Going to North Korea for the gainz

Get shredded, seriously bolster your fluency in a second language, what's not to like?

good luck getting shredded on 800 calories of rice every day

>steal a poster
>get 15 years of slavery
Third world or not, that's pretty bad
What happens if you shoot an officer?

>>36408269
You get fed to starving dogs after being tortured. And I think this guy deserved it for wandering into one of the most dangerous countries on earth.

>>36408311
tourism to north korea is a very real thing. many people go and as long as you behave yourself and act in a sensible way relative to where you're at, you won't have any problems.

>>36408263
Just do GOMAD before you go to the labour camp, then you can be a shredded fucking cunt when you go on a cut there.

>>36408149
I thought americans would start a war in defense of their citizens? You were so trigger happy in the past.

>>36408325
honestly it'd be hard going there knowing that any moment they could take anything you did as disrespect whether you meant to or not, and decide to hold you. only idiots would go on vacation there.

>>36408378
Well just dont steal anything derp.
He was dumb for committing a crime in a totalitarian country

>>36408378
Only if you're from a country they're butthurt at, like South Korea, Japan, and America.

If you're from China or some non-NATO yuro backwater they won't give a shit.

>>36408325
But when you do have problems you're fucked
In other words, you're a fucking idiot if you visit

>>36408355
Not with Best Korea over some useless nu-male lib cuck

>>36408378

Agreed. An American going to N Korea is just crazy. He deserves to be locked up for his own stupidity.

>>36408149
Why doesn't the rest of the world just decide to have a join operation to absolutely annihilate North Korea and skin its leader alive?

>>36408516
What allows you to invade a country for no valid reasons?
>we don't like their leader, he's kinda weird. Let's kill him

>>36408516

If N Korea develops nuclear weapons, China can sort it out.

>>36408571

democracy lol

also oil.

>>36408571
The entire Kim Jong brood are like a bunch of bond villains. People want to intervene because every bond villain ever demonstrates just how evil they are, then ultimately gets their head exploded

People have been waiting for like 50 years for one of the Kim Jongs to have a head-plosion.

>>36408571
Well, they didn't have problems doing that with Iraq. And Syria. And Libia.
But no, no when there's true dictatorship and suffering - this should be left alone.

>>36408604
do you read the news?

They already have Nukes and have had them for almost a decade

>>36408863
That's what the news wants us to think so people remain scared of them.

>>36408516
Because Seoul is within artillery range of the border.

>>36408516
>Why doesn't the rest of the world just decide to have a join operation to absolutely annihilate North Korea and skin its leader alive?
The US and friends needs NK alive to have an excuse to have a strong presence in the Korean Peninsula.

Why so scared of a country full of beta Asian men. Send a few US Marines in to clean up the place.

>>36408863

No they dont.

Pay attention to the news you read faggot

>>36408516

It would be like Vietnam but worse. A population that desperately wants to fight for their country, mountainous terrain thats hard to cross, and miles upon miles upon miles of tunnels that the north koreans have dug over the years.

>>36409163
>fearing low test gooks

You must be from Europe.

>>36408516
N. Korea is not a threat and nobody cares about it.

>>36409163
>implying you can't just carpet bomb them to oblivion

>>36409186

>Losing a war against low test gooks once and then wanting to do it again

You must be American

>>36409225

>carpet bomb
>tunnels

Are you illiterate? Why do you think they build all those tunnels in the first place

>>36409186
tell me about Vietnam

>>36409163
>It would be like Vietnam but worse. A population that desperately wants to fight for their country
Nope.
Vietnam was hard because of the jungle. Double nope for "population that desperately wants to fight for their country"
Top kek nigger those crying niggas you see on documentaries would shit on dear leader's face if it meant getting across the 38th

>>36408397
He is being used as leverage by DPRK due to the current standoff with the US over their nuke program. It's entirely possible that he didn't even take a poster and they just made it up. They get s free pawn for getting out of sanctions and no on can ever disprove it.

>>36408516
Nobody cares about North Korea. Especially South Korea. Merging both countries would be an ass-rape for the economy of the south.

Besides - china wants to "keep resolving" the issue.

Keeping the spectacle going is in everyone's intrest. Unless korea does something really dumb, then the problem will fester.

>>36409163
it would be like Vietnam in that there would be massive collateral damage and probably some scorched earth tactics by the NK, but it wouldn't be as much of a clusterfuck in terms of actual combat

>>36409297
>Nobody cares about North Korea
>Especially South Korea.
If anything, it's only South Korea which cares for North Korea. They still have families up north and would like to be reunited with them. Also >>36409123 to keep China in check.

People would be fine with fucking up North Korea, it's just that no one wants to deal with the aftermath. China and South Korea don't want to deal with all those poor, weak refugees with no skills. Plus China likes having a buffer between them and what is militarily basically a US satellite (south korea).

Also North Korea could probably fuck up Seoul pretty good before they are completely taken out.

>>36408571
>Valid reason
>War and invasion

Do you even into history? War is horrible and there is no good reason for it. It is, however, hardwired in our DNA and fun as hell.

>>36409279

That kid went with a tourist group. If they want leverage, why take only one person, and not all of them?

>>36409163

Vietnam was hard because the politicians wanted to wage it instead of the generals. It is impossible to fight a war when YOU have to obey rules but THEM don't.

>>36409271

>North Koreans shown in western documentaries
>accurate representation of what an average North Korean would do when their homeland is invaded.

If it was as easy as showing up and everybody defects, NK wouldn't exist anymore.

>>36409361

What makes you think the US would be allowed to ignore the rules this time around?

If anything public scrutiny would be much worse because better journalism is possible, and the standards for what's "right" have gone up a lot in the last 40 years.

>>36409362
>If it was as easy as showing up and everybody defects, NK wouldn't exist anymore.
You see that's the thing, defecting is hard as fuck. Even if you get out your entire family that is left behind is kill. Every single one. That's why most do not defect. I guarantee you if SK decides to retake that shit the entire population (except those in positions of power) will welcome them with open arms.

>>36409338
A few people missing their families they have last seen 70 years ago against 20 something million who don't give a shit because they live in one of the wealthiest countries in the world and want to keep it that way. Do the political math.

30 years ago you'd have a case. Now - not so much.

Gangbang Style > A few all fucks in the north,

For a historical example - take a look how much german unification cost the west germany. East germany was in far better shape in 1989 then NK is now.

>>36409408
You clearly don't understand Asian familial relations.

>using Europeans as examples
These cucks are the worst when it comes to unity. If you would look at the entirety of European history, if no one else is killing them, they would be killing each other.
>Yurop
>unity
Pick one and only one.

>>36409395
If there was a military action against NK, then it would be 2-week campaign similar to how the US raped Iraq - twice.

War is costly. NK has no money. They will fart a few farts ( a nuke, or two, some shelling ) and then give up because they have no means of prolonged conflict. South could take them out anyday.

>>36409395

>That's why most do not defect

May I ask how you know the motives of North Korean people?

Have you talked to them or are you just making assumptions by applying your personal outlook on life to their situation?

You haven't been brought up watching exclusively pro-NK, anti-American propaganda. If anything you've had the opposite treatment.

>>36409442
Removing Best Korea is moot because of >>36409123
Justification for troop presence in South Korea AND Japan nigga

>>36409454
The US doesn't really need that, China wants them to stay even more, they don't want a huge US ally right next to them.

>>36409238
>thinking we lost the Vietnam war

You delusional retard

>>36409447
>May I ask how you know the motives of North Korean people?
I've had classmates who were children of 1st gen South Korean immigrants. They get assblasted when you refer to Korea as South Korea or North Korea. It's just Korea for them. That being said they are not stupid as you are inclined to believe. They know of life outside NK. Why do you think, despite intensive propaganda since birth, people still want to defect?

>>36409480
The US really needs that. You are forgetting that South Korea is still a sovereign nation and can by international law tell the US to pls go. The less reasons the US has to stay the stronger nationalists who want them out become.

>>36409504

North Vietnam achieved their objectives
USA failed to achieve their objectives

>USA didn't lose

>>36409511

So you know people who are not North Koreans. Great, that makes you a true authority.

>>36409440
>You clearly don't understand Asian familial relations.

History has proven multiple times, that people are very, very reluctant to give up their comforts. Asian or not.

>These cucks are the worst when it comes to unity.

You dense?

GDP of west vs east germany in 1989 was approximately 10:1. The same ratio for south/north korea now is 50:1 - FIFTY TO FUCKING ONE!. Germans had to spend severl hundread billion marks ( euros now ) and still, after 25 years the east lags the west in development. This stagnated german growth for 20 years.

South korea would need to spend trillions to make up 80 years of development.

>>36408355
Anyone dumb enough to pull this shit deserves it. We're not going to annihilate some third world shithole to save a retard

>>36409533
>thats because we couldnt drop and atomic bomb on them to wipe em off the map
its morally unethical

>>36409533
explain to me what were the 'objectives' of the two sides, shitter

>>36409533
>that makes you a true authority.
Better than you :^)

>>36409549
>You dense?
>it's only the economy, stupid
Are you?

>>36409279

I'd like a North Korean propaganda poster, brah.

Stealing one sounds like a typical "yeah that'd be cool" move.

>>36409567
Every war which US took part in between 1945 and 1989 was a proxy war between Soviets and Nato.

Protip - there is no USSR anymore.

>>36409567

Vietnam: Unifying vietnam under North Vietnamese communist control.

USA: Creating a non-communist puppet-state in South Vietnam.

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>>36408516
>Russia and China would let NATO even closer to their borders in the east

no.

>>36409587
>Vietnam Today: another cog in the global capitalist machine
USA/Jews/Reptilians won brah
Shit even China is part of the party.

>>36409575
>Are you?

Go to Seoul. Make a street poll with one question.

"We are going to impose 90% tax on your income for 5 years to make Korea great again. Do you agree?"

Return with answers.

>>36409602
Russia is irrelevant, and will remain irrelevant for some time now.. Being close to border is irrelevant. You can make precision nuke drone strikes in enemy territory while sipping latter at starbucks in NYC these days.

>>36409611
>implying you even need to increase taxes to take in the millions of starving northerners
>implying those starving northerners are not sources of cheap labor
>implying they couldn't do what the US did in the great depression and create jobs through a massive undertaking to create infrastructure in the north
>implying business doesn't follow infrastructure
>implying good business is not where you find it
>implying bonds don't exist
>muh taxes
>being this simple minded

>>36409504
They unified Vietnam under their banner and it continues that way, that's kinda winning the war m8

>>36409628
>muh nukes
>creating tension to wipe out an insignificant shitter in the east
>implying tension in international relations is good for business
>implying the lobbyists on all the countries will not tell the leaders to cut the shit because war is bad for business
>muh arms dealer
>implying they aren't outnumbered by those who will suffer financially in the event of war
>implying the pros of removing North Korea outweigh the cons
Please leave

>>36409553

>sending refugees to europe in order to attack syria to avoid civilian victims and control their natural resources

now thats ethical right?

>>36409655
So (You) think they would agree?

By the way. It just shows your ignorance of issues with people from post communist countries. I bet you think that taking in 3 million "refugees" into europe was fine and dandy.

>>36409361
Because some might have not been American, and in any case NK wants to do this without harming the tourism industry more than it currently is.

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>>36409609

Ye I know right, five year plans and hammer&sickle signs embody capitalism.

China and South Korea don't want to destroy NK because they'll have to deal with 25 gorillion starving, unskilled refugees. US doesn't really give a shit because we like having a military presence on the peninsula. Everyone is collectively nervous about war with NK because they are, in fact, a nuclear state. And finally we don't want to assassinate/remove the Kim family from power because they're a bunch of retards who waste shitloads of money on vanity projects, huge but useless shows of force, and personal luxuries, which help keep the state poor, starving, and powerless.

In a few decades when the regime collapses or we finally have a legit reason to invade or the entire country dies of the black plague or whatever and we finally get a look inside the death camps, mass graves, starving and diseased population, etc, people from the future will say, in retrospect, "why didn't we invade sooner? Why didn't we put a stop to this and help these people?" just like people nowadays say about Hitler and Hirohito.

>>36409693
Russian nukes are 20-30 years old. besides - if they pulled them off, they would get ass ravaged by pretty much everyone.

Russia is no condition for an extended fight with a 1st world nation, let alone NATO or US.

>>36409704
>I bet you think that taking in 3 million "refugees" into europe was fine and dandy.
top kek yurocuck detected. No I'm from the land of the free with proper immigration policies.

>>36409714
>Ye I know right, five year plans and hammer&sickle signs embody capitalism.
>do capitalist things
>benefit from capitalist acts
>it's okay guys we are communists look at these signs
pls go

>>36409716
So much this. Everyone likes to have a moral high ground in hindsight.

>>36409733
You're missing the point. The point is an armed confrontation between actual states is very unlikely because people want to make money more than
>muh values
>muh political beliefs
and will only ride the muh values muh beliefs bandwagon if it will benefit them.

>>36409745
>top kek yurocuck detected. No I'm from the land of the free with proper immigration policies.

Thusly you disagree with your own argument. GJ.

>>36409716
This. All these talk of values and other gay shit is irrelevant.

>mouths to feed
>excuse to have boots on the ground

North Korea is a containment area, kind of like /pol/ except it doesn't leak as bad.

>>36409691
Look up casualties from each side and tell me how successful they were. If you consider those the terms of 'winning' we could've dropped a nuke on them but that would have been 'wrong'

>>36409768
You on the other hand lost the plot. I responded to anon who claimed that russia would try to stop hypothetical conflict on the Korean penisula. They would not. Russia is mostly butthurt and farts these days.

>>36408516 <- my original statement.

>>364097149
Good goyim

>>36409774
If you were referring to "hurr 90%" that's a question where a lot of things are assumed to be true, which were addressed in maymay arrow form >>36409655
The "ask koreans if they want to be taxed" post is flawed and deserves no further attention.

>>36409733
>Russian nukes are 20-30 years old.
Wrong, comrade, very wrong.
New nukes are commissioned all the time.

>>36409818
See >>36409716

>>36409837
I am referring to your list of "benefits" from taking care of 20 million of unskilled north koreans. IF you hold such benefits are there, then such benefits should apply to 3 million "refugees" in jewrop or 15 million mexicans in murika.

>>36409800
>>36409745

>casualties decide who wins wars

I know right, that's why Germany won WW2 and Russia lost.

North Vietnam achieved their objective. USA failed their objective. End of story.

That the victorious North Vietnamese communist government later on decided to adopt capitalist practices, is a convenient fact, not a result of any deliberate action during the war.

>>36409855
And this was me agreeing -> >>36409757

>>36409873
You seem to have ignored the part where the government starts a massive infrastructure project which in turn creates jobs and stimulates the economy. North Korea has shit infrastructure. Bringing in the US and Europe is irrelevant because the infrastructure construction angle cannot be applied to it.

>>36409163

American troops killed the north vietnamese 10:1. Every major confrontation, even the tet offensive, was a NATO victory. The US pulled out because hippies didn't understand why we were there and thought we shouldn't be fighting wars for no reason. So the US pulled out and the communists killed 3 million civilians across southeast asia. Oh, I guess that's why we were fighting.

Plus, the war could have been even more one sided if the airforce pulled its head out of its ass and did more bombing, but nooo, dogfights only final destination.

>>36409628
>Russia is irrelevant
This is why /fit/ should never discuss politics

>>36409910

>US wastes billions and American lives to mow down gooks at alarming rates, while never achieving their strategic objective.
>People get so tired of the bullshit they demand an end to the war
>If only those darn hippies would have let us turn the entrie country into ash, we could have claimed victory!

And you wanna do it again in North Korea?

>>36409895
Do you know the concept of "Homo Sovieticus"?

Take a read - even Wiki article is bretty gud. This kind of mentality was prelevalent in post soviet countries, and is the biggest obstacle in development.

You come from the invalid notion that those people are going to be industrious people just like westerners are. This is incorrect. The longer a country is under communist rule, the more demoralized and apathetic society gets.

If china needed 40 years to bring itsself from the gutter to somewhat respectable country, and still has massive poverty, then NK will require even more time and effort. Most post soviet countries started way better the NK and still

>>36409910
>muh hippies
>we dindu nuffin
The Americans haven't fought in a righteous war since their westward expansion.

>>36408516
> Invade a county with very real nukes and are very interested in fucking up Seoul
> Invade a country with millions of soldiers, while not particularly well-trained or modern. Will fuck you up with sheer numbers and zealous morale.

I'd rather not

>>36408516
Because if we made any real move against North Korea they would just shell and bomb Seoul to dust before anyone could react.

>>36410008

North Vietnam actually signed a peace treaty ending their invasion, when the US pulled out. So, the US did actually achieve their strategic objective. The fact that North Vietnam might invade again later should have and probably was anticipated, and the US should have gone back, but didn't. But that doesn't change the fact that north vietnam knew they could not continue to fight the US and hope to maintain enough military power to even hold, much less take south vietnam.

>>36409800
There's a difference between strategic (yet Pyrrhic) victory and tactical victory, which in the case of Vietnam tended towards being mutually exclusive.

>>36410040
You sir know nothing about war. It cost 1 trillion to keep a few towelheads at bay in Iraq. However one of the poorest countries in the world is going to put a significant fight?

>>36410030

The Vietnam War was was defending millions of civilians against a regime that slaughtered them because we decided they weren't worth the bad PR. It was much more just than even the Mexican war.

>>36409910

>the communists killed 3 million civilians across southeast asia.

I do hope you aren't talking about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, because it was the North Vietnamese that put a stop to those guys.

>>36408269
You and your family and your next generations gets sent to torture/work camps. Or something like that

>>36410086
Yes, those innocent civilians in another country completely outwith western jurisdiction was totally worth ruining countless American lives! Got to bring FREEDOM(TM) and DEMOCRACY(TM) to the lesser peoples, after all, it's the white man's burden!

>>36410030

>ethnic cleansing of indigenous peoples
>righteous

>>36410109
The Natives were simply outclassed by the settlers. They're lucky any of them at all were allowed to live.

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>>36410086

>>36410086

Jesus christ are you delusional?

Diem (the guy in charge of South-Vietnam) was a totally fucked up dictator, and not an inch better morally than the North leaders. In fact he was part of the reason so many people were willing to fight the Americans.

The US was there for no other reason than to fight communism. Its called the cold war. Look it up some day.

>>36410124
Still wondering what part of that you deem "righteous."

>>36408149
Good thing he didn't steal one of their fucking Kim special limited edition pins. That would have gotten him the death penalty. Still, retard deserves it.

>>36408325
I had to go to Pyongyang for work 3 years ago and the armed 'guide' basically told me that I should stay in my room at the hotel because you can get fucked for like no reason whatsoever.

>>36410092

Not just them but that was a part of it. They were allowed to rise in power in order to assist the north vietnamese, and ultimately they only went to war with north vietnam over struggle for power over the region.

>>36410129
He's probably just a normal American.

>>36410141
Claiming new land and resources for your people.

>>36410108

Damned if we do damned if we don't. Rwanda made that clear.

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>>36410180

"You mirin mein Lebensraum?"

>>36410187
Even on the pretence of helping oppressed peoples you shouldn't be warring in foreign countries like that, America should be valuing the lives of it's own citizens over foreigners.

The harsh reality is that brave patriots aren't dying for freedom and democracy, they're dying for a wealthy Jewish oligarchy.
>>36410207

>>36410165
This is partially true, but partially not. The Khmer rouge was not brought up to assist the North Vietnamese, as North Vietnam leaned Soviet whilst the Cambodians leaned Chinese. Rather, Cambodia was a counterweight to Soviet influence in the area. A poor one, as we're no doubt aware. Nonetheless, for this reason the US and China threw in their lot with the Khmer rouge when that lot got ousted by the North Vietnamese. They were never serious regional rivals, but they were annoying enough to merit occupation. It was China that Vietnam actually worried about.

>>36410207
sup kameraden

Bet hes contemplating suicide right now. The poor fuck.

>>36410187
Not true, were it not for the french Rwanda post-genocide would have been an easy intervention