Do you warmup before weighted pull-ups/chin-ups?

>weighted pull-ups

>>37298984

>weighted pull-ups/chin-ups

doesn't that destroy your joints and ligaments?

>>37299035
Been doing weighted chins with 50-80kg extra for like, almost 4 years now (dat maintenance) at a weight of 88-93kg (fluctuate) and my joints are all fine, had 0 problems. Just do them correctly.

>>37299035
Who said that?

>>37299096

i haven't heard anyone say that but it just looks unsafe to me

>>37299111
Go to bed, mom

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Bump.

Also do you warmup with exercises like barbell curls or dips or calf raises or hip thrusters ?

I'm doing them as accessory work, not main lifts. All 8-12 reps. Is a warmup necessary?

>>37299035
No different from doing literally any exercise with weights

>>37298984
Pullups seems like the thing you do when you first walk in the gym and blow all your energy on so no warmup

>>37299359
If I'm not feeling lazy I'll do a bodyweight set or two. But generally just go right in with weighted. Assuming were still talking about chins, I aim for 3x5, since they're more compound than accessory and I'm also cutting.

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I'm amazed how people can lift that much weight, ffs I can do 20 wide pullups and only 5-6 with 0.5pl8 lol

>>37301759
This. Weighted pullups are tough. Though it seems, reading the words on the mirror, that he specializes in "extreme pullups"

>>37298984
I do 5 unweighted ones and then I do 5x5 with 20 kilos. If I did bigger weight I would probably add another set of warmup.

>>37299035
>>37299111
As long as you don't bomb the bottom part you should be ok. Pretty easy to get tendonitis on these things if you yank the bottom part.

>>37298984
Does a lion warm-up before it takes down a gazelle?

>>37301832
how the fuck are those two comparable at all you massive autist?

how do I even progress on weighted pull-ups?

the traditional 5x5/3x5/3x3 stuff just doesn't seem to work
i've been spinning my wheels on this exercise for a while now

>>37301759
>8 with 1pl8
>10-12 with no weight
I guess my endurance a shit

do a couple with bodyweight

then slowly add weight working up to working weights

>>37301905

zombieland, probably

>>37301912

5x5 ain't enough volume for the upper body. 5x5 is a prepatory weightlifting program that came out of England in the 40-50s. It's only meant to get a novice lifter (or someone only used to high reps) ready for 1-3 reps and to be done for two months max.

Do 8x3 (with the same weight across all sets and if you miss reps continuing until you reach 8x3) it's still low reps but has enough volume to get you progressing. 2-3/week.

>>37303963
>5x5 is not enough volume
>8x3 is enough volume
>one is 25 reps the other is 24

u wot m8

>>37303963
>ain't
Quit reading right there.

today I did
12 bodyweight
+10 kg 3 reps
+20 kg 3 reps
+30 kg 5 reps
+31.25 kg 5 reps
>1 RM chinup is nearing advance mode on symmetric strength
>still novice on bench/OHP because shoulder problem
>intermediate dead/squat
fucking kill me pls

>>37301912
i progress the best when I do 1 working set PR
kinda strange but it works for me
i'm >>37304148

I can only do 5 pullups so I cheat 5 more for a 3x10

I weigh 200 and only bench 150 3x8 since my shoulder is healing

Is this a good combo for balanced growth? I think I hurt my shoulder pushing too much, getting bench to 180 and thinking boxing is ok for post-workout and recovery days (its not).

>>37298984
Pls tell me those are bumper pl8s.
Was proud af of getting to 20kg (lmao1pl8) for reps.

>>37304223
Ivanko omezh (revolvers)
45each

Isn't that guy the founder of extremist-pullup site and bb.com misc "extermist pullup" crew

If i remember correctly, one guy there did full rom pullup with some ridiculous weight (like 350 or something)

why would you not warm up?

I generally do some scapular stuff before weighted pulls, followed by a couple real slow and easy pulls. I feel much stronger this way and don't feel metabolically drained.

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>>37298984

If they do heavy weighted sets, then yes.
One or two bodyweight set to 3 or 5 or 8 reps (depending on what their max is) is usually enough.

>>37299035

Joints and ligaments also adapt to training.

>>37301912

Weekly progression and DUP.
Have a volume workout, a light workout, and then an intensity workout where you try to max it out.
Use lighter increments.

If weekly progression doesn't work anymore for you, go for bi-weekly or periodize your training.

>>37304069

You'll be using more weight on 8x3 and it certainly ain't ramping like most 5x5 programs.

This would be clear to anyone with experience lifting rather than experience shitposting on /fit/ all day.

>>37299078
How much stronger have you gotten eating at maintenance for so long?

>>37304148

Stop going in 10kg jumps. You don't need it.

Do either:

>your max 5 (31) across all sets of 5. Increase weight when 5x5 is completed. You'll probably only get 3-4 in the 3rd-5th sets, so work slowly (i.e. a rep per session, or slightly above) until you can get 5x5 again and repeat. Consider deloading 80% for one session after hitting 5x5 if you feel it necessary.

>Stop ramping up in 10kg jumps - it's too much and you should be doing half that. You should really be doing 11/16/21/26/31 and the bodyweight set is next to useless for increasing weighted reps. (Feel free to do it as a 'pump' set afterwards though.)

>Cut out the ramping. Do 15/20 warm up and then three sets at 31kg. I'd recommend increasing reps slowly until you hit 3x5 before adding weight.

P.S.

Try light windmills (10kg)/db shrugs (20kg)/ breathing pullovers (10kg)/dymanic stretching - arm swings/rolls back for your shoulder problem. 1x20 for all a couple times per week. That should improve mobility and make them feel stronger within a month.

>>37304446
i blew my pec minor on the pec deck a few years ago, seeing a physiotherapist for it right now
he told me it healed like shit and the connective tissue is all messed up
he gave me deep frictions and he wants me to start maxing out on bp/ohp to see when the pain starts
i did bp 70kg x5 today and ohp 50kg x3 and my shoulder feels alright.
also thanks for the info, but what about the bodyweight set? do you recommend not starting with it for a warm up? straight into weighted chins?

>>37304336
Whats DUP?

Also, how the fuck do I do more than 2 o 3 pull-ups? I train at home. Its negatives the only way?

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>>37299035
I hope they do, need to make more room for these scoopz

>>37304505

Listen to the doc and ignore my shit, he knows best.

>do you recommend not starting with it for a warm up? straight into weighted chins?

Yes. The b/w set will only tire you out for the weighted pressing and dropping it will likely make your weighted max go up after a while. You'll get more than enough warm up doing 11/16/21/26/31 or simply two progressive sets before 3x5 31.

The 'pump set' concept comes from Bill Starr's The Strongest Shall Survive. It's a 80% of 5x5 done for 1x10 at the end of a 5x5 and really helps with growth.

>>37304575
thanks m8 will do

>>37304336
Trappy pls respond >>37304517

>>37301759
I'm at the exact opposite, I can do 5 with 17kg (0.85pl8) but only 9 or 10 at best with bodyweight. Shit endurance I guess.

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>>37304517

Daily Undulating Periodization
aka varying the load and volume on a daily basis
TM and Nuckol's programs are examples.

>how the fuck do I do more than 2 o 3 pull-ups?

Train your muscles.
Losing weight also helps.

>I train at home. Its negatives the only way?

Do you have a barbell?

>>37304517
>>37304716

Not a transvestite, but here's the down and dirty to improving bodyweight pull ups:

1.Find max. I.e. for you 2 or 3. If you can do only one 'grease the groove' until you can do 2.

2. Depending on max do 12x2/8x3/6x4/5x5/4x6/4x7/3x8 . I.e. if your current max is 4 reps do 6x4.

3. You'll likely only be able to do a few sets with your max before you start missing reps. Don't worry. Keep going slowly until you can hit all reps in the set scheme. For example in 8x3 if all you can do is 3/3/3/3/2/2/2/1 then add a rep (or reps depending on mood) each session until you are doing 8x3.

4. When you complete a rung move onto the next and don't think about skipping.

5. You can do this 2-3 times a week. After completing a rung feel free to have a deload session if the mood arises. I.e. if you're doing 4x6 do 4x3 for the deload before moving to 4x7.

This is an old school style of lifting which favours increasing reps before weight and has been popularized again by the Pavel Tsatsouline because it is perfect for static weight exercises like kettlebells or bodyweight.

I've used it for going from 4-8 pull ups using this rep scheme and increasing my pull ups hanging with a kettlebell through this rep scheme.

>>37304842
>Train your muscles
You know what I mean

>Do you have a barbell?
Yes, a little home gim.

What do you think about this? http://www.50pullups.com/

>>37304858
This sounds nice. Thanks

>>37301905
>nor recognizing the sage wisdom of the brofessor

Im doing pullups at home and i dont have weights like in OP's pic, any reason why cant use a backpack and load it up with heavy shit instead?

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>>37304884

There's no secret to it senpai. There are many methods and most will bring results, because you're a novice. You adapt and get strong fast.

But here's the answer:
Train your muscles (barbell rows/db rows/chinups/horizontal pullups/negatives/cheating)
Train with frequency (3-4x per week)
Get good rest.

At the level you're in you don't need periodized training or even make it too complicated.
Just get stronger. If you're skeleton, eat well. If you're fat, losing weight will make it easier.

A set or rep scheme is the last thing you should worry about at this point.

>>37298984
Warm up even without weights, just in case. Pulled a muscle yesterday for rushing straight to the pull up bar, lol.
>inb4 you fucking idiot

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>>37304858
>>37305213
>>37304884
>anon completely answers question about pull-up progression
>completely accurate on how to progress pull-ups
>trappy still has to reply in order to get attention
>tells a newb anon to do do barbell rows to help his ability to do pull-ups

>>37305681
Barbell rows won't help chin up or pull up strength at all

I row around 100lbs as an accessory lift, not even on the same day I do chins, I never even done these before, I've always done pull ups or chins as my main back lift


I do 5bw
25lbsx3
50lbsx1
Then can rep 75lbs with ease for working weight

Doing the movement bodyweight style, even if it's a little, or negatives will help more than some kind of useless lat pulldown or a row

>>37305681

Barbell rows will make your pull up stronger.
You're training the same muscles.

>>37305743

>100lbs rows

No wonder you don't see results.

I spent 6 months only rowing, no pull ups, and when I decided to try pullups I could do weighted with 90lbs added for reps.
I row 2pl8 for reps.

>>37306171
Is he not talking about DB rows..?

>>37305743
100 lbs barbell rows are weak as fuck. Keep doing them and progress until you can do 185 at the same bodyfat and see if your pull ups don't improve.

>>37306171
>I could do weighted with 90lbs added for reps.
>doesn't post own bodyweight
130lbs manlet confirmed

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>>37305681

Someone comes in and asks
"Hey I can do 20kg squats, how do I squat 50kg?"

What do you answer?

>>37305743

Is your bodyweight 100lbs?

>>37299096

Hawthorn.

I do 3x12 with 60lbs and I only do one warmup set of 10 reps using bodyweight going slow and controlled.

>>37306272
My weighted pull up and chins always improve at a good pace, even when I was cutting. I've switched more to a power building program and I'm recomping. I have to do pendlay rows on Day A and I don't like them, boring lift. It's an accessory lift in the program, I could go heavier but I'd rather slowly improve them because again, it's boring.

>>37299359
Fuck!!!!!!!!
>is that safe?

>>37304858

You're programming is right but I would recommend stopping a rep or two before your max on your first sets. So if your max is 4 you should be doing 8x3 and so on.

Only reason is being that training weighted pull ups to failure on every set is gonna be one hell of a day especially if you got more exercises in your program.

>>37304363
Most 5x5 discussed in here usually involves sets across.
And 8x3 would only involve slightly more weight.
There is no reason to be salty.

>>37306273
not same guy, but it obviously harder to add that much weight if you weigh less.
>what are proportions

Been doing weighted Chins in my workouts for a few years. By Injured my tailbone, so I only did weighted dips and chins exclusively for a few months. Started getting elbow tendinitis.

>>37306996
explain
nightmare mode: no retarded broscience

if you seriously think being 130lbs and doing +100lbs pull-ups is as difficult as (or somehow even more difficult than) being 220lbs and doing +100lbs pull-ups, then you're a retard

>>37307106

Hopefully this helps https://www.youtube.com/user/JDCav24/search?query=elbow

>>37301759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUeZhFdIeyo
;)

I'm still a weak fatty so I normally do 25 chins unweighted as a warm up in as many sets as it takes. I then do 10 reps minimum with 10kg, 1-2 reps per set.

I usually just warm up with bodyweight reps.

>>37298984
yes,
Usually a few muscle ups, that's all.

>>37304119
I bet you read it all

>>37299111
Go to bed mom

>>37299111

Haha, fucking fag.

I don't warm up for chins/pullups. I start doing 3x5 weighted. I work my way up to 5 and when I can do it each set, I increase weight currently can do 65/45 #

>>37301912
I do chins and dips.

I do 3x5 for chins, and 3x10 for dips

I started at 25 pounds for both and do both for 2 workouts each then add 5 pounds. Today I just hit 70 pounds on dips. Tomorrow I'll try 70 on chins. I did 65 for 3 workouts since I fucked up my first chin section and it was really hard so I added another one till I felt comfortable.

My progression has worked for me though. I mean, it's still hard but it's coming along and I'm surprised I got by 65 since I thought I was done for on the first day for both.

It might work for you. Drop your weight by 10 pounds if you're stuck. Then do for 2 workouts and move up

>>37304222
Don't cheat the pullups. I literally just got a clicking shoulder from fucking around and trying to do 1 armed chins.

If you're worried about your shoulder, use proper form and do what you can do, rest, then do another couple sets of that.

>>37303800
>>37304825
My niggas
20kg 3x5
14 bodyweight

>>37304884
You realize you're asking about how to do something from a guy that if there's anything he can't do, it's this don't you? You notice how he didn't even copy any other advice from another site?

Because all he knows about them is to do rows. He can't do the lift, just follow the other guy's advice

>hey trappy, tell me the finer points of a muscle up

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>>37311913

I've directly trained people who can strict pullup 2x bw full rom ;)

And I can muscle up myself, not even that hard senpai. Mostly just technique.

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>>37312442
Teach me your secrets.

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>>37312442

>>37312442
>>37312704
Yeah and I fucked your dad last night

>>37304982
it changes the angle a bit, and presses down your traps.
not as convenient. try to hold it with your legs.

>>37312442
None of this is true

>>37312442
(You)

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>>37313398
>>37313406
>>37313141
>>37313099

You haven't been around very strong people if you think any of that is impressive.

>>37312704

SS + GOMAD
CMON

>>37313438
how do i /routine/ my way into your bed?

>>37304336
kys
also everybody paying attention pls kys

>>37313438
how do you coach someone into doing pull ups when they cannot even do a single one? what's the method you use?

>>37313438
>You haven't been around very strong people if you think any of that is impressive.

It's not that I think it's impressive, I think you're just a terrible liar.

I get that you're mentally ill and everything, but aren't there other places online you can shitpost?

>>37313438
It isn't impressive. But the thing is that you personally haven't done what you're claiming. Simply throwing out "it isn't impressive" doesn't lend credence to your dubious claims.

Otherwise the guy who has links for everything would actually prove it. But you won't and you can't, and you'll throw out a bunch of red herrings to distract away from proving your claim

>>37299359
Depends on what exercises you've allready done. If the biceps are allready warmed up, then you don't need to warm them up.

>>37313438
You haven't been around your dad's asshole if you think it's unfucked from last night

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>>37313471

Negatives
Cheating reps
Heavy lat pulldown doubles using microplates (chinup grip) [you have to know how much the increments of the machine are for this. If it's not indicated on it, just calculate it by testing when the bar can hold your bodyweight]

Works really fast.
This last one we only really use for trainees that have difficulty with the first two (old or overweight couch potato)
Gotta keep in mind some trainees can develop elbow pain, specially older ones. But this is another entirely different matter.

>>37313474
>>37313503

Your minds would be blown if I told you the heaviest totals of people I've coached or helped with coaching in my gym.
And this is not even mentioning people I've helped on the internet.

But sure, "none of this is true".

>>37313438
seriously, go and find something useful to do, you dont know shit about training dude. I(Having a bachelor on sports science) decided to one day read your walls of text to see how much you know and maybe learn from you, but all you say is always bullshit, shit you can realize within 1month of training and listening to non-retard PTs. Really basic shit. Maybe if you can read that much, all those walls of text over and over again(or just copy paste) you may be able to read something beyond really basic stuff. Your walls of text and your I KNOW THIS SHIT LET ME HELP attitude is really stupid and annoying considering how little you know.
:)

>>37313561
>Your minds would be blown if I told you the heaviest totals of people I've coached or helped with coaching in my gym.
>And this is not even mentioning people I've helped on the internet.
>But sure, "none of this is true".

Something about a tranny who goes to med school, works in a gym coaching people to be elite lifters, and finds time to post routines for hours at a time on 4chan, all while providing no proof of any of their claims, triggers my bullshit alarm.

>>37312442
teach me the technique. i can do 18 good, widegrip pullups but cant quite get the muscle up. i watched some bideos on it (swinging, putting horizontal space between you and the bar on ascent) but i feel like im missing something. thanks in advance

>>37313561
thank's for the advice. I'm coaching a friend soon and one of his goals is to do a real pull up, which is something he's never been able to do.

>>37313561
It's really irrelevant what you claim. Though how you find the time to coach all these people while working out yourself, being a trap, and being on 4chan all the time is nothing short of amazing. Along with writing up articles for fisttacky and promoting it.

Here's an easy way to reinforce the legitimacy of a dubious claim though. Prove a part of it. Obviously it would be hard to prove all the people you coached, but you mentioned a rather easily proven part: you said you can do muscle ups. Post a webm of this occurring to stow doubt. Wear a mask if need be. But seeing as you know how to work a camera, and make webms, this shouldn't be a hard task.

Or keep claiming without proof.

>>37313597

It may well be bullshit, but 'helped with coaching' is a stupidly broad term in any case. I'm literally one of the worst regular lifters in my gym but it still falls to me on a regular basis to coach new lifters if the proper coaches are otherwise engaged. If you interpret it loosely enough, I've helped coach national champions in my strength sport and I'm a nobody.

>>37313654
Trappy claims to be a PT at their gym, (has not provided proof, of course)

The amount of people who follow whatever this trip says on their word alone astounds me. At least someone like Supermang uploaded videos of their lifts

>>37313670
after watching supermang i'd trust almost anyone over him for technical knowledge

>>37304925
Dom is cringe and tries too hard

>>37313685
I'd trust mang way much more than this mentally ill guy.
He may have the knowledge and realize his flaws but wont or cant change them but still better than this guy

>>37298984
I start with about 8 or so slowish pullups to the chest with a squeeze at the top. I feel like it helps get me to feel the lats work better that way.
My working sets is 175lbs bw + 75lbs

Also, back off sets with weighted pullups work really well. Do like 3 reps with a really heavy weight and everything feels light af after

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>>37313597

The world is an interesting place full of interesting people outside of the bedroom senpai.

>>37313595

k

>>37313598

This video is excellent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAw6IMk3Ogk

>>37313632

It's 3am senpai.
Here's a pic of one of my medschool books.

>>37313757
what the fuck is that language

your med school isnt taught in american?

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>>37313769

I'm brazilian senpai

>>37313757
>it's 3am

In otherwords, you will never post a video, webm, gif, of you doing a muscleup

Knew you'd find a way to weasle out of your claims. Surely there's no possible way to prove it other than now. "I will post it later in this thread or make a thread later today" is rather damning I'll admit.

Blahachan

>>37313757
Posting a textbook doesn't really prove anything. I could post some material from my neuroscience or biology courses and say the same thing.

Do you have transcript proof? I don't care if you edit out the name, or the university that you're going to. Just something that says "medical program".

>The world is an interesting place full of interesting people outside of the bedroom senpai.

It's also filled with autistic people who lie on imageboards to impress other autistic people

In the end though, feel free to not post any proof, you really have nothing to prove, and 4chan is pretty much inconsequential. I mostly just get butthurt that people are so ignorant they'll take advice from pretty much anyone who makes their advice sound good and comes up with dubious credentials.

>>37313796

You asked me to prove one of my claims.

I gave you a medschool book.

I'm not gonna go out 3am and try to record a muscle up.

>>37313807

Gosh ok let me see if I can find some paper around here.

>>37307200
the idea is 100lbs+100 is 2xbw is very hard compared to 200lbs+100 which is 1.5xbw.
Same idea as eddie hall deadlifting 1000lbs while twink shits deadlift much less even if its the same level of difficulty because its proportional to your mass

>>37313818
It is 3 am why the fuck are you up? Use your holidays to sleep.

But since you're here help me out, I'm following one of your routines and its been fine so far, but you always put Power Cleans in it, whats up with that? Are those really necessary? Is there something I can do instead of it?

I don't wanna learn that complicated movement desu.

Vai dormir trappy, ta frio e tarde pra caralho.

>>37313818
I really don't care that much, I stopped giving a shit about you when you stopped shitposting lewd stuff.

It's 2 AM here and I legit can't think of anything better to do with my time than harass a tranny online. Live your life however you want senpai. If you're really as successful as you claim you are, then good for you. If you lie about it, then maybe you need some psychological assessment or something

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>>37313807

Hopefully I don't regret this.

>>37313818
Check your email also, pls respond

>>37313818
I asked you to prove a fitness claim. There are at least two people questioning you. And I asked you to prove it in the easiest way possible on something I doubt you can do, but would legitimize a lot of what you say.

And I don't understand how you think being in med school proves the actual dubious claims you're making.

You're in med school. You're a full time tranny. You're a fitness trainer. You post in every thread on 4chan at all hours of the day. You run another website. You post a lot of longish articles about working out. You work out. You go out and take pics with your friends and have sex with dudes. You're on 4chan at 3 in the morning taking pictures and posting on every thread when you should be resting for med school or work.

I just gave you a way to stave off doubt by saying you can post a webm of you doing one later. Your only issue is the time. What will your excuse be later today? Tomorrow, the weekend when you don't go to school?
You've backed yourself into a corner here.

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>>37313807
>>37313872

>>37313872
Med school claim checks out, my opinion of you is up a tiny bit

>>37313872
>>37313880
translate please

>>37313875
>You go out and take pics with your friends and have sex with dudes
>have sex with dudes

>Trappy isn't a pure virgin waifu

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING DROPPED YOU FAUX ROASTIE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I AM SO FUCKING MAD

>>37313880
Does this say that you have herpes?

Gross

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>>37313898
me on the right ;)

>>37313915

And I'm also 75 years old.

No dude that's a patient we were studying on the PBL group.

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>>37313875
shit thats true i never thought of it that way.
if trappy has all these things hes doing on the side, why the fuck is he on fit 24/7??

>>37313929
I don't read your 3rd world language, English is the only acceptable way to speak

>>37299359
Am I missing something or is she sucking him off while benching? Also, I've been seeing these super arched backs for a while now and honestly I've been wondering how the fucking people are even that flexible.

>>37313929
im sorry, but is it true you get robbed at every left and right in brazil?
>go to brazil for vacation
>get off plane
>customs officer harasses me, bribe him away
>leave airport
>get mugged
>go to beach
>get mugged and stabbed
>die

that's how i envision brazil

>>37313923
Who taught you to dress yourself?

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>>37313938

Mobile phone
And I don't spend time on facebook or watching anime or even playing many games these days.

>>37313875

>and have sex with dudes

I wish

>You're on 4chan at 3 in the morning taking pictures and posting on every thread when you should be resting for med school or work.

Holiday tomorrow.
But yes I waste too much time on /fit/ and I should be sleeping right now.

>>37313975
trappy taught me.

>>37313782
>Brazilian
>Medical school
kek

>>37313141
>>37313398
>seeing skelly curlbros popping one armed pull ups for 3+ reps about every time I visit the gym
>not believing people can pull up+bw
this board is reaching new depths
also muscle ups are the equivalent of pullups + 0.25 bodyweight, it really isn't a big deal.

>>37314125

If they can actually do a strict one-arm pullup for reps, they're crazy good. Its like the one-arm handstand pushup - a lot of people can do kipping or leaning versions, the actual strict version is almost a myth its so rare.

>>37313835
>lifting 200lbs is harder than lifting 300lbs
what a load of horseshit

a person's bodyweight doesn't have even close to that much of an effect on how strong the lifter is
ESPECIALLY for bodyweight exercises like pull-ups and dips, where higher bodyweight makes it a fuckton harder

>>37313757
that video was actually helpful. i think i was too scared to loosen my grip and heem myself on the bar.

>>37314185
I agree its harder but bodyweight does matter and that is where the other poster was coming from

>>37299035

Look at open vs closed kinetic chain exercises.

The pull up is a closed kinetic chain exercise because it allows the body to move freely and find it's own path.

http://www.sparkpeople.com/blog/blog.asp?post=fitness_defined_open_and_closed_chain_exercises

>>37306456
Squat more you fucking mental patient

>>37306765

Yes, in fact this is recommended bench press form

>>37315241
Naturally squatting more will increase the weight but I think the point that trappy was trying to get across is that variation and accessory work will also improve a certain exercise.

Leg press, lunges, deadlift, leg curls, leg extensions, hip thrusts would all help improve the squat.

Similarly the pull up is a a back and biceps exercises so exercises like rows would help improve the pull up.

>>37314125
It's not about the act existing like you'd see if you read any farther. It's about the fact that trappy is making questionable claims. I know muscle ups and 2x body weight pullups exist, that was never in doubt, what I doubt however is that trappy coached people there and can do a muscleup.

But I agree, the board is reaching new depths when people jump in to white knight trappy without reading anything else.

>I'm not going to record a video of myself doing a muscle up at 11am! That's crazy!

>>37313757
okay just KYS filtered already

>can do 10 chins with no weight on a good day
>try weighted chins for the first time today and manage bw (85kg) + 20 kg x 4

is this normal? or is my endurance just shit? it doesn't really bother me, i'm just curious

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>>37315461
Doing rows will not train the full motion and movement pattern involved in pull-ups as well as fully contract the lats in the same way.

Comparing sqaut and pull up progression is apples to oranges accept in the the extreme beginning phase.

You don't need accessories to improve a squat from 20kg to 50kg you simply train the movement pattern. Same with people who cannot do more that 2 to 3 pull ups. Just do more fucking pull ups...Beyond that the number 2 method for pull up improvement is to lose body mass. Losing 5kg of body mass would do more for your pull up performance than improving your row 20kg.

Anyone who doubts this simply cannot do 15 dead hang pull ups or 5 with a 45lb plate strapped to them.

Even at a super advanced level doing extremely heavy weighted pull ups would be better for pull up gains than having a 120kg row.

>>37316140
i never got the rowing meme
>half rom on shoulder extension compared to vertical pull
>lat involvement means shit scap retraction
rows should be high to the chest and for traps/rhomboids/rear delts only
pull more vertically

>>37316166
You ever wonder why Olympic gymnasts are often able to deadlift 2x BW despite never training the movement...

>>37316221
wait, a roiding 80kg male that trains every day can pull 160kg?
wow
o
w

>>37316264
Yet the overwhelming majority of roiding powerlifters / bodybuilders can't do 10 full ROM pull ups...

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>>37316319