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>>37099405

>>37099405
what is her ig again?

>>37099432
Reverse image search it

>>37099449
WELL OBVIOUSLY I HAVE ALREADY TRIED THAT YOU FUCKING IMBECILE

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I'm pretty stoked guys, i got my order of Test E, Aromasin, Nolva, and Clomy finally sent and I'm just waiting for it to show up. My dumbass made it a bunch of separate orders through several fuckups so here's to hoping that none of that shit get's siezed by the feds. Is it true that with proper PCT and diet+training i will be able to keep a substantial amount of the gains. I'm honestly not trying to do anymore than this cycle but if it comes to it i might just get some primo depot further down the line.

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>>37099467
Well you're fucking terrible at it then. First link in reverse search is Katie Sheridan.

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>>37099533
@Stronglittle_monster

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>>37099467
I just found it, beg for it faggot.

>>37099547

No

>>37099544

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>>37099547
Charge your damn phone dude you're giving me anxiety.

>>37099555
Fuark shes Aussie
Gonna have to roadtrip and grab some chloroform

>>37099580
There's always one of you

Hey frawds.

I'm going on a cruise ship vacation next week. I want to look as dry as possible. I'm currently taking the following per week.
200mg test e
200mg deca
600 tren e

I'm still around 15% bf. (Leanest in my whole life. I was fat).

I have a bit of winstrol. At my bf would i see a noticeable difference in my physique if i took some or would it not be worth it?
I do get joint pain on winny, but i obviously wont be lifting on vacay.

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>>37099626
For reference

>>37099483
>primo

I remember being interested in steroids that werent tren

Got a bunch of var and winny though for some raisin

>>37099626
winny aint for fat fucks, faggot

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>>37099587
Calm down there llama.

>>37099763
Lmao

>>37099626

You can't bring your fraudgear on the cruise ship because they will scan your possessions, right? How will you deal with pct on the boat?

>>37099886
Im bringing two loaded syringes with my prescription EpiPens. I have allergies. Easy for me to travel.

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>>37099626
>>37099733
This.

I'am using winny atm, and i have used it at a higher bf. You know what it did? nothing, besides holding LBM, which was the purpose i was using it in the first place.

NO STEROID WILL MAKE YOU LEANER. goddammit, when will you learn it's all about food

FOOD and exercise makes you leaner.

hold on to your winstrol when you're at least at 9/10% bf.

At lower bf i would prefer masteron above winny. Both will give you that dry hard look at LOWER bodyfat. At higher bf it will do shit.

take msm glucosamin chondroïtin for your joints.

at ffs, reevaluate your diet

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Do any of y'all know who this chick is?

>>37100016
Thanks friend.

I've been cutting for about 10 weeks and I'm down about 15lbs. I'm learning a new relationship with food. I'm doing good so far, but it's hard. Being fat for many years is difficult to recover from. Feels like i have a mental disorder.

Diet is on point atm tho. Still grinding. Getting leaner all the time.

>>37100137
R u on steroids

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>>37099657
Heres my before pic in case any one gives a fuck. (You don't, i get it)

Nov 2014

>>37100199
Whatchu b looking like now

>>37100190
>>37099626
Yeah buddy, linked post is me.

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>>37100137
>>37100199
Good, that's a good accomplishment. Really good job.

If i were you, i would drop the deca and proceed with tren and test. Probably higher tren and lower test, is what most people use. Like you already have would be appropriate. I would carb cycle, or psfm as a diet. or just do what you did before, that worked for you diet-wise

If you are at 9% bodyfat you can use the winny to harden your physique

Yes i also have a mental disorder, i feel skinny most of the time. That's the price you pay for being better than other people

>>37100110
Snorl4x, you're welcome.

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>>37100220
lmao those naked pics.

skank 101

ALL WOMAN ARE WHORES REEEEEEE

>>37100016
Out of curiosity (f-for a friend, I swear), how would cycling (or B&C) change when sitting at a higher BF%? What do you do when you're not focused on aesthetics and lift just to get the highest numbers (strongman, powerlifting, etc.)?

steroids are for manlet faggots

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>>37100278
I don't understand your question

If i'am at a higher bf, i'am probably bulking while focussing on my weak body parts

I really don't care about pr's. It has nothing to do with bb imo

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>>37100210

This is from a week or two ago. Fucking love handles will be the last thing to go.

>>37100407
scooby-mode activated, congrats

>>37100251
Thanks

>>37100407
Gj m8
Winny isnt going to do much for you but sick pumps in a week

>>37100423
Idk if that's an insult or not, but I'll take it as a complement.

So, thanks pal.

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cooks vs cons is ok but it over relies on the suspense of the reveal, which is unsuspenseful

Atleast it doesnt get too into the feely bullshit like chopped and baking championship, those are just painful to watch, christ. I want to watch cooking, not "ohh boo hoo I'm cooking to show how strong womyn are"

this is why cutthroat kitchen and GGG are the best

>>37100278
more ai
dont worry about dry/wet compounds cause youre not losing a look

18-20% bf, do I need to cut before going on a test cycle?

>>37100391
Yeah, maybe my question wasn't too clear.
I think jerry was able to properly sort through my vomit and find the bacon, so no worries.
>>37100495
>more ai
>dont worry about dry/wet compounds cause youre not losing a look
Seems pretty straightforward.
I wonder what kind of doses WSM competitors end up on... A lot of them are pretty damn fat.

>>37100219
I'm not familiar with carb cycling. My current macro split is as follows. (I'm 160lbs btw)
225 protien
175 carbs
40g fat

Would i drop the carbs and up the fat on low carb days? Or just drop the carbs and diet hard on those days?

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>>37100523
Why would you ask if you didn't already know the answer?

Trendick, which sst vendor gave you the abscess?

>>37100604
Why did tinder have to turn into a dating app?

>>37100633
Money

>>37100648
How does tinder make money?

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>>37100543
Cool. Who else but jerry could have done that

>>37100564
You have; 6 low carb and 1 high carb day(sun) each week. Add 1 more carb day on thursday, if you're at 10% bf.

On low carb you eat things like; eggs, cottage cheese, chicken, lean meat, fish/salmon
On high carb days its remains the same as low carb days, but you add some carbs like; oats, rice, pasta etc.
Good fats are also good, since they stimulate fat loss; almonds, nuts, natural peanut butter, other good nuts etc.

Example of a low carb day;

6 egg(whole + egg whites)
lean meat + broccoli + almonds
lean meat + broccoli + almonds
chicken + broccoli + almonds
chicken + broccoli + natural peanut butter
eggs(whole + egg whites)
cottage cheese.

On a high carb day it remains the same, but you add rice/oats to each meal.

I also recommend you drink 3/4L water each day and green thea

Really good and potent way to lose fat imo. I just moved the cottage cheese to pre-workout and goddamit it made me full as fuck.

>>37100543
>I wonder what kind of doses WSM competitors end up on
chris duffin posted his blast on a forum once, id imagine WSM competitors would be on similar stuff, maybe more insulin

>>37100543
I dunno how they don't stroke out
Their bps gotta be through the roof

>>37100706
I know, right? I bet the loads of cardio from the training helps, and then they're on enough BP meds to kill a small Irish village.

>>37100659
a dont fuckin know, ask it.

Everything makes money on the internet

>>37100633
Because girls

Girls are the driving force of tinder by default. Most girls don't want to look like sluts. They don't want it to be a hookup app

Most guys I talk to say it's a hookup app. Most girls say it's for dating. The girls win because pussy

>>37100659
premium accounts. The most value of it comes from just having a lot of users which makes the app very valuable and able to sell to another company/person for a lot of money

>>37100679
Thanks for the breakdown. I'm not used to eating fat so that would be a big change.

Would i still be targeting the tdee -500 on low carb days, which is what I'm doing now?

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>>37100604
Well it's like, I don't want to be fat. But if I cut I'll look small. I don't want to be small, so I want to ron up. And I've heard test isn't as effective at higher bf

So it sounds like I have to suck it up, cut and be small(er) for awhile, but I'm hoping someone tells me I'm wrong lol

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>>37100805
I never counted a single macro in my life, yet i made progress and achieved the goals that i desired.

Make sure you keep your proteine and good fats high. During weight loss, higher protein intake reduces loss of muscle mass and increases loss of body fat

Don't make it harder on yourself, it's not rocket science. Everyone can do it.

this was the first time i did that diet. no steroids only food and water. everyone can do it, just willpower like you already know, because of your previous accomplishment

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>>37100633
It never did, hoes just act like it is to hoe it up without seeming like hoes, and then dumb girls see that and actually think it's a dating site sometimes.
>>37100842
Nope, you're right, suck it up and cut. You'll be small but it'll be worth because you'll be bigger in no time, but due to muscle rather than fat like now. I'd say cut 10ish% at least

>>37100842
Just go by the mirror
But remember once you get things enough you look bigger

>>37100921
Yeah that looks like extremely good progress.

I'm not sure if i would be successful without counting macros, at least at first.

My fitness pal keeps me honest. The last time i tried a low carb sort of diet i got bad cravings. I almost blew a homeless guy for some little caesars crazy bread.

If i stall out or need a change I'll give that a shot. Thanks for the advice.

>>37100996
These tinder caps are some real inspo shit, but are you selling them on your gains alone or do you have a good face too?

Ok lads, i need your input

Im wanna get on gear because i think it will help me reach my goal of banging girls
Right now im sitting at 89kg/15%bf

What do i need to know?

>>37101316
that roids wont help you bang girls

>>37100495
Jesus how many cooking shows do you Yanks have
We have my kitchen rules, masterchef and Jamie Oliver

>>37100604
Oh shit that was you? I was in that thread m8

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>>37101316
give up and buy a daki

>>37101401
surely you can watch the queen's gift, the best show to ever be made by the brits, the great british bake off?

>>37101327
Why not?

>>37101465
because having big muscles doesnt actually help you get laid

>>37101438
That show is excellent

I havr one of the old bitches books somewhere

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>>37101008
I didn't state that not couting macro's would make it more effective. Of course would it be more efficient if you would count it, without a doubt.

My point was just that not counting would be a less pain in the ass imo, while still making good progress as you can see.

>The last time i tried a low carb sort of diet i got bad cravings
There a lot of options to suppress hunger. I always use a legal fat burner from muslectech. But if that isn't enough you can always upgrade your game and take an EC/ECA-stack

also a bonus; the carb days will be like heaven.

>>37101316
you're delusional

>>37101477
That seems counter-intuitive
getting more shredded and bigger seems like it would help
Im working on the other stuff i need too so i know its not the only piece of the puzzle i need

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>>37101519
Stop watching those zyzz motivation videos. It's fucking with your reality

The by-product from muscles is confidence, what will sort of help you if you're attractive already. You're really close minded, if you really think that only muscles will help you get laid.

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>>37099087
just got the results back, my total testosterone is at 286 ng/dl after recovering from testicular cancer. the normal ranges being 348-1197. Dr recommends starting TRT.

what should i be persuading my doc to hook me up with, and what can i expect moving forward? Oncologist wants me to find/refer me to a urologist/endo to give me the sript.

>>37101615
I was super confident way back but i lost my confidence during this dry spell that has lasted for almost two years
My thought was that getting on gear would give it a boost aswell

So I think it's time for me to get shredded. Going to replace rice, bread, etc with vegetables. What else could I invest in?

>>37101505
do you ever bake anything scrummy?
No wonder you need dnp lol

I think my other 2 favorites are beat bobby flay and I'll have what phils having

>>37101726
aim for injections, not a cream, and try toget it 2x a week if its test c, which I'm guessing it will be

100mg/week got me to 800ng/dl
I'm sure theyre give you plenty of tests, but see if you cant persuade them for 200mg/wk

>>37101737
Get your shit sorted before messing with your hormones. Confidence is something you build internally, not something you inject.
>>37101777
A good multi, probably. Maybe a fiber supplement, depending on which vegetables you'll be eating.
If I remember right, most people recommend not doing this (PSMF) for more than a couple of weeks. Can't remember why, though.

>>37099087
i've been blasting and cruising for just over a year now and i want to get off this crazy train. i tried last month. i bought clomid, which i was planning to use 2 weeks after my last injection, but i couldn't get passed a week due to the mental side effects. i didn't realize it would be so bad. i contemplated suicide on day 5 with all these negative thoughts that i'll never be the same again depressed all the time.

how do i fix

>>37101837
I already take a multi and done other vitamins here and there. I'll probably have something close to 1 cheat meal a week otherwise it'd be hard to socialize

>>37101883
Seems legit, man. Good luck.
Make sure that your cheat meal has a lot of carbs in it.

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>>37101737
It might boost it a bit at first, but when your body get used to it/tolerant that will disappear imo

Why do you think that zyzz runned tren year round? He could just maintain that physique with a trt dose of test. he tried to compensate his beta feelings with tren, which eventually killed him. I woudn't want to walk that path, would you?

Like this guy says >>37101837, it's something you build internally.

I was a very shy introvert kid, but i build my confidence up over the years. I would say that building muscle helped me a bit to get more confidence. But confidence is not enough on it's own.

If i was ugly, i would never have expiernced teenage love because i was shy and introvert af.

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>>37101883
On further reading (glad I checked my books), there might be some benefit for you in eating high carb on weekends (pic related, from "The Ketogenic Diet" by John Kiefer).

>>37101846
Maybe try hcg right when you're coming off

>>37102127
HCG is suppressive so make sure you do it at the right time.

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>>37102087
>because i was shy and introvert af
says the NEET

lmao

>>37102087
I dont want to walk that path no, youre right
I feel like i need something to break the downward cycle since its fucking me up and this was the one thing i thought id call upon when i was desperate enough and that time has finally come

I had my teenage love, it was nice but that was a long time ago and i want new experiences now

>>37101438
>British bake off
Never heard of it
Which is weird considering we're part of the Commonwealth

>>37100701
I remember this
It was like 7grams of test, mast, tren, npp and dbol with shittons of slin gh
Though he claimed he was "only" on 3 grams when he set squat WR

>>37102329
Odin's beard, that's a lot of gear.
How do people do that without their bodies just dissolving?

>>37102353
They don't.

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>>37102174
Since i discoverd dark souls 3, the neet-life is a bit more bearable. God, that game is addictive.

Had a couple of job interviews, but i get rejected everytime. I guess answering their questions and know stuff about their company isn't enough. What fucking use is a diploma, if i can't even get a job with it

g4p here i come

>>37102231
Have you ever tried dating sites or Tinder?. I dunno about it, but many people have succes with it. Maybe something you can try to break the ice.

Do you have nice colleagues or do you go to school? This are the places where you can meet new people. When you're fun to hang out with or just interesting in general, would be a good start. Having common interests with someone is also really important.

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>>37102329

>>37102389
a degree really is worthless
its loads of experience everyone wants

atleast yours was free

1 and 2 were better imo

>>37102406
time to up the dose

>>37100407
Lmao at you for taking roids when you're like 18% bf

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>>37102231
>>37102389
Different anon here.
>Have you ever tried dating sites or Tinder?
I'm really bad at talking over text (people say I seem cold and disinterested), but I somehow managed to meet a great girl on OKC. Sadly, she's moving back to Shanghai once the semester is over and she's finished her Masters.
Such is life. I'm hoping I'll get lucky again over the summer or during the next school year.

Give it a shot. Listen to Barry.

>>37102389
>Have you ever tried dating sites or Tinder?
Nope, gonna try to get to below 10% bf first and then see how it clicks
Im in college and its pretty lonely, its time to study right now actually
Thanks for the help, gonna try to hit my goals naturally first and see what happens

>>37102500
>>37102516
Also worth noting that I'm 20%ish BF, and she still wants to sex me. Don't wait, friend.

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>>37102406
>240mg dbol
fuck you liver

>>37102441
free? got a huge debt. They force you to get a fucking student-loan. I will be forever a fucking slave. Why even bother to live anymore. In the end we all die anyway

worth it to play those 2, after ds3?

>>37102500
You will get another shot anon. Not all hope is lost, as you can see.

>>37102516
Woudn't body pics make you look shallow?

I wound't depend too much on your physique. There a lot of skinny fat dad bods with cuties.

>>37102592
>Woudn't body pics make you look shallow?
only if they are taken by yourself

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>>37102592
>You will get another shot anon. Not all hope is lost, as you can see.
Thanks, homie. Just have to work on my written communication. Once I get to the point of a date, it's all gravy.

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>>37102592
really? I thought that was the whole point of living a europoor
where do your massive taxes go then, refugees?

yes, definitely

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Apparently you need low bf to get the most out of test, so I wanted to know if mine is low enough to start taking? I don't know what my bf is exactly.

>tfw really want to follow and ig account but don't want any of my followers to see it

>>37102592
>huge debt
But Europe is the land of socialism done right. There's supposed to be free college, blow jobs and ice creme everywhere.

I feel so lied too.

>>37102736
Looks low enough to me.

I'm about to order some gear for my summer blast, but I've figured i need to tranship it via sweden because I live in Denmark...
All the swedish services charge per like half a year and not one-time use...
Does anyone have experience with this? Would a german or UK shipping address be all right for shipping to Denmark?

>>37102736

Go for it senpai, just take more care with sides

>>37102736
I'd say cut a little more your abs are still invisible, which is really weird considering how vascular your arms are, you have a pump in that pic?

>>37102736
do 1 month of hard cutting then BLAST AND CRUISE BABY

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>>37102613
touché, let your mom make them

>>37102652
practice makes perfect. Remember; same interest.

>>37102701
>>37102777
he felt for the freedom meme. Typical muricans

taxes goes to people with welfare etc. and the rest will be used to suck american cock harder

that pic. lmao

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>>37102792
Probably. I've never worked my abs, which is probably why they're not visible. The first pic is 2 months old. I weigh 5kg less now.

>>37102814
I actually started cutting after that pic was taken, and went from 80.9kg to 73.9kg in ~40 days. I'm currently 75kg, but I guess I can stand to start cutting again. Pic related was from just before the end of my cut, at 74.2kg.

I'm probably gonna start my cruise on 125mg e3d. I haven't planned any blasts yet though, as I still haven't got my order. But I guess I could stand to keep cutting if I'm gonna start cruising.

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Doing psmf, stuck guarding a tent in the woods with only MRE long ranges to eat. Went ham on all the snacks. Prolly set me back 2 days. Fuck.

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just injected my glutes, but that spot got hard rock after i injected. build up scar tissues?


>>37102884
looks g2g, i would say around 12%bf based on your veins and shoulders

>>37102884
Also, I gotta ask, is 125mg e3d too much for cruising? On /r/steroids, I constantly get told it's way too much for cruising on, but on here, I usually get told it's a decent dosage. Should I halve the amount?

>>37103089
Probably subq oil

What's the powder weight of test e? I'm not sure what I should input into the calculator so I know how much of each ingredient to use, since it says that powder weights are usually .75 to .85, but Test e displaces .909ml per 1g.

So what number should I enter into the powder weight?

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>>37103107
how is that possible. i use 21g 1/2 and i'am putting the whole needle in

Am i fucked? was also much blood

>>37103092
half it for a real cruise but since you are just starting you can do 250mg/week since you probably have good health markers, if you do cardio you might not even get any negative health markers at all even if you run 250mg/week forever

>>37103261
Well 125mg e3d comes up to 291mg/week, so there's that. Pinning e3.5d would be the only way to rectify that, but I'm not sure if I'd be able to do it. In fact, pinning the same time on each day would probably be difficult anyway, due to shift work. How necessary is it always do it at very even intervals?

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check this out

>>37103161
pierced a vein

>metformin, nizoral and finasteride got here today
Hell yeah.

>>37102785
>>37102785
fucking bump pls friends

>>37103298
I like to do e3d because I'm autistic.

30 days in a month, that is 10 injections per month.
You want 250mg/week
250mgx4=1000mg
1000mg/10 injections=100mg/injection
so pin 100mg e3d.

>>37103337
Yeah, that could be it.

thanks

>>37103422
>All the swedish services charge per like half a year and not one-time use...
I don't understand? I have some swedish shops if you want sources, just mail them on countermail and ask if they ship to denmark

>>37103443
but 100mg e3d adds up to only 233mg/week, since there are 28 days in 4 weeks, not 30.

I could always pin .333ml of 250mg/ml test e3d, if I can get it that accurate lmao

>>37103501
wow you are even more autistic then I am

>>37103526
I just wanna do the right amount tho

errybody uses .5ml of (x)mg/ml e3d and (x)mg/week interchangeably and I don't know how much I should be taking.

>half sister adds me on FB
>no actual workplace listed, says "Gettin Money"
>all her photos are mirror selfies in hotel rooms wearing small, revealing dresses and heels
Not sure if hooker.

>>37103140
bump

>>37103563
Find out ;)

>>37103563
T E X A S
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>>37103092
People on r/steroids are pussies

>>37103554
there isn't anything magic about 250mg or 350mg or 500mg
>I don't know how much I should be taking.
well that depends on your goal.
do 100-150mg/week if you want high natty levels of test do 250-350 if you want something you can run for probably almost a year without negative health markers if you take care of your health, run 500mg/week like chem did for a year he didn't die but his health markers probably wasn't that good

>>37103583
It makes it more difficult that pretty much 90% of the info on there is for cycling, instead of blasting and cruising.

>>37103579
You're scaring me bro.

>>37103595
Well I mainly decided to start because I have low test levels (~300), and wanted to increase it, but then I figured, in for a penny, in for a pound.

I guess I'll just find out. I'll just get my full bloodwork done before I start, do 250mg e3d, and get another full set of bloods done 4 weeks after, and see if I haven't fucked my shit up.

I've got some Aromatose Exemestane too, so if I start turning into a woman, I'll drop a quarter pill eod until bitch tits go away.

>>37103627
>250mg e3d, and get another full set of bloods done 4 weeks after
no that would be a waste do it after 4 months instead
>I've got some Aromatose Exemestane too, so if I start turning into a woman, I'll drop a quarter pill eod until bitch tits go away.
take ai from start and have nolva on hand in case you fuck up and get high estro which will give you gnyo

>>37103491
email me
[email protected]

>>37103682
I guess it is a bit of a waste getting full bloods so soon. I'm still gonna get test tested tho, cause I want to see how well it's working, to make sure I'm not being shafted on my raws.

Also, isn't Nolva just for coming off a cycle, or cruising at all? Do you still take it alongside test?

>>37103690
www dot flashback.org/t2676740

>>37103721
>I guess it is a bit of a waste getting full bloods so soon. I'm still gonna get test tested tho, cause I want to see how well it's working, to make sure I'm not being shafted on my raws.
don't buy from a shit source

>Also, isn't Nolva just for coming off a cycle, or cruising at all? Do you still take it alongside test?
you take it to get rid of incoming gyno if your nipples feel weird or your are starting to noticing lumps

>>37103757
>www dot flashback.org/t2676740
I dont speak german senpai

>>37103776
I don't think it's a shit source, but I still wanna get my levels checked one it gets high anyway.

I thought that was what the Aromatose Ex was for desu. Is it just taken 20mg ed until the symptoms have disappeared?

how long can you store pee for a drug test? Can you even store pee in any way?

>>37103819
you are from denmark how fucking hard can swedish be? I watched En kongelig affære without subtitles for god sakes, just give it some effort

>>37103932
won't they watch you pee?

>>37103986
Could always do the ol Gattaca trick. Keep a bottle o piss with a tube up your sleeve.

>>37103986
no, they won't actually, but the test isn't planned.

it's random, so i was wondering if i could just walk around with a bottle of piss on me

>>37104104
okey but if they don't watch you just have some clean piss stored at your desk, take some tape around and if it start to look bad get some friends pee and repeat

>>37104104
You ever consider not doing drugs?

>>37104224
how else would i become big enough? retard

>>37104224
Poppycock

Is 500mg test e cycle took much for a first timer? I want to blow apart my plateus and feel good about myself again, and look good

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>>37104104
mfw

>>37104291
500-600mg test e a week is the recommended amount for a beginner cycle/blast

>>37104104
They check the temperature too idiot

>>37104532
no

>>37104576
Yes. First result on Google:
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=urine+test+temperature&oq=urine+test+temp&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.4464j0j4&client=ms-android-optus-au&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

>>37104614
You could always insert the bottle into your anus to keep it at body temperature.

>>37104614
it's not some standard test you retard

it's in the military, the guys taking my urine is literal mongoloids, they just give it to the lab, nothing else

>>37103092
Are you the same guy who's been asking this for the past three days?

>>37104695
No, but I have asked this question before. I ask it again because I keep getting told two different things on it. I think I'll just do 125mg e3d and see how it works out.

>>37104402
>>37104291
Start with low body fat if jumping to 500mg test. I'd use 350mg to be cautious for weeks 1-5, and up it to 500mg for the remainder of the cycle.

>>37103092
That's a good cruise. As long as you don't have to use any AI. If you want to be sure that 250mg/week is returning markers to normal, get blood work.

Any of you guys tried SARMs (eg ostarine/enobosarm, ligandrol)?

>>37103334
Yeah this guy is awesome. I got training from a fellow he works with - have them both on facebook now and he always posts great info.

>>37104923
Well it's my first time using, with the 125mg e3d cruise. I guess if it does prove to be too much, and I do need to start using AI, I could always pin half the amount eod.

I just pinned 200mg tren ace into my leg.

Wish me luck

>>37099533
>>37099544
hnnnnng

>>37099307
>>37101438
hnnnnng

To test the effectiveness of 19-nortestosterone (19NT) as an antifertility agent, 12 normal men (age, 24.0 +/- 2.2 years) received 19NT-hexoxyphenylpropionate (19NT-HPP), 200 mg/week intramuscularly for 7 weeks. After this initial phase, two groups were formed that received injections at different intervals. Except for the 19NT serum levels, there was no difference in treatment effects between both groups. 19NT-HPP administration in general suppressed gonadotropins below detection limits, accompanied by testosterone levels well in the castrate range. At the end of the treatment phase, azoospermia or severe oligozoospermia (total sperm count less than 5 X 10(6)) was present in ten volunteers. Administration of 19NT-HPP did not affect liver enzymes, creatinine, uric acid, serum electrolytes, or serum lipids.

http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/3935486/reload=0;jsessionid=h3YMs0cd4i4L4rzZjmVH.4

>>37104927
Ran LGD-4033 on a harsh cut, kept me looking full and feeling strong.
Really interested in obtaining some YK-11 and running a relatively high dose throughout my next blast.

How specific do I have to be with my pinning sites? I haven't started yet, but I wanted to know how much of a margin for error I have when pinning.

>>37105088
pls translate to english

>>37105148
also, I'm gonna start cutting again, just to get my bf% lower so the gear works better. Is it alright if my bf isn't as low as it could be when I start, if I keep cutting afterwards doing PSMF?

>>37105148
what do you mean? there's no margin of error

you pick a muscle and you inject it

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>>37103039

quit bitching you boot fuck, just pray to jesus that you don't get the shit beat out of you for ratfucking the box

>>37103140

what the fuck are you doing

(x) grams of raws / (y) concentration = (z) final volume in ml

measure (z) of oil into a graduated cylinder, pour into beaker and mark the bottom of the meniscus to reference for the actual accurate measurement (hint: beakers aren't fucking accurate for shit)

(z) * 0.009 = (ba) volume at 0.9% concentration

(z) * 0.15 = (bb) volume at 15% concentration

(ba) + (bb) + (x) + [ (z) * 0.5 ] volume of oil to add initially

very, very slowly introduce as little heat as possible and incrementally increase it while you stir and wait for the hormone to enter solution

while you're doing this gradually add more oil up to the (z) marker and stir, remove from heat source as soon as the raws are dissolved and final volume has been reached

>>37104654

either get a whizzinator or stop being a pussy and suck the medic's dick so he'll cath you, drain your dirty piss, and flush the clean piss into your bladder

start making friends with your orderly room, s1, medics, and a couple people you could snag clean piss from

also be an asshole and take a shit when they call your name, make them stare you in the eye as you drop the cosby kids off at the pool

>>37105173
It's fine to skip additional oil for eq that already come as liquid?

>>37105173
>quit bitching you boot
Eat a dick, brick, I'm no fucking boot. There were a ton of open first strikes, I was just cleaning them up cuz all the fuggin Lts and shitdick pogs just ate like 2 things out of 10ish of them.

>>37105205
aare you asking if you can pin straight eq

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>>37105205

motherfucker are you retarded

that uses the actual volumetric density and literally bypasses any kind of calculations

add all of the shit together, warm it a little bit, stir, slowly add oil until it hits the volume number you want

>>37105214

grats on trying to do psmf in a fucking field environment, being the toc bitch, and cheating on your diet too?

also you can step right the fuck off, I've literally got boots with more time in service, miles, and muj blood on them than you

>>37105285
eq + 5%ba

What could go wrong?

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i just got sick with influenza a week after increasing tren from 350 to 600 a week and it has been a week now and i think within few days ill be able to hit the gym, ive been able to eat at a great surplus and have actually gained 5lbs during the time ive been bedridden. also i had some joint ache from too much volume and strength increase and it has also eased off

what are the chances my strength has actually gone up? im only advanced on strength levels and im anxious thinking about muh strength hoping the tren and food helped even while i was sick

>>37105166
well what bf are you? if you are above like 15% you probably should cut first, otherwise it's fine if you keep up with your AI

>>37105339
Viscosity would still be too high to filter, even heated. 850, maybe 900 at the most, with heat. Highest concentration I've seen marketed was 800mg.

>>37105088
>Mossad 2.0

>>37105319
Nigger someone had to be there til the range could be closed.
>hur durr my deployed boots
Congrats? Sorry I got fucked on a jump and am a useless faggot for the rest of my army career.

What would make the best filler for orals? Was thinking TUDCA but was just reading that TUDCA shouldn't be taken a few hours before/after orals.

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>>37105417

dude if you're range detail you bring a fucking camping grill, a stocked icebox, and a toughbox of more bullshit

if the fucking range oic/ncoic cry about it, bribe the med coverage to shove it in the back of their fla

this is like art of shamming 101

ps fuck the 25th, 82nd, 101st, and 173rd for being universally the most bizarro world bullshit on planet earth and permanently crippling people for some useless esprit de corps rah-rah motarded faggotry

somebody needs to tell them that mass jumps are a fucking disaster when unopposed, much less the meatgrinder it turns into when opposed in any kind of conventional war

>>37105499

microcrystalline cellulose

How do I taper down asin into a cruise?

Run 12.5mg EoD on blast @ 600/wk Test-E for 5 months and blood e2 was good (~30)

Dropped to 180/wk starting last Monday

Have still been taking 12.5mg asin EoD

Steroidcalc says my test should already be like half of what it was on blast and then level all the way out in another couple weeks

I have 12.5mg caps not tabs so will probably have to space out the dose rather than lowering it

Suggestions? Thanks bros.

>>37105529
Yeah I got notified last minute, while I was on CQ recovery. Left behind my drinks/beer. It was just me out there for 48hrs.
>injuries
We're down like 50% or some shit from profiles right now. We just ran lanes to prep for training overseas and they were using plt and a half as a normal plt size. They're taking guys that are 3s physical scale and making them 2s for deployment numbers. We just had a joax recently where we had 45 tbi's. Our CSM's calf just got blown off by a star cluster (we think it was actually an nd) last week.

Had my first day at planet fitness frauds. Was pretty cash.

Checked some niggas in..

Pls no bully, we are judgement free here

>>37105529
>somebody needs to tell them that mass jumps are a fucking disaster when unopposed, much less the meatgrinder it turns into when opposed in any kind of conventional war
This is why Aus took the wings off of our only airborne battalion
Plus SF have had the number of jumps they're allowed to do cut

>>37106044
https://www.reddit.com/r/Steroidsourcetalk/comments/4i46ik/weekly_discussion_the_weekly_ta_thread/d2zccur
Found you. Told you that they would look after you.

>>37106196
Found me?
Yeah I'll try hitting them up
Got another source I'm going to hit up too

Looks like the Aus source named after an activity done on a bike has vanished

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>>37106044
>>37106196
>leddit

>>37106285
>tips fedora
Heh it's nothing personal

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>>37105700

oh don't tell me you're one of the p2 lepers that got shuffled into the orderly room or hhc

christ, I would've slapped together a shopping list and slipped somebody a benny or two to get it all and deliver it

>We're down like 50% or some shit from profiles right now.

this is the shit that happens when people don't have to worry about being fucking shot at and blown up, bunch of risk-averse fucking cowards in command positions just aching to tongue their rater's balls in order to make promotable and worrying more about little green boxes in their fucking powerpoint than their soldiers

jesus fuck I can feel my blood pressure spike 20 points just thinking about that shit, lil' shamshield has had more than a couple screaming matches with a first sausage or csm because they thought they could swing their dick around when it came to the immediate life/limb/eyesight of their soldiers

sorry bro, you're in my fucking world now and I am more than willing to cut you off at the fucking knees in the most public, shaming, yet professional manner possible

>Our CSM's calf just got blown off by a star cluster

yeah how much you want to bet it was his fucking dumb ass finger-fucking the m9 he takes two entire fucking days to qual with and blowing a hole in his calf

>>37106258

he was pretty out in the open about all of that shit, I'm surprised it took him this long to get spooked and ghost

so I just ended a short 7 week tren blast. All my muscles are locking up or cramping up randomly. idk if theyre getting too dry or hard or what.

going to cruise at 125 test e and 75 deca e3d for awhile

probably going to blast 250 test e, 300 deca, 300 eq next time around. probably be pretty long though since i gotta wait for those deca and eq levels to raise, which I'm not looking forward too.

I still feel like i had my best look on anavar but that shit is expensive

>>37106449
>All my muscles are locking up or cramping up randomly

Electrolytes m8

>>37106544
is there something in particular i can take? potassium?

>>37106591
Potassium, sodium, taurine

>>37106591
Gatorade or Powerade

>>37106373
Yeah but he vanished with $120 of my money

Is there any consensus on a proper post cycle for LGD? I can't find a solid answer anywhere.

>>37106972
lol

excuse me this is the steroid thread

i think you're looking for reddit

>>37106972
yes, it's literally nothing.

don't do PCT for an LGD-only cycle. PCT as normal if you're doing LGD+test

>>37106373
Are there any sources you'd trust on sst?

>>37106972
Too much differences between people to be sure. I'd see skip the DAA. Not much of a difference. The best thing to do is get bloodwork pre cycle and in the last week to see if you need it. Some guys run 10mgs of LGD for 8 weeks and they're only mildly supressed, some guys are half shutdown on 5mg after 6 weeks and need some pct. If you wanted to be safe, you could mini pct. Some guys are experimenting with running low dose sarms the entire cycle to prevent shutdown. It seems to work to some extent. Thats all the info I got.

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>>37107073

all the ones that I know personally are out of the game

I'm not going to vouch for somebody if I don't know them or at least have experience with them, and you'd have better odds investing in ice skate manufacturers in hell than betting on me ordering ugl

literally the only thing I'll ever pay more than at cost for is pharma shit, mainly gh once I make big boy shekels

>>37107152
How do you figure you'll make enough for a decent amount of gh?

>>37107164
hes a ugl, you didnt know?

>>37107177
No I didn't. Can you say that again, but this time very clearly into my lapel?

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>>37107164

starting gross of min $90k not accounting for hourly differentials or overtime

4iu serostim ed is ~$8.3k annually

>>37107177

christ if you had little helper monkeys running the front end, $500k-$1mil/yr is definitely on the table

>>37107191
>No I didn't. Can you say that again, but this time very clearly into my lapel?

>>37107152
I knew FL quit, are JJ and infinity gone too?

>>37107248
I'm looking at starting my first job in the Fall. 70kish starting depending on performance bonuses which vary a little yearly. Even living in a 1 bedroom with a paid off car I don't see myself reasonably affording gh. I mean if you can God bless though.

>>37107152
I got stuff from S L (He's from the verified list)
I also hear brickhouse labs is pretty good :^)
Just ask brick
So far so gud. I got dbol, test e, aromasin, hcg kit with no-bac water.

I'd wait for a good sale desu tho

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>>37107259

jj's had a bunch of rl shit thrown at him and I don't remember if he's back up and running yet

actually completely forgot about infinity, prices are decent and he's had good reviews

>>37107271

zero student loans, paid off car, and very favorable mortgage terms on 2k+ sqft $200k houses which I can use after a few years to begin building a real estate portfolio

if I really went down the rabbit hole like jerry >>37107177 suggested, even a very modest operation could net me 2+ houses a year to flip and launder the money with

>>37107304

what really makes it insulting is how horribly retarded that cuntbucket was, like jesus christ at least give me a little credit here

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>>37107327
>zero student loans, paid off car
mirin, jelly

>>37107391
Maybe you should have enlisted
You could have has a good life without debt
Free from the clutches of that cursed pillow and your crippling fear of human interaction

brick are u CU?

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>>37107327
I know I just like to razzle your dazzle my man, :^)

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>>37107443

not even remotely close

>>37107464
>I know I just like to razzle your dazzle my man, :^)

>>37107483
wouldn't be surprised if he lurked

he NW

>tfw poorfag and need to figure out a way to stop the wage slave lyfe

Pls help

>>37107327
>2+ houses a year to flip and launder the money with
how to into laundering money thru property? tell renters to claim they pay you more money than they are?

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>>37107555

buy shitty fixer-upper for cheap with legitimate money

pay for everything in dirty cash

sell house, pay taxes, voila clean money

alternatively hold onto them and rent the fuckers out for greater payoff over time

>>37107555
No, you charge the renters like 2x what you're renting for, have it on the lease agreement then LOWKEY let them know they lucked the fuck out.

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>>37107418
I think I'll go back to school
Looking at the career possibilities I have right now, Can't say I'm stoked

but for what

>implying I'll ever leave the dakis behind

>>37107593
I think most people who are just starting up can't afford a house kek

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>>37107618

that's what a legitimate job, a good credit score, and a mortgage are for

duh

>>37105529
>microcrystalline cellulose
Just curious, why? Never seen it used a filler for capsules before, only as a binder for pills.

>>37107638
Yeah I could actually pay off all my debt just selling street level for a few months
Could easily drop it straight in to my bank account too

>>37107646
Increases absorption of certain drugs apparently

>>37107483
U know u love me baby.

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>>37107646

works fine for either application, completely neutral filler/binder agent that's cheap as fuck and easy to work with

>>37107742

yeah but how much

fluid shift is going to be miniscule enough that its effects should fall within a 95% confidence interval

Does anybody else have insane appetite on test? Both prop and test-e made me crazy hungry all the time and I need to cut, maybe I'm better off cutting between cycles?

I was wondering how much the natural variation in testosterone levels between different people matter in terms of physical performance, so I was thinking I could get the answer by comparing it to the difference anabolic steriods make.

However, just from glancing at the numbers it looks like just 400mg/week of a testosterone ester would result in several hundred times higher testosterone levels than normal. It's 10 more test than what is normally produced by the body, and the half-life is 100 times longer. Is that really the case, people on roids have like 1000times more testosterone?

>>37105383
I don't know. I've got calipers, but they are telling me I'm at 9-10% lmao, but from eyeballing it I don't think I am.

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Still can't cope with her getting an online profile ree ree ree


Also how to reduce insomnia from roids?

Week 10 of
test e 600
deca 500
gh 2iu/d (on for life)
ghrp2 and mod grf 100/3 per day (probably useless, given by a friend)

My weight has been sitting at 175lb for about 2 weeks and will not move even when eating 3700 calories a day. (my bf has gone lower but has stalled now) Do i really need to eat more? It's becoming a chore at my weight...

>>37108686
Yes

Is bad side effects a meme? Are there any steroids with little to no side effects?

Clen to get leaner doesn't seem harmful in any way

>>37106258

you're such a scungy cunt

wah wah RIDICULOUS MIN ORDER OF $150, HOW THE FUCK DO PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH THIS I JUST WANT TO BUY ONE VIAL AT A TIME AND RISK BOTH THEM AND MYSELF FOR SUCH LITTLE GAIN BECAUSE IM A BROKE FAG

>>37108913
Of course it's a meme

Why would we risk our health to any extent for something so fleeting as appearances?

Stop your research right here. All warnings are fear mongering. You're home free, you have all the answers

I'm a fat fuck but I've been eating quite clean and doing cardio like mad(from 320 to 240 now) and had my thyroid and T levels checked. Thyroid was fine but T came out to 261. Doctor said it's low but "fine" and advised not to try TRT. Should I just snag some and try about 200mg per week? I feel like I'm stalling the fuck out and I'm only 26. Shit is driving me insane.

>>37108913
Acne, gyno, hair loss are not a meme. But they are often blown out of proportion. Abusing orals can damage your liver. Clen is a lot more harmful than most steroids. For the most part, a couple cycles of steroids when don't correctly won't shave any time off your life.

>>37110300
Fuck it sure
Ive been on gear 5ever and im doing swell

>on tren and dnp
>eating lunch with my mom on mothers day
>"son why are you out of breath?"

I didn't even notice until she said that but i am constantly fucking panting. Fuck, now that i realized i am too lazy to breathe

Btw you are now all breathing consciously

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>>37110950
>Btw you are now all breathing consciously
for fucks sake lol

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>>37110950
Cardio is super important breh, especially with tren. Gotta keep that blood pressure and lipid profile in check.

>>37110950
Iktf

Mite drop dnp though
This shit is notbsuitable for humans idgaf what anyone says

Oh well time for more fucking running

>>37108899
>gram of gear plus GH and he can't get over 175

m8

>>37108899
if you arent gaining weight you arent eating enough
thermodynamics etc. etc.
>>37108913
clen is one of the worst PEDs in terms of side effects

>>37111204
Prime example of someone that isn't ready to be a fraud.
top kek

>>37103161
i just use 27g slin pins for everything.
Why do people harpoon themselves??

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>tfw when you have the worst bicep insertsion on the planet.
6'0 210lbs im so fucking fat but im gonna bulk whole summer

I'm not fat, but my bf probably isn't less than 12%. Should I do PSMF until I get my delivery of test? It'll probably be less than a month.

I'm just worried about losing strength and muscle, even though I'll probably make it back, and then some once I start cruising.

I tried measuring my bf with calipers, but according to them, I'm at 5% bodyfat, and according to those online calculators that use measurements, I'm either 5% or 9.3%. Just from eyeballing it I'm more than that.

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been on 250 mg test e for 3 weeks now

feeling great so far and I think all of that is placebo

but if it's a placebo it's a damn good one

>anyone else cruising on 250 mg test e?

>>37111966
Yeah it's probably placebo.

>>37111966
I felt a new sense of calm and wellbeing within 24 hours of my first shot. Might have been placebo, but it was prop also which is faster acting.

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>>37111064

never gonna make it

>>37111445

>tfw 3-finger insertions

>>37111540

could try carb cycling, look in the archives for mast's posts about it or just wait til he pops up and ask him then

>>37111966
>>37112153

>placebo

>>37111064
DNP is highly desirable state
much mito uncoupling
pronounced oxidative creb cycle regenesis

Shoulders starting to hurt during standing tricep rope pulldowns. Only 40lbs good volume twice a week. Ideas?

>>37099087
Mates, I've made a huge transformation in my appearance in the past 6 months and my family says they don't see a difference other than I gained " a little muscle" despite going from 20% bf to 12%. Everyone else has been really enthusiastic at my progress. It's because I've always been the fat kid in an athletic successful family and now they don't even talk to me. Oh well.

>>37113052
Use a bar, fucking rope sucks m8

>>37113108
Fucked up the last sentence, but I went from 300lbs to 200 during my senior year of High School.

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>>37113052

stop fucking cheating with you delts and lats, keep your torso upright and elbows locked at midline

>>37105529
>field

>>37113220
Brick posts best bitches.

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>>37113108
Envyness is a common thing among family members.

Why do you need their validation? fuck em

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Anyone got experience with HGH Trenevar, or Epistane

>>37113445
my dicks hard and I gotta go jack off now.

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>>37113462
Sorry not sorry

>>37113587
I like this.

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>>37113587

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>>37113597
TRENEVAR, EPISTANE. Do you know it? ^w^

>>37113648
Trenavar*

>>37113648
Yes. Epistane was my first hormone. It's fantastic. 75mg+ is very tren like.

>>37113648
epistane is good
trenavar is probably shit
you probably cant afford hgh at an efficacious dose
youll need a test base and pct/more test to cruise on if you want to use epistane effectively tho

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>>37113684
Thank you ^~^

>>37113704
Stop this.

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>>37113689
How many mg a day for how long? Ive been doing a lot of reading on the subject. But multiple opinions confuse me. I wanna hear what someone with personal experience has to say.

>>37113725
Don't ever fucking reply to me again.

>>37100996
You sound like an idiot. Would reject instantly.

>>37113741
You first faggot.

>>37113769
Speaking of faggot, when are you pounding man ass? You saving all the money for something big?

>>37113740
of epi? 50-100 mg ED probably, gets p nasty on the liver at high dosages tho

>>37113410
When you were studying, weren't you talking about how your starting salary was 30k+

What happened to that breh

>>37113878
>30k+
Know how I know you're not american?

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>>37113856
I Don't plan on wrecking my liver. I have a pct ready and a "cycle shield" thingy. I was thinking more of a 40mg a day for a month?0w0

>>37113915
Probably me not talking about getting cucked by my gf or my government

>>37113936
lmfao

>>37113935
whats your pct?
>inb4 some random herbal supplement that does nothing
and whats the "cycle shield"? doubt it does fuck all

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>>37113935
>oral only
>epi as a woman

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>>37113985
Some Shit I got from a friend. Pro-hormone supplements uk Dot com or some shit. It was the HGH stack. He looks pretty good, claims they made him joocy :-3

>>37114057
Never gonna make it.

>>37114057
its shit
do real steroids or dont bother
the pct wont work and youll be left with shut down test

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First time faggot here (no homo), any tips you would have given your younger self before shoving needles in your ass?

Why are these threads always so slow?

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>>37114057

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>>37114112

figure out your goals
unfuck your mobility
get your form drilled down as much as possible
find a serious program to follow until you can learn to riff on it yourself
make a diet plan, give it as much variety as possible, stick to it, but realize that you're not going to be perfect 100% of the time

never, ever, EVER stop looking for ways to improve all of it

Would it be worth running 350mg/week of tren with 600mg deca and 600mg test? Or would it be better to just wait until my second blast to run purely tren/test?

>>37114112
I would have made myself cut hard prior to getting on. I think that having a higher bf% caused me to have worse sides than I would have had.

Outside of that there isn't really much. Not much I can do about my bacne besides accutane. Make sure that you get your AI dosing dialed in (preferably with bloodwork to confirm your estro is in range), it's actually hard at first because not everyone aromatizes the same way so the whole "0.5mg adex eod" doesn't work the same for everyone.

Don't try to go too heavy too fast in the gym, the strength gains can be incredible when you start upping the dose and it's a really easy way to seriously injure yourself.

That's really all I can think of m8

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>>37113878
You're just making up some numbers you thought would be interesting

I said that the start salary would be around 2500 gross a month, according to the statistics. Some recruiters and hr people confirmed to me that was normal.

Only nobody wants to hire me unfortunately, so that has to wait

life is hard, as you probably already knew

>>37114233
Depends, what are your goals?

>>37114112
get pharma ai

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>>37114284
>nobody wants to hire me unfortunately, so that has to wait

im probably going to have to move in with my parents
>tfw

>>37114112
dont blow up your joints

>>37114284
>tfw graduating university later this month
>tfw job markets are kill
>no

Fucking sucks man, all that hard work for nothing. I'm about to have a BSc. (Hons) in geology and I'm gonna end up working at a fucking grocery store or some bullshit. Grad school is still an option though, still depressing af.

I hope Trump can make oil prices great again.

Is the /fit/ trusted source list just a meme or is there an actual way to access it?

>>37114293
Size, hence the deca, but I do like to remain fairly lean throughout and think I'd be able to put on more size and still remain relatively lean with tren.

Problem is I'm up to about 12% current and want to come down but continue to bulk. Would tren grant me enough of a recomp effect at that level to make that possible?

>>37114192
busy injecting steroids

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>>37114112
Never start shoving needles in your ass in the first place. When it get a hold on you, it will never release you again.

>>37114318
forever a slave.

and when they will release you, you're old enough to die

>>37114335
Me too, i'am already applying for jobs below my level.

on paper i'am good, but when they meet me irl I probably don't qualify. I can answer all their questions etc, but that's probably not enough. You gotta be a special snowflake, someone that stands out. Otherwise you're just trash to them

all we can do is hope for the best. Maybe, maybe, it will be alright someday

or we can just kill ourselves, as last resort

>>37114396
>Would tren grant me enough of a recomp effect at that level to make that possible?
probably not
youll vastly increase the risk of having trouble with prolactin and cardiovascular issues as well
id save the tren for later

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>>37113264

>babysitter so range control doesn't get their fat, retired e8 gs panties in a twist

>>37114284
>>37114318
>>37114335
>>37114433

I still don't get how the fuck you people managed to go 4 years without even thinking that you might want to grab a couple internships to network with prospective employers and gain actual real-world experience with your chosen career field

>You gotta be a special snowflake, someone that stands out.

thank god for american jingoism and military hero-worship, even to a negligible degree it's still something that stands you way the fuck out from your erstwhile peers

I need some advice and feedback on this cutting cycle I'm starting soon:

Cycle length 10 weeks

Test enth @ 200mg every 3 days
Mast enth @ 200mg every 3 days
Tren enth @ 100mg every 3 days
Anavar @ 20mg everyday (10mg in morning and evening)

I'm not sure about the anavar though, I'm seeing threads all over the internet where guys are doing similar amounts in oil but doing 40-100mg of anavar a day.

Is my anavar dose too low? Should I consider tbol instead? Winny is too harsh on my joints, so I would prefer to avoid that unless I can get an effective dose without dry joints, I tried 40mg a day before and it put me off for life.

What about legal pro-hormones (ie not banned oral steroids)? Are they worth considering if I can already get gear? I mean just because it's legal doesn't necessarily mean it's shitter right?

>3rd cycle and still feeling bad ass when putting that sin pin in my booty