Do steroids really help strength?

>candito
>natty
lol

>>36843231
>Candito
>Natty

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>>36843231
>Candito
>natty

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>>36843231
>This is Candito Ling 650lbs, natty

>candito
>natty
choose a single one

>>36843231
>mixed grip with straps

steroids improve recovery and muscle growth but max strength is a neural feature, with steroids you can get very big with (relatively) little strength gain if you always work high reps

Yes they do.

In 2 weeks of dbol i went from benching 110 for 1 to 110 for 8.

I also went from a 200 kg max Dl to pulling 220 for 4

>>36843231
It's almost as if people can have different levels of strength and steroids despite having the ability to make you much stronger, don't make you automatically stronger than every natty on earth.

>>36843318
Damn.

>>36843278
>>36843255
>>36843251
>>36843246
I'm pretty sure the IPF is tested and Candito is genuine.

>>36843231
Candito isn't natty

>>36843318
Damn dog, you should have atleast worked out for more than a year before going on dbol.

>>36843365
IWF tests their athletes
NFL tests their athletes

Still, all of their elite athletes are juiced as fuck

>>36843231

Candito is one of the strongest lifters in the entire world. Elliot is a PT with a popular YouTube. Roids make you stronger but Candito was way ahead of Hulse to begin with. Shitty comparison

>>36843365
Uh no if he's strong than me then it's on steroids

>>36843429
Fuck off to the Kali Muscle comment section

>>36843231
>candito
>natty

i WANT it to be true but i don't believe it

>>36843231
Here's a better comparison:

Who do you think is stronger: natty Candito or Candito on roids?

>>36843377
It was longer than a year :'(

Candito is 1 ft taller than Elliot

>>36843516
I feel so bad for your decision to take steroids with such slow starting numbers i'm not even going to make fun of your working weights on steroids.

>>36843413

>Way ahead of elliot
>20years differnce in age over a decade less time spent lifting

>>36843566

He wrote those in Kg. He is way above average lifter.

>>36843516
Female? If so not bad

>>36843566
They aint that low come on now senpai :(

Plus i have not been on gear for over a year now, i used it for like 5 months loved it but stopped for personal reasons.

You pack on size and people treat you different everyone asks if your on gear because you just look big everywhere.

Its fun and you realize how good you can look, but the fact you have to inject and worry about sides was to much to bother with.

>>36843318
nice. did you experience any sides with the Dbol?

>>36843231

How has no one pointed out that Candito is doing sumo, and did 1, while Elliot is doing actual deadlifts, and did 2.

I had a buddy that deadlifted 4 plates raw regular way, and he spent a month learning how to do sumo and got 5 plates fucking easy. Sumo is just easier than regular deads. You can't compare the two.

Also, strength depends on the person. That deadlift for Elliot might be a lot better than he does off cycle. A deadlift for Candito on cycle might be way higher if he's not on sterons here, and that's a big fucking if.

>>36843603
I know they are in kg you fucking mong. Not everyone is an amerifat like you. I guess he's an above average lifter if you pick normies off the street and ask them to lift.

>>36843715
My main side was lethargy, and insane sex drive. The sex drive can be a pain as it leads to having sex with disgusting women.

You feel tired very tired, the only time you feel energetic is when you lift. And my god the workouts felt amazing.

You could just lift anything you tried, the size you put on is ridiculous. Friends and family were shocked by the gain.

45mcg a day and 600mg of test.

I tried winny too, shit made me disgustingly vascular. I could pick something up of the floor and my arms would explode with a pump.

>>36843663
Oh boi, drugs for vanity. Here we go... If you want other guys attention just go put on a dress and spread those cheeks.

>>36843770
fuck off, you clearly haven't touched a weight in your life. go back to /v/.

>>36843783
Lol, I probably ohp your bench, bench your squat, and squat your dead, probably double your dead

>>36843231
did he tear his pec muscle?

>>36843776
It was not for vanity, i mainly just wanted to know what it was like.

I was just explaining what it was like, as i dont take them anymore and have no desire to do so again.

>>36843783
ur fat we all know it
dont try and hide it
just show us your man boobs
so we can pinch and tickle you

>>36843773
i've been considering doing a similar cycle, but i've been cursed with really shitty skin-genetics, so i have tons of acne scars and blotchy skin. the only thing holding me back is the fear that i'll get even more acne and shit.

>>36843807
Woah dude you sound like a really strong guy :)

>>36843847
thanks man, i try.

>>36843822
I had bacne before i started and oddly enough it got clearer as i went into my cycle.

Its important for the timing of injection, and keeping the hormones at a consistent level in the body.

Firstly, there is no guarantee that Candito is natty. Feds being "tested" doesn't mean shit at all.
That said, he may well also be natty and a genetic outlier. Because he doesn't really have the typical "steroid look" to his body. But again, this doesn't prove anything, he may be on a very low dose of test and winstrol which would eliminate the risk of having an obvious roid-body while still allowing him to make pretty sick strength gains.

I don't know what the current situation with elliot is, as I haven't watched his shit in years, but I remember he claimed he had used roids in the past but is now natural again.
I always felt this was a bit of a bluff on his part, acting like admitting to roid use in the past somehow increased the credibility of his current natural status. A sneaky tactic that is used often by "natty" youtubers.


Anyway, steroids give a fucking amazing strength gain, there is no two ways about it. Even if you train like shit, you will make faster strength gains than a natural who controls every possible variable of his diet, lifestyle and training. People like to downplay the power of steroids, and for good reason, abuse of steroids is harmful physically and mentally. But the fact remains that steroids will make you strong as fuck compared to your natural self.

I went from 180kg 1x5 Deadlift to 180kg 3x10 in one test-e cycle, and my bench went from 100kg x5 to 120kgx10.

The problem is that people think they can do "just one cycle", but its a terrible idea and doesn't work long-term.

>>36843773

gtfo

>>36843899
why

>>36843809
Did you suffer badly once you stopped in terms of strength and size? Are you bigger/stronger than before your first cycle? How long's it been since you stopped?

Interesting to hear actual down-to-earth responses instead of the meme shit you get in /fraud/

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>>36843894
>The problem is that people think they can do "just one cycle", but its a terrible idea and doesn't work long-term.
Physiological or psychologically? I have heard this before but never got a convincing explanation

>>36843870
Do you also try to be a giant pretentious faggot?
Cause you sure are nailing it.

>>36843966

Psychologically.

It is easy to say "It won't happen to me", and there are countless examples on forums and such of people who thought the same.

But the fact is, you will forever remember how good it felt being on, how good the training was, how confident you were dominating interaction with females, how much more dominant you are during sex, and how life in general just felt better. You will inevitably lose some of the muscle you gain, along with the definition, pumps, and shape of certain muscles (delts for example).

This will all affect your motivation for training, you will feel like you are putting in so much effort for such little reward.

Physiologically it isn't an issue provided you use good PCT protocol and a decent AI during cycle to prevent estro sides.

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>>36844016
Still not buying it. I'm not a 20yo raver like Zyzz (not that there's anything wrong with that), if I got massive traps and became a supermacho douchebag people around me would probably respect me a lot less. The frustration from not making new gains I can understand, but it is also perfectly logic and predictable. All I want are some pl medals to put on my wall man.

>>36843770
It sure sounds like you misread kg as lbs lmao

The average normie in the street would be unlikely to get a rep of 60kg out.

>>36843958
I had no sides really coming of really. Just some depression for 4th week then it went.

My strength and size are better than when i started but lower than peak of cycle.

Its been a year since i stopped. the main thing i notice in difference is my traps are smaller im less vascular and not as thick but my weight is round about the same.

>>36843894

I think a lot of people don't end up doing the proper research, and will end up harming themselves.

For example, I have this step-brother, and I heard that he did a couple cycles a couple years ago, and in the same conversation heard that he takes pills for erectile dysfunction now. He's 23. It COULD be unrelated, but honestly I think it's more likely that he fucked his hormones coming off the steroids. He's not the smartest.

>>36843365
>falling for the "he's tested so he's not a fraud meme"

>Because they don't have a book of Olympic athletes that failed drug tests but weren't punished.

Wew Lad.

>>36844416
The fact that he takes viagra/cialis is probably more due to the mindset of someone who takes performance enhancing drugs...

The same type of person to take drugs to make themselves perform better in the gym are the same type of people to take drugs to make themselves perform better in the bedroom.

Speaking as someone who used to take viagra regularly (before any steroid use) and is currently dripping sweat onto my keyboard typing this on tren.

>>36844005
>stay mad

>>36843773

I have a friend that said similar things about Dbol. He was a skinny 70kg guy who suddenly blow up over 90kg...
He tried Winstrol three times,oral and injectable and he felt sick in stomach. Funny thing was his dad was a veterinarian and he could get tonnes of winny...:

>>36843231
>Elliot Hulse on test cypionate and trenbolone

Proofs?
Looks natural to me.

>>36843489

Right, it's pretty obvious.

Some people are genetically stronger than others.

It doesn't mean one guy's training method is better, or his work ethic, or weather roids work or not (which is being silly).

Some guys are geneticly stronger than others.

Bone strength, tendon thickness, limb ratios and leverage, CNS recruitment etc... all genetic.

If a guy is pulling 650 at a light weight naturally it does NOT mean just anyone can.

Also, what evidence is there that Elliot was on both Test and Tren there? Has he ever been open on his hormone use?

Otherwise he might have been on test & dbol for all we know.

>>36845069
I think with Dbol the gains are not really muscle, and it goes away once you stop taking. the water weight will come of very quick.

Sure you will keep some strength and size but you will never ever be the same person you were on Dbol.

You can take the stuff not lift and be 10kg heavier when you wake up.

>>36845485
So basically just take creatine?

>>36845485

Mostly water, but a good 30-40% can be very solid.

The issue is that the vast majority of guys who run dbol do the old "8 weeks then off". Well no shit they lose all of it.

The guys who run dbol in addition to a blast, in a cruise and blast protocol, of say 200mg of test year round when cruising ussually keep that at least 25% of their blast, which clearly means it isn't all water. - its just a higher% of water as compared to Mast or Tren or EQ etc...

In fact ultra high trst doses, 1gram + weekly can make you hold almost as much fluid as dbol, especially if you are slacking on Estradiol control.

BTW, if you're lean enough the extra water doesn't make you look fat, just slighlty less lean - in exchange for the muscles looking a lot bigger.

That extra cell volume does add a lot to strength, and lifting heavier weights for more reps certainly also would help add even more real growth on a blast.

Like I said, if you go OFF altogether, obviously you will lose whatever you gained on it, including whatever amount was solid gains.

>>36845154
Elliott career natty top kek. He even discussed he was using when he was trying some strong man shit .

>>36845154

He admitted to using roids "in the past" in one of his videos. I think the video's topic was steroid use anyway.