Is this true?

>>38443924
No cuz that women looks like shit compared to that man

To the T

>>38443924
yes
its not fucking fair

>>38443924
>little fats
people still believing in the lowfat meme ohmy

Feel like theyre overestimating what the man needs to look like to count as 'good' to most people

>>38443957
this
we hold guys to standards 100% or more higher than the general population of normies do. We say that hundreds of DYELs look like shit because they arent up to our standards, but in reality they are considered greek gods because theyre skinny and have abs

>>38443951


THIS

tbqfhfamily

well women need to eat less in order to get fat. So it's pretty shitty being a woman because you need to restrict your calories heavily, unless you do a shitton of cardio

>>38443924
No, girls look like twinks when thy dont lift. They either anorexia or chubymode.

>>38444029
You like traps don't you, anon.

>>38444029
>Not liking girls who look like twinks

>>38443997
Wow, how does it feel to be wrong?

>>38443924
Only for girls aged 15-25 that have been blessed with good fat distribution. Otherwise they will look like utter crap.

The guy is too muscley though, I'd say 50% of that guy musculature would be enough to be considered a shredded chad for most women.

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>>38444059
>>38444068

>>38444108
but it's true, women store more fat than men

>>38443924
Yes, but it's fair because during the quest to attain guys shape, the guy acquired the discipline, determination, and patience to maintain his shape... whereas the girl is just going to lose her beauty the moment she hits 30 because she got hers through just finishing puberty. So as long as the guy doesn't shack up with the girl and then wind up having to dump all his gains into raising her kids, everything is fair.

>>38443924
Yes but complaining about it just means you're a fucking fag

>>38443924
And don't forget the T injections.

>>38444784
this.
life is unfair. deal with it.

>>38444784
Edgy kid.

>>38444825
Immature adult loaded with prejudices born out of insecurities.

Well girls also have to have help from genetics. Even skinny girls can have really shit body types. The classic hourglass shape just isn't in the cards for some.

>>38443924
Yep.
Men work longer hours at work.
Have to work harder for their bodies.
Will die an earlier than the human average age of death.
Your death will likely be caused by heart disease (1/4 of all male deaths) with no prior symptoms. Your heart will just give out.
This includes men who are "physically fit or healthy".

Welcome to the real world nigga.

>>38443924
u know whats even more unfair, urban asian girls with flat chest and flat ass and their photos still look good.

To an extent. Girls with truly hot bodies do work fairly hard for it though, lots of cardio, yoga, abs, dumb shit like that. I'd rather lift heavy than do cardio and yoga every day, even if it does take longer to see results

Pretty much, I know so many girls who go to the gym for 6 months, starve themselves enough to have female abs, and then suddenly their entire social media page is #FITFAM #GIRLSWHOLIFT and then a bunch of fucking Herbalife/detox tea bullshit. Like they're suddenly really special

>>38444196
>Not understanding that the law of thermodynamics has no exceptions known to man

>>38446429
>not understanding the differences in fat metabolism between man and woman

To an extent there still is genetics involved.

If they have genes for a pancake ass, apple figure and small tits, that's not gonna change when they lose weight

If they have good genetics than it often is just a case of getting rid of fat and building a small amount of muscle

>>38443924
Stop complaining, this is the natural way of things.

>>38446953
Nigger what? Fat metabolisms? Wtf is that shit? That's not a thing

>>38443924
If you want girls to start approaching you than yes it is true, but its not true when 95% of the time its going to have to be the male to start the conversation otherwise it doesnt matter what your BODY looks like aslong as you have social skills and a face

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>>38446953

>>38446987
Most girls are considered good looking even if they have pancake ass and small tits anon

>>38443951
let them. normies will never make true gains with this fiction out in the world

>>38447062
Maybe to you

>>38447075
Maybe not to me, maybe to thirsty guys online
Maybe ive seen alot of small tittied girls with flat asses and fucked up faces change boyfriends five times over a two year period

Numbers are key and there are alot more thirsty guys looking to hook up with anything and anyone than youd think so most girls will get alot of attention simply for existing

>>38447093
The whole point I was trying to make is that most girls often do not end up looking like the girl on the left just by losing weight.

>>38447105
I dont know about that, where i live (Northern europe) its pretty common for girls to look like that
But sure, youre right that there are hopeless cases for chicks who cant be considered good looking no matter what they do but on average you need alot less effort to look good as a woman

>>38447122
Well, I disagree

>>38443924
yes

>>38443924
not quite, because women almost invariably have substantially lower BMRs than men so they often have to eat considerably less to lose the same amount of weight

>>38446987
similar holds for men too, genetics can be a cunt


for women, losing weight won't magically make you hot

for men, losing fat and gaining a bunch of muscle won't magically make you hot.

will still make you hottER in both cases tho

>>38446429
Both of you are autistic. Neither understands the other because you fail to sufficiently explain.

>>38444108
are you seriously denying that women need fewer calories than women? wtf are you on

>>38443924
No, that guy's in the top 1-5% of men whilst she's in the top 20-30% of women. Lmao at all the incels here who put pussy on a pedestal so much that they honestly think a 6/10 woman is on the same level as a 9/10 man.

>>38447221
Pussy is on a pedestal wether you like it or not, there are thousands of guys showering the most basic cunts with attention so its reasonable to think a girl who is a 6/10 can get a 9/10 because they do
Girls date up all the time simply because there are too many guys

>>38447235
Yes I'll admit that her sex life is probably the same as the guy's thanks to white knights worshipping her and attractive guys usually going for women who are a couple of points lower than them because it's easier but relative to women she's far lower down than he is relative to men.

>>38447247
I dont know if any of thats true
Most guys i know and relate to know that in order to get laid you need to be top of your game and even if you are you can fail
Recently found out girls at my work use to spend weekends together talking shit about guys who genuinly asked them out and laugh at them, these are some basic girls while the guys are good looking, smart guys who work part time alongside their studies

For most guys its selfimprovement or accept not getting laid/a gf ever and for girls its the opposite

yes, its very unfair that there is such a displacement in the dating market where girls hold all the power and guys have none unless you are top 5% in all categories (social status, looks, athleticism, success, mental capabilties etc) but what can you do?
Either drug all the female population to increase their sexdrive or exterminate around 75% of men, both seem equally autistic and impossible

The guy on the right mainlined steroids and some growth hormones and potent fat burners plus had a diet that helped him puff his muscles up.
That's not mentioning the make up and oil on his body and photoshop.
What it would take to get a body like that as a natural is WELL beyond that fuccbois level.
He'd have to start as 15 year old and have an active physically demanding and relatively life up till that point to get anywhere near that amount of mass as a natural man.

No, a natural guy would have been better.

>>38447291
If it takes that much to bang those basic bitches who'll inevitably talk shit then next their ass.

Plenty of club sluts and chicks who're looking to fuck at raves and orgies. Them ho's can have fun with their 50shades of grey and dildos.

Lol fucking 6/10 for her? What the fuck kind of Amazonian country do you fucking live in

>>38447320
It cant be done
Ive been looking to get laid for more than a year and its gone nowhere

There arent enough girls around, most of the ones with an interest are taken already

Example
This girl at work was flirting with me like crazy and not subtle stuff, like straight up suggesting we should do our own porn movie and rubbing her ass on me. Some guys at work tell me i should make a move since she looks at me alot and they notice
I make moves and she flakes every time so i decide she isnt worth the trouble
Turns out she has had a boyfriend all along and never told anybody
This is true in most cases, girls who are semi-decent all have boyfriends already

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU EVEN COMPLAINING ABOUT SHUT UP SERIOUSLY LIFTING IS AWESOME I WILL THINK OF THIS THREAD WHEN IM 50 AND PROPABLY LAUGH SO HARD AT YOUR STUPIDITY THAT ITLL GIVE THE 20 YEAR OLD IM ASSFUCKING BODY DYSMORPHIA (SUPER TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR OFC)

>>38447367
Nigga, do you not understand.
If you want to fuck, go where women who want to fuck are.
Clubs, Bars, Concerts, Raves, Orgies, Twitter, Sex sites, random cute bitches on the street.

If you want to fuck, then go out and fuck.

Work bitches unless they are 100% DTF are there for relationship shit, even then, not many are worth it.

>>38447397
I dont mean to be negative but there arent enough girls around

Simply going out and getting a girl willing to fuck is extremly hard, most are taken already and those that arent are just not interested
Dont know where you live but where i live there is a serious lack of girls

>>38443997
lower metabolic rate comes with a lower appetite obviously and smaller body with a smaller stomach
>bohoo men can eat one more mcdouble than i can
kek fucking women even ranting about how men have unfair advantage even on staying normal weight, bitch just stop indulging yourself with shitty fastfood and snacks

>>38447431

Where do u live

>>38447468
Northern europe

>>38443972
And it will only get easier. Idk how all these people are depressed. If you're not a legit autist, ripped and slightly fit that puts you way way ahead of the pack.

>>38447492
What?
How will it get easier? explain please

>>38447491
Nigga, you aren't in China.
If you said China where the hot Chinese pussy is legit scarce are bumfuck nowhere Australia where the population is 20 and a behatted kangaroo that can talk I'd say "Oh shit sorry my nigga" but you're not.

You're in northern europe, a stones throw away from the porn whore capital of the planet.
PUSSY SHOULD BE ON EVERY STREET CORNER AND BEHIND EVERY BUSH!.

>>38447150
Lower BMR, lower appetite. Some exceptions apply.

In a non-pathological environment, most adults will eat at roughly maintenance and keep a steady weight.

>>38447569
Its a ratio thing, too many guys per girl so most girls are taken already
If a girl has an interest in guys she already has a bf by the time she is 15

Went to a FWB/casual hookup site
75 ads with girls looking for guys, within a day the most recent ad had over 10 000 views and over 100 replies. most dating sites are similar, even the fattest of chicks get tons of attention

>Be better than the competition
Its not about that, its about her ego being boosted through the roof since she knows if i get difficult she wont have to look far for a new guy whereas i prolly wont find another girl

Yeah, im whining because im not happy. I dont feel like im owed anything but it sure as fuck would be nice to actually get a reward for hard work sometime

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Women really only have one injustice to overcome when achieving beauty (when discounting things both genders have such as being ugly):

Fat deposits and where they store, Also known as:
DOES SHE HAVE BIG FUCKING TITTIES OR NAH

This is almost as bad as Manletism in the dating world. I mean seriously, I would never date a girl who was flat or had those dog ear droopy african tittis, NEVER. Titlets BTFO!

Now the difference is that this can be changed! Women can get gorgeous fake tits now a days, they even feel real! It's expensive but at least they have a choice.

For men the great injustices are too many to count, but the three main ones I'd say are
Manletism
Frame
Male Pattern Baldness.

>>38447638
It sucks to not get any pussy no matter how hard you try. That being said, you can either give up and go full monk OR you can keep trying.

Since you're here bitching about not getting pussy instead of out there being the side dick of the wifed up women and girls on girlfriendlockdown then you're not REALLY trying.
Now are you.

>>38447641
Ironically enough, the african women's tits look better and stay perkier longer then women in the west.

All thanks to their bras and healthy active lifestyles. There's a reason the national geographic issues with topless native bitches always sold better then actual porn.

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>>38447641
Also to add on, women with big tits will generally do undeservedly good in the dating scene. Someone like this who looks below average in her face would still land a pretty good guy.

Men don't have anything like that, closest might be height, but it's not like fit makes it out to be where all you need is to be 6'2 and you'll get any girl.

A big titted girl on the other hand will never have to go home alone.

>>38447653
I dont want to give up, im just taking a break and collecting myself and thinking up a strategy but yes, youre right
I need to improve and get laid, only thing i can do

>>38447664
>the african women's tits look better

they really don't, they look fucking gross.

>>38444029
>girls look like twinks
girls look like twinks

>>38447665
Friend of mine works as a stripper and she has plastic tits, she actually said that smaller boobs got her alot more attention than bigger boobs and she never had to go home alone before that either

Big tits are seriously overrated, only girls and a very select few guys care about breast size.

>>38447669
You're focusing on the grannies who've had 8 kids.
Not the vaguely legal in the western world up to 25 year old milfs who've only had two kids.

Awesome fucking tits every time.

I like girls with a little fat on 'em, and wide, child-bearing hips. Love handles and bouncy asses are high test. In that regard, women have a lot less effort to make.

>>38447684
>Here's some white knight anecdotal evidence that contradicts every sexual attraction standard.

"and she said that she never had to go home alone before that either"
Sounds legit. That's very probable that she discussed exactly what anon talked about.

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>>38447684
>12%
Keep dreaming titlet!

>>38447752
Im not a white knight, faggot. get your head out of your ass
Im saying big tits, while a factor, isnt as important as people think it is

You know what the main quality girls who dont go home alone is? Sluttiness and open sexual desire
Big tits are a turn on for some guys but the biggest turn off for all guys is a frigid chick, if she shows disinterest she will be going home alone unless she is super attractive and simply big tits wont make that happen

>>38447684
Yeah, big tits are overblown. No I'm not joking.
Breasts size is linked to certain...sexual identifiers for men, all sizes are loved for one reason or the other. All men have the size preference they are drawn too above all else but all men are drawn to all breasts depending on their mood.

Your friend was simply suffering from the same fear that men have when we think about our cocks.

In a purely practical sense when it comes to actual pnv/a/m/h/t cocksize and breast size do not correlate what so ever.

But when it comes to the sexual visual impact it's about the same.
I would like to go into how porn producers know instinctively that appearance of the penis and idea of it being large or being used in certain ways and wielded by certain men is far more important to women then the reality

Like how Ron Jeremy is played up as this big porn stud from back in the day who's fantasy cock size of 9 3/4(Im actually a half inch shorter in reality) rocked bitches world.
Truth is the guy is barely six inches long and was all hype.

Huge breasts are a bonus and will attract men who are into big breasts first off, guys who're horny will see them as a bonus but will next her in a second if a hotter chick with more modest tits comes along. And the reason why she gets less attention now is because another pair of big tits in a room full of women with big tits is boring. It's even worse if they're bad fake tits.

The one woman with a small sensitive handful of breasts that she's beyond humble about is cute and draws attention.

Will NEVER tell a woman this in earnest because the moment she realizes that she'll get a big head and just become another basic bitch to ignore.

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>>38443924

>GENETICS
>E
>N
>E
>T
>I
>C
>S

If you lift and still don't fill out the L sized shirts then you're a low test beta and genetically inferior to other men.

You can either start injecting test into your ass for the rest of your life and lift twice as hard, or just become a sissy fucktoy that God intended you to be with your weak twink DNA.

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>>38447786
>Pic Related

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>>38447809
Big tits will put a woman at a +2 in terms of hotness. A 5 with great big tits is easily a 7 in terms of league.

>>38447829
Found the pseudo scientist.

>>38447809
>Will NEVER tell a woman this in earnest because the moment she realizes that she'll get a big head and just become another basic bitch to ignore.
Seems thats the case for most chicks anyway

I feel really bad senpai, there is this girl at work who is chatty and wants to talk every day. but she has huge tits and im not a fan
meanwhile all the girls ive met with smaller tits that i like are bitchy as fuck, and i mean they have a massive ego and dont put out
Makes me sad because i want to get my dick wet and they are acting all bitchy

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>>38447880

>pseudo scientist

Just google "low testosterone symptoms" and read about yourself, faggot.

>>38447598
how do you know this? is it supported by evidence in the literature? because i am sceptical

>>38447941
>"low testosterone
Probably no one here has low testosterone bud.

>>38443924
No carbs high fat and protons

>>38447569
I'm from Australia and as a Masters student I still managed to fuck more than one new girl every month when I was single.

>>38447638
you sound like you keep making excuses rather than actually trying, did you know that there are more women than men in teh world? Scientifically you are wrong, there are not too many guys either you aren't trying or your standards are way to fucking high.

>>38447851
Secondary Sexual characteristics that are very pronounced always puts people on a higher tier.

Especially with those who are into larger more pronounced secondary sexual characteristics.

However, personal preference and NOVELTY plays a very big part as well.

The woman in your picture is amazingly hot, BUT, if a woman who has that thing that I find appealing or has a big set of tits and that other thing I find appealing comes along she's just ignored.
That's how it is.

>>38447901
Look, if you want to fuck and the chicks at work are bitches then fuck the nice big tittied girl.
The other chicks, the ones with the more modest bust size that you dig? Unless they have something about them that makes putting up with their shit long enough to cross their down their mile wide bitch moat to get to castle cunny are not worth it.

Fucks sake, there are chicks outside of work dude. Go for them too.

>>38448017
>did you know that there are more women than men in teh world?
Given that women tend to live alot longer thats true, but it doesnt really help now does it?
My standards are the following:
(i) Sex drive, she must have one
(ii) Semi cute face
(iii) Not obese
(iiii) decent personality, as in not overly pretentious, bitchy or stuck up
(iiiii) Single
Still, ive found one girl who fits this description in the past 18 months and she only fit because she was on a break from her relationship with her gf so when she wanted to go back she had to break things off with me
Still think my demands are too high?

To normies, yes.
To anyone even slightly involved in the fitness world, the girl isn't impressive.
Girls still have it easier, but in the fitness community we are relatively even, apart from there being more competition among men.

>>38443924

actually the guy in the pic is also taking several drugs

>>38448025
>Fucks sake, there are chicks outside of work dude. Go for them too.
I doubt it honestly, most girls i meet arent single and if they are there is always a reason for it
I just want to fuck and girls arent making it easy, i dont understand why its so impossible to get laid seeing as how it IS something both parts should want

>>38443924
Kind of
Women spend a ton of time on hair and makeup and all that

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>>38448025
>if a woman who has that thing that I find appealing or has a big set of tits and that other thing I find appealing comes along she's just ignored

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>>38443951
>>38443924

> tfw little fats stealing the spotlight again

t. big fat

>>38448219
What I find personally appealing sexually is more important then big tits.
But if a girl with big tits ALSO has that thing that I find personally appealing sexually then it's a massive bonus.

Get it?
Big tits are hot, but I don't have a particular attraction to large tits so they're just really hot but not a show stopper.
They are a bonus? Get it.

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>>38447569
>You're in northern europe, a stones throw away from the porn whore capital of the planet.

What is the porn whore capital??

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>>38448260
Yeah, they are +2 points like >>38447851

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>>38447055
it's very much true faggot, woman's body is developed like that since they deal with pregnancy shit, so they always have extra fat
I know because I'm a professional rower, having a very easy time keeping my fat at 12%, while women struggle with 20-ish percent

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>>38448260
>Big tits are attractive, but it's only part of what makes a woman attractive.

well fucking duh professor, get checked for autism, nobody but you has ever felt the need to explain this since the beginning of history

>>38448262

i'm guessing somewhere in eastern europe

>>38443924
for starters, you're a fucking idiot. secondly, you need good fats but if you'd been bothered to Google you'd know this

so fuck off you lazy cunt

>>38443997

>women spend half as much money on food

How is this oppression?

>>38446953

It doesn't matter unless women are stupid and eat at a calorie excess. Then fat storage between the sexes can be discussed.

>>38448291
The fuck is that.
The fuck are you doing?
You had no fucking idea what I was talking about a few moments ago.

>>38448507
Because you write like a fucking immigrant, not because it's a hard concept to fathom you fucking retard!

>>38448040
>not overly pretentious, bitchy or stuck up
maybe you want to try being gay, anon, since you described 85% of women

>>38448519
Idiot.

>>38448536
As long as she puts out i can tolerate it, honestly

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>>38443924
The left pic is what happens if you just won't eat.

>>38448615
Untrue

Not all girls need to lift to have a nice ass

>>38443924
The girl on the left looks like an average instagram slut, the guy on the right looks like a greek god. Yes it takes a lot more work but a woman will never reach the perfection of the male physique.
>n-no homo

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>>38448689
>a woman will never reach perfection
You were saying?

>>38443924
The bar to be aesthetic is really higher for males but generally speaking being hot is something that can be overlooked in males while is all-important for females.

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>>38449138
true shit my nigga. I'd never date anyone who's ugly

ALTHOUGH women pass the bar pretty fast. Nice big tits and a great ass and she's rarely ever below a 7.

>>38449118
Not even remotely comparable to a shredded guy, sorry.

guys dont need to lift to "look good" low bodyfat and an attractive face is literally all that is needed

protip: if you don't get female attention, jacked or not, it's because of your face, not body

>>38449300
>I'd never date anyone who's ugly

why not? most women you've fucked have and taken one for the team.

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>>38447397
>>38447397

No man, you're just a pussy. Getting laid isn't really that hard. You're already on /fit, you I'm hoping you have a good body. Pro tip: talk less, speak with your actions.

Play it cool, don't smile too much. Let them chase you. Check out theredpill on reddit. Changed my fucking life.

I used to try so hard, and it would turn girls off. Mind you I was in good shape too. I couldn't understand it. Frustrated the hell out of me, I thought a good bod was all I needed. Nah, girls like fit guys, but they also want them to be cool, mysterious, and not pussies (aka hanging on their every word).

Now, I still approach, but I play it cool. Have fun with the girl, let her talk about herself. Make her work to fin out about me.

Tease them. Treat them like children. Don't take them seriously, and they will LOVE you for it.

>>38443940
/fit in a nutshell

>ITT
>Bitter fedoras complaining about not getting sex

>>38450220

>he's a redpill faggot

Being genuinely nice but not exerting myself to seem nice has gotten my laid tonnes of times. I mean I'm not doubting what you say is working for you but it's not the only way to succeed and certainly not the best for your own ego and world perception by not just treating them as another individual. Don't even mean it in a feminist way but treating women like they're inferior will slowly but surely sap any enjoyment you get out of them from you, and loads of your general life too.

>>38443951
>low fat
>a meme ever
pick one

if one thing has been a meme its high fat low carb

>>38450220
Im the guy he was replying to and ive been to the gym so yeah, im in pretty good shape and had a long thinking session about life
See, i do the stuff you speak of but it doesnt work
I had a girl on a date tell me she wants to see me again simply because she doesnt know anything about me, but the date was a bust since it didnt end in sex
I treat girls the same way i treat guys, i listen more than i talk and ask questions about them but this doesnt translate into sex

I seriously need some help filling in the blanks because im missing alot of steps since aparently talking and flirting should create interest which leads to getting laid
Talking and flirting for me leads to me going home alone

>>38444901

Yeah but at least we make more money.

>>38450242
Relatively speaking

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>>38450341

You're right. It's not like I'm trying to treat them like dogshit. Or negging or any of that other pickup artist fag shit.

I still have 'friends' that are girls, I just don't try to fuck them. They like hanging with me cause I'm fun, I hang with them cause having their positive feminine energy is kinda nice, sometimes. I also frequently hook up with their friends. You just always gotta keep in mind that girls aren't real friends. They won't have your back, will be disgusted by any weakness you show, and in the end just care about social status and are emotional. They can be super kind, but it's just their nature, they can't help it. It's not their fault, and doesn't make them bad people.

Male companionship I find is much more valuable. I'll take a solid bro over any woman anyday. Girls will never know what its like to be with other men on a football team who are truly your brothers. I imagine its the same for soldiers in the battlefield, or engineers trying to revolutionize the world at a startup.

If I'm interested in a girl, I don't try to be their friend. I try to be that hot, mysterious guy they want to fuck. They know what they sign up for right from the get go.

Honestly bro, I am jaded, but it hasn't sapped my fun and enjoyment I get from women. After sex I'll cuddle with them, tease back and forth. I just treat my interactions with girls as "play." And it's awesome.

I just feel like I understand a little how the world works. Of course, I'm always learning, and not arrogant enough to believe I know everything. I don't, not even close.

I focus on myself, try to build a strong body and make money. Freedom is my main focus. Girls are fun. But they're just girls. There's no point to getting hung up about them, killing yourself over them.

Women don't make you happy. Only you can make you happy.

>>38444840
Faggot and his faggotry

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>>38450374
Hey man, I'm the guy who posted. I really cannot emphasize enough to check out the Redpill subreddit. It really has answers to so many of your questions, it will open your eyes.

I have a pro tip for you, do active dates. No lunch or dinner dates. EVER. Dinner dates are for talking, and even a 30 sec break in convo is awkward. How can you avoid a 30 sec convo break over a 2 hour meal? Impossible.

You're on the right track with treating them like men. But think here, when you hang out with other men, what do you do? Do you ever just go to lunch and talk?? No! That's what women do.

When men hang out we do something. We go paintballing, or rock climbing, or play poker, or softball league, or to the gym.

Do the same with the girl. Invite her hiking, take her bowling, take for a nice walk and get some ice cream to eat as you walk. What you can do depends on where you live and your creativity.

But it makes it fun, avoids awkward silence, and actually gives you conversation as you can talk/tease/play about what you are doing.

Also, don't ask women on dates. Invite them to stuff you "were already doing" (even if its a lie). "Hey, I'm going on a hike tomorrow evening, you should come along" implies you've got a cool life outside of her, and she could be a part of it. If she says no, she assumes you went even if its not true.

It sounds a million times better than "hey, wanna go for a hike?" then asking her when shes free and trying to coordinate. Chances are it will fall through.

>>38450578
In the past year ive had 4 dates
First was with a chick whom ive known since a few years back, she litterally texted that she wanted to bang and asked if i could come over. successful date IMO
Next three were with two diffrent girls and we did Wall climbing, went to a zoo and took a kickboxing class

Still, things didnt go the way i wanted them to and im not averse to touching. I get physical and they dont seem to mind, quite the opposite but i cant stress enough that these dates ended in failure.

TRP is something ive visited but it doesnt help at all, seems like im missing something because i do exactly the same things they suggest and still i fail miserably.

>In my limited experience of X girls, Y was the case, thus Y must be the case for all woman!
Damn this thread is depressing shit. You people are supposidly the top of the top build-wise and yet you're sitting here being the saddest cunts about literally nothing.

>>38443924
Yes, however left requires massive amounts of luck, while right is obtainable from any man who is willing to work for it. Basically if you don't get born with her frame and breast size you will never look like her. At least guys CAN look like him if they put in the effort

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>>38450687

Maybe you just need to escalate. If you're having fun with the girl. You're touching her when you speak, she touches you back when you say a joke. She's down.

You gotta go in for the kiss as soon as possible. If the date's going well, but you fail to escalate the girl thinks:
a) what a pussy, he couldn't even make a move! Good thing I didn't sleep with him
b) He didn't make a move. He must not like me!

You gotta escalate and keep pushing. You don't ask to kiss her. You keep escalating until she stops you. If the kiss is succesfull, grab her ass right away. She may push your hand away. Whatever. Do it again 30 seconds later. She may push your hand away again. Whatever, feel up her stomach, maybe her neck for a lil, then go for the ass again. If she stops kissing you, you've gone too far. If she keeps kissing, you're gucci.

She just may not want her ass grabbed in public, or right that moment cause it turns her on too much, etc. Maybe she's a prude. Point is, she at least knows you like her, and that you have balls.

You can kiss her at any time in the date, in fact, its best to do it as soon as possible. This clarifies for both of you where you'e at. She's happy cause she knows you like her, and impressed cause you went for it without giving a fuck. You're happy because you're not stressing about when the perfect moment to make a move is. (Hint: the best moment was 30 seconds ago).

And there is no right way to go for the kiss. Sometimes I just say "you're cute" and pull her in for the kiss. You can just have met her 1 minute ago, but if she thinks you're cute she'll go with it.

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You can literally say ANYTHING, and if she's down she won't question it. I've literally pulled off the kiss on strangers by saying "You like pancakes?" She'll say yes, and i pull her in for the kiss. If she says no, I say "wrong answer", then go for the kiss. It sounds retarded, because it is, but she's not responding to your words. She's responding to your actions.

And sometimes, especially if you get a quiet moment of deep eye contact (aka a break in the convo), it's best to say nothing at all. You gotta judge the situation.

And you will be rejected. I've been rejected a million times. You gotta learn to not give a fuck. You gotta understand girls have weird attractions, moods and emotions. The type of guy she wants might change by the hour. You're not always gonna be that, and that's okay.

One last thing I want to say, this may be the most important thing of all. That is:

HAVE FUN WITH IT

If you're having fun, so will the girl. Girls don't think about the future, they live in the now. And like kids, they just wanna have fun (Cyndi Lauper had it right).

Flirting is fun. Talking to girls, playing with them, teasing them is fun. Kissing them and fucking them is fun.

If you're stressing about what to do, trying to follow some formula. She'll pick up on it. It won't be FUN. YOU won't be FUN. Ever wonder how hot girls could date a fat, ugly mofo? It's cause he's a fun guy. He may have lots of friends, the best stories, total charisma, connections at all the fun bars. But above all, he is fun.

A guy who is both fit AND fun (super rare) is like their unicorn. You are a drug to them, they literally cannot help themselves.

Put in the effort. You didn't get your body right away. It took time and discipline. Over time you'll get better and better. Eventually it will become second nature. But it won't ever happen if you don't get out there and try. And try. And try. And try. Then after that, try again.

So get the fuck off /fit and get out there.

>>38443924
got a new gf that has trouble with something I dont know. when we are drunk we fuck like rabbits, but sober...
she doesn't like making out, just normal kisses. she doesnt respond to any touching on boobs/tits/neck/whatever when I kiss her

how the fuck do I initiate sex. is strange to just straight up ask her

>>38448040
>she was on a break from her relationship with her gf
wut

>>38448536
The good ones know to rarely pull that shit up

>>38443957

true, he just has to not be a manlet.

>>38449785
This. Most women cant really gain much from working out, besides just losing body fat. Men can push their physique much farther.

>>38443924
If you think no ass and no tits is attractive, sure

>>38443951
fatlets, when will they learn.

>>38450220
that literally doesnt work if you're ugly and have no social status, and places to go and if girls where you live are sexually dead

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>>38450488
>>38450578
>>38453269
>>38453409
Dude, you're just someone that was lucky enough to be born attractive, with good body genetics and brought up in a way that gave you charisma/social intelligence.
I read your posts and I see nothing but obvious shit, that I knew even before reading some numale faggot redpill reddit, but that doesnt work for me
You are spoiled and you think you are "wise", but instead you're a naive lucky guy.
seriously, reading your posts is cringe inducing
go back to your happy lucky life and stop posting here

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>>38453491

Your girlfriend isn't attracted to you.

It's that plain and simple. A woman does not pull away from a man who she's attracted to. A woman ACTIVELY wants to have sex with a man she's attracted to.

I'm giving you tough love, cause I've been there bro. Couldn't figure out what I did wrong. She just didn't like me anymore, but didn't want to leave till she had a better option.

Know how I know I'm right? Cause she only fucks you when she's drunk. When she no longer cares who's dick it is. You might as well be jabba the hut then.

She drinks as a coping mechanism, because fucking you repulses her. (Not trying to be mean, just calling it how it is).

I may sound cruel, this may make you angry. As men, we must look at thinks rationally, even if it involves unpleasant emotions.

Look at it logically:

She's not fucking you, which means she's not in the relationship cause she's attracted to you. If she's still your girlfriend she must get something out of it. Think really hard, what does she get?

a) emotional support - does she whine about her problems and you sympathize? Congrats, you're one of her girlfriends, or the gay best friend
- Money - You drive her to work? Pay for bills? Meals? Gifts?
- Attention: Does she hate being alone? Are you constantly giving her attention? You're now the family cocker spaniel

I don't know her, but you do. Think real hard, anon.

Girls want to chase a man, follow his lead. That's why men must approach, that's why men must make the first move. That's why they can't decide where to go for dinner, they want US to decide. It's just how they are.

You're chasing her. She sees you as weak and needy (I'm not saying you are, just how she sees you-otherwise she'd be fucking you).

She wants to chase a high value man. No high value man asks and begs for sex. He takes it. You are a beta in her eyes. She can't be attracted to a beta, ergo she only fucks you when she's drunk.

(CONT)

>>38443924
>"IT'S NOT FAIR"

Bitch I enjoy every single second I spend at the gym

>>38443940
You're gay.

>>38443972
What is your high standard then?

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>>38454017
The only thing you can do is break up with her. Your relationship is already over. Any girl who calls herself your girlfriend but refuses to fuck you doesn't respect you.

And ya know why? Cause she knows you don't have options. Why would she bother? You're the shmuck dating a girl and giving money and attention to a girl who doesn't reciprocate. Relationships are give and take. Ask yourself how much you give, and how much she gives back. Why would she end a great deal that's free on her end.

If you break up with her, you show her you DO have options. You're a man who won't stand for disrespect. She'll probably be angry. Wouldn't you? You get all this great shit for free and it suddenly ends?

If she's sad, or even cries. That's better. She may fuck you then, cause she realizes she's gotta give back for it to work. Good, that means she respects you. You no longer let her walk all over you.

But the sad thing is? You won't do it. I've seen this tragedy a million times. You're so hung up on this one pussy (that you never get to touch btw), and fail to realize there are thousands just like it, if not better, all around you. But that's scary, isn't it? What if you can't get laid in the future? Better to take this horrible deal and hope that every once in a while you get some pity starfish sex.

So since you're too big of a pussy to end it, I'll tell you the next best thing to do.

Game her. Be cold to her. She doesn't perform her duties as girlfriend? Don't perform your duties as a boyfriend. Quit sympathizing with her stories. Quit trying to kiss her. Quit asking for sex. Spend time outside the house on a hobby. Don't do any favors for her. Don't cook for her. Don't clean her dishes.

Let her see you texting on your phone. Imply you might have someone else.

You know what that does? It makes her think you have options. It instills the dread that you'll leave her for someone else. Then she'll fuck you, I guarantee it.

>>38450390
Don't trigger me.

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>>38453997

You're right. I am lucky. I am extremely lucky. But I'm not lucky because of my genetics, I'm lucky because I woke up and realized that if you want something, you have to work for it. You have to suffer before reaping the rewards.

However, it wasn't always like this. You're acting like a woman/child (same thing). You're only seeing the results, and not all the hard work that went into getting there.

Every man on this earth has potential. However, some will have to work much, much, harder to realize their potential. It isn't fair. But fuck you, life is the most unfair thing there is.

I used to be a fat piece of shit with no friends. I was miserable. Terrible hygiene. Why bother, right? I was invisible to girls, guys wouldn't associate with me for fear of tainting their social status.

And just like you, I was MAD. Mad at all the guys who got girls. Not just the jocks, even the skinny nerds could pull women. Mad that I had acne, and a double chin and man boobs. Mad that this shit was all so unfair because I knew I was a good person.

And I sulked in my anger and sadness for a long time. You know what you do when no one talks to you? You observe.At first things don't make sense, but little by little patterns start emerging.

Most guys, at least most of the cool guys, are skinny. If they're buff, they may not be cool. But they get respect. And girls seem to like them.

So I decided to emulate them. I lost a lot of weight in high school. It wasn't easy. I also started working out. Results were slow, and felt like giving up so many times, but I kept trucking.

I lost the weight, and got in okay shape. And you know what changed? Nothing. Girls still ignored me. I still couldn't talk to people or make friends.

But I kept observing. I realized the importance of eye contact. The importance of a masculine frame and posture. Of not showing weakness in front of girls. That making them laugh made them like you. (CONT)

>>38443924
Yes

Men have it hard and shut up
Women have it easy and complain
such is life...............

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>>38454475
>But I kept observing. I realized the importance of eye contact. The importance of a masculine frame and posture. Of not showing weakness in front of girls. That making them laugh made them like you. (CONT)
Literally confirming what I said

>You're only seeing the results, and not all t
he hard work that went into getting there
we both did the work, you were lucky enough to get something out of it due to circumstances, I wasnt

>>38453997

I still didn't get shit in high school, but I decided when I went to college I'd reinvent myself. What did I have to lose?

When I got to college, I kept lifting. I get a pretty decent body. Not great, but enough to not be a fatty. Skinny ripped, ottermode style.

I started talking to people. And I failed miserably. I was a goddamn autist and I have so many cringe moments from that time. But I just kept trying. I wasn't born with social intelligence, I had to learn it.

I realized the importance of eye contact. Not to talk about myself. Ask people about themselves, learn about them, try to make sometype of connection with what they were saying. Respond positively, and keep leading them on with questions.

I learned that when people point their feet away from you, they want to leave the convo. When girls play with their hair, they're attracted to you (learned this by watching girls do it with other guys).

That the guys that are dominant and don't give a fuck get the girls. The guys who were friendly and tried to talk about emotions, or "be supportive", or "be friends first" always failed.

And again, I emulated the guys who were succesful. I started working out, HARD. I wanted to be dominant. I started dressing well. I kept getting better and better at convo. The first time I told a joke, and people genuinely laughed, I was in disbelief.

Holy shit. I could do this. I was rejected a million times, but I learned. Eventually lost my virginity, and just got better and better till I got to where I am today.

So why this long, dumb story? You may be dealt a shit hand, you can choose to accept and sulk, or you can do something about it.

You can complain about genetics all you want. You know who has terrible genetics? Donald Trump, ass ugly, fat, gets cosmetic surgery to cover up his balding. Know who else is ugly? A$AP Rocky, and Marylin Manson. Jack Nicholson, and that biker at the bar with the tats. And they all pull mad bitches.

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>>38444315
BLOODY DAMN UNFAIR INNIT

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>>38443924
>She's shaped like rectangle and has shitty, skinny thighs. Hardly ideal.

>>38454653
you gotta be fucking shitting me

>I realized the importance of eye contact. Not to talk about myself. Ask people about themselves, learn about them, try to make sometype of connection with what they were saying. Respond positively, and keep leading them on with questions.
>
I learned that when people point their feet away from you, they want to leave the convo. When girls play with their hair, they're attracted to you (learned this by watching girls do it with other guys).
>That the guys that are dominant and don't give a fuck get the girls. The guys who were friendly and tried to talk about emotions, or "be supportive", or "be friends first" always failed.
>And again, I emulated the guys who were succesful. I started working out, HARD. I wanted to be dominant. I started dressing well. I kept getting better and better at convo. The first time I told a joke, and people genuinely laughed, I was in disbelief.
as I said, but you're probably talking to yourself with your talking points and not even reading my posts, this is literally all stuff I tried, and it didnt work. Because of a mixture of my looks, character, position in social circles and where I live and how people are here.
Still, you dont get it, it's kind of cringe to keep reading you say all this shit that you think is eye opening while in fact it's the most obvious shit

You can complain about genetics all you want. You know who has terrible genetics? Donald Trump, ass ugly, fat, gets cosmetic surgery to cover up his balding. Know who else is ugly? A$AP Rocky, and Marylin Manson. Jack Nicholson, and that biker at the bar with the tats. And they all pull mad bitches.
funny how you list all rich and successful people, 2/10

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>>38454653

Because they decided to be awesome. They didn't give a fuck.

So what I'm saying is, go be awesome man. That might mean starting a business, doing a hobby, making music. I dunno. Girls like awesome guys so be an awesome guy.

>>38454653

You make the mistake of thinking you've done the work. Sure you may have a good body, and helps, but it isn't everything.

I'm sure you've made a shit ton of effort. What I'm saying is keep it up. Don't mope. The results will come. You don't lose until you give up.

I'm doing okay, but everyday I'm still putting in work. I have bad days, and good days. I try to learn from both. Observe what works and emulate it. That's how you build a great business. It's how I finally had success with women.

You may think I am spoiled. I am, now, cause it isn't so difficult anymore. But I promise you, you can do it. Observe, emulate, execute. Execute some more, then some more. It isn't instant but I promise you it will come.

Anon, you have a good body. This is why I know you're not doome. Was it easy getting that body? It took a shit ton of sacrifice, discipline, time, and delayed gratification.

Apply those same principles to your quest to get girls. You clearly already have them. Use them. You will succeed. It may take a very long time. Don't feel sorry for yourself. You're better than that.

You're a man, and a man creates his own destiny. Whatever you want that to be, you can achieve it if you put the work in.

Be that making money, getting a good body, getting girls, etc. You can do it, but it won't be easy.

>>38454707

Can't help you if you won't help yourself. That's the last thing I'll say.

Whine and feel sorry for yourself all you want.

Or keep trying. Make a shit ton of money, join new social circles, do something. Anything, bro

Cause you already know, no one in this life cares about you. No one in life will give you jack shit.

You are alone. Which also means you are free to do whatever you want and be whoever you want

>>38454792
You literally havent read one word I wrote this whole thread and have just been spouting your trp talking points.
You're naive, I dont wish you ill will, I wish you self awareness of your luckiness and reality

>>38454653

You still sound autistic. Lighten up, there's more too life than trying to get your dick wet.

Squats and Oats bro

>>38444059
who doesn't?

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>>38454707

>Rocky
>Ugly

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>>38444901
>heart disease

Which would be drastically reduced if you FUCKING FAGGOTS STOPPED THIS KETO BULLSHIT MEME DIET

>>38456563

Nobody does keto anymore, vegan is the new meme diet that gets shilled here now.

red pill dude is posting so much truth it's not even funny. he basically summarized 85% of the worthwhile shit from the subreddit in an easy to digest way

>>38455055
Straight Men.

>>38456167
hes fuckin hideous brah...

>>38443924
women just don't eat too much is this nigga serious..

>>38454707
ASAP rocky is a literal 10/10, you could have picked literally any other rapper who pulls mad bitches to backup your statement but you literally picked the single one which is a male fashion icon and pretty motherfucker

>>38444126
:(

There are some strange images in this thread

>>38454858
how is he lucky...?

>>38454169
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>38443924
>>38443924
You need to eat at least three proteons.