Mental Health Fitness I saw you people say being fit, reading

>fucking sluts improves your mind
lol

you sound inexperienced in life

go out there and make your own fortune/mistakes.

>>36681573
I have been trying to better my life and have been in and out of COCCOON mode and college for the last 4 years and my advice to you is as follows:

1. Lift
2. Sleep on a proper sleeping schedule
3. Get rid of your fucking laptop/computer. It is a catastrophic waste of time and very little use. The two week period where my laptop was broke I finally started doing so much shit I had been trying to do for years: meditating, reading, cooking healthier meals, writing. By the end of that 2 weeks I honestly felt a difference in my sense of being and mind - I felt calmer, less irritable, and more passionate about my hobbies.

The best way to get yourself to do things which are difficult (which all these things are) is not to inspire yourself with meme pictures, but to remove the distractions which are more comfortable, and you choose to do instead.

The problem is no one wants to fucking get rid of their laptop/smartphones, they are addicted to this shit like heroin.

But I cannot emphasize to you enough how much it will change your life

>>36681595
People on /fit/ said fucking sluts is the way to go in life.

I don't know how you define experience.

No fortune is your own, it's simply a product of luck and genetics.

Still haven't answered my question, but ok.

>>36681611
in and out of COCOON and college for 6*** years

trust me anon ive been going 2 steps forward 1 step back for ages

>>36681613
no fortune is you own. maybe.
but the opportunity to make your own mistake/fortune is your own choice.

>>36681635
Which is a product of luck and genetics. You wouldn't be the way you are if you weren't born by your parents.

>>36681648
so you blame the god know as RNG and out with a bang you go at his whim.

open and closed is your fate, you powerless being. Lifting iron should of taught you the lessons of unlocking your full potential and not luck and genetics.

you can only unlock your full genetic potential FROM LIFTING and blaming the RNG god.

>>36681662
*not blaming the RNG god you call luck and genetics

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>>36681573
Ima hook u up opee

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>>36681648
I am the master of my fate OP, I'm the captain of my motherfucking soul.

Blaming genetics for how your life is turning out won't get you anywhere. I push myself everyday to improve myself and push past the "limitations" of my genetics. With enough dedication and hard work, you can go anywhere in life, fulfill the goal your striving for, and make fortune your bitch.

>>36681708
The Republic is probably the greatest work of literature ever.

>>36681708
CRINGE.

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>>36681815
> never gonna make it

>>36681843
You're the one who's never going to make it.

That's because you read fucking self-help books and treat art as a tool for "mental gains".

You're both a plebeian and a beta.

>>36681862
> literature is for plebs and betas
okay buddy

>>36681573
>stoics
Why do so many people fall for this meme?

>>36681899
What do you suggest?

>>36681908
Well, it depends on what you want.

My mental health fitness ain't good brahs.

It has gotten to the point where I finally visited a psychologist after putting it off for years and having a bit of a breakdown. They want me to talk about meds with a psychiatrist next week. Still lifting though. It's all I've got.

>>36681933
I want to stop feeling guilty about being born, ruining my mother's life by existing and causing her pain as a child.

>>36681879
Get some reading comprehension you dolt.

I was calling you a pleb for treating literature as a means towards "mental gains" and a beta for reading self help books.

>>36681573
>How do I repay the price of birth?

Be a good son ya dipshit.

>>36681573
>idealism
dude just read hegel

>>36681947
Read some Camus.

Get over yourself.

>>36681953
>Be a good son ya dipshit.

I tried my best, I even told her to do it if she was in so much pain when she said she only wants to die and end it all and that I would respect her decision when I was like 12.

>>36681961
Do you think I have too high of an opinion of myself?

>>36681947
Schopenhauer

>>36681573

Escaped out of depression/nihilism twice so far. It doesn't run in my family, so I think mine was not genetics related. This is what helped me:

- Going out there and doing new stuff (even if its on your own)
- Talk about it with friends, at first I thought it was something to be ashamed of to reveal your emotions, but it has made me into a better person.
- Make a list of stuff you want to do, and what you want to achieve. Try working on that instead of shitposting here.
- A solid sleep-waking cycle. This means you have to give up alcohol, becaue alcohol fucks everything over everytime (at leas for me). And sets me back in my old rythm.

~ Have a near death experience (not recommended). It truly opened my eyes. I've been thankful to be alive and healthy every day since I had that. Also a good motion to change things around in your life.

>>36681862
what's so bad about self help books?

>>36682024
The majority are shit

>>36682039
how do i know what is shit and what not before starting reading it? post some examples of non shit books that might be worth reading pls.

>>36681573

>How do I repay the price of birth
I don't get this. Both your parents and the world put you here because they wanted to for their own reasons, what is there to repay?

>>36682063
What you looking for lad

>>36682020
>Have a near death experience (not recommended)
good kek

Seriously though, don't call shit like this nihilism. Nihilism is a philosophical concern, and is not fixed by having a healthy lifestyle.

So many plebs on /fit/

>>36682088
beeing a better person. things they didnt teach you in school be it relationships, conversation skills outlook on life. dont need guide just some tips.

>>36682178
Just read good literature then lad.

Here's a cheeky few:

The Cossacks - Leo Tolstoy (Maude Translations)

The Dhammapada (Glenn Wallis Translation)

On Thinking for Oneself - Arthur Schopenhauer (https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/schopenhauer/arthur/lit/chapter5.html)

>>36682214
thanks man appreciate it

>>36682084
If I didn't exist their life might have been better, wouldn't you agree?

I changed the path they took for selfish reasons, such as birth.

>>36682307
You don't choose to be born. You don't choose to have the egg that is you, fertilized by a sperm. You don't choose to stay on your mother for 9 months. These are all choices they made. They brought you into the world and have you the tools you have now to survive on your own. If you feel they did a good job, then thank them. If not, don't.

Birth isn't a gift, it's a moment. Your life is a gift to others, not to yourself. Do what you want with it, but I don't believe the way you see things has a reason behind it

>>36682307
who cares about "better" or "worse" life. There is only one life for you, the one that you are living, your unique story that you and your parents may as well have chosen before being born.

Their life would have been different, yes, but that is about it. If you want to view this issue from a different perspective, look into the "we are all part of one" views, which basically states that "better" and "worse" life exist in order for one great being that divided himself into us humies to experience himself fully, so there is an equal value in every life.

>>36682307
You did not choose to be born.

One could argue that they were selfish to give birth to you, as they knew that being alive can bring pain.

Either way it does not matter, you can either make peace with what is, and repay them by simple kindness, or carry on worrying over it, and potentially make matters worse.

I recommend the short work "Rothchild's Fiddle" by Anton Chekhov: http://www.eldritchpress.org/ac/roth.html

Nothing you do in hopes of changing your mind will change your mind

You'll likely always be the same person, with only major life changes (death, traumatic stress) changing you for better or worse.

>How do I repay the price of birth?

Im on the other side of the situation here. My question is

>How do I make my mother pay for giving me birth

>shit life
>shit genetics
>no father
>is bitchy, whorish, doesnt give me what i should be entitled to

At least there is no one I need to care about but myself

>>36681975
your mother sounds like a cunt
telling that to a 12 yo wtf is wrong with her
leave her and move on

>>36682387
Become a serial killer

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>>36682536
I dont want to hurt people who have nothing to do with my misery. I'd only kill criminals if I could.

>>36682387
are you stewie

>>36681947
>I want to stop feeling guilty
Nietzsche

>>36681934
I don't recommend medication, it made me worse if anything. It's an aggressive way to sort out what in many cases is not a "neurochemical imbalance" but an underlying emotional problem, so there's nothing "ill" about you - you just are having trouble getting through some emotional state. Lifting, eating well, sleeping well, being active (bear in mind most hunter-gatherers walk 10 miles a day, and most modern humans don't) having a social life and being creative/expressive in some way are all things you should be trying before you start mechanically manipulating your brain into being quiet. Spend time in nature as well.

>>36682063
>how do i know what is shit and what not before starting reading it?
unless you're an expert in the field you won't know what is shit and what not even when you are reading it.

>>36682178
>beeing a better person.
Too vague, you have to specify what exactly you want to be better at and what "better" means.

>>36681573
>how do I repay the price of birth
Kill yourself

>>36681754
>With enough dedication and hard work, you can go anywhere in life, fulfill the goal your striving for, and make fortune your bitch.

Biggest lie in America .

>>36681573
There's no price of birth. Read more philosophy.

>>36682638
Bollocks lad.

Here's how to tell if a work of fiction is "good":

1) Am I receiving aesthetic pleasure, or experience from this work?

If yes, then the work is good. If no, the work is not good.

>>36681754
There's no free will. Everything is causally determined.

>>36682714
Prove causation without induction.

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>>36681708
>the communist manifesto
Why would you do this.

>>36682703
That isn't quite true, though - you would receive more aesthetic pleasure and experience as you understood the field and moved up from Stephen King to Tolstoy. And anyway aesthetics and ideas work differently I'd say.

>>36682732
I think you misunderstood, I speak of the relation between the reader and the work; I do not believe one's personal pleasure to be a universal measure.

>>36682744
He isn't reading for pleasure, he's reading to learn - as I said ideas and aesthetics work differently.

>>36682766
I think they may be closer than you think ;)

>>36681708
>The Prince in there
>As if the Prince isn't wacky 16th century satire and is worth taking seriously

>>36682787
>The Prince is satire

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>>36682731
It's an excellent critique of capitalism
>muh gomu gomunism

>>36682364
>>36682373
>>36682376

I don't think like that. I think it's my fault I was born and it's my fault for causing pain to my parents.

I have been taught this way. How do I stop seeing it like this?

>>36681662
Genetics decides 80% though, so its yep its weighted rng

>>36681947
Kill yourself
But rly its your parents fault tou were born

>>36681754
The bitch hit him pretty hard, he's all smashed up and on the floor with a fucked up nose

>>36683082
Try facing this issue head on, ask questions to it and listen to your body's feedback. Try to get as deep as possible with your questions.

For example:
>how do i pay for being born?
>does it mean that i think that i owe someone for being born?
>why do i think like that?
>because my parents would have had better lives
>it makes me sad when i think that they would have had better lives if i wasn't around
>what do i mean by better lives?
>they would have been happier
>yeah but happier how? for most people happyness includes children so they would have wanted to have children anyway, and if they didn't they would have suffered
>they would have had a better child
>so it's about me thinking that i'm bad
>bad how?
>like i'm not enough for them, like i want to bring them more happiness
>am i sure i'm not enough for them? or am i not enough for me?
>what if in order to be enough for them i have to first and foremost be enough for me, which means learning to accept myself the way i am and growing in the process.

stuff like that.

>>36681573
Your parents pay the price of your birth.
You pay the price of your life.

>>36683305
Nice response anon

>>36681611
So true. These fucking devices will be the end of humanity. Myself included if I don't stop. Have any plans in how you did it? I can't just stop cold turkey bc despite having a lot of will power I know I will just binge once I stop

>>36683629
You can't binge if you get rid of the computer/smartphone.

>>36683659
I know. I've conteplated going that route but I also keep a lot of audiobooks and books in general on my smart phone. I like reading while taking a shit. A laptop imo is a must to do anything in this world so I don't think I can give that up. I may just get a text phone and buy a amazon kindle lmao

Hey OP, I kind of went through an existential phase like you a while back, constantly unhappy with where I was, who I was, always trying to perfect myself, etc, etc

I don't claim to be a master of self help, nor do I subscribe to the views of literally any self help book because I consider them all to be psuedo intellectual bullshit but here's what helped me in no particular order

- Turn off your fucking phone and delete facebook
Seriously, FUCK technology, that shit is so fucking unnatural, I get on here at night but at the end of the day I fucking hate the internet and everything on here, it ruins your fucking sleep, it ruins your fucking attention span, it makes you spend hours every night looking at mundane shit and masturbating to horrible fucking women when you could be improving yourself or fucking sleeping

- Write
Just anything, like literally anything, get a notepad and just write stories or something, day dream and write passages, write poetry, whatever it is. It's so much more cathartic than hopping on your phone and arguing with people on 4chan.

- Focus on improving your attention span
It's so easy to develop a poor attention span in this day and age, focus on doing something, whatever it may be, and try to do it, efficiently and focused for 5 minutes more every day. Be it meditation, writing or reading. I used to not even be able to get a page into a book, now I can smash entire books, usually non-fiction in under three days

- If you play video games, use them as a reward system
I love video games, I play league at a nationally competitive level, but I dont let it control me, I go to gym, read, walk my dog, eat and THEN I get on. If you are going to play one at least play a competitive one with a skill curve like League or DOTA or something needlessly complex like Dwarf Fortress or a Grand Strategy game, that way your mental draw is constant and you're never just out of focus moseying along

will continue

>>36684323

- STOP FAPPING TO PORN
Just fucking stop, you can still fap when you REALLY need to but jesus christ porn is terrible, my confidence, sex life and mental sustain grew by like 80% when I dropped porn entirely. There's studies behind it, read em if you want there's heaps of research on it. But the blunt answer is PORN. IS. FUCKING. HORRIBLE. FOR. YOU.

Sex is meant to be like a semi-rare thing, when you turn it into a task your body responds so fucking badly, I honestly feel like my test levels are diminished after watching porn. Drop that shit please god.

- Eat healthy
I know this is a fitness board but when was the last time you actually ate salad and vegetables in a large quantity? I used to just eat a whole chicken everyday and get the rest of my carbs from yoghurt and bread. Fuck that, eat salad and vegetables they're so dense and great and once you cut out fried shit and bread you begin to appreciate the flavor, it takes a few weeks but I can confidently chow down on a bowl of broccoli without really being phased by the flavor. I dont know many people who can confidently say that. You feel much fuller and much healthier from it

- Drink heaps of water, drop all sugary drinks
Man just drop all sugar full stop honestly that shits fucking disgusting for you. You'll feel clean and light.

- Be yourself
This one is kind of hard. Whenever we interact with other humans it's usually through a filter, due to societal expectations or the way we think people perceive us we wind up acting differently around different people, which fucking sucks. I hated being midway through a conversation with someone and realizing I'm virtually acting like a different person. So, don't try to be cool or impressive or unique. Just be YOU, it's so fucking hard but if you focus on doing it you can.

If you want to know how to repay the price of your birth, it's simple. Be you. Kindness comes naturally, society has just obscured it. You CAN give back.

>>36682698
You meant "Oldest lie in America".
Also it's true that if you want something bad enough you will get it one way or another

>>36681611
>got rid of computer/smartphone
>posting on 4chan

>>36684602
USA is the place where it's the most true, tho. You probably never lived in a significantly worse place, so you have no reference point as to how hard it is to achieve success in other places in the world.

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>>36681708
Does anyone have a drive or something with these books in it? Some I can't find, or can't find free. School leaves me broke so can't be dropping money on too much stuff on my budget.

>>36684414
>Kindness comes naturally, society has just obscured it.

Bullshit, we are born ruthless. Traditions and education made us kind.

>>36681573
>>How do I repay the price of birth?
By being the best human you can be?

taught this would be the best place to ask
So my best friend for 8+ years was diagnosed with depersonalizeation disorder,
hes basically becoming numb to emotions and has no drive. he told me a couple of days ago that he seriously thought about ending himself, this came as a major shock because hes literally one of the strongest people i know.
has anyone experienced this/know how to help my friend/know how to support a friend with mental problems.

>>36686555
No sorry I have no experience with stuff like this, but does your friend lift? If not try to get him lifting and get on a better diet, make him take fish oil and good multivitamin(orange triad and life force are good) as well as good probiotic. I understand this may sound retarded, but it's brain chemistry we are talking about, the stuff that pretty muvh noone understands, so just to be sure make him cover basics maybe something will click with him.

>>36686976
yeah like hes definitely trying that shit,
whenever i lift, we lift
and dont worry about sounding retarded man, we heard all that stuff, hes trying

>>36686555
I do. I don't mean to sound arrogant but I considered myself to be a pretty strong person mentally and physically as well before depersonalization. Tell your friend to stop using ANY drugs or alcohol. None. Tell him to eat only purely clean foods. It will be hard for him because the only way he can experience any sort of "happiness" is through stimulation such as food, jerking off, sex, and drugs. In all honesty, your friend has depersonalization due to a lack of confidence.
It is our minds way of escaping reality. Just remind him that he is one of the strongest people you know and help him out by setting small goals together and accomplishing them. Go to the gym with him and push him to hit a new pr. Hang out with him and push him to talk with some cute girls. Take him to a comedy club and make him feel like a human.

If you feel yourself getting drained, let him be. It is only when you lose everything that your free to do anything. He willl have to learn that lesson himself. I know I did. Writing this is hard and is making me feel emotional because I know what he is going through. As cliche as it sounds, tell him to never ever give up and that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.