Gastric Bypass

>>38000885
A lot of stomach pain for a few weeks. You'll fill up faster so you have to eat nutritious food as often as possible

>>38000969
How soon can I go back to exercising, even just light cardio like walking or cycling?

>>38001009
You'll be good for light exercise after a month, maybe even sooner, build up to going balls to the wall as your body lets you. consult your surgeon about this.

>>38000885
an incredible amount of pain, reduced protein absorption, hair loss, loose skin, and you'll gain it all plus some back cause you are taking a short cut and not learning how to develop good eating habits

>>38001277
are you speaking from personal experience?

>>38000885
op, what's your problem with cutting?

>>38001302
He's speaking from what is plain to see in everyone who tries shortcuts with weightloss. I dont need to get stabbed to see that it clearly must hurt like a bitch.

>>38001302
I've lost 90 pounds the normal way, was 306, today I'm 217ish. Still working. Honestly I did start the EC stack once I got my blood pressure checked (220ish) though, haven't seen anything crazy in the past few days. It has reduced my appetite though. I'm 6'2" btw

>>38001333
congrats brah

>>38001333
Are you using bronkaid?

>>38001376
I'm using primatene, but im using off brand tabs. I haven't been using tablet caffeine, I use espresso powder for the most part. I might be retarded for not quantifying the caffeine dosage though.

>>38001323
Honestly, I fucking love food. I think about food to a distracting amount. I usually manage to avoid the worst foods (sugars, fast food, etc) but I still have a HUGE appetite, and a very sedentary job.
The biggest appeal of the bypass for me was the decreased appetite. The decreased distraction of thinking about food. Its been 40 years of this shit, and I'm not going to willpower it away. Not in any meaningful, long term way.
The sad thing is, I work my ass off at teh gym to MAINTAIN 325 lbs. I can say with confidence I work harder at the gym that most -if not all the people I see there. I'm there when they arrive, I'm there when they leave. I don't stop to fuck around on my phone. I push myself to the vomit wall nearly every time I go, and I backslide like a motherfucker if I miss more than a couple days.

>>38000885
So you haven't done it yet and can cancel? I'd advise against doing body modifications as a shortcut. Alteration on your body is never good and you'll prob gain the fat back afterwards. Just download myfitnesspal and count your fucking calories. Don't eat fast food. Cook your own meals with healthy stuff. Or continue eating like shit and jut eat less of the shit and you'll STILL LOSE WEIGHT.

>>38001441
You have mental problems.with food op. Getting surgery wont solve this. You need a psychologist, not a surgeon. You're just going to get fat again after the surgery because you're not addressing the root cause of your fat problem, you. Shortcuts are pathetic and unnecessary.

I knew three people that had this procedure done. All of them died within 3 years of the surgery, so I feel confident in saying that you can expect to die.

Or you can fix your mind, eat less, move more and enjoy your new health.

If you can handle the prefight you ought to be able to go all the way without the surgery.

I'd never want to undergo a surgery like that myself.

>>38000885
So, you've given up. You say you have no self control and yet again take the easy road and are going ahead with a potentially dangerous surgery. You think that the only thing that will get you to lose weight is having no ability to consume loads of shitty food. I'm telling you that when your stomach stretches out in a couple of years you will get fat again. You are pathetic for quitting on the easiest task in the world: literary doing nothing and watching the weight just melt away.

>>38001689
A guy I know had an infection in his stomach and my moms friend is fat again because her eating habits are horrible

Who thought this is a good idea
What happened to the Hippocratic Oath

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastric_bypass_surgery#Complications

OP just eat less FFS

>>38001410
Where'd you pick it up? I get paid friday and might as well try it out, but I'm always unsure of what to ask for or where to ask for it.

>>38000885
Don't do it, senpai!

My homeboy's wife got this surgery when it was new...still a fatass years later. She roped hubby into getting it last year...he's lost some weight really fast but is still a fatass.

Exercise like you been doing and eat right instead. Fuck getting yourself butchered.

You're doing good to avoid the sugar but fried foods don't mean shit if you don't eat too much. Cut but don't eliminate your carbs (that's what gets you with the fried foods)

At 325 your BMR is about 2500 calories and your TDEE is closer to 3000. This means if you can keep it around 2000 to 2500 calories you're golden. You can drink beer and eat ice cream and still keep it under those numbers.

Don't be a chump.

>>38001806
Yeah, pretty much. I do have self control but exercises that self control is fucking exhausting. Tamping down an ever-present compulsion is fucking exhausting.
I work 14 hours a day to provide for my family. That is not going to change.
I work out 3-4 times a week, about 90-120 minutes a pop. But every day I get a little older and it gets less effective.
So to my original point, its not whether or not I am going to do it. I AM going to do it, 4chan quackery aside. For my whole life I have battled my own fucking nature over this problem, and its been a war of attrition. So now I am going to rewrite that nature or die trying.

>>38002025
My daily is around 2000, give or take. Portion control has been my big battle the past couple of years, and I've made some solid improvements there. I don't drink alcohol, pretty much ever.
But every improvement I make is weighed against age and my gradually slowing metabolism. I'm 42, and while I don't feel "old" I definitely don't have the energy and resilience I had in my 20s.

>>38002081
Dude
If you want to lose weight
Go to a good grappling school (judo/wrestling) instead of gym/every day
And do crap like hill sprints twice a day
It will burn much more kcal than lifting.

>>38001851
There's nothing on here I didn't know already and nothing that concerns me too much. Every doctor I've met with usually has concerns for bed ridden saddies that have to removed by forklift, not younger active adults.

>>38002285
I don't do lifting often. My separated shoulder doesn't like excessive weight. Most of the weight training I do is focused on legs, as I have heard adding muscle mass to legs helps metabolism (more mass to add, and muscles you use more often.)
I most do interval cardio. I try to switch up the machines I use so I don't get to comfortable, and I mix in swimming when I can.

Eat less. Think about eating less.

Also

all that shit you read about jogging on a treadmill for 30 minutes burns 1000 calories is bullshit

everything I've ever read about how much calories you burn in cardio is complete bullshit compared to what it actually is

you don't burn hardly any calories in a hour of lifting weights

most people will burn something like 200 calories at the pace they go in cardio

"real" cardio that burns a lot of calories is really, really fucking hard.

>>38002349
and then you do a hour of cardio with your HR averaging 90% of your max and you eat a donut and all that work is for nothing.

eat less. work harder.

it is that simple.

you have to get over all the victim shit. slow metabolism.

doctors are not to be trusted.
they see you as a paycheck.

>>38001333
nice, a-any tips anon? 270 6'3 cutting atm

>>38001441
What some people dont get is that food is an addiction for some people. It's literally like you're saying "I honestly just love alcohol/heroin/smoking". You need to break your addiction of junk food before you can lose weight.

I think its probably actually healthy to be called a fat sack of shit
it provides motivation to stop being one

thats kind of how i quit smoking
i just cultured people around me saying im disgusting for smoking and im disgusting physically and centered on that
became obsessed with biking and now im a skeleton

>>38001441
A surgery will NOT fix this. You will eat the same amount and be putting it directly in your intestines. You are going to fuck yourself up and die.

You better not be UK fat fucks like you costing taxpayer money is why I hate fat people is it so hard to have a little discipline?

Instead of mutilating yourself and probably killing yourself when you still keep eating despite no longer having the capacity why not try getting mental health help from a professional to help you learn some discipline or get past the emotional issues which are causing your eating disorder?

>>38002423
I have cut out almost all junk food from my life. It is a rare treat at this point (ie. holidays) My larger battle is portion size. I usually eat 2-3 boiled eggs for breakfast every morning, but I could easily eat 8-10 before I felt truly full. I would honestly like to feel truly full at 2-3.

I know quite a few people who have had some sort of bariatric surgery, and all of them have kept the weight off for years, even decades.

>>38002643
Part of the preflight for bariatric surgery is 6 months with a nutritionist and with a psychologist. While you might learn a couple of useful tips or recipes, neither were helpful in any meaningful way.

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Sister and mother both had the surgery done.

Mother was 340lbs - ish. Is 200 now. She had complications. The day after surgery they kept her in the hospital to make sure everything was okay, sent her home. She started having pain and trouble breathing. She had to be taken via helicopter back to the hospital and spent a month in ICU barely alive, then 8 months in a hospital bed after that. She lost an insane amount of fat and now has ridiculous loose skin because of the liquid-only diet she had to be tube fed for a year. She also has several belly-button like scar holes in her chest/stomach for drainage and feeding tubes. Today, she can't eat any dairy products without intense pain and vomitting. She can't eat more than half a hot dog without cramping and sweating. She regrets not going the traditional way of weight loss and admits she took the easy way out and was punished for it.

My sister was 400lbs and had to turn sideways to fit through doors. On the opposite end of the spectrum, her surgery went relatively fine. She had a few scares after with heart and chest pains. Her first pregnancy a year after the surgery did a number on her and almost lost the baby. But now she's pretty okay, can eat most foods without a problem and in decent quantities.

IMO unless you're 800lbs and immobile, you should just lose weight through diet and exercise. It's better for you as a person to learn that discipline and willpower.

Pic related, my sister's before and after

>>38002653
you aren't supposed to be eating until you feel "truly full" or even a little full, only until you aren't starving anymore. Even then limit it to 3 meals a day. You're obese, your ideas and solutions obviously aren't working so listen to people who have been there and done that already. It's great that you're working to make a change, but step 1 is acknowledging that you cant feel "truly full" even if you want to. Your stomach is stretched out, that's why you can eat that much food. Just because your stomach is bigger doesn't mean you need to fill it to be getting the nutrients you need for the day.

>>38000885
You need a fucking therapist not a surgeon. If someone can't lose weight either their diet is out of control or they're incapable of asserting control of their diet.

>>38002753
The stomach thing is a fair point. Again, why I've been focusing on portion size the past couple of years.

See, here's the thing- I did diet and exercise. 1000 calories a day for 3 years. 2 hours of exercise 6 days a week for 3 years. I got down to 212 lbs.

That was when I was mid 20s, single and self employed. Now I am 42, married, 2 kids and my own business to run. Under the optimum conditions, I got to 212.
What the fuck am I supposed to do under much worse conditions?
Again, this post was not about whether or not I should. That is a foregone conclusion.

>>38000885
Here's a way instead of surgery. DON'T EAT. Literally that's it. It's the same thing you tell a smoker is don't smoke. Shits simple as fuck dude just don't be weak and shitty.

>>38002845
LMAO sometimes I forget this place is 4chan.

>>38002824
Do gastric bypass then if you really want to, but you realize how much of a massive chance there is that you're going to be fucked up for the rest of your life, right? You already seem to have it made, who the fuck cares if you're overweight lmao. you're old, why not just live life how you want to. If you really desire a healthier life gastric bypass isn't the way, it'll most likely fuck up things for you and your family. Either eat healthy and diet (1000 calories a day and exercising is ridic unless you're a 4'11 female) or don't bother at all.

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>>38000885
Why tf would you do this?
Just get into ketosis...
I lost 28lb in a month.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqf8NwIul2c

>>38002824
Cutting calories is the worst thing you could have done. Dude, read about the ketogenic diet, you must get into KETOSIS. See the video above tihs comment.

>>38002753
This comment is pure ignorance.
FAT makes you feel full, that's the ONLY thing that triggers the hormones for satiatey without overeating and stuffing yourself with 20lb of food each meal.

>>38002915
oh you're right, eat a stick of butter with each meal anons! Replace salad for steak, i-it works im srs!!

I lost 200lbs through dietary control and exercise.

It took ~5 years.

Expect to be regarded as someone who would rather cut out his own stomach than simply eat less.

>>38002959
You're an idiot. Watch the video instead of bitching, there's huge amounts of scientific data on this.

OP, either you do the surgery which means cutting of healthy organs, or you watch a 1h video that will save your life.

Pick one.

>>38002874
Honestly, if it wasn't for dumb little quality of life things, I probably wouldn't sweat it. Buying clothes sucks. Flying coach sucks. Not fitting on a roller coaster seat sucks.
I will check out this ketosis shit tho.

>>38002984
Good choice.
I promise you this, if you stick with ketosis, which is easy as fuck as I've been obese my entire life with diabetic sympotms, you will cancel the surgery.

Give it 1 month.
You will feel fucking amazing.
Google "Dr Jason Fung"
You wont regret it.

All praise be to Jesus Christ.

>>38002984
And you never lost weight with calorie reduction because:

If you eat 3000 calories per day and reduce it down to 1000 for a month, your BMR which burned 3000 calories in a month will now only burn 1000 calories. So anything above 1000 calories if you eat it = you gain weight.

I've been there, done that.
I ran for 3 hours every single day for months. Literally 3 hours, not fake numbers.
I still had a fat stomach.

Ketosis.
0 workout.
Lost 28lb in a MONTH.

I am not selling you shit, I am telling you the truth.
You're insulin resistant. Which means even when you do not eat, you're not losing weight.

Check out Reddit Keto, this is probably the best day of your life OP.

>>38000885
how about you just take control of your diet rather than doing some fucking retard-grade surgery that literally limits the amount of food you could stuff in your disgusting face?
is this really what you want? Some fucking surgery to decide when you can stop eating?
How about you just count your calories like an intelligent person who wants to lose weight?
or is that too unamerican for you?
enjoy your surgery complications because you have zero control of your life, diet and probably don't make any decisions outside of what immediately make you comfortable or happy.
immediate gratification is 2 powaphul, how can I stop, doctah?!!?
I swear, you fucking people
>READ THE STICKY
>sage goes in all fields

>>38002984
anon you were talking to before here, I lost 13 pounds on keto in 7 days. It works but it sucks at times, some people have more energy and some people have 0 energy while doing keto. Weird crazy idea: not all diets work for everyone!! Some people can't eat 0-20 carbs a day, gorge on cholestorol and fats and still lose weight and have energy.

>>38001441
325 lbs is a bmr of over 2.9kcal to maintain
what the fuck is wrong with you
"work my ass off to maintain"
are you fucking serious?
"work harder than the people at the gym"
dude who fucking cares, your caloric intake is too great, that's the bottom line you imbecile
do you know where we are?
your lies fall on deaf ears, brah
it's pointless to lie on the internet, brah
read the sticky, brah
go read scooby's shit and use his tdee calculator

>>38003065
You don't have energy because it takes more than a week to get KETO ADAPTED.

It takes 2-6 weeks, depending on the person.
This "diet" is what every single human being should be in. Ketosis = natural state of man. Your body wants to burn fat, most humans burn sugar.

>>38003081
Wrong, wrong, wrong.

I eat 3000+ calories per day on the keto diet, I lost 28lb and I do not workout. At all. I sit at the computer doing my job 12h a day.

>>38003081
THE CALORIE DECEPTION by Jason Fung

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F5o0a4p_3U

Here is real science. Not your opinion.

>>38003086
I did the diet for 2 months straight, I'm talking about the first week. Can you keto babies stop samefagging and present real arguments instead? Enjoy having ridic cholesterol and ruining your liver by 50. Keto is a crash diet and those aren't good.

>>38003114
Lmao, my cholesterol is better than my doctors.
You don't know shit.
Ketosis = burn saturated fats = it is impossible for them to build up in your body.

Enjoy your dumb as fuck non-science.

>>38002824
hahaha
1,000 calories a day for three years?
are you a 60 lb golden retriever?
don't get surgery if you haven't even taken the first step toward recovery, learning about nutrition! (1,000 calories couldn't sustain my pets, much less an obese male adult)
take a class! a local community college offers general nutrition courses that could help educate you on what is and isn't healthy for you.
seriously tho, read the sticky

>>38003086
>This "diet" is what every single human being should be in. Ketosis = natural state of man

This is a huge load of bullshit. People from different regions had massively different diets and all of which suffered from health problems related to their diets. It's impossible to eat like ancient people did because the food you have access to is completely different.

>>38003121
Any type of cut = burn fats you retard lmfao, ketosis isn't the only way to burn fat nor is it the most efficient for the effort you need to put in and the strain it puts on your body. Are you really telling an obese 42 year old man to eat MORE fats and meats and less fruits and veggies? that's literally going to kill him lol, jesus christ you stupid skelly keto babies know nothing about weight loss.

>>38002701
how much weight does your sister keep now?

>>38003146
Carbs turn to sugar.
Too much protein turn to sugar.
Fat does not turn to sugar.
Sugar = blood sugar increase.
Blood sugar increase = insulin
Insulin too often and too high = insulin resistance.
Insulin resistance = obesity, sickness etc.

That's the jist of it. Research, don't, it's up to you but I have given you the secret of the losing weight shit now. And I am proof of it working which is why I hate seeing a human being like OP turn to cutting off healthy organs to lose weight for a year only to gain it back + more in 2-3 years.

>>38003170
This is the type of talk an ignorant cunt goes on about. Yes, I am telling him to eat 80% of his diet in fats, and less than 5% in carbs.

Lol, ketosis isn't the best way to burn fat... LOL. It's the ONLY way the body burns fat you fucking dingus.

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>>38003187
lol what? you're only in ketosis if you're below 20-40 carbs a day, are you saying every other person in the world who has done a regular diet and lost fat is a liar and was secretly doing keto? Cant tell if bait or not anymore

>>38003099
are you...are you retarded?
what are you talking about?
are you saying that you live with a diet that's 10-80g in carbohydrates per day?
that's fine, and that's going to obviously encourage keto, but I wasn't really saying keto wasn't an appropriate diet for weight loss.
back to your reply tho;
by wrong, do you mean observing calories and eating less than his tdee he won't lose weight because of (insert magic)?

>>38003213
Carbs turn to sugar.
Too much protein turn to sugar.
Fat does not turn to sugar.
Sugar = blood sugar increase.
Blood sugar increase = insulin
Insulin too often and too high = insulin resistance.
Insulin resistance = obesity, sickness etc.

Some people who are not insulin resistant can eat more carbs than others. OP is fucking insulin resistant. The emo in skinny jeans who eats mcdonalds every fucking day is not insulin resistant and thus goes into ketosis much easier. OP would never go into ketosis if he ate the healthiest fucking diet any major health / nutrient organization in the world would suggest.

Insulin is literally the key to losing fat.

If my insulin is 50 and a skinny persons in 5.
And you only burn fat when it's below 10.
I would NEVER lose weight.

If I eat something my insulin spikes to 180.
A skinny persons spikes to 40 and in 2-3 hours goes back to 5.

Do the research.

>>38003246
fuck you.

>>38003257
I have done the research lol, and you're an idiot who must have not taken 9th grade bio yet. Ketosis is ONLY good for quick, short term weight loss. not for sustained weight loss from healthy, balanced eating.

>>38003271
Fucking loser, with fake ass tips.

https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fix-broken-metabolism/

A man who lived with the fucking snow people up in some fucking cold place ate nothing but fat and eat, 0 veggies, 0 vegetables and didn't have any sympomts of any disease.

He then later came fucking back to the USA and did the same shit under supervision by doctors in a mental insitution, yes they watched him 24/7 for 5 years and he was healthier than you are.

So fuck you and your fake nonsense tips that will send people into the hospital. Cunt.

>>38003300
BREAKING NEWS: EATING HEALTHIER WITH LOTS OF FRUITS AND VEGGIES WILL SEND YOU TO THE HOSPITAL!!

KETO IS THE ONLY WAY TO NOT DIE!!

are you actually fucking retarded? aspergian? which one?

>>38003121
I'm not the guy you're replying to
but please stop posting disinformation on a fitness board
when in a state of keto you're denying your body the carbohydrates it needs to form the atp chain to fuel your body, your nerve cells, your brain, etc.
we're gonna make this really simple and not get too into it, but;
in order to make up for this missing link, it needs two things: one part protein, one part fat, and it really is that simple. the atp chain is complete. however, the hormones that activate this process will just as readily remove it from your muscles as your fat stores, and that's why it's simply a crash diet and not something that's followed to the letter for years running. you need some source of carbohydrates so you're not cannibalizing first pathways.
true keto is dangerous, and ill-advised for long periods
low carb diets are very different, which many people are pitching as 'keto'.
so it's kind of hard to agree with you because i'm not sure which one you're pitching

>>38003271
You think the people who live in iglos grow vegetables. They fucking eat 80% of their diet in fat.

I eat 100g at least of FAT daily.
I eat 70-100g of protein and less than 20g of carbs.

I haven't had veggies for a month.
My vision is clearer.
I feel clearer in the head.
Every fucking thing about me is better.
My blood is perfect.
I lack no nutrition.

Fuck you again.

>>38003174
>too much protein
turns
to
glucose?
MOM
STOP
POSTING

>>38003331
>38003331
Hhahahaha, LOL. It's the EXACT opposite. No carbs = muscle GAIN. Let me find the RESEARCH and SCIENCE that disprove what you just said.

I have gained over 2lb of lean mass and lost 28lb. You cunts say it's impossible to lose weight and gain muscle. I fucking did it. So have many others.

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>>38003187

>>38003331
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_evJd_iZZzs

Check mate.

>>38003355
>No carbs = muscle GAIN
confirmed bait lmao. do keto if you want to shock your liver and kidneys, or you could just start eating less food and healthier and lose weight like a normal fucking human being.

>>38003174
Wow I guess all those rice eating asian fucks in the east are more obese than westerners right? Those poor rice farmers all got obese because they weren't enlightened by keto memes and taught to eat like the ancestors of other regions. With rice as a staple of their diet they must have the highest rates of diabetes in the world due to the carb equation you postulated.

oh wait they don't

>>38003187
>Lol, ketosis isn't the best way to burn fat... LOL. It's the ONLY way the body burns fat you fucking dingus.

Is keto your fucking religion or something? I lost 25lbs and 3 inches off my waistline in 3 months with a trash diet full of fast food & pizza buffets but I still did some cardio, lifting and maintained a 500 calorie defect.

Caloric restriction without resorting to a meme diet is a perfectly viable way to lose weight and works for many people.

http://www.today.com/health/man-loses-56-pounds-after-eating-only-mcdonalds-six-months-2D79329158

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8916080/ns/health-fitness/t/woman-says-mcdonalds-diet-took-weight/#.V5Eh-vkrKUk

>>38003378


I have already addressed calorie restriction.
You lose weight for a short period of time.
I promise you, you'll gain it all back.
No it's not my religion, I don't want to see OP destroy his life with your fucking shit advice.

>>38003257
>Fat does not turn to sugar.
Fat can be turned into glucose, a simple sugar.
The process is called gluconeogenesis.
This only happens if you're completely depleted of carbs, i'm just letting you know.

OP here. I've got a few months of preflight shit before I could even set a surgery date, so I will give this ketosis a go.
Thanks for the input and... motivational insults? I guess? Anyhow, got a couple of nice steaks to go grill for the famalam.

>>38003355
i fucking took the bait
what the fuck
i thought this was a real thread

>>38003378
Plese get on a mcdonalds diet.
Please.
We'll compare blood samples in just a month.

>>38002110
It's way more than 2000, otherwise you'd be losing weight. You can fool yourself, but you can't fool thermodynamics.

>>38003417
>>38003417
Facepalm.

https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/first-law-thermodynamics-irrelevant/

Why the first law of thermodynamics is irrelevant.
Did you finish grade 5?

>>38003300
>sample size of 1
Some people can smoke for their whole life, not get cancer or health issues connected to it and live to 100. Does that mean that smokes should be prescribed to literally everyone?

>>38003397
You're the dumbfuck giving shit advice here.

>>38003398
I know. It's scientifically insignificant compared to meat and carbs.

>>38003445
Dude, you don't know shit about ketosis and you make such stupid fucking comments... :S I'm out soon, instead of learning the science behind it you all just fucking comment with your balanced diet bullshit...?

Fuck you then, enjoy your mediocre gains and your shit health.

>>38003367
but..but he's talking about a low carb diet
are all low carb diets called keto now?
ketone bodies do the same thing, whether or not you're in 'starvation ketosis' (the video's coined term) or ketoacidosis, whether or not your ketone density is .5 ppm 3.0ppm , or 10+.
they break muscle down.
they break fat down.
they turn it into the missing glucose, which turns into atp.
this atp keeps the lights on, upstairs.
this is a short term thing, baby
this is not something you're doing 'all the time'
low carb diets encourage the .5, 1.5 ketone density area, which he talks about in the video

nowhere does he say anything that contradicts anything that I've said
>I'm in a bait thread and I can't wake up

>>38003407
wouldn't hurt to count your calories with your meal
bro.
the one keto bro advocating a low carb diet
and the three bros telling you to count your cals
are giving you valid advice
don't do the surgery, just have some self control

>>38003428
>>38003428
>>38003428
this guy is trolling
he's trying to kill the fat guy
>DUDE EAT AS MUCH AS YOU WANT DONT COUNT CALS JUST GO LOW CARB EAT 10kCAL BUT NO CARBS YOU'LL LOSE WEIGHT MAN

>>38003480
"They break muscle down."

Kek.

Should I send you a link that disproves that and in fact shows you gain muscle and that ketones protect lean muscle mass? :^)

If I wasn't a private person I'd share my health info with all of you. I had fucking asthma. Pre-diabetic. Always hungry, even right after I ate a big meal but felt full at the same time.

1 month of being in ketosis.
No asthma.
No signs of diabetes, but the reverse.
No muscle loss, but in fact I gained 2lb of lean muscle. (I have done ZERO working out on this diet, none. because I hate it and I'm a fat fuck and lazy.)

My blood is better than my doctors. He's a healthy 30's guy who worksout and eats his balanced diet.

>>38003524
yeah
I'm a med student
you're a bro
I'll discredit your article or help you read it
and save the fat guy you're telling that he needs to ignore his kcals

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>>38003367
>Dr. Stephen Phinney

>You may have heard the news that the nation’s doctors have had a change of heart about physical activity and no longer believe it to be a sensible way of staying slim. Don’t be too quick to put your feet up. All is not as it seems.

>The doctors responsible (or, arguably, irresponsible) for this claim are Aseem Malhotra, Tim Noakes, and Stephen Phinney.

>Stephen Phinney, the other co-author, is a scientific advisory board member of Atkins – as in the Atkins Diet – and has written several books extolling the low-carb way of life.

>Together they wrote a short editorial for the niche British Journal of Sports Medicine, in which they made the striking and unambiguous claim that ‘physical activity does not promote weight loss’. They then praised the alleged virtues of fat and called for legislation to clamp down on carbohydrates, especially sugar.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/04/ignore-the-quackery-and-get-active/

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>>38003524
>No muscle loss, but in fact I gained 2lb of lean muscle. (I have done ZERO working out on this diet, none. because I hate it and I'm a fat fuck and lazy.)

You're either going through puberty, trolling or both.

>>38003545
A doc not trained in nutrition.
Says he wants to save a bro, by counting calories.

Do you know what BMR is?
Do you know that if you eat 3000 calories your BMR burns 3000 calories?
Do you know that if you restrict calories and only burn half that, your BMR will be half that in a short period of time?

The OP can listen to you or watch the videos and take my testimony as either true or false.

>>38003558
Yeah I must be lying.
how about you ignore my trolling then and continue doing your balanced diet.

>>38003555
Do the actual science like I did.
Don't jerk off to articles with nothing to show for it.

>>38003592
>I build 2lb of lean muscle a month with 0 exercise

Literally impossible unless you're going through puberty or are on gear and exercising. Enjoyed the ruse cruise tho breh.

>>38002875
Can you explain the hand signs? 2 appear to be the i love you sign and the other looks like the sign for rock and roll.

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>>38003636
I didn't say a month. I said in a month. It slowed down to 1lb per month.

Impossible? Oh. I guess the test in the fucked up machine that showed everything about my body must be lying.

>>38003643
>>38003643
They mean the horned one. Or lucifer.

>>38001441
Dont worry dude after surgery you'll get full faster eating less and after so long your appetite will gradually decrease. Had a teacher who was 300lbs 5'10 and after the surgery everything changed. She said she hasnt been able to finish a full meal in 10 years but shes cool with it cause it keeps her in check. She said it was horrible at first but you learn to live with it and then you dont even notice it.

>>38003682
Or he can do what I did.
No surgery.
Eat fat, which makes you full.
I forget to eat sometimes. Usually I eat once every 24-48h (intermittent fasting) and I don't feel hungry, at all.

So pick OP. Nothing I told you was a lie. I'm out.

>>38003661
But with the thumb extended it doesn't mean that.

>>38003696
>eat fat which makes you full
Yeah and makes you fat wtf kinda fat you eating? 5lbs of avocados?

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>>38003701
"If you don't do a perfect triangle with ur hands it dont mean what it means."

>>38003720
I hate avocadoes.
I eat bacon.
Eggs.
Minched meat 30-70
basically the shit you think would give me a heartattack.

>>38003720
Cheese too. Like I fucking put it on everything.
Cream cheese my favourite.
Mmmm.

I literally eat what society says is "junk" and feel amazing. Losing weight. Blood is PERFECT. Cholesterol is PERFECT.

etc.

Basically this was my last hope. I have literally tried everything. Working out 3h a day (running) I didn't lose weight. (I did it for more than a year.)

I was a pure vegan for a year and a half. No weight loss.

I was a vegetarian for more than a year. No weight loss.

Ketosis? 28lb in a month.

>>38003734
Can you really not tell the difference between the handshapes _\m/ and |m|? Edgy conspiratard

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>>38000885
4 weeks ago I got a sleeve gastrectomy done, if anyone wants to ask me anything about that go ahead.

Not sure how different it is to a gastric bypass tho.

>>38003734
>>38003751
Dude what. You're gonna have to post pics to back this up man or Im swallowing the best bait of the day.

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>>38003773
>>38003773
Kek.

Anyway I am done here.
Jesus Christ is God.
Salvation is by faith alone.
Ketosis works. Adios.

>>38003790
I don't have picss. Like I said I am a very private guy. You can look at other testimonials though, I am not unique when it comes to this bro.

Google ketosis transformation and go to reddit and shit. It's all over the place. I didn't lie, I promise you that.

>>38003792
Never come back

You can eat mcdonalds and lose weight as long as you eat less calories than you burn. I think there are faties out there that don't understand this concept.

>>38003804
>I don't have picss.

You don't have a phone?

>Like I said I am a very private guy

Then block out your face.

Are you ashamed of having a body built on keto? I would be too

>>38000969
So, he'll pretty much go through all the trouble of eating right, except he'll be in terrible pain and have done surgery so that his body will NEVER be the same.

And to top it off, he'll not really change lifestyles, so once he learns how to "trick" his body into getting more food, he will do just that and get fat all over again.

Gastric bypass is such a meme surgery. Just eating less is better.

>>38003790
Retard. Has thou not read the sticky!?

Calories In - Calories Out. That othe retard is eating at a deficit so he loses weight. It doesn't matter if you're eating fucking chocolate for all your meals, if you eat the right amount you will get the expected results.

That said, fat is about the best you can eat to feel full, that and protein and fiber. That's probably why it's working for him.

>>38002025
>TDEE is close to 3000
>for 325

Bro I'm eating 2500 at 158 wtf am I gonna get fat?

>>38003916
Unless you're like 2 meters tall, yes.

>>38003347
Gluconeogenesis son, look it up.

>>38003783
IIRC the Bypass is essentially the same stomach downsizing as the sleeve, but they also remove a few feet of small intestine, which makes you less efficient at absorbing calories.

So how are you feeling? How long until normal mobility (walking driving)? How long to being able to exercise? Have you experienced the dreaded "dumping" yet?

Holy shit, this is why I hate nutrition. What a fucking junk science. Shitty peer review, wild conclusions. If any other scientific discipline behaved this way, it would be denounced as fucking witchcraft. This shit is the OG click bait.

>>38006581

>So how are you feeling?
I feel completely fine. The only time when I was in pain was during the first couple of days post op when I was still in hospital.

I get nauseous when I am hungry now, which is a bit annoying but I'm hoping that'll pass.

>How long until normal mobility?
Had to wait 2 weeks until being able to drive again.
With walking I'm still not the same as I am pre-op, I'm out of breath very quickly and need to sit down and take a break if I walk for too long. I asked my doctor how long it would take to return back to normal and he said ~6 weeks.

>How long until being able to exercise?
Depends on what type of exercise. I was allowed to walk and do body weight exercises as soon as I left the hospital, but for free weights and swimming I had to wait 3-4 weeks.

>Have you experienced "dumping"?
Nope. I haven't even heard of it until now.

>>38007398
What country are you in? Just wondering if there is a policy difference in care. I understood this it would be one night in the hospital tops, if everything went smoothly.

>>38007430
I'm in Australia. They wouldn't let me leave until I drank 1 litre of liquids, which was a bit hard during the first day since I was sleeping and drugged out on painkillers. Then I struggled to do it on the second day but I was able to do it on the third and they let me go on the fourth. Some people did leave after one night though, so maybe I'm just a bit of a puss

>>38007539
What did you have to do before the surgery? Meet with a gastroenterologist or heart specialist?Meet with a nutritionist or psychiatrist?

>>38000885
Doing this surgery means giving up all gains forever.

So yes, you COULD be skinnier (even that's not guaranteed), but you are guaranteed going to impair your ability to get gains.

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OP I am considering the same this August. I've spent all of this month eating better, working out, and I have lost maybe 2 pounds. My period has come because of the exercise and for some reason has been going on for 10 days now, and again for nothing.
I'm 5'3, female, and 241 pounds. I work out at least 30 minutes every day, and eat 2000-2250 max calories every day, and I'm going to die fat.

>>38007600
Can't exactly remember, but you're meant to go to some sort of presentation thing where they explain the surgery and why people are so fat now (because sugar), but I didn't go to that since a couple people in my family already had the surgery done. After that I had an appointment with the surgeon and we just talked and that's when I booked the surgery, he also gave me some paperwork to get some blood samples taken or w/e. 2 weeks before the surgery I met with the nutritionist and she said that I needed to go on a diet beforehand to reduce the size of my liver to make the operation easier.

>>38007621
LMFAO yeah fuck gains.

>>38007751
Oh yeah, before all that I had to get a referral from my GP

>>38007713
Damn, I feel your pain. Do you at least feel better, period aside?
>>38007751
Holy shit, that is pretty straigh forward.
So far I have had-
The 3 hour orientation, with videos and testimonies.
Physical and letter of reco from my PCP.
6 months with the nutritionist.
Met with Cardiologist for EKG
Met with Sleep Apnea specialist
Meeting with the gastroenterologist next week
Met with a psychiatrist and did numerous tests to evaluate my mental health.
And a gall bladder ultrasound.

>>38007818

No, nothing has changed at all. Some days I wake up "feeling" smaller but my clothes fit the same, the bloat kicks in later in the day, and obviously the scale isn't moving. I honestly am about to go back to eating fast food all day and not worrying about it.

>>38007861
I've been working out pretty steadily for about 15 years (5 on my own/at home and 10 with the benefit of a gym). My endurance has increased, my strength has increased, and my weight has increased.
Diet seems almost comically divorced from it. Eat like a Saint for a month. No weight change. Fall of the wagon and eat shit for two weeks, lose 5 pounds. Starting to think my own body is trolling me.

>>38002824
check your thyroid?

>>38002845
chronic fatty here and this is actually the easiest way for me. it works for a few days.