Can we agree that the obesity epidemic is rooted in shitty parenting?

>>37995877
Yeah, I was fat my entire childhood my mom fed me mcdonalds everyday

it wasnt until I was 15 that I realized how fat I was

Thats the summary of whats wrong with most people.

>>37995877
yeah

there's a ton of papers about how obesity and bad fitness habits are contagious (here's a free one for nonacademic fags)
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmsa066082#t=article

>>37995877
Most problem a child has are from dumb parents anon. That's why some kids managed to get their dick wet and others don't. Most kids on the sports teams lucked out even though their fucking idiots that will never face a real challenge in life.

>>37995887
Sames bro. My step mom knew Fuck all about nutrition so she would always buy prepackaged and frozen bullshit and fast food for us to eat. Wasn't until I was in high school that I started to notice how fucked my diet was. Started weight training in gym class and did my own research on nutrition. Holy Fuck was I wayyyy off

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>>37995920
another
https://tbiomed.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1742-4682-10-17

>>37995940
Didn't know I was such a minioriry.

No. The obesity epidemic is rooted in the food industry with GMOs and fast food restaurants.

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I was an obese kid and still have weight problems as an adult. My parents tried everything to stop me being a lardass as a kid. Visits to dietitians, watching me like a hawk so I wouldn't snack. My dad and mum would take turns going on bike rides with me to try help me lose weight. They constantly encourage me to eat healthy and try lose weight up until I left.

I just have had problems with food since I was a toddler. Just almost addict like compulsion to binge eat.
Half genetics and half me being a massive piece of shit.
It's not always the parents fault.

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>>37995995
>gmo hate
>2016

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Lazy/single moms, absolutely.

My mom was lazy as fuck, even though she was stay-at-home & pampered by my dad... we would eat premade food regularly.

I fucking hate that bitch.

>>37995877
i know fat people with amazing [and fit] parents.

>>37996088
Bro you should kill her

>>37996149
too late, moved out

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The obesity epidemic is the result of poor people thinking that they can afford to be decadent.

>>37995957
Well yeah the average american male is something like 32% body fat.
Let alone the countless other percentages until you drop down to healthy fat range.
we are fucked and Europe isn't far behind.
If I can find a post on it UK has more morbidly obese people, but less fat people in general.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/may/29/how-obese-is-the-uk-obesity-rates-compare-other-countries
found it.
UK is only 4% behind U.S. in overweight-general.
Greece is utterly fucked.

>>37995877
yeah

>>37996196
32% seriously? what the fuck

>>37996280
citation provided
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/Pages/overweight-obesity-statistics.aspx
2/3s of the population is overweight in general this doesn't mean y'know gross amounts of fat, it could be something like 25-26% (which to me is still extreme).
1/3 of the population is obese or morbidly obese.
the remaining 1/3 is anywhere from 1% body fat to 25% which is still a huge gap in numbers.

If you're at 14% body fat you're one of maybe only a million or so people at that body fat.
In comparison to the 330+ million U.S. citizens.

>>37996319
the same people that claim im an alcoholic for having 6 beers a week.

>>37995995
>food makes people fat
>People don't make people fat

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>>37996178

Fuck.

>>37996196
Damn 32%..? Wow. That's fucking crazy. I'm honestly around that probably. I'm 215 but still fat sorta.

>>37996413
The only way to actually know your body fat for certain is to take what is known as a lipid blood test, it's much like a cholesterol test, but you have to fast for I want to say a good day or two before hand and drink a certain amount of water (which is calculated by your bmi).
This will show the doctors trace signals that will let them know pretty accurately what your body fat is and which fats (or sugars being converted to fat) you need to let up on. This is extremely helpful due to the fact your body needs certain fats to operate, but if you're intaking a particularly large amount of a certain medium chain fat (saturated fat) say found only in red meat, well you can cut those portions down a little bit and change nothing else.

Doctors checkups are unbelievably important, if you have health insurance I recommend you get full blood work done yearly.

>>37996348
the same people that claimed I was less healthy than them for smoking a pack a day for 5 years, when I could out run and lift everyone of them.
fucking fatties.

>>37995877
Absolutely,

I was a fucking ogre when I was a child, 90kg 1,60cm when I was a child.

The moment I moved out of my single mother's house I lost all that weight and became normal weight even without working out and just eating healthy, which my mother never allowed me to.

Now the only question is how to get these fucking stretch lines away.

>>37995877
Sure is /pol/ in here

>>37996669
i dont think so. i grew up on domino's pizzas because they were 3 medium pizzas were 15 dollars. i was overweight by 10 or 15 pounds in my early adolescence but at 14 i immediately took my body into my own hands. i began exercising, running, i took as many p.e. classes in school as possible, began weight training after school. and it's not like i had a god metabolism where i could eat whatever and be fine. i'm a 5'5 manlet, so eating 2000 calories a day is 300 calories over my bmr.

i just did some google searches, talked to the school coaches, lurked on bodybuilding forums, and just learned because i had a motivation to change myself.

>>37996735
My single mother and my sister made constant fun of me when I tried to lose weight and exercise. My mother didn't allow me to buy healthy food because "money's tight honey" and "McDonalds is more bang for our buck you know we don't have much" even though I didn't want expensive healthy food just not complete cancerous garbage.

One of the reasons I moved out the day I turned 18, single mothers shouldn't be allowed.

>>37996752
>you can drive a car with your feet if you want to

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>>37996579
The navy has that way where they put you in a tub with a scale and since fats buoyant it gets it probably just as well as the blood test. I'll look into the bloodwork, you got a point. I'll probably start donating plasma anyway because why not?

>>37996709
>look ma! I said it again! By claiming that members of a certain board are in this thread I have managed to establish intellectual superiority!

>>37997010
Kek
>>37996752
I've never really seen the reasoning for this. You can go to sams club or Walmart and get a 25 pound bag of rice for like 12.99. Then buy a mix of chicken, steak and vegetables. Just get massive bags of each one. Eggs and toast for breakfast, nobody eats lunch and ass tons of rice, meat and vegetables for dinner. Plenty to go around! Plus, you can buy multivitamins and basically be set. Coffee and other shit aren't needed, so sorry.

>>37996709
>>37997047
Can't decide which is worse. You both are just 2damwitty

>>37997085
>advocates eating breakfast and says coffee isn't necessary

Sipping on coffee throughout the day and eating one meal in the evening is how you be healthy while saving money.

>>37997099
I guess if you get your 2,000 calories all in one meal. 3 eggs+2 pieces of bread is like 400-600 calories. That bait was fucking retarded anon, devils advocate.

>>37997085
Yea just that I didn't have any money when I was a child. As I said my mother was poor, I didn't get any money from her and I'm not from the US so it was illegal for an underage to work.

I was literally bound to be fat because of my mother, I had no other option and the moment an option was available I took it - moved out on my 18th birthday.

>>37997114
All breakfast does is make you hungry again a few hours later. It's a waste of money and calories.

My mom and family taught me how to eat wrong. I still love them, but they were pretty backwards.

>>37995940
>epidemic year
>100

People freaking out about how Jesus came back to life a century ago and how 6 x 10 ^ 4 (60000) people are obese

>>37996159
Is she alive? If so it's not too late.

>>37995887
Didn't do anything about it until I was 19 and I found the sticky

If only someone had told me how easy it was to count calories

>>37995995
GMOs are fine you dirty hippy

>>37995995
Public education right here fellas

>>37996088
I basically lived on cereal

>>37997300
Because scientists said so! Scientists are never wrong or corrupted by money!

ABSOLUTELY. Funny how obesity goes hand in hand with lazy retarded motherfuckers. Some are smart enough to make complicated excuses why they can't just work... at anything

no, every single thing that you do and are is 100% completely your choice

all fat people choose to be fat, regardless of the supposed influence of their parents

an individuals problems are created and persisted by themselves, and themselves alone, there is no other factor

the obesity epidemic is not caused by bad parents, but by bad children

choose the right

>>37996159
good for you. Now go make a family and make sure your kids get a proper treatment by your wife (and yourself...)

>>37995877
I'd say it's a combination of shitty parenting and a lackluster education system because parenting and education are there to balance eachother out but they're both failing on nutrition

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>>37995877
>be neet loser
>parents give me money for massive amounts of junk food
>give me money for cigs
>give me money for alcohol even though I was a literal alcoholic who would piss himself in his sleep
here's where it gets interesting
>decide to turn things around
>quit alcohol, replace cigs with vape, join gym, eat clean
>they don't want to give me money for gym
>don't want to give me money for supplements
>don't want to give me money for vaping even though it costs a fraction of what cigs cost
go figure. granted I should be independent at my age but still.

oh by the way they're both obese (as am I).

>>37999250
Lie to them

>>37995877
It's rooted in capitalism.
Companies sell food. They want to sell more and more food to increase their revenue. But the population only grows so fast. So what is the solution? Get everyone to eat more.
They have marketing teams, psychologists and loads of other professionals who specialize in this shit. Get everyone hooked on your food. Make it addictive. Find ways to make people buy it when they normally wouldn't (new recipe! new variety! win something! buy 10 and get x!).

Of course, there are ways to protect you from all that (better parenting, being better informed, having the will to not get fat). But you kind of need to be protected in the first place, which shows that the main issue is not bad parenting or lack of willpower.

>>37997350
These guys who spent 8 years of their life getting a Ph.D are all wrong or corrupted, except the ones who agree with me! The opinion that I defend has nothing to do with my emotions, I used a methodological approached using sources which I know for a fact are reliable and non corrupted!

>>37999829
>I used a methodological approached using sources which I know for a fact are reliable and non corrupted!

haha ebin

>These guys who spent 8 years of their life getting a Ph.D are all wrong or corrupted

Because they're all studying the same thing or actually test each other's results. Get fuckin real pal. Scientists get paid money to say what Megacorp wants them to say.

Don't worry guys with Pokemon Go obesity will be a thing of the past

>>37999847
Maybe in 'murrika, senpai.

>>37999847
Kill yourself you stupid fuck.

>>37999915
Ok, loyal adherent of the religion of science. Where's the nearest church of this new religion?

>>37997300
It's not the GMOs themselves that are bad, it's why we have to have them. Currently corn and soybeans in the US are bred to be resistant to roundup... So people can spray roundup on them
http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/roundup-ready-crops/

>>37999999
Kill yourself.

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>>37999999

>>39000000

>>38000000

>>37999999
Holy fucking shit
>wasted a chance of a lifetime

>>37996319
I hate this stupid country
What happened to us? Why did the "greatest generation" fuck up so badly at raising their kids?

>>37997350
>>37995995
>the "I don't know science or history" starter pack
We've been modifying our foods for thousands of years, retard

>>37999999
WITNESSED

>>38000093
Hail Monsanto and their brilliant, non-corrupt science!

>>37999719
Kys commie

>>38000109
>thousands of years
Inb4 muh new world order

I blame republicans

>>37995877
stop trying to blame the fact that you are fat on your parents.

Unless you are 12, you are your own person, capable of making your own decisions about what goes into your body. If your parents insist on buying shit food, get a job (preferably manually intensive) and do your own groceries.

You fat people reek of entitlement. KYS

>>37995887
I remember beign jealous of my friend whose mother was feeding him that shit almost erryday

>>37999250
Show them the twisted logic of their thinking

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>>37999999
Worst get ever

>>38000175
kek

>>37999999
F U C K
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Here in Ireland there is serious talk that a law will be brought in to punish the parents of overweight/unhealthy kids. They are also in the process of making P.E. (physical education) a compulsory and graded subject which you will need to pass to move on to third level education.

>sister has a child
>feeds her McDonald's almost daily
>lets her have cookies, icecream, candy no matter the time of day
>never goes outside with her
>refuses to pay for dance classes
>Mfw slowly have to watch my 5 year old niece get fat
>Mfw my niece will get bullied her whole life because my sister is a piece of shit parent

At least they moved in with my cousin, who is a health freak. I'm hoping she can get my niece in check before it's too late, and get her away from the path of morbid obesity. I've never wanted to slap someone's shit up so much about eating like crap until my niece was born. The sad part is, my sister thinks that this is somehow okay and normal for a child to be 20 pounds overweight.

>>37999999
fuck, but what is
>>38000000
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>>37999250
to be fair, supplements are expensive and unnecessary for the most part. creatine + cheap whey is all you need.

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Its not your parents fault, or your fault that you are fat

Here is a historical greentext story to soothe your anger:


>for thousands of years people have EATEN FOOD and WORKDED HARD TO LIVE
>The food they ate and also fed to their children was whatever they could get/liked through finding it/ growing it
>Just so happened that all that food was organic and local.
>And life was more active, you really had to do stuff physically
>So they ate good food, worked hard, had sex, raised families, grew old and passed away
>there was no need to acumulate knowledge on what "good food" or "healthy food" or "organic/ Non GMO/ fair trade/ etc" was
>When the corporate food machine started getting smart/ profitable
>the quality of food dropped
>the availability of food skyrocketed. (4 twinkies for a dollar)
>knowledge of what to eat and feed your kids remained the same: eat what you can get/ like.
>only they did not know that what they could get and liked had CHANGED.
>this is like being a boxer and being put against a thai fighter
>their guard is up for what they traditionally looked out for (spoilage/ bad smells/ contamination)
>but they had know Idea, Knowledge, or understanding of the Leg kicks that were to come.
>so the generation never saw it coming
>the game got more complicated and they fell on their faces.
>demanding that your parents "should have known better" is ludicrous.
>YOUR JOB IS TO EDUCATE YOURSELF, FIX YOUR OWN PROBLEMS IF YOU CAN, HELP OTHER FIX THEMSELFS, FIGHT THE MACHINE WITH YOUR DOLLAR VOTE


- former fattie

>>38000284
Lets bring back PE as a serious subject
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fISgKl8dB3M

>>37996054
He argues that you can't hate gmo because of all the scientific research done on them.
>He doesn't know almost no proper, unbiased research has been done because the gmo producers have actively blocked all legislation and research at every turn.
TL:DR Science shows gmo's are safe despite insufficient scientific research into gmo's.

>>37996735
> but at 14 i immediately took my body into my own hands.
Most guys start that at 12 or 13, what took so long?

>>38000562

Is 2000+ studies all showing the same conclusion insufficient? According to who? You?

Who are you? Why does your opinion on a scientific matter have any weight?

Are you a scientist? Hold a masters? Hold a bachelor? Nigga what the fuck.

>>37999250
Don't ingest sugar or starches and walk everywhere, the lbs will come off take pictures of yourself you'll see.

>>37999930
The nearest uni

>>38000671
Show me 5 done by groups that can't either benefit from or be harmed by the gmo companies out of 2000 5 shouldn't be hard. And that doesn't even address the fact those companies patented the food then actively ran their competition out of business so that they actually own the food even after the farmer has grown it.

>>38000727

> benefit from or be harmed by

What a convenient broad & subjective criteria to be set by you.

It must make arguing easier when you're the arbitrator of what meets or fails to meet a criteria.

Fantastic stuff.

>>38000513
My god that's amazing.

Also, show me some gets
>>38000000
>>37999999

>>37995887
MY mom used to threaten to put me on diets and then I would wine and cry and she would just feed me more junk food.

>>38000089
Because of how we were raised, when my dad was a child ADHD didn't exist.
You acted up and you got the shit beat out of you or grandma smacked you across the face with a wooden ladle.
You instinctively corrected yourself because you didn't want to be hurt anymore.
Somewhere along the way we stopped beating children and we started letting them get away with more and more.
Lack of discipline goes hand in hand with gluttony and sloth.
Granted children shouldn't be beaten half to death, but I'm all for whooping some ass.

I've seen the benefits of it first hand.
My best friend has a child who is now I'll say roughly 8.
The child is outside working all day picking up sticks or mowing the yard, he doesn't ever get to snack on junk food.
He gets 4 eggs for breakfast, a baked potato for lunch, and a home meal every night.
Orange juice or water.
That's it.

Little fucker has a 4 pack at 8, his forearms are huge, he will be a pussy magnet when he is a bit older.

>>38000788
dude I've just been watching you drop these intense truth nuggets in thread after thread.

you are now my favorite trip

disclaimer - I don't beat my kids, but they respect me and listen to every single thing I say. Everywhere they go people say shit like
>wow, so disciplined
or
>I've never seen kids be so calm and quiet, and your kids aren't even playing on a tablet!
or
>omg how do you get your kids to eat veggies? my kids hate veggies teehee

parents these days are legitimately retarded

The obesity epidemic is a direct result of us putting added sugar in every goddamn thing. Without added sugar, you'd actually have to try pretty hard to be fat.

Look at how many guys on here complain about how they can't eat enough to bulk. Now imagine doing the same thing with the added restriction of no sugar, and zero exercise.

>>37995877
No, we can't, because that then raises the question of the shitty parenting epidemic. The shitty parenting epidemic that lead to the obesity epidemic would also manifest in high unemployment among the obese, and while that may be the case for 18-24 year olds, for other equally fat demographics it is not the case. There are plenty of fat people who may have learned bad eating habits but otherwise learned to support themselves.

>>38000963
This so much

Try getting fat on paleo

You'd have to try hard

>>38000481
I just want cheap useful stuff: unflavoured whey, creatine, dextrose, caffeine, multivit, multimineral, fiber. I don't even need the last 3 unless I'm doing PSMF.

Also consider this
>whey is cheaper than chicken breast
>dextrose is much cheaper than bananas
>caffeine is much cheaper than energy drinks

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>>38000943
My part time job is a nutritionist, but my niche is how chemical processes hinder or help the body. I actually want to get my phd in chemistry eventually so I can provide my own citations (not on 4chan of course).

I appreciate the support though!

Yeah I've learned a lot babysitting my two nieces and hanging out around with friends who have kids, I honestly don't know If I could do what you do.
Keeping my own discipline in check and studying/working out/having a job takes almost all my time. Let alone taking care of a life form and trying to make it a productive human one day.
Good on you brother.

>>38000788
That's classic right wing retard thought.
To be very clear, I sit on the right, politically, but people who say "beat your children, that'll teach em" are in the same league as "let's teach creationism in school" and "abortion is a sin against God so it should be illegal". They make the rest of us look stupid, in the same way that SJWs make the left look stupid.

Discipline is imperative to children's development. A child's parent should be able to lay hands on the child without fear of public shame or worse. However, that laying hands should be for restraint, or picking up and moving an unruly child, and almost never for corporal punishment. It should be a no brainer that children need to have privileges taken away when they misbehave, and that punishments should mean something and fit the crime, not just act as a token.

All this being said, ADD and ADHD are both real, very real, and of course they existed when your dad was a child, and when your grandpa was a child and before that. They continue to exist today. They are vastly OVERDIAGNOSED conditions because parents fail to take responsibility for their children's discipline, and worse than that, schools and other child care have next to no power of discipline for the children in their care. Parents look for an excuse, unruly children are wilful because of their parents' failures, the parents beg the doctor for a diagnosis to excuse them of responsibility. Hitting the kids won't fix that, but consistent and appropriate discipline may fix it in many cases, though some children really will require further care and a very small amount will require medication.

>>38000508
Hey retard take a look at life expectancy back then and now.

>Grew old and died

Old was like early 40s. Food has also been modified forever including cross breeding for desirable traits and efficiency.

>I wish we could go back in time 300 years to "natural" food where infant mortality was rampant and no one but ultra rich ate anything but tubers because it was too expensive.

Can't believe you people still get to vote..

>>38000508
Nice greentext, and yea, you are right. The parents, the generations never had the imagination to comprehend the changes until it was already too late.

It seems like evolution does not stop. Even as we move through the industrial era, it still is going, it still is coming back in a different, but still lethal and more long term form (like negligence, greed and just uncaringness for the creation of your product for the people)

When the founding fathers warned us of eternal vigilance, they should have said that it applies to the whole of life. Because that is what we should be doing.

The beasts feasted on poisonous/weird food, the science didnt keep up with the decay and now the people who gambled their families lives, their DNA on this lifestyle will be out of the evolution cycle in some time.

Neat.

>>38000990
Good luck buying $3 of whey at a time dipset

>>38001030
Man, could you help examine.com? That site needs more people to go through all the research. I use that site all the time but some of the more rare things I cannot find.

>>38001061
>hurr what is a mean
Did you fail Middleschool math?

>>37996000
Your parents enabled you

>>37995877
I disagree. It started because of a lack of information about good nutritional habits. But there are other causes now, poverty being one of the biggest. We all know that eating healthy is more expensive than a $1 cheeseburger from mcronalds. Not to mention there are still places in the states that don't have easy access to fresh foods - food deserts as they are called.

That being said, if the parent doesn't care enough about their health, they aren't going to be able to take care of their kids.

>>38001081
Go ahead and explain how averages of a data set refute my points..

>>37997350
>im incapable of reading the conflict of interest section in a research paper and would rather make broad generalizations

>>38001107
>healthy foods being expensive meme

If you want to go overboard, sure, it could get more expensive.

But at the middle ground, where it is somewhat easier. Its actually cheaper.

>eggs
cheap ass balls
>chicken breasts
CHEAP ASS BALLS for their micro's and calories

fug what more do you need? There are so many cheap ingredients. From flour that has nothing added to it. To spaghetti. Veggies are also less expensive than the other food (at least for me).

Plus if you want to lose fat, it will be automatically less expensive because all you need to do is NOT FUCKING EAT SO MUCH (HINT: BUY LESS AS WELL BECAUSE YOU DONT NEED MUCH)

fuck, I hate faggots like you. Also WATER IS CHEAPER THAN SODA.

>>38001107
>We all know that eating healthy is more expensive than a $1 cheeseburger from mcronalds
is this really true in the states? I'd have to eat at least 4 cheeseburgers to feel satiated. Where I live with those $4 I could get 1lb raw chicken breast and a bunch of veg + rice, for example.

>>38001057
Anon I really think you're taking the part where I said beat your kids a little too literally.
I even mentioned it later that you should not beat your kids half to death.

Physical stimuli is proven to work in normal functioning human children and any animal that has the ability to process long term memories.
You better believe the first time I had a spoon smacked on my knuckles for reaching across the table without asking I corrected myself and politely asked for whatever it is I wanted.
You can believe what you want about the lack of corporal punishment. I'll continue to believe what I see with my own eyes. Which is that every child that doesn't have physical reinforcement added to their discipline is usually a pretty shitty child.
You don't even have to spank your kids, I lightly pinch the back of my nieces arm where the nerve is and she quickly acts better.

You also need to note that with all discipline and interactions in life there are levels of escalation.

A child who accidentally drops their plate could suffice with a scolding.
If it's a repeating offense you escalate as needed while explaining afterwords why they shouldn't drop their plate.

A child who is throwing a baseball at his little sister, you can skip straight to the physical punishment. It was equally escalated by his actions.

Also, unless ADD and ADHD are caused by an allergic response to a certain food or chemical.
>as seen by children who are allergic to gluten
or
>children allergic to red dye number 9
Both of which cause mood swinging, overly hyper interactions.
The rest of it is almost entirely meme/10.

It's like those fat people that say they have a thyroid condition so they can't lose weight, when losing weight clears most thyroid conditions and diseases.
same with diabetes.

Most ADHD problems are food related.

>>38001166
>fuck, I hate faggots like you

Calm your shit you asspained idiot. Your anecdotes don't apply to everyone. Not to mention you're talking about feeding yourself, this thread is about a parent feeding a family.

Educate yourself before you continue to spew idiocy.

>>38001206
>its cheaper to feed one person
>for some mystical reason cheap and healthy food like eggs x 4 = ?????

No its still cheaper you dumb fuck. Fukc you.

>>38001177
Triple dubs witnessed

>>37999871
Where else even fucking matters?

>>38001219
Wow, what a fucking idiot you are.

Did your eyes completely glaze over when you saw the word poverty in my post? Was that too complicated to keep your brain from locking up?

>feeding on person on $8.25 an hour
>feeding 2,3,4 people on $8.25 an hour

Go grab a calculator, I'll wait. I wouldn't want to be responsible for your aneurysm.

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>>38001079
>most researched
>fish oil
This site is pretty funny, I'll have to look at it some more, but yes it might be something I'm interested in. ty for bringing it to my attention.

I'm off for a while guys, take care.

>>38001030
I make my wife do all of the figurative heavy lifting while I take care of the literal

naw j/k it's a 2 person game. We get tired, we breakdown and have laughing fits, it just kidna comes naturally. Once/if you have kids you'll understand, it's different from babysitting.

I assume you've listened to some of Lustigs rantings? Quack or nah? I like him 2bh, agree 100% with his crazy musings.

>"eating fructose without fiber is basically like ingesting ethanol"

>>37995887
This x100. My mom wasn't fat, but she was a pothead, doing that. coupled with the fact my dad's side of the family would force me to clean my plate, I thought you were supposed to eat until you were sick and couldn't even bend over to take off your shoes.
Around age 16 my grandpa died and I felt sick and didn't want to eat, my mom kept reminding me of what a fat shit I was while I ate the taco bueno she bought me so I invested in a scale, stepped on the scale after 2 days of eating nothing but a bowl of cereal in the morning and I started losing weight.
>oh this is how you do it, you have to be hungry
>Can't believe they don't tell you this literally anywhere, just fucking starve sort of and you lose weight.
I stayed hungry for about a year until I got down to like 150 lbs, bulked back to 180 where I am now. Found /fit/ at about age 17 when I wanted to prevent becoming skinnyfat
>I'll be forever skinnyfat

>>38001266
are you fucking retarded? Did you never do basic math in school? Jesus fuck

>have thing like chicken breast, rice and other ingredients that are not shit that is 20% cheaper than garbage like frozen pizza
>5 bucks
>times 4 people = 20 bucks

>frozen pizza/garbage food per person = 6 bucks
>times 4 = 24 bucks

Srsly dude, if you got a normal wife you dont need to buy artificial (shit milk) for your babies. After that they can just eat with you.

Compare the goddamn calories, micro's of normal food, like flour (bread), eggs and other stuff to garbage food. Where I live, all the healthy things are cheaper by a lot. (because they are a little bit less complicated to produce...since you still need to cook them)

you tard

>>38001271
Look through all the other supplements and whatnot, they are pretty solid in debunking all the fad supplements. I saw almost zero corporate shillery in there. So they are pretty good at spotting bullshit and then putting up realistic results there. If you have the interest, they would probably like your contribution.

Good day to you.

>>38001202
>I learned to fear the spoon and corrected my behavior

You are like a dog anon, congratulations.

Any parent that can't correct their child's misbehavior without physical punishment shouldn't be a parent. It's fucking lazy.

>But muh personal anecdotes

I was never once hit by my parents, and only pinned by my father when I had a very occasional tantrum.

I have none of these shitty child habits you speak of and have a very calm and understanding personality which helps in all personal relationships as an adult.

I really hope you don't beat your kids because that instills serious psychological problems in all aspects of life in the future.

>>38001343
desu you sound like a passive aggressive cuck

>>37996669
I find putting insane amounts of lotion on while you reduce or increase in size helps with increasing the elasticity of skin. Also vitamin c since it's an important component of collagen. This can only do so much though, depends how much fat you had on you.

>>38001307
>where I live
>where I live
>where I live

Didn't I already talk to you about anecdotes? You are not everyone, not everyone lives where you live, your experiences aren't the same for everyone else.

Not to mention that I never said anything about frozen pizza. I specifically referenced $1 cheeseburgers. If you're going to tell me that you can get the same level of calories from non processed foods for less, then you need to get the fuck off this board.

Stop being a fucking moron, you are wrong and you've been proven so time and time again. Move the fuck on.

>>38001412
>Patient and understanding = passive aggressive cuck

Exactly the kind of pained and unhappy mental state that results from childhood beatings.

Please don't take your rage out on your kids or the sad cycle of abuse in your family will continue.

>>37997452
Not the guy you're replying to, but I would agree with the sentiment that children aren't fat of their own volition. However, if you become an adult and are still obese you're just being an ignorant fucker, m8

>>37995887
Same here

>>37999250
>vaping
kil yourself

>>37995877
Its true

My dad is the kind of guy who thinks sausage every day is healthy. I can see why he's a fat fuck

I live in MS and a good 1/3 of the population is the OP pic size.

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>>38002756
Pic related, I took it the other day. This is how fat the people here are

>>37995877
Dunno to be honest. I've struggled with my weight ever since I was a kid but my parents always cooked good home cooked meals and not too big portions. My problem was that I would sneak eat and steal chocolate and shit from their shop and gouge on it - started when I was about 7 years old and I started getting heavily bullied for being the only English kid in a Scottish school. My parents tried to help and cut me down on meals, kept an eye on me and made me exercise but yeah, I was a fat kid/teenager. Lost a shit load of weight in my 20s when I wanted to get laid, but a few years ago I got back up to 23 stone after being unemployed for a while. Currently 19stone 10lbs so it's going. Anyway, I don't think I can blame my parents or anyone else. I just ate because I was sad and that's always been my crux, that and a lack of willpower. So fuck knows. The only person I really blame is myself to be honest.

>>38002267
vaping is the superior and healthier option whether you like it or not. you only have a right to feel superior if you don't smoke at all.

>>38002267
Fuck you. Quitting smoking is the ONLY reason why you should have a vape. It helps a lot and is cheaper if you use pen vapes.

Everyone else that spends hundreds of dollars on flavored fog machines should suck cocks in hell.

All my parents knew about diet was that meals should be "balanced", but if you asked them what that means exactly, they couldn't tell you. We were pretty poor, so all of the food I ate growing up was all home cooked foods from scratch. Some were "healthy" some weren't. I was never once over weight, even during puberty when I was eating 3 plates worth of food every dinner. I'm convinced that is the secret to keeping your child's weight in check. If I ever have kids, I'm going to do my best to stay away from processed and prepackaged foods.

>>37995887
this

really starting to notice fat kids more and more when I go places

I always wonder what the parents must think. Like do they take personal responsibility for what they've done for their children or do they just think "ah well they're just genetically fat!"

Personally I'd be utterly ashamed if my kids were fat but hey that's just me. They'd be walking examples of how I failed as a parent.

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Post pics of fat kids. I want to rage.

>>38000671
They cite animal studies showing organ damage, gastrointestinal and immune system disorders, accelerated aging, and infertility.

>>37995995 Might be exagerating, but GMOs are by NO means healthy.

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Their parents would have to be literally blind not to see it. Do they hate themselves for what they've done?
They should.

>>37999999
im dan

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The inevitability of fat kids growing up fatter. This is a girl I actually know as a kid...

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>>38005681
... and then as a teenager.

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Worst thing is she had a skinny period in between. Oh, the things that could have been.

>>38005681
>filename

Yeah you deffo knew her all right, that's why your image of her was downloaded from 4chan

Started this summer doing a massive cut. Dad made fun of me for going to the gym, wouldn't even help me pay the daily gym rate when I was waiting for my first paycheck for my full-time summer job, explicitly saying "I have no problem paying for more important things". Mom made fun of me too and would have episodes where she'd scream and yell at me when I'd want to work out after working a 12-hour day late at night and I'd wake her up coming in the house afterword (or her dumb fucking dog would, really).

Now? I lost 40 lbs. Looked toned as fuck and ready to go back to college and fuck more sluts. Mom still screamed about how I spent $150 of my own money on gym clothes I needed from losing so much weight, all of which I bought heavily discounted. Dad refused to help pay my last batch of whey protein or preworkout, which is probably a good thing since I haven't used whey in so long due to such a low caloric intake, and I don't do pre much either.

Kinda went on a rant but a lot of parents just don't give a fuck. I go on an autistic rampage every time my mom makes a mom comment about some stupid shit like GMOs or eating avocado or not eating enough fruit.

I think it might be a boomer or X generation thing more than anything. They just don't give a fuck. Fuck them all.

>>37997312

I know that feel

>>37997118
Smaller portions anon
Jesus
You probably stuffed your fat maw full of fries and chicken nuggets there was no choice BUT to buy the cheap food at McDonald's all the time!

>>38005744
>gym isn't important

Boomers are dumb as fuck, your health is probably the most important asset you have and you should pay to maintain it

>>38001343
see
>>38001412
You sound really angsty, might not have been this way if you had corporal punishment.
All animals have an understanding that pain equals bad, that we should prevent pain.
If you don't understand this connection, you may want to take out your psychology101 book, they generally have an entire chapter dedicated to behavioral therapy.

>>38001325
The data is overwhelming in some of these studies, it's very exciting to see so many resources in one place.

>>38000093
we havnt been manipulating genes for that long, weve selectively bred, maximizig the potential of existing genes. which is a huge fucking difference

>>37995995
>GMOs
>Causing he obesity epidemic

GMO's by themselves are really not the issue like you think they are unless you are worried about produce modified to be sweeter by having a higher sugar content but that can be (and is) done with selective breeding and hybridisation.
The most commercially used GMO's simply have a gene input to make them resistant to herbicides and insecticides so you can spray the crops and kill only the weeds and bugs while the product stays alive. So the big issue is more to do with potentially higher levels of herbicides present within GMO products.

tl;dr wash your fucking vegetables dumbass

>>37995877
it's rooted in misinformation, lack of education, and addiction which is all supported by the company's profiting from low class obesity.

fat people's are not only addicted to sugar water and McDonald's, they think it's cheaper than buying actual groceries

>>37995887
This, my father would just fill me up with shitty food such as mayo. He wasn't a bad guy but he came from a poor family so he was giving me every thing he never had as a child (shitty food such as fastfood, sweets etc in a big amounts)

>>38005894
yes we have. it's called "artificial selection" and it's been used in domesticating plants and animals for tens of thousands of years..

>>38001343
>Any parent that can't correct their child's misbehavior without physical punishment shouldn't be a parent. It's fucking lazy.
Have you seen what America has come to without "physical punishment?"

looks like some half breed kid, hopefully it dies of a heart attack when its 300+ lbs

Between obese and overweight right now. I guess a lot of it has to do with parenting and how you were raised. I was always told I was really smart but I was just lazy so that made me content with poor grades. Sane with weight I guess. I was told I'm pretty athletic even though I'm fat. It made me content with never improving. Ultimately it was all me though. I'm really trying to change my mindset. I used to look at skinny people and think it must be nice to be able to be skinny. Now I look at them and realize there is nothing stopping me from being skinny. I also think being fat just makes you look like a lazy person who doesn't care about himself. I don't know though. Everyone's got their own battles.

>>38000196
Same man. We didn't often have many/any snacks or chocolate in the house, and when I went to friends' houses they had plenty of shitty food. I was always jealous of them, but I realise now the care my parents had for me.

>>38005887
I'm not angsty at all, I'm very happy with my life and relationships and I have a lot of respect for both my parents.
See
>>38001476

>>38007484
No one is saying don't punish children... Revoke special privileges, deny rewards, or assign special penalties like chores and other extra responsibilities. Make sure they know there are strict consequences for bad behavior.

Striking the child and leading by fear, aggression, and pain is terrible for dogs and other animals and is even worse for the psychological development of human children. There are countless studies on this, which is why it's so frowned upon.

Parents don't want to take the time to properly discipline children because it requires prolonged engagement, follow-up and explanations. Much easier to give a smack. So like I said, fucking lazy.

Friends and relatives including my wife were beaten as a child and the results are unanimous animosity towards their parents.

I'm sorry that you had a childhood of fear and intimidation at the hands of lazy and careless parents. But suggesting the same for others is really sickening.

>>38009456
Abuse isn't the same as giving a child a well deserved spanking.

And a hard thwack on the ass can be forgotten, but a few careless words can completely destroy a childs soul.

>>38009483
Easy, don't thwack your child's ass AND don't use abusive or hurtful language.

See my post above for suggestions for effective consequences.

>>38009518
How many children do you have and or help take care of?

>>37995932
Your parents didn't pay attention while you were learning to write?

>>37996088
>That bokeh
>Those creamy highlights

>>37999871
GMOs have to be clearly labled in the EU and britan and in most western countries.

They don't let the food megaconglomerates fuck around like America inc. does.

This might be a bit awkwardly worded because it was originally a conversation I had elsewhere, but it should convey the message.

We should view obesity as we view smoking, alcoholism, and drug addiction. All are degenerate choices someone makes that harm their own health and make them dead weight on society, pun not intended with regards to the obese. I think that when someone looks at an obese child, they should look at that child with the same horror as if they had just seen a child smoking, or drinking alcohol, and the parents should be punished for encouraging degeneracy in the same way.

>How should we punish parents?

Punish them in the same way you would punish parents who allow their children to drink or smoke. One firm warning, followed by regular meetings to ensure the child will lose weight. If the parents do not comply, the child becomes a ward of the court.

>How long would it take for this to make a change?

Not too long. It wouldn't change overnight, of course, but the fact so many parents would be learning about living a healthy lifestyle to help their children would encourage some of them to lose weight. In a few decades, being fat would be a shameful thing, like being an alcoholic, but, unlike an alcoholic, you cannot hide being fat.

>>38009539
To be fair, I don't have any children of my own yet, but will in the near future.

My experiences are based on the way my parents raised me and my two siblings to all be successful university graduates in stable, happy relationships and employment.

As well as seeing the very negative impact of physical punishment on other relatives, friends, and my wife as kids.

I have also seen the full spectrum or punishment styles and consequences and their relative effects when I spent a few years teaching. Both administered by myself, other teaching and tons of parents.

I'm not claiming to be a perfect parent, as if that could even exist, but there are plenty of studies available and the impacts of striking children and I have enough firsthand experience/witness with child discipline to know I will never hit my own and make them fear me.

Can't remember where i read it, but one of the biggest problems in the west is skinnyfat girls.
Those with a body that look normal/a bit flabby, but they have a high BF % and very low muscle %.

So they walk around, looking "good" and wears small/medium clothing, but they're obese and extremely unhealthy.

>>38000513

Thank you for this. For some reason this hit me very hard.

My mum was a great cook and made us eat a wide variety of stuff.

Annoys when when I see parents feeding their kids bland shit, because its not only unhealthy but it also makes sure the child grows into a pleb.

Yeah parents/grandparents gave me food constantly.

I mean I still will probably be fat until I kill myself, but me being fat doesn't have a factor in that. It's just hard to care.

>>37995932
You got some issues lingering from childhood you wanna get off your chest anon?

>>37997130
Got any other next level science you can make up for us retard?

The cause of the obesity is high time preferences, which in recent times have increased in society. For non-economists it suffices to say that people with high time preferences do not seek the long term benefit of not consuming and will prefer to consume now rather than later. They want the immediate satisfaction now, not the greater satisfaction further down the road.

The cause of high time preferences caries, but common example are a low IQ, absent parents, a philosophical view that tell one that they cannot impact what happens to them self and they simply float through time making none of their own decisions, abundance of credit and low competition for resources.