self improve general /sig/

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>>38248755

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>>38248763

>>38248718
>self improve general
>aka weird autistic kids in their early 20's general fascinated with trying to '''improve''' themselves by reading a variety of shitty books

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Collection of short stories, but pretty good

The Alchemist is also pretty damn good if are into the idea of destiny vs free will

>>38248808
>let's say something against people who want to improve themselves

pretty pathetic my friend.

>>38248718
I've been reading some philosphy recently to get those ethical gains. Started with plato's the republic and I am slowly reading through the wisdom of the Greeks.

>>38248808
It's pretty much a known fact that most succesful people read a lot of books, especially biographys and self-improvement books

It's about collective learning, meaning that you learn from your own life and then by proxy through others, since you really can't learn everything by yourself.

So I agree that if you read these books hoping they give you some magic answers to your lifes problems, you are doing it wrong

>>38248845
>Successful people shit while squatting ontop of the toilet every day
>Surely if I do this I too will be successful

>>38248851

vs shitposting on a Peruvian poplocking network, seems like a better use of my time?

>>38248851
lol

>>38248851
I read because I understand the value in it, not because other people do it.

I just gave you a tangible fact that even you could understand, since you came to this thread to complain

the flinch
Read the flick everyone
Nothing except the flinch worked for me

can someone redpill me on marcus aurelius - meditations?
I tried it a while ago, couldn't understand a word of it. yet it is often considered GOAT

>>38248810
No pdf?

>>38248718
>Make people feel good around you.
Here, summed in one sentence.

>>38248902
take train become okay

>>38248879
>vs shitposting on a Peruvian poplocking network, seems like a better use of my time?
Leaving 4chan, developing interesting and meaningful hobbies, finishing college, beginning a successful career, furthering a successful career, developing relationships with other people, developing and maintaining an adult romantic relationship.

Nah senpai, keep reading Wishing, Want It, Do It or the garbage that is modern philosophy. Bonus points if you read classical philosophy and pretend your woke.

Check out the channel School of Life on youtube, they've helped me more recently than anything else has. They put emotions into perspective very well.

>>38248810
read herman hesse shiddartha
as well as demian

very similar, possibly better

>>38249159

You'll soon realise how preachy and subjective their videos are. A good place to start perhaps, but that's all.

>>38248808
If you can filter out the bullshit and do some research, those /sig/ threads can be a gold mine over the time with pretty great information from time to time.

The Art of War

plenty of non-combat great life advice as well as combat tactics k

>>38248808
i'd say you could learn at least one thing from every single book you read, and reading is a better hobby than playing video games or watching tv.

>>38248718
Very outdated book.
Things that Carnegie did then are common sense now. if you are not a total sperglord that is

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listening to this right now. it's not a self help book but more of a well written summary of current research on why people are happy and how they become unhappy. even so, a lot of conculsions are made, and implementing them helps you keep feels at bay

>>38249270
>Things that Carnegie did then are common sense now.

eh, i think it's other way around. most people are extremely egocentric these days.

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>>38248810
>Paul Coelho

>>38249270
There is no
Such a thing
As common sense
You
Faggot

>>38248902

Read up on stoicism in general and then listen to episode 67 of the history of philosophy without any gaps podcast. It's a good overview that touches on some major themes in his work.

Having a background of plato and aristotle is always helpful, so if you havent read them I'd recommend it, or at least watch some youtube videos or listen to some podcasts to get a general feel of what they're about.

The meditations were basically journal/diary entries from aurelius while on his military campaigns, particularly closer to the end of his life. he's just writing down all the shit he learned throughout his life and addresses common philosophical questions and his interpretationand/or application of them.

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7 habits of highly effective people
Power of now
A new earth
How to steal like an artist

>>38248718
I never see this book posted in threads like this one. This is the book that got me into lifting (without event mentioning fitness) and helped me realize many things about the world and to feel better about myself and other people in general. Don't expect the world but I definitely would regret it if I haven't read this book

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>>38250454
forgot the pic

>>38248872
Hi Rust

I hate these threads because it's only book suggestions. People are reading and not applying what they learn.

I don't want to hear about what book you read, I want to know what your ACTUALLY doing. Are you forcing yourself to talk to people? Did you start meditating? Are you learning a new language? Are you practicing your public speaking skills?

Stop circlejerking about books already

>>38250345
This

What's that book that costs 20k and is about peak athletic performance?

Frank Yang is all you need

>>38250930
I am actually talking to people more. I did start meditating and meditated for 8 months everyday for 15 mins. Stopped in between because of a death in the family. I improved my body language by miles and my voice is also stronger now.
read the charisma myth, no more mr nice guy and models by mark manson. charisma myth is VERY applicable- it takes care of the outer you what you show to others and hence how they perceive you to be charismatic. the other 2 books change your mentality from a negative thinking faggot to has self-confidence and true self-esteem.

>>38250930
Since I posted criticism, I might as well tell you guys what I'm doing.

Trying to improve creativity by forcing myself to write one short story a day

Trying to get out of comfort zone by actually approaching women. Still autistic enough that convo isn't all smooth, but it's getting better.

Started brushing teeth with baking soda and using white strips from time to time. Teeth are noticing whiter from start.

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>>38248872

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>>38249270
Cannot confirm this because it's not true. Remember the story with the maid? Nobody would ever do that so gently and well thought. Also doge is our spirit animal. If you don't believe me then you haven't read the book.

>>38251001

>brushing your teeth with baking soda

are you a fucking idiot, anon?

>>38251141
Blame stupid internet moms and their dumb diy recipes
People use baking soda for everything from washing their hair to whitening their teeth

>>38248810
confirmed pleb

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E Michael Jones is the greatest historian of the modern period

All his books are amazing

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DEUS VULT MAGA MAGA
YES BROTHERS YES
Self iimprovement brothers, we are the future.
Post your routines :

>reading every day ! (self improvement and novels)
>working out
>hiit
>no carbs
>intermitent fasting
>going to church
>no fap
>no porn
>nopillow
>PUA
>no cigs
>no drugs
>little to no alcohol
>socializing ç
>no music
>meditation
>less 4chan
>studying more
>networking
>going to sleep early
>reading the bible
>volunteering
Feels so fucking superior and patrician my friends

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>>38251001
I'll throw in my 2 centz when it comes to approaching women

Get good at reading body language and eye contact. You'll be able to save yourself a lot of trouble just by knowing who you've got a shot with and people who just aren't attracted to you no matter what you say or do.

For conversations I have found lots of success with situational/observational openers and "threading"/staying on opening topic.

And for what it's worth I've seen more men get shot down by women just by opening their mouth. If I had to guess they come off like an annoying sales man and they're not interested in anything they have to offer. Nothing you say or do is going to turn someone on who just isn't attracted to you nor will you become attracted to an obese woman no matter how much money she will drop on you. So this ties back in with get good at reading body language and eye contact.

>>38248808
you dont take books like these at the whole and live religiously by them. you take out the bits that work best for you.

reading someone else's advice and realizing its shitty advice is just as valuable as reading good advice.

>>38249270
not true

since its just a bunch of books in here..

i have dune burning a hole on my shelf, is it worth the long read?

>>38251253
Asceticism is so passé, anon

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Amazing book, highly recommend

>>38251261
>eye contact
How to get good? I've only started working on my eye contact recently after avoiding it all my life, and it's strange.
Like I maintain eye contact when I talk to someone, and they do it back no problem, and I'm just thinking "what the hell we were supposed to do this all along?"

>>38251253
>no carbs
I seriously hope you don't mean this
>PUA
most of it is trash however I've learned a few helpful little tricks
>no music
lol why? this is like denying the beating of your heart anon

any tony robbins books. eric thomas videos/books.

Guys i just found this youtube channel, the dudes name is "elisha long"
He lifts ans reads its so great, and its a tiny channel so he responds to questions

Total sig, only problem is he ketos

>>38251433
Music is a waste of time, only used by people addicted to constant stimulation

>>38250996
>>38250996
I got charsima myth back when I got into audiobooks. cant remember a thing,might have to listen to it from the beginning

>>38251477
Everything is a waste of time .

Music is a distraction.

>>38251482
lol read it again. worth it.

>>38251477
>addicted to constant stimulation
so literally everybody?

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>>38251428
there are books on this subject and probably plenty of websites and articles out there

Practice by looking in a mirror and try communicating different signals with your eyes and facial expression. It doesn't have to be outrageous... people tend to pick up on very slight queues (such as a smirk or when you squint your eyes)

I personally like holding eye contact to see what type of feedback/expression they will respond back to me with. A great way to create an intimate feeling... it's as if everything else melts away in the world when you lock eyes with someone and the two of you become lost in each other's eyes.

You can play around with this by smiling at people, nodding, winking, rolling your eyes

Princess Diane had excellent body language and eye contact. Notice how she lowers her head slightly while looking up? There is a lot to be said with what she is communicating here...

>>38251477
Welp I better stop breathing air because I'm becoming addicted to that for my own survival. How selfish of me!

>>38251604
whenever i make "eye contact" i tend to focus on one eye. is this noticeable?

i've started focusing on their unibrow area instead.

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>>38251604

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>>38251629
I'm not entirely sure about that desu but I do know that when your eyes start bouncing around a lot from left to right or up and down they tend to pick up on that very fast

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>>38248718
> How to win friends and influence people. Fell for the meme

>>38251378

This is on my nightstand as we speak and is next on my to read list.

>>38251477
Don't listen to these assholes, anon. You're fucking based. It is much harder for us today to get rid of distractions and cheap stimulation, but we have to in order to become mighty creators like our ancestors.

>>38251795
how is music "cheap stimulation?"

music is older than language itself. you're a fucking idiot

>>38251836
music is severely overrated

it's emotional masturbation

>>38251939
you're trying to make your opinion sound like a fact and following it up with nonsense that doesn't even qualify as pseudoscience.

higher evolved organisms naturally respond to beats and rhythm and music has been shown to increase productivity and creativity.

another interesting fact is that people with AUTISM generally don't listen to music.

>>38251978
Pretty sure autists are more interested in music than normies and Chads

YOU sit in your room alone and listen to ALTERNATIVE to increase your PRODUCTIVITY while CHAD goes out and PRODUCES semen all over Stacy's FACE

>>38252008
no, you

>>38251978
They guy you're answering to is not me.
Leonardo da Vinci didn't need earbuds to create masterpieces. The fact we need music to increase productivity shows how sheltered and weak we are in this day and age.

>>38248902
i read it as his personal philosophies, mottos, thoughts on life, all of which were influenced by the stoicism branch of philosophy. It's worth reading since, and even marcus mentions this, he was someone who put his responsibilities first that also loved philosophy and incorporated it into his daily life.

>>38252032
your post doesn't make any sense and you're a fucking retard.

kys

>>38248902
I just started reading it and was just about to recommend it here because of how accessible it feels, considering I know nothing about philosophy. It's a newish translation by Gregory Hays (2002) with a fairly substantial introduction that helps you get the basics of the period, the man, the philosophy and of the work itself. Maybe that introduction is what helped it become accessible, I don't know, but you could give it a shot.

>>38252032
You are seriously fucking brain damaged my friend

>>38252054
It's not my fault that I'm too erudite for you to undestand. Fuck off.

>>38251795
>He thinks music is a modern invention


Oh boy

>>38252137
I seriously hope you're not a day older than 16, cause if you are, I'm serious, there's been something incredibly wrong with your development

>>38252168
No I didn't say that, but when someone of the past wanted to listen to music, they had to actually travel to a cultural place where a whole team of people was involved in producing it. They didn't have it ready on command as we do now

>>38252137
whatever you say, da vinci.

just know that if you say shit like this >>38252032 in public, you are basically telling everybody within ear shot that you are a complete ignoramus.

>>38252188
I don't care what you think of me based on a few posts, buddy

>>38252201
They also didn't have food ready to be cooked in their kitchens any time they wanted
Are you gonna get rid of your fridge?

>>38252201
and that makes it worse why?

holy shit just fucking hang yourself already

>>38252216
That's good then, cause nothing good ia coming to mind
I'm picturing you as that unpleasant weirdo no one wants to be near

>>38251253
Sounds like you are an autistic basement dweller
Half of this list is completely retarded and only antisocial NEETs would consider doing
Just go outside and get a life

>>38252054
>>38252135
>>38252168
>>38252188
Boy oh boy so many ass-hurts I've triggered today. I guess you wouldn't take it very well if I said the degenerate video games are for little kids and watching porn has very negative effects on your endophin stimuli. We do not live in a natural habitat, in the 21st century more than ever, and we must understand what made our ancestors great and how they build the almost utopian safe enviroment which is all we know today.

>>38252234
Children, all of you.
>>38252234
It's a very cheap stimulation that many of us now cannot function without, we cannot get concentrated or motivated by ourselves.
>>38252226
Of course not. But that doesn't mean I'm not aware of how easy our lives are, to the point of decadence.
>>38252242
Whatever I'd write to you, saying that I'm quite the opposite, you wouldn't believe me anyway, would you? So why waste the time

>>38252302
you are actually one of the dumbest "smarties" i've ever seen.

what you really need is a proper education in a classroom environment where people can see you, and call you, on your stupidity, so that you can grow and actually learn from it. the fact that you are anonymous makes you comfortable with yourself but in real life scenarios i truly hope you are too embarrassed or introverted to spew the bullshit that you do on here. fucking hell you are such a retard

>inb4 it was all a troll

>>38252302
Not at all I don't really play vidya unless I'm with friends and I don't watch pornography but I still think your "hurr durr music is bad" is just absolutely retarded
Mind you I don't even listen to music everyday either

>>38252349
>It's a very cheap stimulation that many of us now cannot function without, we cannot get concentrated or motivated by ourselves.

says who? you are grossly exaggerating the average person's dependence on music.

again, kys

>>38252349
I really really wouldn't
At best you could be that guy people socialize with out of politeness

>>38252381
Clearly if you like doing something then you are addicted to it and can't live without it and are a disgrace to humanity

>>38252403
ok that about wraps it up.

nice job aspie

Loving the high energy, guys.
Even tho you're not really refuting my points, just a bunch of ad hominem.
>>38252362
I'm in law school, the most prestigious one in my country. Again, I'm not asking you to believe me.
>>38252377
Did I say music is bad? Music in itself is a wonderful human creation, it's just that our too fast of a technological development made us unprepared for the enviroment we live in today.
>>38252381
I think I'm not exaggerating, it's my subjective opinion, such as yours. If I'd kill myself, humanity would lose one of it's greatest sons, bitch
>>38252389
There's not really a point in judging a man based on a few anonymous posts. I'd judge you as someone who hates people who do not conform, but hey, I don't know you

>>38252509
>If I'd kill myself, humanity would lose one of it's greatest sons, bitch


Oh dear god

>>38252509
i dont even give a shit about your dumb opinions, its how you try to argue them that's shit. i could take the time to type out why each of these posts:

>>38252403
>>38252302
>>38252201
>>38252032

are some of the most ill thought out, fallacy filled, pseudo-scientific nonsense i've ever seen posted on this board, but that would be a waste of said time.

and for the final time i say, kys

>>38252509
>Did I say music is bad?


"distraction, cheap stimulation, emotional masturbation" sounds pretty bad

>>38252577
Post >>38252403 was me being ironic anon, it's the guy you're arguing with

>>38252603
fair enough

>>38252603
It's NOT the guy you're arguing with, I mean

>>38252622
i understood from context lol

>>38252603
I didn't coin the phrase "emotional masturbation," that was some other guy.
I've meant we've perverted music into a cheap artificial stimulation, our endorphin receptors are much more demanding in the process.
>>38252577
Ad hominem, nothing else. Are you trying to bore me to death?

>>38251253
aaa türk :=)

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>>38249493
>not even getting the name right

Im 20 and haven't had a real job. I'm in my sophomore year of college. what do I do to find a guaranteed job? I don't taLk to girls because I feel embarrassed about this.

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I'm currently doing an internship and one of my coworkers is really cute, we get along with each other pretty well but I can't tell if she is interested in me. Should I ask her out once we aren't coworkers anymore?

>>38252032
You think Leonardo Da Vinci didnt read old literature and philosophie? Fucking retard

currently reading models and way of the superior man

i also have think and grow rich and 7 habits on highly effective people.

i dont want to grab too many books and end up not reading anything. what should i read first? (after the 2 books im currently reading)

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>>38248718
Books i put on the pic are imo a must for every guy.
Rational male is all about your attitude towards females and understanding how they function. I can 100% say it made my dating and love life 10 times easier
( you can add Mystery Method on that if you want practical advice, but its WORTHLESS if you cant internalize what Rational Male is saying)

Bacherol pad economics..all you need to know about picking your school, career, car, appartment, stile of life, girlfriend, all for optimizing the most important thing, YOUR HAPPINESS IN LIFE

Mastery is a guide and motivation in being the best you can be at what youre naturally talented ( and interested) in.

>>38255056
Woow man thats some nice list there.
I finished The intelligent investor, One up on wall street, The richest man in babilon and im going onto Security Analysis next month.

I have mechanical engineering master degree but i looooove reading about stock market, those books are great for waking up your interest in world of finance.

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>>38252277
>>38251433

>>38248808
>This post
>On a subchan that exists for people to improve themselves

>>38253883
It's funny because coelho is rabbit in portuguese

>>38249270
>Thinks common sense is common in 2016

>>38251795
>he says while posting on 4chan

>>38252008
REKT

>>38249493
>>38251191

>anything that is popular is pleb

contrarians should stay in their containment board on /mu/

The Happiness Advantage by Shawn Achor. 10/10 would recommend.

>>38256059
>would recommend

what makes it so good
not tying to talk shit, im actually interested but im reading like 3 books right now and adding another one will kill me

>>38251253
PUA material is the single most autistic thing you can read. Stop now before you go full Elliot Rodgers incel mode

>>38256080
It's not just a idealistic book that focus on the philosophy etc but it provides studies and evidence how you can succeed in both work and private life. It's all about research and how being happy now will increase your success, not the other way around. The book is pretty easy to read, and it made me think in new ways. It offers a lot of good tips as well as providing facts.

>>38251428
I've alwasy been good at eye contact and my advise is to look at one eye specifically. You can read a persons face in your peripheral vision. I always look at the left eye for some reason, but see which you tend towards.

>>38251472
Keto isn't bad, it's just not the end all be all. If you preach it or hate on it you're and idiot. Same with every other diet like IF.

>>38251629
Completely normal. I exclusively look at the left. most people do it without noticing because its so natural.

>>38251939
I don't listen to music for emotion you retard. I listen to it because it sounds good. That's like saying you don't eat because its oral masturbation. Sure some people eat emotionally, but most just eat when they're hungry or because it tastes good

>>38256171
Meh, it's pretty shitty if you ask me. But your summary illuminated the better parts of it

>>38248902
GAH, WHY DOES NO ONE CLARIFY.

Bro no one reads his actual meditations (his original writings) there are modern adaptations that translate his work into modern english, his old timey writing is impossible to understand get a modernized version of it, thats what everyone actually reads.

>>38252032
Yeah you're right, instead he took breaks to play instruments like many people did at the time. Music has been seen as a normal thing since the beginning of history so if you think you've somehow devolved from liking it then go ahead and preach it autismo

>>38252509
>I'm in law school, the most prestigious one in my country

Where Bangladeshi law school for pajeets and poo in loos?

>>38248808
>>/fit/
>>aka weird autistic kids in their early 20's fascinated with trying to '''improve''' themselves by lifting a variety of shitty weights

>>38248902
It's very dry and overrated imo

>>38248810
kys and burn all your books written by that guy. Foreigners only praise hacks. fuck

>>38251344
It's a good story. Not sure if it's worth the long read or not. I listened to an audiobook of it

>>38248808
This is clearly the mark of somebody who hasn't read any self improvement books

>>38256033
>anything that is popular is pleb

It's hilarious that you think this is the point. Paulo Coelho is just terrible and anyone who doesn't immediately see how dishonest his allegories are and how they fail to resemble anything good or truthful is immediately marked as suspect in my book.

>>38256588

Coelho books are far below anything honestly written for children, since the ideas they try to push are fundamentally dishonest, and even then there is nothing interesting or artful about their content.

>>38257279
>dishonest

I don't think you know what that word means

>>38257076
no one has time to read all that gay shit when you can get the exact same result from using critical thinking

>>38248718
>be nice to people and they will reward you
that book taught me nothing

>>38251378
just finished it last night, good book

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10/10 book

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>>38259127
I dont have critical thinking thats why autists like me need these literary devices

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>Section on getting in to shape is shit-tier
>Geoffrey Miller has an entire section in the book shilling for muh paleo meme
It's not perfect, but it has an interesting perspective on the mating process.

Ulysses Unbound - Jon Elster.

>>38248718
Tbh a book for autist and retards.

>>38248845
One thing they dont do is reading some self help bullshit seriously. They read on shit that interests them. Politics, economy philosophy yadda yadda.

Learn to eat pussy like a champ. You'll be a hero.

I'm fucking a chick right now and saw her earlier tonight. She was taking a pic of my bulge and was sending it to her friends and told me she told all her friends that I had a big dick. I was flattered but she said that what she didn't tell them about was that I eat pussy like a champ and she's afraid her roomies will try to hook up with me.

>>38255207
Finish those two books first (or even better, read only ONE of them, then move on to the other), THEN see what you'll read next after that.
> dont want to grab too many books and end up not reading anything
This will be exactly what you'll do otherwise.

>>38248718
Remember you are not alone in this world. Everyone you come in contact with you leave an impression on their mind, the idea is fucking terrifying as your neighbors, people around you will remember you and sometime in 10, 20, 30 years they will remember you out of nowhere. And you will live on, think about the people you touch everyday, they are alive and we are not alone on this planet. Be kind to each other, because the person next to you also wants to live and they also see themselves as a single entity on this planet. Remember, we are not alone

NatSoc archive

http://fourth-reich666.angelfire.com/naziarchive/library.html

>>38252403
>I hate it when people train years to improve their skills at various instruments and voice, learning hours and hours and hours of techniques and theory while still providing material that's totally unique which no one else has done exactly the same before to provide a sense of emotion and self expression for other's entertainment

Inb4 >but skrillex only needs to press play

>>38252403
>catholicism

>>38248718
Highly recommend The Compound Effect by Darren Hardy he
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>>38252198
This. Mental gains come from less thinking and more doing. Busy yourself with something manual like this rather than over complicating your mind with bullshit strategies from a book written to make the author rich.

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>>38251253
Can't say I agree with all that shit, but I'm doing about 80% of that list consistently now and I've never felt better.

I'd suggest trying out an instrument, guitar is really easy to pick up. I've played it on and off for years and am now trying to continually challenge myself with more and more difficult classical pieces/shredding techniques. Piano is really easy to pick up as well with a lot of online resources.

Oh and try out a skincare routine/cold showers. Just 2-3 minutes of it at the end of a normally warm shower. Shuts down the libido for a bit which helps with no fap and gets your ass out of the shower quicker.

>>38261318
There's some truth to it though. If you're listening to 100s of different songs a day in a blur with no real musical training or deeper appreciation, then it's really akin to a drug.

You don't have to be some wannabe /mu/ patrician faggot, but maybe consider picking up an instrument or something.

>>38251428
>focus on maintaining eye contact
>can't pay attention to what they're saying

life is the hardest game.

>>38251433
>I've learned a few helpful little tricks
such as

>>38248902
It has multiple translations, I'm reading this one: http://classics.mit.edu/Antoninus/meditations.html
English isn't my native language, yet I understand it, so I guess you won't have trouble understanding it either.

>>38263136
Mfw always wanted to play a piano but they're huge and expensive af

Kind of considering buying a $250 88 key weighted keyboard and just playin' with it to learn music theory and such

>>38264382
Not OP, but thanks for that link. Very solid.

Have to say that I am slightly triggered by the BS politically correct "ACE" and "BCE" thing, but good resource nonetheless.

>>38251253
>wake up at 6:30
>practice typing
>read while shitting, instead of 4chin
>go for a run
>stretch
>eat
>shower
>study
>go to bed at 21:00
I make spreadsheets to keep track of whether I did everything important that day or not. I may take up meditation in the future.

>>38249268
>reading is a better hobby than playing video games or watching tv

Confirmed for never making it. Don't get me wrong, books are good, but you can learn a lot from other forms of media.

The Metal Gear Solid series, while campy at times, drops some serious philosophy in the games.

>>38259973
Do you vacuum suck the clit?

>>38250930
I'm learning Norsk, focusing on my cut (almost 15kg down with minimum strength loss) and spending more time with family instead of chilling with friends all the time.

I graduated with a BSc recently and found work experience (due to start in a few weeks), and have been taking on extra responsibility in my shitty weekend warehouse job for the past year. I've been told i might get a call soon regarding a promotion but i'm not too fussed; once applications are opened for everyone, i'm applying for it wether i get chosen for it or not.

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>The Wheel of Time turns, and ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legends fade to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. In one Age, called the third age by some, an Age yet to come, an age long passed, a wind rose in the Mountains of Mist.

>The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings or endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time.

>But it was a beginning.

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Heathens. The word of the Lord is the only guidance you need.

>>38251477
>Not listening to gregorian chant

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>>38264511
I played piano a lot in my youth. Play a lot of guitar now, and have considered getting a melodica to start practicing on until I move into a place that fits a piano.

I know it's a meme instrument but fuck man its got keys.

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>>38264633
Damn, bait is getting really good these days.

>>38265627
Refute me you pleb.

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>>38252277
>go outside and get a life

>>38251253
lists
>socializing
>less 4chan
>networking
>volunteering
>going to church

Literally the definition of projecting here. Come on man, are you that afraid of improving yourself?

Hobby lifting is easy, you're doing 1/15th the work of a professional lifter/athlete. You have no excuse to not do other shit too.

>>38265677
I can assure you I am a larger fan of MGS than you are and I can doubly assure you that while MGS2 has some great commentary the series is just typical japanese wankery. Don't call people plebs when you yourself are arguing for videogames.

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>>38265677
I enjoy MGS, and think its convoluted storylines get too much flak. There are a lot of interesting concepts there, and MGS2 predicted so much about the current state of information flow that it's uncanny.

But you know what Kojima does? He reads. He reads and he watches films religiously. In interviews he attributes all of the unique and eclectic themes/concepts in his games to what he's read in books, science mags, and films.

I recall him saying something like "I don't have a lot of time, so I can only read about 1-2 books a week."

Video games will at best have to strike a balance between gameplay and communicated ideas. I believe they can communicate ideas in a unique fashion that merits vidya as being a form of art, but it is still a compromise. Kojima reads all the fucking time, he's not playing vidya all the time.

>>38248902
It's a decent- ah fuck it. It's a pretty good read. Don't treat every passage as life changing shit, remember to critically evaluate it, and use it as a stepping stone into other stoic literature.

The Hays translation is most agreed upon, but I found it helpful to cross-reference confusing/significant passages with other translations.

>>38265801
I've read half of it. At this point I feel like I've gotten the gist of it, and it feels like a record stuck on repeat. Is there more to it?

Moved on from it a while ago, not sure if I should pick it back up again.

You people should to some of the Great Courses.

They're great courses (get it) on a wide range of subjects.

I'm talking one now on The Addictive Brain. It covers what addictions are, why they form/work from a psychological and neuro-scientific perspective, the genetic side causes, "your brain on drugs", whether porn/video games can be addictions, and etcetera.

Examples of other courses are (to show the diversity): The Rise and Fall of the British Empire; History of Ancient Rome; Understanding Investments; Mastering Differential Equations; An Introduction to Infectious Diseases; How to Draw; The Art of Reading; Optimizing Brain Fitness; and Bach and the High Baroque.

http://www.thegreatcourses.co.uk/

http://www.thegreatcourses.com

>inb4 shill

here, have a pirate link

https://torrentproject.se/?t=TTC

>>38264633

You can get value out of other mediums but books are so fucking superior, it's like doing leg press instead of squatting. Books are squats.

>>38251477
this

>>38266340
Yea that's the thing about it, it's Marcus Aurelius's personal notes essentially. Quite a bit of redundancy. I cross referenced with an "essentials" book to get an idea of what portions to actually focus on.

It's an short book tho man.

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Has anyone read this / any other by Herb Cohen?

I remember being recommended this book but never got around to reading it, is it worth it?

>>38264741
>I'm learning Norsk
Hvorfor?

>>38264633
books are the pinnacle of all medium to learn. stop trying to rationalise why you still drop tens of hours into video games with the "b-b-but I'm learning!" mentality. that's literally what children do. if you want to play video games, then fine, I play them now and then but I play them out of fun rather than some rationalisation that I'm learning from them.

>>38268216
Pirate it and read a bit of it.

Really, how hard is that?

>>38268635
Books are mediocre escapism. No grown man should rely on others to spoon feed him information. Learn to, then begin to gather your own knowledge.

>>38268670
Okay, so what's this magical form of gaining knowledge that's not books then?

>>38268832
Experience

>>38269104
So what's wrong with enhancing your own experience with the experience of others?

>>38269243
Nothing
I'm not that guy
That guy is a retard

>>38264600
>run
>practicing typing

you'll b 60 wpm trash for life, Brian.

>>38268635
>books are the pinnacle of all medium to learn
Only if you apply what you learn immediately.
If you're going through Feynman's lectures, you should be jotting down notes and doing problems as you go along.
If you're learning Calculus/Diff. Equations/ect, you should be thinking of how to prove theorems and practicing problems.
Same for books on drawing, programming, ect.

It's even the same for history; write what you've learned on a piece of paper and act like you're going to have teach it to someone soon.

Otherwise you've just spent countless hours poring into a bunch of books that you aren't going to remember anything from in a couple months.

>>38248808
American society has a sever lack of male role models because our elders were all self-serving money gubbing hedonistic hippies. They never had anyone sit them down and have serious chats with them, so they have to learn it from a book as the next best thing. Learn to read for fun, faggot.

>>38268670
shit on books all you want, but you can't shit on books and prop video games up like they hold any sort of worthwhile comparison.

>>38269104
>Experience
okay yeah fuck reading about ancient rome, i'll hop in my time machine and go experience it for myself! thanks for the insight wise one

>>38255340
>Rational male is all about your attitude towards females and understanding how they function.
What if I don't care about women sexually aka am a homo. Is any of it still important or is it just "how to maybe get some pussy: the guide" ?

>>38269813
Point out where I even mentioned video games in my post, son. Please. I'll wait...

Doesn't seem like all that book reading has helped your reading comprehension any.

>>38271453
literally look at what the post was in reply to initially. i'll actually link it and quote it to make it easier for you.

>>38264633
>Confirmed for never making it. Don't get me wrong, books are good, but you can learn a lot from other forms of media.
>The Metal Gear Solid series, while campy at times, drops some serious philosophy in the games.

that's why video games were subsequently mentioned. because the post was in response to one saying video games are a viable way to learn alongside books. maybe you should try to experience not being such a fucking idiot so you can learn from it.

What do you guys think of pic related? I haven't actually read it but I've looked up some of the ideas and applied them and I really believe in the positive effects of organization and tidyness. It's really can be life changing.

A lot of these threads are so focused on getting women and becoming more intellectual but I don't really see a lot of people talking about mindfulness and minimalistic, "clear" (so to speak) living

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>>38271558
lol fuck me, meant to attach image.
The life changing magic of tidying up by marie kondo

>>38268552
Hvorfor ikke? >>38268552
(not op)

>>38248919
Pretty much. I read it a couple months ago and at the age of 23, it was pretty much all stuff that I had known from years of life experience. A few of the examples and stories he told were entertaining and helped put the principles in perspective but for the most part you could skip them. It was like, "Here's the next principle, and now here's 15 pages of short stories explaining it." Rinse and repeat.

I guess some REALLY clueless people could learn a lot from it, but you can skim it and understand it really fast.

>>38248872
kek

>>38248779

Got the audio of this yesterday. The first hour of the book made me realize how fucked up my childhood was.

>>38271577
wow i wish my roommates would fucking read this

>>38272117
The author said The best way to get other people to get organized is to organize your own stuff. If your roommates see you living the benefits of it they'll be motivated to do it themselves.

Can't say how effective it is though, I'm always pretty neat and organized but a couple people I know seem to be immune to it. Oh well.

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>>38269611
>tfw almost filled first notebook of reading notes, personal reflections, context/historical references from wiki, alternate translations, etc.
>sketch a few pepes here and there for good measure

Without note-taking/analysis I couldn't remember 1/4 the shit I read that day. Its made reading much less frustrating.

>>38269611
>doing problems as you go along.
>thinking of how to prove theorems and practicing problems.

Absolutely

>It's even the same for history; write what you've learned on a piece of paper and act like you're going to have teach it to someone soon.

Fuck me I never thought of explaining it that way before. I thought I was being autistic, but it really cements the shit in my head when it comes to history/aphoristic shit.

Christ years ago I was doing the same thing but for explaining to some imaginary person the romantic tension between two anime characters.

>>38272317
I can say it's not effective. Somehow they think that's normal too, maybe I'm just fucked up for not wanting trash laying around.

>>38269544
Reminds me that I need to practice. Still haven't learn to touch type and I can do like 40wpm

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>>38272451
Reading about dudes practicing typing I was about to balk at those low wpms, but shit the awareness and dedication to improvement. Keep it up.

>>38272369
>explaining to some imaginary person the romantic tension between two anime characters.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

>>38269544
It's not the wpm, it's that I have to look at the keyboard because I can't touch type properly. And I'm only at 40 wpm.

Is it too late for me? I'm 23 and I feel like a lazy shit and a failure. People always told me I'm intelligent but I have nothing to show for it.

Sorry for blogposting but I got excited seeing all of these books but that quickly turned into "what's the point?".

>>38272845
You dont need those books. Self help books are for the easily manipulated sheep. However think for yourself and study things that you find interesting. Practice speaking writing etc

>>38272845
do things. create meaning

>>38272845
It's never too late, but knowing that cycle of melancholy, nothing I say will inspire you more than a few days.

What are your goals, what do you want to do, what are you doing to get there? Your dreams are just a few mid term goals away, and a mid term goal is simply a bunch of short term goals all done. Are you lifting? Are you going to school? Are you finding a better job? Are you bettering yourself? If you arent planning on putting a bullet through your head any time soon youre going to have many years ahead of you that you wished were spent being a better person.


I start law school next week, spent 3 years working around until I realized that was my next step and that itself took about a year to get to now.

The game is to level yourself up, not to compare yourself to the MinMax faggots.

so, what book can you read that will make other people see you as attractive?

just saying, all the books in the world wont change the one fundamental thing people judge you over: looks.

I say that as a former fat fuck who was invisible till he got fit.

>>38272953
An interpersonal communication text book so you can learn that there is no magic to relationships with other humans and that speaking with them is not original.

>>38261206
this shit is interesting but I'm worried if I read too much my mind will be filled with so much shit I'll have trouble relating to people without raging about Jews

>>38273022

there is "magic"

it's called looking good

no matter how well read you are, it doesnt mean shit unless you are physically appealing to a girl.

>>38272905
That's it though. I don't really have any passion for anything. I've been depressed since I was 11. It's like I've been walking choking through black smoke my entire life, trying to grab on to things that will give me clarity or let me breathe but there's just nothing. For the last two years I've relied on simple hedonism to fill the void. It did for a while, but the drugs became repetitive and taxing, the connections and people were superficial and the meaninglessness of it all hit hard at the end. I moved away and took nothing with me except some experience and wisdom.

Now I can reinvent myself with this fresh start but I'm afraid. I'm scared that I'll either fail or succeed just to find myself as hollow as ever.

>>38273088
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

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I've started calling up my aquantainces and inviting them to do things. Not the usual which is just to go to a bar and drink but more interesting things. On Monday I had people over and we played board games. Tomorrow I'm going to an independent movie theatre with a couple of my friends from high school. This weekend I'm going to play pickleball with some of my classmates.

I'd say about half of the people I invite accept and they always seem to have a great time. I think a lot more people than I realize would like to do things with me, but people in general are bad at/don't want to organize events. Just because you don't get invited to things doesn't necessarily mean you are not liked. Step up and start casually inviting your friends and aquantainces to do cool things!

>>38273117
Love that quote.

We're all gonna make it.

>>38248891
>The flinch
Thanks for reminding me of this. I've read it but I need to make another push in implementing it

>>38248808
Still better than showing off your negativity. Don't post here anymore if you can not contribute.

>>38273128
yeah, been feeling like I should do that too, been loosing a lot of friends (or more like not enough in touch with them) because I usually don't relaly invest in relationships.

I don't read these books because there is better stuff to read imo and I'm fine with myself, but why are some people so bitter about them?

>>38264633
This nigga is right. I got my phD STRAIGHT FROM VIDEO GAMES

>>38248902
I keep an English version in my backpack that I take out and read every now and then and read a couple of passages.

Disregarding the historical context, its pretty much just an old man writing down his wisdom gained from his experiences.

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>>38251253
Drew is that you?

>>38252032
is this a thing? I listen to music near constantly but if im without it for a month i see literally no difference at all in my productivity or focus. wtf are all these anons on about?

>>38261915
So much what this anon says.

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>>38248718

>>38255056
The millionaire next door, Thinking fast and slow, predictably irrational and your money your life are the only ones that have merit for regular people with no interest in finance.

Consider that most mutual and hedge funds are unable to consistently beat the market. So you reading a book is going to have little impact.

The best advice for people without vasts amounts of wealth is to buy and hold cheap etfs that track an index and then slowly add bonds to your portfolio as you get closer to retirement.

You won't time the market and you won't consistently beat it either.

>>38275741
Edgy

>>38275078
What kind of stuff do you read then? Not challenging you or anything, just curious.

And people are always bitter about everything. The ones talking shit about these books are either miserable failures themselves so they scoff at anybody trying to actually improve themselves, or have their head up their ass and think they're so intellectual that none of the stuff in those books could possibly be useful.

>>38271422
Its not how to get pussy guide, but female psychology. If your only goal is to get nice girl to have family and kids, its still a must read. If you want to just get pussy, its that too.

But if youre truly a homosexual you still might stil want to. It like living in a forest but saying nature and animals don't interest you, sure, but you should still know something about your environment

>>38259791
I imagine this book being shit desu from what i been hesring only one who likes it are people who read very few books

As a teen, I was fascinated by Carlos Castaneda's books especially the first ones, journey to ixtlan and the teachings of don juan. I wouldn't say they improved me, I think I internalized too much of these works of fiction ( I wish them to be
true though )

Now I have been fascinated by the Meditations of marcus aurelius.
Also, the Enchiridion of epictetus is great.

Recently I read the Slight Edge and I like the method.

>>38259791
I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell is p entertaining though
If anything, read the third book in the series where he's more reflective on his debauchery rather than simply retelling it

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>>38248808

> I can't improve myself
> You're all faggots for trying

Fuck off moron.

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>>38248942
>Wishing, Want It, Do It

I'd call you out on making an FG reference, but I'm sure you're 'playing 7-dimensional chess/5 layers of irony.'

>Bonus points if you read classical philosophy and pretend your woke.

Projecting 'on-the-nose' criticisms as a cheap way to get at people isn't just for /pol/ anymore!

Folks keep doing what you're doing.

Actually, take time to re-evaluate if you're doing your self-improvement most effectively. Check up on this often. Don't get cocky, constantly ask yourself if you're doing enough or on the right path.

Do these same check ups on every activity. Recognize your biases.

Am I picking and excessively defending a workout because it's easier or more secure?

Am i so afraid of the 'sunk cos't into SS, SL, BW, etc, that I criticize other routines instead of exploring and seeing if I enjoy them more?

Am I picking and choosing parts of literature that agree with me?

Do I only learn arrangements that don't challenge or require me to work on gaps in my technique?

Am I avoiding discomfort?

You're gonna have a quick subconscious response to these questions that you really can't cover up. You feel uncomfortable, then that question is important.

You shouldn't be enjoying these activities too much, but you should be satisfied at day's end. Don't self-delude. Do it consistently, do it everyday. No fads.

>>38275078
Same reason people are so bitter about different routines. They don't want to feel bad or uncomfortable about how they spend their own hours.

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>ITT: top tier fedora tippers