Is body weigh fitness a meme? And is it a good meme or a bad meme?

Yes and yes

>>38229374
I don't even know what a meme is anymore.

>>38229388
Life.

resistance is resistance

>>38229374
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiAhXddtPLc

If being able to do that is a meme, then yeah, body weight is a meme

>>38230071
Looks like a meme to me.

Bodyweight will get you skinnyfat at best.

>>38230161
a meme it is, then

>>38229374
Not a bad meme as nigger dick flavoured pudding

I got a question:

I'm on a military base and I have a very tight schooling schedule. So after my classes, I go to the gym to try to do SS. And it is a fucking mad house. All the benches and squat racks are taken and it's not uncommon for them to finally be open 15 minutes before closing.

Would I get good strength and size gains if I ONLY did bodyweight chins/pull ups and dips on the pull ul and dip bars outside? Just do sets after sets until I'm burnt out?

>>38230256
It would be better if you dod progressions and got stronger.
>>38230161
Lol
>>38229374
Its a good meme. You can get a very strong and aesthetic upper body with bodyweight training.

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bodyweight. take it with you wherever you go.
warm up all the time. exercise anywhere.
transferrable skills. etc

>>38230313
Doing a ton sets of pull ups and dips with different variations until you are too fatigued to keep going isn't good? What would be ideal then?

>>38230342
moving up to harder variations of those moves, like one arm pushups and such. thats what a progression is

harder exercises >>> high reps of easy exercises

>>38230342
Train like you would train with weights. Do you do bench press untill you are fatigued for ever set? No. You add weight and do your sets.
Same thing with bodyweight except instead of adding weight you do harder variations for example go from pull ups to archer pull ups etc etc.
Training till fatigue isnt a bad idea but your whole workout cant revolve around that.

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>>38230256
You could progress for quite a while learning to pistol squat holding weights, strength scales differently when you only using one leg, and single arm negatives once pullups aren't challenging enough.
Planches are pretty neat

My wrists fucking whenever I try to do anything. Even pushups, I have to use my fists.

>>38230442

I just tried to do this and I failed miserably. Really impressive core strength he has.

>>38229388
Hitler dubs confirm

>>38230501
He is a manlet so there's not too much of a body to lift. I'd say between 5'5" and 5'7"

>>38230501
Planche has very little core involvement and has kore shoulder involvement more than anything.

Any recommended routines for body weight training?

>>38229374
Yes and bad

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>>38230689

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>>38230690
>bodyweight is a bad meme
>gymnasts only do upper body calisthenics
>not combining weights and bodyweight training

>>38230672
nice excuse, faggot

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>>38230710
What would an intermediate routine look like if that's beginner?
It includes progression up to some hard shit.
>Pic not related

>>38230736
Combining them is okay, but unnecessary if you goal is to get bigger and stronger

>>38230760
>implying bodyweight training can't get you big

>>38230736

>Believe's everything an interview on mens health says
>Calisthenics for 2 years bro and I'm this big
>Forgets to mention he's been training since he was a kid, genetically gifted, at the top 1% of his game and has taken substances.
>Calisthenics tho

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>>38230752
Why is it you midgets are so easy to trigger

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>>38230754
Idk why it says beginner. The progresssions can be applied to pretty much any level.
>>38230775
Ive been training calisthenics for a bit over a year. I dont look like a gymnast of any kind but i think i look pretty good.

>>38229388
Kek. This buzzword has gotten out of control.

>>38230818
>Posting a creep shot of your neighbor from a two way mirror

>>38230818
I've been lifting for a year and am thinking about switching to bodyweight or some hybrid.

>>38230845
Kek'd
>>38230889
Up to you familia. I have lifted before for a bit but i didnt like it much not did i get very far. The way i see it the more you enjoy your training the more progress you'll make.

>>38230777
>t. 5'8"

>>38230911
I used to enjoy it, but now it's become a bit boring. Doing human flags seems more exciting to me.

>>38230941
Yeah its one of the reason i switched. You do the same movements in the gym over and over and just add weight. Bodyweight training is almost like a game. Every move has a beginner version and as you get stronger you start doing harder variations. Thats how i see it at least.

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>>38230454
Do you properly stretch your wrists and forearms? That was my problem for a while

>>38230501
>>38230672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGi5jvaShBA

>>38229374
Body weight fitness is a true meme.

>>38229374
Your mom's asshole is a meme, and I fucked it last night.
Now fuck off and go use google, faggot.

>>38231153
A meme that happens to be used in martial arts, military and pretty much any sport that required athleticism.

>>38231022
Did Ivan make it?

Is Daniel Vadnal natural? His body is basically what I want.

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Almost every fitness program/sport uses some form of bodyweight exercise
>Martial Arts/ Fighting sports
bodyweight exercise
>Military training
bodyweight
>Gymnastics
Advanced bodyweight
>Bodybuilding
>Oly Lifting
>Powerlifting
>Yoga, Football, Soccer, Hockey, AFL, Rugby,Basketball, Track & Field, etc, etc
>even CrossShit
Not realising that a mixture of weightlifting and body weight exercise is the best approach to overall health and fitness when it comes to strength/resistance training.
>So you've never done a pull up anon? tell me more about how body weight is a meme
Anyone who says bodyweight is a meme is a DYEL newfag who comes onto this board angry that he lacks to upper body strength to even move his curvy™ body

>>38231342
So it's the primal meme?

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>>38231253
100% natty
His older brother
>Those Vadnal genetics
https://www.instagram.com/p/BDe5DnuQmky/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BBWw2yEwmpe/

But you have to take into consideration he's been training bodyweight for over 8 years and is an incredibly knowledgeable guy. He's even certified in sports science and phyiso. Takes his training and diet very seriously and has great genetics. It's one of the reasons he's so popular. There are tonne of very skilled bodyweight youtubers who have worse/smaller physiques that can do that same stuff he can but no where near as popular because they simply lack the genetics to achieve what Daniel has (he's even bigger than his older brother because he's been training longer and more educated, he does coach his brother though).

But that shouldn't stop you from aspiring. Go achieve your natty limit.

My life is a meme desu.

>>38231378
Neolithic Meme.

>>38231411
The one thing i have noticed about bodyweight training is that people have different results hypertrophy wise. People who genetically have a lot of relative strength seem to be able to do crazy shit while not putting on a lot of muscle and vise versa.

>>38230370
Thing is, you have to keep on doing a shitload of sets of regular pull ups, less so dips. You don't have this issue with push ups, but regular pull ups need constant maintenance of form and quantity if you want to stay in the high rep, high set, low rest ranges.

>>38231608
Also the majority of people who go into bodyweight exercise simply don't eat enough. Most of them like to stay lean and small because it makes it easier to keep progressing. Not a lot of people bulk while doing bodyweight so they just lack the calories to grow.

>>38231660
You would think bulking hard while doing bodyweight would grow adequate muscle. Increased resistance and all since you are adding weight

>>38229374
It's a meme cause you can use more weight lifting. It is also not a meme cause you can get strong using no weight.

>>38231918
>no weight
The human body doesnt defy gravity as far as i know.

>>38231608
That's my issue with body weight. You will be toned, you will be strong, but baby muscles stay nice and lean unless I do about 100 of everything every day.

I just pick up the bar a few time and low the gains do show. Just need to eat. I am out of protein other than tuna and eggs, rice and burger.

>you forgot to make your steaks so they went bad.

>>38231985
If you are doing about a 100 i suggest doing harder variations.

>>38231951

you may try reading again dingus

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I've been doing nothing but bodyweight for the past 2 years and I feel like I hit a wall a while back

just bought myself some dumbbells to try something different for once

>>38231985
Then you're doing it wrong

>>38231918
>meme cause you can use more weight lifting

That's why progression exists, numb nuts.

>>38232011
How will one get stronger by using no weight? That is literally impossible.

Is the routine in >>38230754 a good one to go by for someone who's been lifting for a while? Or is the r/bodyweightfitness one + squats/deadlifts enough?

What are the best resources for bodyweight training?

>>38229374

I think weight and height is considered a factor in calisthenics.
I've been lifting for years and i'm relatively lean at 215 lbs, 6'3".
I've started doing calisthenics to gain more control over my body (and honestly to learn all the cool party tricks), and I've made some gains in my back and shoulders going through the progressions.
So if you're sort of a lightweight I don't think gains are as easy as being a heavyweight.

>>38230256

>falling for the military meme

>>38230161
spotted the skinnyfat

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>>38230442

>>38230454
couldn't do a pushup on my palms because wrists would hurt
couldn't curl a bar because wrists would hurt

you have to stretch them senpai
first video on jewtoob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtvCGCYbYc

>>38231660
>Most of them like to stay lean and small because it makes it easier to keep progressing

why do faggots think that if you have low weight it's easier to do bodyweight shit?

ah maybe because 'bulking' refers to adding fat on your body, not actual muscle

>>38232080
I use Foundation, you can test for mastery to pick appropriate level to start with.

>>38232457
I'm 6'3" as well, only @200lbs
I seem to be gaining size while maintaining my weight.

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How do you fight this?
My gf finds tjis disgusting.

>>38234784
pummice stone + lanolin (I use a homemade shea lanolin balm)

>>38230689
Kek. The Reddit "recommended routine" in the bodyweight fitness sub. Do it.

>>38234784
I just pick them off. Just peel or cut it off.

>>38234661
What's harder?
A 60kg overhead press or an 80kg overhead press?
Answer: 80kg

What's harder?
A 60kg BW handstand pushup or an 80kg BW handstand pushup?
Answer: 80kg

It's a matter or leverage and weight.

The taller and heavier someone is the more energy it requires to move them in mechanically disadvantages positions.
Why do you think the majority of Olympic gymnasts are short u70kg and have little leg mass? Because it's the most efficient body to perform those kind of movements.

Take Eddie Hall for example.
Has the deadlift world record of 500kg at 180kg bodyweight. That's 2.7x bodyweight.
His absolute strength is phenomenal but relative strength good.

Take Richard Hawthorne.
Has can deadlift 272 kgs x 4 at 60kg bodyweight. That's 4.5x bodyweight for reps
His absolute strength is good but his relative strength is phenomenal.

Relative strength favours lighter bodyweights and bodyweight exercises are all about relative strength. How easily you can move and control your bodyweight.

it requires more patience and knowledge than weightlifting to progress and thrive. it requires a good muscle to fat ratio unlike non-competitive weightlifting. i wonder if it´s coincidence that it´s always fat retards who say it´s a meme.

>>38232028
tips, in order, to get through a plateau:

'deload' for a week or just take an extra rest day

fix diet

if diet is fixed - eat 5-10% more of your calories from protein, add 400 calories to TDEE

>>38230454
you gotta perform 'prehab' mobility and warmup exercises if you want to do bodyweight exercises properly without harming your joints

>>38234784
get climber's hand cream

not a specific brand or anything, just google search that, made for climbers since they get crazy calluses, makes skin stronk like bear but smooth like babby seal

>>38235251
the wut? i have same problem as the other anon too. and i type all day for work so it only makes it worse i think

>>38235167
what is harder:
60kg OHP @ 60kg bw
80kg OHP @ 80kg bw

2/10 made me reply

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>>38235300
Still the 80kg ohp.
They both have a relative strength of 1 but the absolute strength of 80kg is higher. You need to be stronger to move 80kgs. It requires more energy to move.

what is harder:
60kg OHP @ 60kg bw
80kg OHP @ 80kg bw
100kg OHP @ 100kg bw
120kg OHP @ 120kg bw
140kg OHP @ 140kg bw
160kg OHP @ 160kg bw
180kg OHP @ 180kg bw
>eddie hall 180kg ohp @ 180kg bw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzV4EZb2NMs

I've seen a guy weighing 70kg do 15 free standing full ROM handstand pushups
I'll never see a guy weighing 180kg do 1 free standing full ROM handstand pushup

>>38235348
so he can 180kg ohp at bw but he can't do free standing pushup?

so, assuming you are not baiting, how do two people at the same weight+height manage to lift different weights if we assume they have same amount of muscle mass?

>>38235594

Because technique matters, neuromuscular activation matters and insertion points matter.

>>38235608

You mean CNS activation level? Is there a limit to how much you can train?

Insertion points, so better insertions give better leverage?

>>38235641

There is a limit to CNS activation, its not sure exactly where it is. Somewhere below 100%.

Tendon attachment points can (I kind of goofed calling them insertions). The muscles are basically using the tendons to yank on the bones when they contract, so where they're pulling on the bone affects the torque produced. In extreme cases you can see the same amount of muscular activation translating into a ~50% difference in force on the bar.

There's also differences in physical proportions, but on people of the same height and weight those are likely to be pretty similar.

>>38235685
Does CNS affect the activation level of a muscle? So you are saying CNS can get muscle to activate at almost 100% (theoretically), going by that, you don't really need to build muscle as you can train your CNS. I'm interesting in how would one train CNS, hm.

tendon attachment points to the bone AND muscle attachment points to the tendon should both have a difference, would need some physics fag to say which is the most optimal

>>38229374

bodyweight exercises work, its just they are incredibly inefficient. workouts have to last hours to get any effect

warmups and stretches necessary for bodyweight exercises easily stretch workouts to two hours

these bodyweight exercise gurus you see literally have no job - and have to train all day to get their physiques, which can easily be produced in 1/10th the time in a gym, bar some forearm vascularity

>>38235737

You still need the muscle. CNS activation is just, to super simplify things, how much of that muscle you can throw into a max effort. Someone with huge muscle mass and terrible CNS activation (I hate that term, but don't really have a better one) will utterly blow away someone with great CNS activation and not much muscle mass in terms of absolute strength. In the same way that someone with shit form and a ton of muscle can just retard up weights that would crush a guy with great technique and not much muscle.

>>38235758
Yes, I know, but my goal is to stay the same weight (200lbs/90kg) so I need to train my CNS after I get lower bf%

also found this on lereddit
>If I remember correctly the longer the tendon, the greater the force production, a bit counterintuitive. I think the concept is that stretching the tendon (quick eccentric motion) results in a natural rebound that produces more force without having to use energy contracting the muscle.

>>38235756
>lifting weights with no warmup
just snap my shit up, senpai

>yfw bw exercise guru does full L7 with IM in 45mins

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>>38229374
you tell me

They call it MONKEY BARS for a reason

>>38235756
That's fucking stupid.
The russians see great gains in strength and mass from simple basic exercises and follow the minimum effective dose rule.

>>38235777

ofc i warmup and stretch before weights but its no longer than 10-15 mins including some hiit

>>38235795
>>38235777

show me these people. literally link me

>>38234784

After about 9 months they just stopped happening to me

Hand cream works a treat in the mean time however

>>38235244
>deload bodyweight
If only

>>38235756
No, you easily can spot functional muscles and lifting cosmetic inflated gay muscles that will fade after a few month.
I mean you have quite deferent impression from a sportsman and a bodybuilder.

>>38235803
I'm from >>38235777
I don't know the guys name since idgaf but that time is fucking impressive, I can't stand longer than 1h workouts so I don't do those, my workout takes from 30min to 40mins, that's with 5min rests when I lift weights between sets (number of sets is different each week).

Watch through any of these:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bar+battle

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>>38235844

what happens when pushups and pullups become absolutely trivial?

weighted vests? slow movements? what

>>38235803
Pavel.

>>38235897

You either add weight or you start messing with more difficult variations of the movement.

This is one of the strengths and weaknesses of bodyweight work - there's a lot more skill acquisition that needs to be done compared to lifting.

>>38235897
Plyometric pushups
One arm pushups with closed legs.

>>38235897
like >>38235905 and >>38235907

for pushups, the 'hardest' one is where you push off the floor your whole body and clap behind your back, i believe

for pullups, one hand muscleups are pretty brutal with perfect form

adding to >>38235932

Push up variations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naRaVsFn_g4

same for pull ups:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FN4Z26kPVY

>>38235943

the movements look fun and would like to learn them but they look kinda dyel it puts me off

>Do chinups for the first time in my lifting career today (2.5 years, always ignored then, thought why do them when I do curls for biceps and pullups for back)
>Better bicep pump than any set of curls has ever given me

uh /fit/?

>>38236003
If you want to 'look big' then bw may not be for you, take a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hrY-kEO1jg

As you see, they look super DYEL when walking up to rings, but during movement they morph. I kinda like that idea of looking rather DYEL until I flex.

Also, BW has the coolest moves you don't need a gym to show off (like in a party) if you care about that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCWHR3hSdtg

>>38236061
doing chin up can be as hard as 2xbw curl (one arm chin up)

>>38230071
>being able to do a flag means he got that big with calisthenics

retard

>>38234784
gloves

>>38236091
Lifting doesn't equate to being good at bodyweight movements.
Never has. Even worse, lifting and putting on excess mass through lifting is actually detrimental to doing things like flags.

>>38236075
>doing chin up can be as hard as 2xbw curl (one arm chin up)
Only if you don't use your back muscles (which you should)

>>38236123
you didnt adress my point

>>38230754
Got a link to downloads of Kit Laughlin's videos? Already got the pdfs.

>>38236127
if you want to do isolations you try to use only that muscle

don't derp this hard, anon

>>38236153
Actually did.
You're just not..what's the word...inexperienced to see that.

>>38236178
you can do bw shit all year and you wont ever get big. its easier to lift hard and then learn a bit of technqiue then wasting your time with bw shit, hence why it is a meme.
>ellipses
back to plebbit

>>38236190
you can lift shit all year and you wont ever get big. its easier to do follow propper program than waste your time in the gym, hence why gym is a meme.

>>38230501
Did you expect to be able to do right away something which takes years of prep to get to?

>>38236091
Thats Dominik Sky... almost all that dude does is bodyweight.

retard

I'm still DYEL by /fit/ standards but I've made a lot of strength gain doing BW for over a year. I would recommend it if like me you don't enjoy lifting weights much. There's nothing better than finally doing a hard progression you've been working on for a long time

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Worked for me. Still dyel but better than before.

>>38236172
Oh, I get it.
But I think anon was surprised because of the bicep pump and I meant that he was possibly unintentionally isolating his biceps

dips are fucking amazing though. transforms your body.

>>38236310
Looks like more or less the same muscle mass, brah

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>>38235898
Tell me about Pavel.

>>38236310
It really doesn't matter much outside of /fit/. You still look better than most people. And there's nothing better than taunting big guys by doing stuff like handstand and planches that they can't do because they never work flexibility and balance. How much time has passed between your pictures?

>>38235786
whatever happened to tiny?

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This thread hasn't said too much.
What's a good routine, and how do we measure progress? Unlike weightlifting which you can track weights, calisthenics is a bit tougher to track... It's also less documented than let's say Starting Strength, are there any forum posts or blogs that track progress on calisthenics?

I'm attaching Diablo 666, a routine always posted in body weight threads. Any comments?

>>38236215
>butthurt non answer
im sure you practiced arguing with bodyweight

>>38229374

Here is a test:

A push up is about 70% of your weight.

Compare this to the weights you would lift in the gym.

If you are a big guy, push-ups might do the job for a while.

If you are a small guy, hit the weights.

>>38236357
>This thread hasn't said too much.

Look at that progression. How much time do you need to do one legged pistol squats and how much will your quads grow from that, and then compare that to front and back squats with a barbell for the same time.

Same with pushups and bench pressing etc, its a meme, a waste of time

>>38236352
He got married and skinny fat, afaik
>>38236357
Well, I follow foundation, it has simple measurement for progress, like here >>38235852
there's also 60s mastery (5x60s) for exercises where you 'hold', like plank.

So if you 'achieve mastery' you move on to a harder exercises.

If you know about Foundation, it has 7 levels of progression (I'm currently on level 2). Anons said that level 7 mastery is 'good enough' for any normalfag. Whole program takes 21months to complete. After that you just keep doing those movements at mastery level or try to improvise or move on to even more difficult variations (I had a torrent with levels going up to 12)

>>38236323
Gear heads who lie about lifting clean have ruined your perceptions.

>>38236357
cont. from >>38236402
I just looked through the ones I do from foundation, like push ups, but they are called differently and progress is different, as well as form.

For example in your pic the 'planks' #2 (elbows+toes) is level 2 of Planche from Foundation.

>>38236421
>Gear heads who lie about lifting clean have ruined your perceptions.
Not really. After my cut I look a lot buffer to someone who doesn't lift, and I'm actually slightly weaker.
He/you looks a lot better, I'm just saying there doesn't seem to be a significant change in muscle mass. If he was the same bf% in both pictures we could check, but since he is not you can look at the chest, shoulders and traps, they look the same size

>>38236449
So DIablo 666 says once I hit 10 reps it's time to progress, Foundation says its 60 repetitions?

>>38234784
Your gripping the bar wrong!
Your putting the bar BELOW your fingers in the palm. The bar goes above the palm in your fingers.
Move the bar from just below the finger palm union to just above the union.

>>38236455
To be fair, all the picture poster said, is that he looked better than before.

>>38236463
linking again>>38235852
mastery is 5x15 REPS
and 5x60 SECONDS (for exercises like plank where you hold position)

There is 0 reason to not do bodyweight and there is 0 reason to not do weights.

Are you guys really bench pressing over 150 kg and can't do more than 30 pushups? What the fuck is the point of that?

>>38236463
cont. >>38236481
that diablo shit doesn't even say the starting point, like do you try to do 3x12, what if you fail ? and shit

Foundation has a clear progress path, also the starting point is so low even a baby could do it (former auschwitz survivor here, so I can tell you the path works).

>>38236455
He's gained noticable mass and he's dropped some weight.
He's not going to get huge as a natural doing bodyweight. Not unless he's ridiculously heavy and or does advanced movements.

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>>38236464
Here is how to grip a bar so you do not get those calluses

>>38236508
I'm reasonably fit so I don't need to start at the starting point, do I just start at whatever is high difficulty?

Where is foundation routine posted in this thread?
Pics?

>>38236075
So you're basically saying that for a 60kg guy it can be as hard to do a one arm chin up as it is to curl 120kg?

>>38236003
>they look DYEL

You have body dysmorphia.

BW fitness is as much of a meme as lifting. Different results.

Weight lifting focuses on giving muscles as much resistance as possible, to promote fast muscle mass growth. That's it really. Pump weights, get big, pump more weight, get even bigger and kill your joints. Easy and effective, go complex or isolated, regret will kick in about 25-30 years.

Calisthenics is more complicated: it's always complex training, it has arbitrary masteries, and it works stabilizers more, so don't expect to get very big easily. You stay skinny, and maybe you'll eventually reach some epic level in something, or hit your wall and just be fine with feeling like a god. But you won't get BIG. Forget about it. Sexy, but not big. Also don't do isolated biceps if BW, you retard.

Father: 25 years lifting, about 8 years BW. Me: 3 month lifting, 13 months of BW.

>>38235786
What was his bodyweight routine?

>>38236580
With correct form that isolates only biceps, yes
>>38236550
nah you go through mastery of each level and see where you stall
>>38236561
it's a huge PDF, also was one torrent with all the videos for each exercise, don't have it on my work PC and kickass is RIP.

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>>38236679

>>38230071

thanks for the panic attack

>>38236696
That's probably why he looked like shit.

>>38231342
It's as if weightlifting is the real meme here

>>38235300
80kg @ 80kg, ceteris paribus.

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Made by calisthenics and some weighted pull ups and dips.

>6', 149lbs
>Can do awesome elements in public and get all them mires'

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very bad and getting worse as more millenials come of age

>>38237123
Routine?

>>38229374
Dude if you adk like this you clearly don't lift or do any fitness.

So bodyweight fitness would be an improvement anyway

>>38231342
Body weight is just a meme for legs

>>38237346
I do pistols while holding plates. It definitely works my legs

>>38237346
Then do squats and deadlifts.

>>38237251

My routine is very flexible, this is a brief version

>Day one- Setz and repz
Always a combination of muscle ups+ straight bar dips+ pullups (all without getting of the bar) in different order and number of reps, usually about 10 sets.
Example of advanced set 5 mu+40dips+20pulls

>Day 2- chest and triceps
Dips (weighted or bw)+ push ups variations, reversed dips, reversed t-bar dips etc.

>Day 3- Biceps, back and forearm
Pyramid sets of pullups (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,9,8...), Weighted or bw with inverted rows (15-20) between sets, and I'm doing wrist rows if I'm doing weigted training.

>Day 4- Shoulders
Pike variations, hindu pushups, planche lean holds etc.

>Day 5- Elements
Impossible dip, front and back lever, planche, handstand etc.

Day 6- rest day.

I don't do separated core workout or cardio, and I stopped doing bw leg day.
It's easier to leave legs and deadlift for the gym.

>>38235786
>tiny does 20 push ups a day in his bedroom
>no results
Must be the fault of bodyweight training.

>>38229374
I am sure it's been said already, but here I go.

It's good in the regard that you will get athletic if you do more than dips and pullups pushups sit ups and that shit, but it's utter garbage for gains an strength, you can add weights but free weights in combination with weighted bw exercises are the best, it gives you flexibility, good mobility as well as gains and strength

>>38230454
If that's the case and has always been you're just weak as fuck and should really look after your joints, because lifting won't make it better necessarily

>>38230772
Only weighted, bw in and on itself offers pretty much no progression after 2 months

>>38240091
While I agree that weighted is generally better, could you do a one arm pullup after 2 months?

>>38240091
I can tell you are experienced with BW training

>>38240091
don't listen to this anon, he has no clue what he's talking about.

obviously it is easier and faster to get big with lifting but you fuck up your joints etc.
bodyweight takes longer but it is much more rewarding imho, especially in the long run

Use bodyweight calisthenics mixed in with free weight strength training. simple but elegant.

My philosophy is that any workout program is good, because it's better then doing nothing. With 60% of people obese and 50% of people in office jobs and 90% of people watching TV or browsing every evening, even walking half an hour a day is an improvement for most people.

So if we are the fitness community, we shouldn't bicker and complain about different training regimes or memes or whatever, but instead focus on getting other people to work out. Spend your energy outward on people whose lives will greatly improve with fitness, instead of arguing with people who are already committed to improve themselves

OK guys, one question:
What's wrong with a (PPL or whatever) workout with pull ups, push ups, handstand push ups, body rows and (any form of) squats -- all weighted to do max 12 reps?

In my opinion it's exactly the same, whether I do 12 reps of weighted push ups (90kg bodyweight + 30kg vest) or 12 reps of bench press with ~85kg.

I'm doing this since quite a while, having progress and only need to invest 30min/day for the workout.

I'm just recommending this style of training. Would like to discuss.

>>38241137
If it works, great. I like going to the gym and lifting heavy as fuck. Sure it's vain pride but it works for me. I think with bodyweight training you never really get the thrill of a new record, because it'll be like 5kg or 3 reps more than your last.

>>38241252
You can actually add weight to a weighted vest.

>>38241328
Sorry I got that wrong. You have to add your bodyweight in mind if you need the pride of lifting heavy.

I've been doing chinup negatives in addition to SL 5X5 but I want to do negatives every day.

can I just do negatives even on rest days until I'm ready to do real chins and then only do chins on lift days?

>>38230760

>Claims to be stronger
>Struggles to pull or push himself up.

I've known dudes who could bench over their body weight and pull down nearly the same but could not push up or pull up.

Moving yourself through space should be number 1. Objects come next.

Also you can build big muscles with calisthenics. Weighted pull ups alone have put enough mass on me for most people to assume I have to lift.

When you can do 3x5 with 75% of your body weight let me know if you still feel the same way.

>>38241252
Bodyweight guys don't tend to give a shit about lifting numbers. Just how many and what kind of reps they can do, and what new feat they can accomplish.

>>38230256
What's your branch and rate/mos?

>>38242737
Yeah this.

It's like
1pl8 squat is a planche lean
2pl8 squat is tuck planche
3pl8 is advanced tuck planche
4pl8 is straddle planche
5pl8 is full planche

They get that rewarding feeling by increasing reps or hold times or achieving a new skill or new progression. It's also a lot of fun to swing around on bars and rings and such. I love watching Olympic gymnasts. The shit they can do is insane and looks like fun.

>>38242814
Navy. Currently in A School for Corpsman. I was aiming for SARC, but they halted the PSTs because no one is getting any contracts out of school. Not even the BUD/S Duds.

So since North Korea is acting up with their shit, they are starting to open up a fuck ton of FMF billets, and that was ultimately what I want to do.

>>38229374

If you wanna do bodyweight shit, go for it. I like it because it's a self-centered measure of strength, to be able to lift your own body in various ways, instead of an arbitrary weight.

That being said, progression is harder because you have to learn new forms and moves all the time, and you're way more limited by your flexibility. The smartest way is probably to do a mix of weights/bodyweights.

>>38230454
Yea my wrists fucking too, it's the worst.

>>38230256
Bro your body can't tell the difference as long as you're using progressive overload.

Got a backpack?

Load it up with weights. Do dips pull ups push ups all weighted.

Progress the heaviness of the backpack by putting more shit in it as you get stronger.

Same thing for squats. You can get reverse your backpack and put it on your stomach and do a front squat variation.

You can do jumping lunges or regular lunges, pistol squat like the other anon mentioned, etc.