespan spiking at 145% at the 7th day.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241

Most noticeable part!:
After multiple ejaculations or 'sexual exhaustion' there is a significant decline in androgen receptors in the brain.
not only that but there is an increase in estrogen receptors.

decrease in androgen receptors:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6536830_Relationship_between_Sexual_Satiety_and_Brain_Androgen_Receptors

increase in estrogen receptors: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17239879

What this drop in androgen receptors effectively means is that you won't get to fully use all your testosterone, you can get some symptoms of lower testosterone even if it's high.

These receptors will go back to normal balance when you abstain from ejaculation for a while and your body can utilise more of your T. This probably explains the increase in confidence, less anxiety etc. and many of the 'superpowers' people are experiencing while no nofap.

This reduction in androgen receptors and increase in estrogen receptors that happens when you jerk off too much is perhaps the most important bit, the way I see it.

What this tells us in theory is what many of us have already advocated on this forum; if you ejaculate one single time, and go right back on a streak, it will not crush your 'superpowers', but if you binge, that most definitely can and probably will. So if you relapse after a 3 week streak, don't beat yourself up about it, you're making amazing progress, just keep going.

>>38609558
Guess I'll give it a try. I hope I don't force myself on someone

Fapping every 2 days is good for test. NoPorn is VERY good for test.

The more we talk about it the more I want

>>38609558
So how does this addup with the study that said having sex increases testosterone?

Does this mean I have to stop having sex?

>>38609660
Cite the study, pretty sure it was just clickbait. It's also possible that any testosterone boost from sex is related to the lack of stress. It's pretty well known that stress lowers test.

>>38609558
please explain what you mean by binge vs relapse.

How are they not the same?

>>38609948
relapse you knock one out after a long break
binge you spend the whole sunday jacking off multiple times to porn after a long break

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>tfw nofap won

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they won, /fit/, it's all over

>N=13

>>38611571
>>38611796
Won how? Surely you don't think fucking your own hand daily (or multiple times daily) for a quick dopamine fix is healthy?
The whole mechanism of an orgasm is for the purpose of driving you into having social interaction for the endgoal of procreation, not locking yourself in your bedroom all day and beating your meat to fucked up porn.

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>>38608950
>tfw plebs havent discovered kegels

>>38608950
>Friendly reminder nofap really does work
I haven't jerked off in 4 or 5 days and my testosterone levels are off the chart because of that and the fact that I take test boosters. I am talking to everyone I meet and cracking jokes. But I also know I'm giving off a weird vibe and some agro pheromones. Feeling good but it could go bad If I don't check myself.

>>38611851
what do kegels have to do with nofap

>>38611890
Helps you with orgasm control for when you have actual sex.

>>38611918
did you actually read the post or this thread? people here are doing nofap not for that purpose

People need to know that nofap is more than muh test.

I'm sure some of you like me, have been fapping for 2-3 times a day maybe more for the last 6-8 years maybe more maybe less. The point is it is something normal to fap, but it seems very much i think. Thats why i try to fap at least twice a week on my first day and last day at work of the work week

>>38611943
ESL
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>>38611929
Who cares, learn to into kegel.

They'll help with NoFap anyway if you find yourself edging and need to snap out of it.

IE, you won't bust a nut.

So what about the 2% of fit that actually have gfs? I bang everyday and my test levels are normal?

You autistic dyels really have nothing going on in your life so you even celebrate not touching your dick for a few days? Think about how pathetic it is.

edging and not cumming will fuck up your prostrate

>>38609144

the your brain on porn group which is really largely responsible for propagating the nofap meme on the internet, actually has no ties to christian groups of any kind, fundy or otherwise.

I thought so too, because thats what i was told. Then i actually looked into it, curious how the only places that link the two together is reddit which is full of militant atheists and porn addicts (the two seem to have a great deal of overlap)

>>38611977
[citation needed]

>>38611963
Learning kegels can also make your butt tighter for bottoming

>>38611981
Why are they doing this? For shits and giggles?

>>38611981
Do you see how that parenthetical at the end might undermine the point you're making?

>>38609558
Does that apply to sex as well or just jerking off?

>>38611869
You sound like a dipshit.

If you're relying on T levels to pretend to be normal, you're a pathetic, beta, fag, with no innate social domineering characteristics.

>>38609107
make me 0w0

>>38608950

I just use steroids... any point of being on NoFap if you're roiding?

>>38609033
And what about the healthy males? Did they just jizz 20 times?

Idk man, i usually go out clubbing most weekends and when I do fap before i feel more tired/relaxed and calm. If I don't fap like a week before going out then I feel super horny and have less worries about looking like a slut when im drunk. So like when I don't fap I feel more confident because I don't give a shit I just want to bust a nut, as opposed to when i do fap.

I don't care if its even a placebo, or pseudoscience because it's mostly a mental thing and the mind is so powerful you can bullshit it into changing your reality, so I mean technically even if it is a placebo it still technically works.

When I was playing rugby I'd fap or have sex before a game to get rid of the nerves which helped me play more relaxed and calm and think more clearly resulting in better decisions/gameplay. Being too full of cum made me play way too aggressive and got me tired quicker and made poorer decisions.

I guess when it comes to this subject it's really subjective to each individual. Basically there are no absolutes among large groups, so just take everything in this thread with a huge grain of salt and test it out for yourself. This isn't like weightlifting where 99% of people's bodies/minds will react the same.

>>>/trash/

>>38612186
We'll yeah you haven't been fapping daily for years since you were a teenager so it's easy to just abstain for a whole week

>>38612186
>the mind is so powerful you can bullshit it into changing your reality
it's true. lookup nocebo. the power of the mind is fucking crazy

>>38612222
i've been fapping since i was 12, I'm now 22 and I fapped like at least 5-7 x a week as a teenager admittedly not EVERY single day but I fapped frequently.

It really is easy to not fap for a week, just get off your PC if you can't do that then idk.

>>38612257
hm just quickly skimmed through an article about 'nocebo' pretty cool, applies to a lot of shit in my life.

>>38608950
still okay for chicks right.. :) shlicking won't affect my gains right?

>>38608950
Atheist pronographers BTFO. How will fapcels ever recover?

>>38612343
I'm going tojack off into your pussy

>>38608950
If you fucking retards would just hop on some test like a nigga you could be at 2500ng/dl with a raging cock and greek god bodies.

>>38612396
sorry bro it's no mans land down there.. i shlick to muscle chicks and muscle chicks only.

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i live with a female roommate who walks around in a towel
if i don't jerk off twice a day i'm gonna implode

>>38612462
Well, go ahead then.

>>38612139
No sir, other then glandular exhaustion you are the engineer of your own hormones now!

>>38612436
Jew lesbian, welcome to /fit/!

I let my gf fap me every morning.

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Stumbled upon some pretty thick pictures. I couldn't take it. I was on day three. I can't make it.

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Men used to not ejaculate at all until they got married at 23

>>38613263
they still had nocturnal emissions idiot

>>38613263
I'm not sure I believe that OP

>>38608950
>10% higher test is worth it to lose your fucking mind over

Also I only watch amateur so that I don't support the kikes

>>38613308
there's also shame in having sex with your own hand like a fucking animal just for that dopamine fix all the time bro. don't you have more pressing matters to attend to and a more dignified way to destress?

Yo if you stop masturbating you get really big know what I'm saying bros? Yeah aight niggaaaa

>>38613263
Even after all the bullshit about masturbation making you blind etc, I'm sure most kids masturbated. The urge is too strong

does it count if i jerk off but don't semen?

>>38608950
Is fit retarded enough to believe that this little additional amount of test makes ANY difference?
You won't feel it, notice it or benefit from it at all.

>>38613339
I'm not perfect, never claimed I am.

There's a lot worse ways to destress too.

I'm 26 years old and I find that my erections are weaker and weaker. Probably from using a death grip to jack off daily for 15 years. Nofap will help to restore your sexual function if you're like me and abused your dick on a daily basis for one and a half decades or longer.

>>38609011
the niggas who literally can't get a boner have slightly higher levels of testosterone than healthy males. This study is also over 30 years old. I would take the results with a grain of salt.

>>38613364
I really do feel it and I can't not do it when it makes such a noticeable difference.

>>38613394
It's not slighty higher, it's significantly higher. And you have no counter to it.

>>38613403
how often do you touch yourself my friend?

>>38613414
Every 4-7 days depending on how much I can stand. You do need to let it out eventually, not just nofap forever, because never releasing actually gives you lower testosterone after 8 days or so.

>>38613435
That sounds like a constant battle. Why not just cum everyday and get it over with?

>>38613403
Well obviously you are running a strong placebo here.
Any doctor that deals with blood analysis and general well being would tell you that such tiny amounts in increased test have absolutely no effect whatsoever.

>>38613456
>tiny amounts in increased test have absolutely no effect whatsoever
brah you're talking to a bunch of people who buy and take 3mh mg of creatine everyday for a theoretical 1% boost in power output only under ultra specific circumstances.

I think that whether there are links to testosterone levels or not, the beneficial psychological effect of nofap is definitely present. Jacking off to porn daily will fuck up your mental state. Moreso if you do it multiple times a day.

>>38613513
Kek. I just can't understand that people go through the struggle of being a horny mess all day for a theoretical test boost that does nothing to them.

It also can't be healthy to be horny all day and surpress the urge of fucking things. It's actually a rather stressful situation for the body, as you surpress basic instincts.
And it's also somewhat depressing to be diamonds all day because of hot bitches and not being able to fuck them.

I mean, when you are like 40-50 it probably won't matter. But when you are in your prime ages you should have a healthy sex drive even when you fap daily.
And if you don't, it goes through the roof.

That is actually what the purpose of no fap was to begin with. It never was about actual health benefits.
It was for people that were scared to socialize and talk to girls. When you are horny as fuck you tend to have a natural drive that makes you talk to girls almost naturally. And if also suppressea anxiety.

>>38613582
>a theoretical test boost that does nothing to them
by that logic, you'd be fine with me lowering your test by an inversely proportionate amount? it dkes nothing, after all....

>>38613582
>It was for people that were scared to socialize and talk to girls. When you are horny as fuck you tend to have a natural drive that makes you talk to girls almost naturally. And if also suppressea anxiety.

Even if it's just for this then it's beneficial for most people on /fit/ (and 4chan in general) knowing how majority of the folks here jack off daily to fucked up porn that is bound to shape your perception of of the opposite sex negatively especially since it's the only "interaction" they have with women.

>>38613625
If you gave me something of benefit in return, sure.

>>38613638
no just like you said, it's nothing. you just will have that much lower test. every day. nothing, right?

>>38613646
Limiting my sex to once a week is nothing?
Get real a little here.

Suggest something of equal value and I would do it.

>>38613655
You're not being offered anything dipshit
The whole point is you get nothing out of it just like you said
You get lower than normal test, directly inverse to what a nofap gains

>>38613655
>>38613677
basically if the nofap test gain in the study is nothing then flip it around, would you call losing that much test nothing as well? i wouldn't.

>>38613677
Let me help you with logic a little:
In order to get this marginal test boost that has no effect, you have to go through the struggle of no-fap. Meaning constantly being horny, having to hide boners and surpress the wish to fuck whatever bitch on the streets.

So if you wanted to lower my test, which would the equivalent of me not working towards the benefits of no-fap, you would have to give me something instead that is around equal to the efforts of maintaining no-fap.

If you were to ask me just to lower my tests for nothing in return, then I would obviously decline, even if the effects are non-existent.
I mean, why would I let you take something away from me for nothing in return?

>>38613357
There was no porn and women were required to dress modestly, for a very good reason.

>>38613409
They have higher test because they can't get boners. Higher test leads to impotence I guess. Meanwhile normal guys who get sex have normal test

>>38613707
I'm sorry but your post makes absolutely no sense. The whole point is you're claiming that it's nothing hence you're not working towards anything and there's no benefit so surely I could just subtract the same amount of test and it too would be nothing.

>>38613726
It would be nothing in terms of effects, yes.

Its a whole different question though. Would you let someone take your 10 bucks for no reason? No you wouldn't, even if it didn't harm you at all.
He would have to offer something or at least appeal to you morally in order to get it.
Same situation here.

>>38608950
What's the point of higher test if you're not fucking sloots? Defeats the purpose of working out since we lift for girls

>>38613742
It's not a whole different question. It's the exact same idiotic statement as yours with inverse values.

>>38613723
right because when you have higher test when you're younger you are impotent....

>>38613749
Answer the question above you fucking retard.
Fucking hell you are an annoying piece of shit.

Are you really too stupid to understand why I wouldn't let you take away something from me for no reason even if the loss of this something wouldn't harm me at all?

>>38613762
it's not a matter of circumstance dipshit

>>38609378
>this
You've never done no fap, as it's pretty much the opposite of what you think.
No fap will make you see everything as sexual dude. You'll pop a boner at nothing.

>>38613625
Your test naturally fluctuates. So as long as you don't inject or fuck up your body it will stay within a certain range which will decrease slowly with age.

>>38613774
You still didn't answer the question. You are an absolute retard.

>>38613790
so you'd be fine with losing an additional 75 ng/dl of test as you age? since gaining that much is apparently nothing, losing that much must not be anything either.

>>38613802
ask retarded questions, don't receive answer. retard is surprised. i'm not.

>>38608950
> get sex all the time and lift weights

> get sex never so that you can lift those exact same weight


Hrmmmm. Tuff choice

>>38613810
Right, it's me the is asking retarded, hypertherotical questions that are totally unrelated, not you.
Just run your stupid no fap and fuck off. Maybe you might get laid one day and then you can think normally.

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>that one guy who comes to nofap to brag about sex

>>38613805
Look, he is asking this retard question again, kek.

>>38613849
it's a rhetorical question retardo

>>38613802
In the endou showed that you actually believe, subconsciously or not, that that test increase is somewhat significant.
I dont know if it it, but you just trolled yourself

>>38613868
It's a stupid question that makes no sense and doesn't proof anything at all.

What you are actually trying to say is that 65 ngl test make a noticeable difference and I would feel and miss it if you were to take it away from me, right?

>>38613880
No, it means that I wouldn't let little dipshits take away something from me for no reason.
You must be a little bitch if you think otherwise.

Go do some more no fap virgin boy

>>38613885
I dunno. Do you feel and miss 3mg of creatine a day? How about a fish oil? Do you think you look significantly more jacked when you make 1lb of progress? I know I do a ton of little things that don't individually stand out but they add up. And I'd take a 10% free test boost any day.

>>38613908
>free test boost

It's not free at all, that is the thing.

And supplementing fish oil and other things regularly has a lot more impact than minimal test gains from constantly following no-fap.

>>38613186
Get back on there, you can do it.

>>38613712
Like that fucking matters. When i was 12 i fapped 10 times a day without any porn or images. I surely didnt need to actually look at a woman to get horny.

>>38612462

Have you fucked her yet

>>38613989
You were 12.

I'm not gonna fap today...

Nofap made less tired and have more motivition. I now only fap like once or twice a week compared to my everyday. I'm glad I did nofap.

>>38613989
I agree when I was younger I was fapping to music videos and thoughts of girls in my class before I had easy access to porn.

>>38614254
Browsing the 'ch0n made less tired and have more motivition. I now only browse the 'ch0n like once or twice a week compared to my everyday. I'm glad I did no-'ch0n.

>>38611981
>(the two seem to have a great deal of overlap)
they are fedora tipping retards that cant get laid?

>>38611977
then dont edge you piece of shit

>>38609011
Primary impotence = Men who were born unable to become erect

Secondary impotence = Men who developed ED over time.