Exercices to avoid?

deadlift and squats

>>38069293
What is wrong with dips

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>>38069293
>Dips
>Bad


>>38069301
>Deadlifts and squats


Oh I get it. This is a troll thread

reverse grip bench

fuck that

>>38069308
I keep reading online and on youtube by some well known fitness channels that they are bad for the shoulders and elbows. Basically it puts a lot of pressure there and the cons outweights the benefits

>>38069293
Everything in life can potentially be harmful. I recommend killing yourself just to be safe

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doesn't help that every diagram of this shit exercise has the elbows way too high

>>38069293
if u cant do dips ur an immobile fuck and should just end it all
>upright rows, behind the neck pull ups, heavy preacher curls

None and every excercise. It'a all context specific and your exact form/techniqiue can and will determine the injury potential from a movement.

e.g. upright row done properly is safe, which means elbows a bit more foreward (not straight out to the sides), more important is to not bring your elbows much higher than your shoulders and to keep your scapula properly retracted and depressed, chest up, lean forward slightly. If you have bad shoulders and a certain type of shoulder joint may not be able to handle upright row, especially if it's done in the less safe way. Some people may be lucky and have hefty shoulders, and they can do upright rows the unsafe way and never run into a problem.

It's all context specific, and for the most part no excercise is really good or bad.

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>>38069293
BEST TO AVOID:
>Dips
>Upright rows
>Behimd the neck press/lat pulldown

can't think of anything else.

>>38069352
Dips put a high amount of pressure on your shoulders and you will likely fuck your shit up if you haven't already.

Id stay away from them. Why risk it when you can do a safer exercise to hit the same muscles?

Dips are dangerous?

Ive never felt anything close to discomfort doing them.

How dangerous is bending the upper back during DL?
I try and pull back with the lats but the weight is too much and the weight pulls it forward sometimes.

>>38069293
i hurt my back doing deads with a perfectly flat back. not rounding isn't a cure all. such a shitty meme. deadlifts can snap your shit if you breath wrong or are off by a mm

>>38069380
What's a better exercise for the shoulders/triceps than dips?

>>38069334
you're thinking of shoulder impingement but really done properly they are fine
it's like rings, huge risk of getting your shoulders hurt but that doesn't mean the exercise is wrong

there's also this stretch where you stand with your feet far apart and bring your hands together down to the floor in front of you, stretching your back
for most people this can lead to injury but for a healthy trained athlete it's fine

>>38069420
Weighted dips

>>38069380
once again, if ur feeling pressure on ur shoulder then u are not mobile enough to do dips, and if u cant do dips with proper form fuck off, and fuck u for being too ignorant to see that dips are goat exercise

>>38069405
Deadlift less until you can keep your back straight. I literally can't think of a more dangerous mistake in form on any exercise:

>>38069380
Lean forward when you're doing dips to take the stress off your shoulder

>>38069415
because your back is weak as shit or you don't properly load your legs

I used to get back pain from deadlifts even with a straight back, but then I switched to sumo to help me learn to use my legs and did other core intensive shit like OHP,Squats, and Pentlay Row for my LB. Now I can pull conventional deadlift fine and I no longer do sumo

Squats and deadlift. When I read about hernia those always come up. So there is a connection.

>>38069505
my legs burn after deadlift and my back is not weak. now what mr expert?

you pull the bar in a bar path off by a hair and your back is fucked. i don't care if it can be corrected or not. almost everybody who deadlifts makes a mistake and snaps their shit up at some point. sorry but not sorry. it's not worth it.

>dips bad for you regardless of form

Absolutely epic

>>38069405

Thoracic rounding during the deadlift isn't nearly as bad as lumbar rounding. It's not good because it means your lats are weak, but it isn't bad because you don't lose tightness and find yourself in a weak position.

>>38069535

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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>>38069535
your back is probably hyperextended or you have bad joints.

>you pull the bar in a bar path off by a hair and your back is fucked
lel, you realize how hard it is to pull the bar off bad enough to fuck your shit up? If you'd actually deadlift bigboy weight you'd know your knees are easier to injure

Eh, for me personally it's Romanian deadlifts.

I fucking SUCK at keeping proper form because of my FUCKED posture, and whenever I do them my lower back gets REKT beyond belief.

Note: this is due to my dumb ass.

Plus you look like a flaming faggot for doing them.

>>38069572
kill yourself you fucking moron

>>38069532
yeah, stupid people

standing overhead press

i think i damaged my SI or disc. or its just really inflamed lower back. we'll see i guess

>>38069581
No you look like a weak faggot trying to deadlift babby weight. I can't count the number of times i've mentally laughted at some big dude for deadlifting shit weight only to realize theyre doing romanians

>>38069557
what's the best way to address slight lumbar rounding during the initial pull of the deadlift?

>>38069584

I have over a 500lb deadlift, I've never hurt myself doing it. The only people who hurt themselves doing deadlifts are those that pull with a catback, flex their supinated arm doing mixed grip (after roiding), or those that lower the weight like they're trying to not wake up a baby.

Kill yourself retard.

>>38069580
>your back is probably hyperextended or you have bad joints.
nope, neither.

>you realize how hard it is to pull the bar off bad enough to fuck your shit up
anything other than a vertical bar path can create a fuckton of torque on your spine. it's entirely individual.

>>38069606

Could be a number of thing, here's the trouble shooting I'd recommend.

1. Check your setup, make surethe bar is directly over your midfoot and directly under your shoulders when you.begin your pull.
2. Are you using your lats?
3. Are you bracing with your core properly?
4. Are you loading up your legs before you pull?
5. If all else failed, work with deficit deadlifts, paused deadlifts, and snatch grip deadlifts to get stronger off the floor and emphasize keeping a straight back.

>>38069609
>I have over a 500lb deadlift
yeah? and you have a gaping vagina for a brain.

> I've never hurt myself doing it
no of course not when your back went out tying your shoe it was a fluke and not from the retarded lift you were doing earlier

you can't possibly say anything that will make you sound intelligent. yes, deadlifting with perfect form wont fuck you. no, nobody is perfect. yes you will make mistakes and when you make them with 500lbs in your hand you will snap your shit up. end of story.

Let it be known that upright rows with dumbbells are 100% safe

>>38069611
and if you wern't as dumb as a peanut youd realize getting the bar to go from perfectly vertical (as gravitiy and your body wants it to) is extremely hard, especially past 2 pl8. You literally have to be trying to be fuck your shit up to get the bar from not being vertical.

Of course since you deadlift baby weight compared to your other stuff the concept of not flopping the weight around is foreign to you
>nope neither
yet somehow me and other proper form lifters dont get back pain

>>38069635

Deadlifting is L I T E R A L L Y the most natural human movement. If you cannot do it with passable form and not snap your shit up you are a genetic dead end and should strongly consider removing yourself from the gene pool. You sound like an angry genetic dead end, anon.

>>38069638
have fun ruining your back moron

>>38069656
>gets btfo
>decides to just call the opposition a moron
ebin

>>38069647
>Deadlifting is L I T E R A L L Y the most natural human movement
i rarely ever pick anything up from a conventional deadlift position. i take a wide stance when i pick shit up off the ground so already you're retarded.

>>38069672
based retard

>>38069420
Tricep Kick Backs

>>38069599

well, to be fair, I do deadlifts instead of romanian deadlifts.....so

damnit weighted dips are my favorite exercise don't take them away from me

although they make my chest and shoulders hurt in a way that im pretty sure is bad

Leg extension machine.

>>38069688
delete your account

>>38069681

>admits to picking things off the ground from a deadlift
>calls me retarded

You don't understand biomechanics or leverages at all do you? You're still doing a deadlift, just with a different stance. It has the same primary movers the same stabilizing muscles, the same mechanical action. You do sound like an angry genetic dead end, anon.

i avoid squat, deadlift, bench and rows because im wary of my back/shoulders

>>38069719
because it's a fundamental human movement doesn't mean you should load it as high as humanely possible on a regular basis you fucking retard. i mean breathing is pretty fundamental but you aren't going around mouth breathing as hard as you can everywhere to maximize your lungs, do you?

>>38069719
i know there both deadlifts you dufus but when people tell you to deadlift unless otherwise specified they're referring to the conventional one. i wide stance stiff legged deadlift irl more than anything resembling that cockamamee movement pattern. and again, i'm never lifting anywhere near as much as i can deadlift in the gym when i do nor would i want to because that's retarded. it's too easy to make a mistake and with that much weight a mistake turns into a lifelong injury.

>>38069744

Nice hyperbole retardbro. If your goal is strength training or training to look good naked, then yes you 100% should. It, along with the squat, bench press and military press should form the basis of 85% of all lifter's routines. The other 15% is strongmen, who don't bench, powerlifters, who don't press, weightlifters who don't bench or deadlift much, and people who are literally too old and/or broken to do those compounds.

>>38069744
I think I found a video of your deadlifts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCtiAC_kXPo

>glorious feel when I don't do deadlifts
>still have nice leg gains and don't have to worry about le snapcity
>grills mire my ass but I'm still beta

>>38069769

For most adult males their primary stance should be conventional, but sumo and semi-sumo are both acceptable. Variations are great also.

Protip: Being afraid of hurting yourself and thinking about it when it comes time to lift will make you more likely to hurt yourself.

>>38069772
deadlifting isn't even close to essential for aesthetics and there are tons of powerlifters who look like shit.

the fact is it's a lot easier to fuck your shit up doing conventional deads hence why you're a fucking retard for doing them. i don't care how long you claim to have done them for. you're an idiot.

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>>38069807
enjoy your ban

The only pain i get from squats is my hip flexors and that's doms. I get a slight discomfort in my lower back but it's gone by the time i get home so it's most likely just fatigue.

For the record my back is fucked. Spondylolithesis, hypermobility, arthritis and scoliosis.

>>38069807
Here come dat ban

>>38069804

The only powerlifters who look like shit are the ones who are in the 120kg+ weight class and those that compete at the weight classes above 242 in lolfeds. The rest are all fairly lean.

That said if you want to look good as a natty, you 100% should do them. The natural testosterone and the overall strength it helps you gain cannot be overlooked. If you actually want to ever be above 20 on the FFMI as a natty, man up, do your deadlifts and stop acting like a fucking woman.

Things not to do ever: Crossfit, leg extensions

Things not to do with poor form: deadlifts, squats, behind the head pushes or pulls, upright rows, shrugs.

>>38069807
can't be too safe

leg extensions, skull crushers, behind neck pulldown, behind back shrug, anything with those big stone balls i can't think of the name right now

>>38069837
>The only powerlifters who look like shit are the ones who are in the 120kg+ weight class and those that compete at the weight classes above 242 in lolfeds
lolwut

there are endless amounts of powerlifters who look like fucking garbage are you kidding me? the ones who don't are usually really short, genetically gifted or are well known pros who train far more than what most people could reasonably obtain and are probably privy to some designer drugs to evade detection.

if you want to look good you should stop doing movements that are gonna sideline your ass for years with a snapped back.

Correction OP

>Weighted Dips

Anyway I'd add heavy weight dumbbell flies (cable flies are way better) and sit ups.

>>38069867
IF you got sidelined for years with a snapped back you didn't know how to do the exercise properly.

>>38069867

Go look up any powerlifting that competes in a weight class that's 105 or lower. They'll be bigger and leaner than you.

That said, you will never look good with your don't do what's hard mentality. Stay pathetic, stay small, and stay weak for me bby. And I'll keep deadlifting more than you ever will until I'm your grandpa's age. Hey if you post your email I'll even send you biannual updates.

>>38069904
>They'll be bigger and leaner than you
they'll be bigger but leaner? nah.

>you will never look good with your don't do what's hard mentality.
you aren't doing what's hard. you're emulating powerlifters thinking that's a shortcut to gains. they're circus freaks. deadlifts aren't some magical exercise. you can train your back and hams without performing lifts with such little room for error.

>>38069681
>Wide stance

That's called sumo stance, bro. Still a deadlift

>>38069939
post body

>>38069939
>doing an exercise is a shortcut to gains

We truly are in Summer

>>38069952
sumo doesn't load your low back the same way as conventional was my point. it's irrelevant. you want the back gains from doing conventional and i'm saying it's stupidly risky. i have no problem with sumo altho i'd probably choose a different lift altogether.

>all these online doctors on /fit/

just because you haven't hurt yourself doing dips does not mean they are inherently safe. Everyone is different and luck as always plays a factor. I had a SLAP tear and had to have shoulder surgery on it by one of the best shoulder surgeons in my country. Someone who literally deals with baseball players and football players and he went through what exercises I can and cannot do, one was dips and his own words

>I wouldn't even recommend someone with a healthy shoulder doing dips, nothing I've seen destroys shoulders as much as them and you can get the same benefits doing other exercises. It puts too much strain through the shoulder joint.

So does /fit/ know more than a fucking specialised shoulder surgeon jesus.

>>38069957
powerlifter's life revolves around competing for the biggest lift number. there are obese looking female powerlifters who can outlift some of you

>>38069727

So you avoid four of the most effective exercises that only endanger your back or shoulders if you do them completely wrong?

>>38070045
>I destroyed my shoulder so that means everyones shoulder is destroyed

>nothing I've seen destroys shoulders as much as them and you can get the same benefits doing other exercises

Yeah, I'm sure more baseball players come to him with fucked shoulders than a person coming in from doing dips

>>38069807

oh no!

>>38069807

always the same shitposter at this hour

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>>38069441

>>38069599
>can't tell the difference between romanians and normal deads at immediate first glance
>can't romanian 3+ pl8s

just get the fuck out of here you dyel piece of shit

>>38070169
>implying I do Romanians at all
kek

So, getting back on topic. I always heard crunches were bad for you, because they shorten your (something).
Is this true? I've avoided weighted decline crunches for over a year because of this.

>>38070112
Way to not read my post dipshit. Of course baseball is terrible on your shoulder but as someone whos life work is WORKING ON SHOULDERS, AND KNOWING SHOULDERS, AND FIXING SHOULDERS. He's seen so many destroyed by dips and knows they're not worth the trouble they give. Just so we're clear I didn't destroy my shoulder with dips.

What's your degree brah.

Yeah those ab flexion excercises ar bad: crunches, leg raises. Instead do planks and ab rolling.

>>38070241 meant for >>38070229

>>38070241
well fuck, one of my crunch substitutes all this time was hanging leg raise. at least I got planks right.

>>38070104
I was joking.

>>38070298

my bad senpai

>>38069807
I'm my own mother and I'm replying for my safety

From personal experience: Shrugs.

An absolutely shit exercise, never feels like you're really lifting and a few weeks back I fucked up my form on it and twinged something along my neck and shoulder. Worst night of sleep in ages following that.

>The benefits
Literally just big traps.
>The alternatives
Deadlifts. An exercise where you actually feel like you're lifting. Do them right and your body will look in proportion.

For those hating on UR rows do high pulls. GOAT trap, shoulder & upper back exercise.

>>38069319
mix grip bench is GOAT for chest expansion doe.

>>38070545

Or just do upright rows with non-retarded form.

>>38069807
shoo

>>38069807
b& hammer when?

>>38070545
high pulls also replaces power cleans. it's literally a power clean without the catch

>>38069293
Theres nothing wrong with dips.
>>38069334
Those are the same people that say you cant press anything over your head and the bar cant touch you should only go 90° at the elbows while benching.
Listen to them if you want but have fun having no chest/shoulders.

>>38069382
Immobile people with bad form fucjed up their shoulders so they blame it on the exercise.

>>38069807
Fuck you asshole

>>38070241
Are you serious? Theres nothing wrong with leg raises. Crunches should still be avoided because theyre a shitty exercise.

>>38069807
Better safe than sorry

>>38069334

Doing weighted dips, I certainly notice a lot of pressure on my elbows and shoulders. It depends a lot on how fatigued I am before doing them, as well as my form.

>>38070734
Believe whatever you want to believe, but the evidence is there. Doing that flexion of the spines repeatedely in many cases results in bulging discs.

>>38069310
Why do them when you can do back extensions and leg press? I you only want to look good there is no point in doing squats and diddys

>>38070748
So basically just like any other exercise it can be harmful due to bad form which being in a fatigued state will only make worse?
>>38070755
Theres less spine flexion in the leg raise than ab roll outs.

>>38070764
>i only want to look good
Then dont do them.

>>38070768

If you're doing leg raises for ab work, you're going to need a lot of trunk flexion compared to the ab rollout (which ideally should have little to none).

avoid barbell training in general
dumbbells allow a much safer range of motion
unless you're an olympic lifter
there's absolutely no reason to be slinging that kinda weight around you will only hurt yourself in the long run
competitive lifters train every day and have access to the best sports trainers you don't have that so stop pretending

>>38070777
So what will happen to me if i keep doing leg raises? Will I actually get hurt or is this just the new way to train core that everyone is obsessed with?

>>38070792

Probably nothing.

There is evidence that suggests a whole lot of repeated trunk flexion can eventually result in disc issues but it seems to take a lot of volume over a long time to be a problem in most cases and a shit-ton of people get away without it ever causing any real problems.

Could it screw you up? Yeah, but I wouldn't be laying bets on those odds.

>>38070778
Shit b8 m8. Not even ir8. I r8 0.008/88.

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>>38069441

>>38070810
it's true tho. lifting heavy is far more technical than anything else. you want to look good and be strong without fucking your shit up? hit the dumbbell rack. even rippletoe agrees db bench press is superior. the only reason you don't use dbs for everything is hurrrrr muh bigger number but you can train better and safer with dumbbells. unless you're competing, barbells are retarded.

>upright rows
>Bad

>Having bitch shoulders

>>38070841
Rip and all his coaches actually argue against dumbbell presses because (a) you can't control the load as easily and (b) you can't properly judge range of motion on dumbbell presses.

In fact, Rip's entire business is based on the idea that the barbell is the best and most efficient tool for the development of strength.

You either haven't spent 10 minutes reading their website or you're the worst troll in the world. Probably the second.

>>38070880
this is literally what he wrote in starting strength:

>In fact, the dumbbell version of the exercise, which actually predates the barbell version due to its less specialized equipment requirements, is probably a better exercise for most purposes other than powerlifting competition. This is especially true if the weights used are sufficiently heavy, challenging the ability of the lifter to actually finish a set.

i know my shit. you're a meme spewing trash. end yourself

>>38070899
Btfo

But thats just for the bench. Barbells are superior for squats and deads while dumbells are better for shit like rows.

>>38070981
heavy squat and dead is pointless unless you're competing. you're only going to injure yourself. you can do rdl's, lunges and split squats with dbs and never touch a barbell again.

>>38070899
He revises his recommendations literally all the time, and he and his coaches post them as web articles. Here's an excerpt from one:

>Even the dumbbell bench press, a potentially useful assistance exercise for Intermediate trainees, has limitations. You need to get the dumbbells into position, which at heavy weights is more challenging than simply unracking the barbell off the bench press. More importantly, the dumbbell bench press is not scalable in appropriately small increments; you typically have to go up 5lbs per dumbbell, which can be too large a jump to make at limit or near-limit weights. And of course it doesn’t have a definitive, objective, and easily visible end range of motion like the bench press.

You really shouldn't claim to know your shit when you're saying that the fucking Aasgard company recommends against using barbells.

>>38071054
he says this because retarded meme spewing faggots like you don't know how to handle a db properly so they give you a barbell you can only hurt yourself with you little thum sucking faggot

rip fucking worships dumbbells he doesn't revise shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7pVtXPYtGM

>>38069293
wait so upright rows are bad ? i have been doing it for like 4 months. it really helped my lacking traps and shoulders.

>>38071075
>first thing he says is that going to the dumbbell rack as anything other than an intermediate lifter doing assistance lifts is 'bullshit.'

>doesn't revise shit despite SS and PP both being on their third revision at this point

>claims in another post that squats and deadlifts will 'cause injury.'

You're a fucking moron. Enjoy trying to convince everyone in the gym that your bosu ball pistol squats at 75lb are somehow more impressive than the real fucking thing.

>>38069293
>Exercices to avoid?
Every single one you can't do with good form.

couch sits and bed lays. do less of those.

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Squats, they're bad for your knees bro

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>>38071264
>real thing
yep you definitely fell for the old school meme. you also buy a straight razor and get an old pickup truck while you're at it, fagboy? you grow yourself a little bitch beard like a "real" man do?

fact is nothing in life requires you to squat or deadlift that much weight ever. it's a pointless risk you're taking unless you're competing otherwise you are a pathetic meme victim.

>>38071264
oh and im not sure about your gay ass bozo ball but split squats with a #100+ db in each hand is 200+lbs on one leg which equates to a 400+lb squat. but tell us more about this explosing kneecap and backsnap exercises you do.

>>38071480

It really doesn't.

But you're welcome to load up 400 and prove us wrong.

For me personally sqwaats.

I suffer from a compressed nerve in my spine and squatting creates a burning, followed by a numb sensation over the left side of my lower body.

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>fall for the high-bar is safer/more natural
>try it out
>snap my ass and knees after five heavy sets

>>38070778
>there's absolutely no reason to be slinging that kinda weight around you will only hurt yourself in the long run
what if I want to get strong??? I have to lift heavy weights m8

Leg extensions.
Weighted dips.

First one is obvious. I didn't start having problem with dips untill i started adding weight and i got to about 110lbs extra. Started fucking with my shoulders and elbows. Had perfect form and never went under 90 degrees. Anyone who says Dips don't fuck you up ain't strong enough to require "fuck my shit up" weight. now i just do seated triceps press instead

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>>38069293
Overhead deadlifts

>>38072110
Fuck i almost choked on my food anon
That fucking picture

>>38071771
Yeah you probably should avoid back-compressing exercises.

>>38069822
Why was that post bannable?

>>38070778

>competitive lifters train every day

No they don't. Competitive weightlifters and powerlifters train 4x per week at most.

>All the people saying dips are safe for your shoulders
I don't know shit about shoulder anatomy: the thread

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>>38069441

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>>38072110
what the fuck is that

>>38073306
>at most
4 is most common. There are probably a great number that do more than that

>>38069293
Dips are safe with good form. Don't troll.

I'll good you traditional upright rows, due to impingement. You can modify them to avoid that. Athlean-X has a form video I like.

Really the only thing I cab think of that matches your criteria is behind the head lat pull down and shoulder press. No advantage to doing them and they will fuck your shit up.

>>38069609
>or those that lower the weight like they're trying to not wake up a baby
If you can't lower the bar in a slow, controlled fashion, it's too much weight for you and you are doing half reps.

>>38069822
>reporting a report

>>38073306
Weightlifters and strongmen train more than 4x a week because the requirements need more time. Technique for weightlifters and cardio/conditioning for strongmen

>>38069293
All exercises are potentially harmful if you exceed your bodies ability to do them with proper form.

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I do dips on gymnastic rings, haven't noticed any joint pain. Is it that much worse on a dip station?

>>38074161
>it's too much weight for you and you are doing half reps
No. As long as you aren't literally dropping or slamming it it's fine. You don't have to do it slowly. Deadlifts have no eccentric portion.

>>38074203
Don't listen to the bad for you members, they are just kids embarrassed to do certain exercises or are incapable

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>>38074207
>Deadlifts have no eccentric portion

>>38074256
They don't. Look at a competition, you'll still get white lighted if you don't put it down slowly.

>>38069334
I've got a lot of scar tissue in my elbow and can confirm. Bench and OHP are comfortable, dips with half ROM will basically make my whole elbow swell up.

>>38069319
Pretty easy breh, just lrn 2 read.
It's the only way I can press infront of me, thanks to a torn labrum. Reverse grip Triceps pressing doesn't upset my wrists either, even though I have shitty wrists.

Supining DB curls can piss off my wrists because of the supination with weight in hand for 3x a dozen times though.

>>38074279
>competition judges have the power to suspend biomechanical laws

>>38069420
Close grip bench or floor press are the usual alternatives.

>>38074279
>lowering PR 1rm loads slowly

>>38069293

barbell OHP will wreck your shoulders in time

most young ppl scoff at this, but when it hppens to you it's by that time far too late

>>38074386
So what's the alternative...

>>38074256
It's a dead lift., not a dead lift and put down.

What you do with the bar after you pull it is your own business.

>>38074585
the alternative is to not listen to that moron and use proper form

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>dips
>harmful
Uhh, yeah...maybe you should do some isolation exercises first and work on form.

>tfw doing weighted ring dips

>>38069475
Been doing the chest variation of weighted dips for 6 months and now with 65 pound DB on my feet and have had 0 problems.

>>38074386
nah, you do it right nd theres no problems, look at athletes like klokov for example with a 164kg OHP and no shoulder problems from it

>>38074651
Doesn't he roider though. What about people with normal bodies who don't wanna roidfag to the mx

>>38069293
Anyone else had back pain but found out that it was because of their pillow?

Only today I realized that there are actually pillows for people who sleep on their sides and on their stomachs.

I just bought a really thin pillow for like 10 bucks with memory foam.

My form otherwise right now is perfect because I am afraid of snap city. For deadlifts.

>>38069293
All compound movements are potentially harmful to being a lazy concrete-jointed fatass

>>38069319
I only do them for tricep gainz

>>38074585
>So what's the alternative...

dumbell presses but with weight in both hands, not single limbed. with a DB in each hand you can pack the shoulder better. this is why BB OHP is so bad, cant pack the shoudler rigth

also, do push press or clean and press, they are OK. never do strict OHP

>>38074784

added: barbell push press and barbell clean and press. these are OK. barbell strict OHP bad

Who the fuck does Olympic lifts what are you Asian?

>>38074373
>not liking maximum resistance training.

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Question about dips:

I feel fine in my shoulders and chest, but when I go heavy, I feel the strain in my shoulder blades.
What am I doing wrong?

>>38069293
>2016
>people STILL thinking good diddly form can protect you from spinal compression

Oh heavenly KEK

>>38074790
half of clean and press is just an OHP
Are you actually that fucking stupid?

>>38069293
Good mornings, at least I never managed to do it without hurting myself, it just seems like a poor man's deadlift to me.

>>38071426
>you are a pathetic meme victim

Absolutely savage.

>>38073306
yes they do. if they don't train at least five days per week they're doing insane volume training. the good ones do.

>>38075070
>half of clean and press is just an OHP
>Are you actually that fucking stupid?

clean and press usually denotes a push press as that's more applicable to oly lifters, but i take your point

i forget sometimes that i'm talking to autistic millenials

>>38076425
>i forget sometimes that i'm talking to autistic millenials

yeah, Dan John talks about communication and its role in training strength athletes.

he likens it to saying "X" and someone hearing it as "Y". this is why he uses special, pre-defined terminology with his students, to eliminate that signal being lost.

Lots of people who deadlift should really rack pull off 2" to 4" blocks due to deep hipsockets and short arms.

>>38076487
Making fun of people because their mothers didn't love them....
Yeah we know where you're going when you die matey...

>>38074970
guys?

>>38074585
Being a dyel with stick arms and not shoulders, lats or rotator cuff strength, not to mention core

>>38079004
>I give you quite literally no information about this problem of mine but expect you guys to hand me a solution

>>38076425
>clean and press usually denotes a push press
????????????????

>>38070676
>compounds are the only way to get big