/owg/ - Olympic Weightlifting General

>>35575886
I don't really see to many current lifters with this type of physique.

>>35575886
kakhi and vardanian are probably the best lifters who ever walked on this planet

>>35575886
is this a good program for a novice lifter ( i've been doing oly for a while but i dont have a really solid tech) ?

Snatch : 8 Sets of Doubles
Clean and Jerk :8 Sets of Singles
Front Squat: 5 Sets of 5
Press : 5 Sets of 3
+some abs work

3 times a week, it's dan john beginner program.
it just feels awkward not doing back squats

>>35576045
ask your coach

>>35575886
My left leg goes backwards by too much when going down after cleans. I assume it's because of an imbalance created by jerks. My torso is also crooked in the same direction, my hip is turned a bit more to the left on a neutral stance.

What would be good exercises/stretches to rectify this?

>>35576045
my coach doesnt care much about my program, he wants to put me on an advanced cycle with a zillion of volume and 6 variation a day when i dont even know how to snatch properly.

>>35576045
Back squats are mostly done for strength while beginner programs are made to build technique.

>>35576045
I've pretty much started doing this since my last workout, not gonna be doing it forever obviously, but.

3x a week non-consecutive

Snatch: A bunch of doubles/singles
Clean and Jerk: A bunch of singles
Back Squat: 5x5
and then if I have time or whatever
Push Press: 5x3 or whatever

Just looking to learn technique on the lifts and build some leg and overhead strength.

Good plan? In a bit I may switch out push press with press on the day in the middle of the week and do it for 5x5 and then replace back squats with front squats.

>>35576274
thats basically the same thing without prescribed sets.
and you probably still end up doing 8/10 sets anyway because you get tired.
i did it today anyway, managed to ho 8x2 snatch with my 80% and 8x1 on cnj with my 90%
lets see how it goes.

>>35576115
Stretch hip flexor/groin i have the same issue
On new mobile so no trip rn

>>35575886

How will it be when olympic lifting becomes main stream again? Also hi pol owg bro.

>>35576621
i hope so, it's such a great sport

When doing OHP, should I use my jerk grip or the slightly narrower grip I'm currently using?
I'm doing them for general shoulder health and because i enjoy the lift.
I do push presses with my jerk grip.
I've read conflicting advice on this and I'd appreciate any input, thanks.

Hey, yeah, what the hell was with that temporary migration to /pol/ last night?

Guys i want to work on my glute strength, but i do not want to do back bridges, what do??

>>35576694

Yasha says use jerk grip for better carryover. Justin says use narrow grip for maximal pressing efficiency. Since 'more efficient' is not necessarily better for training, and because the press isn't a competition lift anymore, I am inclined to agree with Yasha.

>>35576716

Become a power bottom. Advertise on Grindr, make sick gains.

>>35576716
RDL, hip thrust, paused back squats, any form of pull from the ground

>>35576739
Thank you, that seems sensible.

>>35575964
It's partly the singlet, shorts like that make quads look bigger

>>35576786
>>35576745

thaanks guys, also ghr and front squats?

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Nice thread OP. I just started weightlifting this year.
Here where I live, this sport is very rare to see and I have to learn by myself.

Just read the entire Starting Strength book and for now I'm doing his program. Am I doing right?

Today start my second week, today (in a few hours) I will introduce the Power Clean, hope I can do it right.

>>35577022 here.

Also, in the SS method, the author say to exercise 3 times a week, with 1 day between for rest.

3 times a week will be better than training everyday, with a slower progression? I'm skinny and want to get big faster.

When can I change to everyday training?

Anyone ever sprain their back foam rolling?

>>35576523
Thanks

>>35577263
How do you manage to do that? You gotta give yourself a massage not a beating

Has anyone here dealt with a clavicle that is thicker or sticks out more on one side? I can't hold the rack without the bar resting on the middle of my left clavicle.

It's not a flexibility issue. My elbows are really damn high.

I've tried shrugging my shoulders up, but the weight just pushes them down to the neutral position, and the area around my scapula gets fatigued.

The pain is making the rack position impossible, and I don't feel I can add any more weight because of it.

>>35577713
I had this issue for a while but it was when I first started, it was caused by shit posture/internal rotation.
With your arms at your side supinate your palms and retract your scapula while looking in the mirror, if it becomes less prominent then that's the problem and it's not hard to fix.
Shoulders shouldn't be shrugged in the rack position though.
Report back if that's the issue or not.

>>35566568
EVO Haugesund ja

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>>35577837
It is somewhat less prominent, but still noticeably more prominent than my right clavicle.

My whole left clavicle sticks out more but it only rests against the same spot Lu has his bruise. I developed some bruising in the same spot a few days ago front squatting. Since then I've been trying to find a way to get a good rack position without hitting my clavicle.

>Shoulders shouldn't be shrugged in the rack position though.
I was listening to Greg Everrett and Glenn Pendlay. Shrugged shoulders always felt awkward and it hasn't helped at all anyway.

>>35578442

Why is her snatch so sloppy.

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Go vote for Mattie!

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>>35578501
>Holly mangold

hello
could i get a formcheck on these 38kg snatches and on this 45kg snatch PR?
what did I do wrong in the last 38kg snatch and in the 45kg snatch that makes me have to walk forward to get the lift?
(i did 6x3reps with 38kg and after that the 45kg, I was pretty tired, maybe that's why i failed a bit)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXNgfple804

thanks for any criticism/advice

This is kind of a worthless question, but this is also kind of a worthless website:

Mattie Rogers does not look like most successful female athletes. She has traditionally feminine feature, esp. in her facial structure. I am used to seeing manly women perform well.

Is she actually a pretty good lifter, or is she nowhere near the top of female talent (US or abroad, keeping in mind age-group, etc)?

>>35579073
she's really good and is improving at a good rate.
she's totaling around 235 kg and the world record is 261 in her category.
not saying she's going to take it by any means, but when you total 90% of the world record you're pretty damn good on an international level

>>35575886
Goddamn it looks so assymetric that it bothers my eyes. Wonder if he has spine/hip/knee problems by now.

>>35575886
god, just look at his face, he's so fucking happy, that was probably the best day of his life.
that's what i love in sports

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>>35579073
She is among the top five female weightlifters in the US. May very will be THE best within the next six months or so. She's mediocre internationally, but all US lifters are and have been since the late 70s.

Mattie's progressed very well, very quickly, and she's only 20. She started weightlifting in late 2012. Set several national records last year in two weight classes.

>>35579175
Her best total is 226. WR is 286.

>>35578940
firstly you're starting with your shoulders pretty far behind the bar, consequently your hips have to shoot up to be in the right position at the knee, personally I would start more over the bar to have a cleaner pull to the knee and a consistent back, however if you feel strong in the current manner and it stays consistent at any weight its not too big an issue.

secondly, you're extending a bit early, consequently the bar doesn't come into the hips properly and ends up floating out in front once you pass the knees. a complex something like snatch deadlift to hip position + snatch pull + snatch would be good to work on this.

finally your bottom position seems a bit wobbly and awkward. seems you would benefit a lot if you could open your hips out, you could get you knees out, squat deeper and be more stable in the bottom, so work on groin stretches and such

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>>35579398

is she a jew?

>>35578125
I wouldn't alter your rack position unless it's unbearably painful. It's probably going to be a posture issue that'll most likely improve with time (assuming you're relatively new to using the front rack position).
Regarding the shrugging of shoulders I've never heard that before.
The best cue regarding front squats I've recently heard is to push not only up, but also out with the elbows when recovering from a cleans/fs. Makes it slightly easier to maintain correct tension in the upper/mid back.
Hope some of that is relevant

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>>35579514
It is painful, and I've already bruised it slightly. I'd rather not see the bruising get worse by continuing to use the same rack. It's not posture that's the problem, and the bar ends up resting on my clavicle when I'm completely upright after recovery, or when starting to front squat. My understanding is that contact with the clavicle is okay, but holding the bar with the clavicle is not, especially if it's painful.

I've been looking at more Lu material to see how he deals with his clavicle problem. Maybe I'm supposed to get the bar a bit further back, but I'm not sure how much pressure is okay to put on the throat.

Everett mentions shrugging your shoulders up in his book. I don't remember where Pendlay said it, maybe he didn't and I thought of the wrong guy.

form check pls
>https://youtu.be/Rf2xCOmVHqk

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>>35579787
Also I have another problem.

There's an aching pain in my lower left leg. I think it's the soleus but I'm not 100% sure. I get it after squatting (regardless if it's bodyweight or 150kg), but it's never lasting and it goes away after an hour or so. I can also feel it slightly after walking only 5-10 minutes. Resting a few extra days hasn't helped. Has anyone else dealt with this?

what type of squats do you guys do? highbar atg with bounce? thats what i have been doing, but does it really fuck up your knees?

>>35580069
no, stretch relfex

>>35577022
>>35577105
Can't tell if troll or just a silly bugger

Have you been enjoying learning how to snatch and clean & jerk?

>>35579073
Plenty of female weightlifters look feminine

>>35580107
what about the stretch reflex?

>>35580489
it's a natural part of body mechanics

DOING SNATCHES MY FUCKING SHOULDERS GRRR

ONLY MY 2ND EORKOUT DOING SNATCHES
I HAVE THIS FUCKING PAIN IT HURTS SO FUCKING MUCH

THE JERKS ARE MAKINGNUT EGEN WORSE

LAST TIME IT WENT AWAY AFTER I STOPPED HILDING WEIGHT OH

WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO

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>>35575886
What does it mean when I hit my throat when receiving the clean?

Does it mean I am maintaining a vertical bar path or that I am not finishing my second pull, or not getting my third pull done.

I am reading Everrett's book, but does anyone have some good videos on how to do the lifts. CalStrength isn't as comprehensive as I thought but is it enough? How about Torokhity's videos?

>>35580945
2nd pull not finished

>tfw just wrapped up a 2hr session
dem endorphins

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Hello owg, I come looking for a form check on babby's first front squat attempt.
https://youtu.be/ep1eNtj8Ir0
Felt good, worked up to lmao1pl8 for 3x5. What say you?

Why do Pendlay bars have no middle knurling?

>>35581674
Love this webm

>>35581674
depht is below paralel

if you are oly id try to go max depth

i think you should have your knees more forward and more upright, but i dont think your mobility permits. work on that.

you dont look very mobile. so i have doubts youll be able to go atg keeping your spine in good alignment and keeping weight on the heel and being moderately upright

>>35581674
10/10 what anime ?

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>>35581959
Not oly but hope to get into it sometime in the future, currently doing mobility for ankles, hams, hips, and wrists everyday.

>>35581976
Kaiji, berry good

>>35578495
Fucking niggers will do that.

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>>35580639
it was not my shoulders but my elbows that were aching. i started taking fish oil and foam roll shoulders and triceps. and i also stopped benching

>>35582034
dumb androdurkz

>>35582034
what the fuck

>>35582034
https://www.instagram.com/p/BAaTroBG1id/?taken-by=japadu

>>35582039
I haven't bench in a few workouts and I always take fish oil. I don't foam roll yet.

Maybe it's just overload from stretching my shoulders so much.


vid (dot) me (slash) m3pe

I FUCKING SUCK AT JERKS

IM ALWAYS PRESSING THEM OUT UNLESS ITS BABY WEIGHT

WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO

HOW DO I GET GOOD

REEEEEEEEE

is my dip and drive shitty and am i not lunging deep enough

>>35582224
Bar path should be straight up

Move your head out of the way

Put head in front

Use hip to propel bar up

Dip down to get under

Little effort dude

Hey guys. I have this problem with way too much forward lean on cleans and front squats. ATM I'm a total beginner and practicing tech with just the bar but idk how to fix this. I often feel like I need to 'chase the bar' if that makes sense.

>>35582224
keep working on drills like drop jerks and you will be better at it. i found the jerk harder to learn than the snatch desu but thats probably just me

>>35580639

Stretch, take aspirin or ibuprofen, cryotherapy, rest, keep going. I had the same problem starting out. It gets better.

>>35580945

You are probably over-anticipating the third pull, rushing to meet the bar low only to find it higher and close than you expected.

Finish the second pull, then actively 'guide' the bar to your rack. Easier said than done, but practice makes better than nothing.

>>35582346
>Bar path should be straight up

lmao idiot

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R.I.P. Mattie

>>35575886
So do you guys think you're going to Rio in 2016?

>>35583388
>on blocks nearly a fucking meter off the ground

Get fucked, why even do it if you are seriously cheating that much? That's worse then 3/4 squatting.


HYE LOOK BOYS IM STRONG TO :) XD XD

rate the order of importance of these 3 traits:

-power
-flexibility/mobility
-technique

>>35583475
spotted the autist

>>35583477
1.mobility
2.power
3.technique

>>35582562
Anyone?

>>35583475

1. They're set below her knee
2. Block work isn't 'cheating'
3. It's okay if a 20-year-old, 152lb girl lifts more than you, bubula.

>>35584050

Post a vid.

>>35582052
Thought u wer ded bby

>>35583463
Pretty much everyone in this general is going to Rio, I'm a 77m, there's about six people going to rio in my weight class ITT

>>35583477
Well the thing is, you need mobility to have good technique, and you need good technique to be really good. You will never be good at all without strength/power. So I'd say strength/power, then technique, then mobility.

>>35579398
Isnt She a 63?

>>35575886
His lower leg looks so short and small compared to his femurs and quads wow.

>>35580069
I used to bomb my squats and bounce, now i have a shitty left knee. Come down slowly, controlled.

Any good mobility and stretching drills people have tried?

I'm having problems catching my snatches low. I'm getting a nice full extension but I just can't pull under and get into bottom position quick enough.

Been doing lots of snatch balance bit I think my hip mobility is also lacking.

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>>35586089
have you tried doing snatches off blocks? i found that doing snatches off blocks really helped me getting under. also pic related for stretching

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>>35583475
It's called weak point training, do you even lift bro?

>>35586516

I've been thinking about that, is there much of a difference between blocks and from the hang?

>>35575886
Tried to learn Power Cleans today after watching Alan Thrall video about them. Made some progress but still have a lot to work on. Any tips, guys?

>>35583475

>that
>a metre

fucking manlets

>>35586581

Hips hips hips

Pull straight, don't loop the bar

>>35581674
not bad, need more depth though

>>35586591
I noticed that Alan thrusts the barbell with hips forward which seems to create a powerful momentum, but I can't seem to do that yet, it goes straight up from like knee level. Should I lean back more?

>>35586616

His form kind of sucks but his video has good tips.

Don't think about humping the bar, just think about extending and making yourself as tall as possible, get right up on your toes and shrug hard. Don't bend your arms.

Do not lean back, you don't want your weight on your heels in the extension.

>>35586773
Yeah, I winded up balancing on my heels in the end of one rep with the bar on my shoulders. Do not want to repeat this. I'll keep perfecting my form, hopefully it won't get me on Snap City Express.

>>35586816

As long as you pull straight you shouldn't fall backwards and should always be able to dump the weight forward. The clean is a really safe lift.

Just think about being tall in the pull and extension, then pull up on the bar as you start to drop under. Feet should either not move much (moreso for the power clean than clean) or finish slightly behind starting position.

>>35586937
>finish slightly behind starting position.
How so? Like, jump back a bit?

>>35586984

Exactly that, only an inch or so.

Watch slowmo lifts. Most lifters will land slightly behind their starting position. It's a good thing to focus on so you make sure you lift your feet.

>>35583475
Yknow how I know you don't lift?

>>35578501
Mattie isn't even the best lifter on there. Robles and Arthur are by far and away the best.

>35579398
She will not be the best US lifter any time soon. Not now, not ever. CJ is the most promising, and Arthur and Robles are the best. Norik and Lee have also been quite impressive.

>>35587090
Okay, thx m8.

>>35587221
>>35587211

>tfw everyone watching me poop my pants
>Tian and Liao are going to make fun of me
>fuckers

>>35587332
That's just for the poster the pretty ones always wins

Ellen won for the jrs even when she hasn't won the national title for her weight class

>>35578501
OK the whole Mattie spam was pretty funny at first, but now I think there's some gut who probably has an altar of printed pics of her who posts her videos daily.if you're reading this, well played this one of the spiciest memes I've seen on both Reddit and 4chan.keep the good work, ignore the rational, normal people calling you a loser

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Jerk double @ 70kg, and major problems/any minor suggestions?

>>35590148
why do they always come out fuckin sideways, fml

>>35590148
Shit jerk

Your Head takes to long to move ahead of the bar, which means more time without the musculature of your back supporting the bar

Before you jerk, move your head back, and then shoot it through

>>35590245
ty

>>35590148
How often do you PR your back squat? What is it at now?

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Hello owg, I did SS a couple of years ago but substituted cleans for weighted chins. Now I want to get into clean and jerk, but I'm having a few problems.

The main issue is the bar sometimes crashing into my dick. It's making it pretty hard to practice and I can't see how I can improve my overall form when I'm worrying about my nuts constantly. I'm hoping it's a basic form error that's causing it.

Second issue is tiring myself under the bar, I'm keeping the weight light while I sort technique, but I can get it up to my shoulder with ease, will dropping down become natural when the weight goes up or is it something you have to force at the beginning?

Lastly I don't think I have the wrist flexibility to make racking the weight on my shoulders comfortably. I'm guessing working on getting squats will gradually improve my flexibility but I'm worried I'm holding the bar at the wrong width or something. On The other hand I'm trying to hold the bar at a width with minimises genital infringement.

Thanks guys

>>35590335
>Chalk underwater at a hotel/private resort villa pool
Fucking rude ass russians bro

>>35590304
havent touched BS max in a while cause im basically in the middle of ontarios competition season

>>35590440
It's a private villa, yknow they probs just drain it while there are no residents

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>I will never have a weightlifting gf this qt

why even live

>>35579873
it is supposed to be one movement, not two

I have a trivial question for owg

What style looks best to you? The typocal, smooth, hardly moving feet style of Chinese like lu, or the more stampy style of some in Europe and people like ehab? Or maybe the middle ground of a klokov?

What u think looks coolest, disregarding efficiency and body types etc

>>35590421
Bar should make contact upper thigh, if you hit your dick you might be bending your arms early, take video to have a look

Pulling yourself under is something you have to work on consciously, as you triple extend shrug and pull yourself under as you move your feet. Look at yasha blog in op for article on muscle snatches, pretend he talks about cleans. Do his muscle cleans and tall hang cleans to learn how to pull under

You can work on wrist flexibility, but it's likely lat, delt, and tricep flexibility that is a limiting factor not wrists, google closed chain wrist mobility to find exercises for wrist mobility

Take a video to see issues, film from 45 degree angle

>>35591197
https://www.instagram.com/max_lang_weightlifting/

>>35591197
the best looking snatch imho is wu jingbiao's.
i really likes how he is so stable in such a deep hole.
chinese tech is really appealing to the eye, looks like they do it effortless

>>35591197
I like audible feet and late double knee bends so Khetag Khugaev, Apti Aukhadov, Artem Okulov

>>35591468
Was actually watching his latest snatch vid that made me.post the question. Really smooth yet powerful I like it.

>>35591572
I like audiable feet too, but I tend to slide rather than stamp myself cos I catch close to my pull... It'd be retarded to try emulate a stamp if it isn't natural wouldn't it?

>>35591729
yes, go with what comes naturally/what makes you feel strongest, but also keep in mind that tech will change over time as you find what works best

Hey guys I have some questions about squatting and knee pain.

A few months ago I got some lifting shoes and switched from low bar to high bar. Initially it went fine but I haven't been able to progress due to accute knee pain whenever I squat and also when I just squat my own body. I read that the chinese use a very specific/strict squatting style when they lift and it involves a virtually vertical back angle. I know HB is more straight up than LB, but exactly how similar to a front squat (which I have no problem with) does a high bar back squat need to be?

>>35591872
I guess, I'm quite nooby (6months or so) and only recently really tried to focus on proper technique and I've noticed with lighter weights I've got alot more aggressive and snappy but as I get to 80%+ while I'm still getting under quicker it is a little more timid with the feet. I guess time will tell which becomes prevailant, just not trying to actively stamp or not just trying to b quick and what comes out comes out I guess

wrists hurt after playing around in overhead position (snatches and squats).

can't find much info on grip for snatch.

what am i doing wrong?
do i need wrist straps?

>>35592157
Probably just inflexible my wrist used to be v sore when I first started it's got better over time

>>35591197
What looks the coolest? I like the way the "Chinese" technique looks, and particularly that one 75kg Chinese woman who doesn't even move her feet. I forget her name

>>35592055
im the same way, all the way up to 90-95%ish i can be v aggresive and fast but once it reaches pr numbers everything goes out the window, duno if thats normal but whateva

>>35591872
I feel stronger and more explosive when I stamp my feet but I can't make a habit out of it.

>>35592016
Everyone is different m8, weightlifters have good mobility and you need good mobility to squat with a more upright back. On YouTube there's a video called "squat like a weightlifter" or something like that, it's done by some German guy and is an hour long or so. You got to find what works for you, but if you've got knee pain when squatting just your body you should probably take a few weeks off

>>35592351
Okay thanks I'll check it out.

>>35592318
I think it is even for some top lifters you can see some breakdown in technique sometimes.

Mine starts to get inconsistent at around 80%. Some are great and some are rough. I think time will create consistency the more I get an idea of how good reps feel

>>35592415
yep, as well consistency should be your number 1 goal atm

>>35577105
You wont want to switch to everyday workouts until you feel like you have given your muscles a fair start in the world of lifting.

The reason we rest in between days is to let our muscles rebuild themselves a little stronger.

If you want to workout everyday, switch to a program that targets main muscle groups each day. For example , legs Monday, arms Tuesday, shoulders Wednesday etc. This way, your muscles have plenty of time to rebuild without damaging them or over working them.

>>35578462
I wish i had a rack :(

I have to do my squats leg by leg using barbells.

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>>35589247
Okay I'm no longer posting Mattie as of right now. She's a nice girl off the internet and without the awful faux ebonics. I'm not fueling any weird shit that might happen to her because she's posted here. Maybe the old Mattie guy will start posting her again, or some new guy will, but I'm personally done.

At least if I spammed Taranenko or any long ago lifter, no one here would try getting his home address, family tree, or whatever the fuck in order to send /owg/ and /r9k/ memes on paper. So I'll stick to that.

I'm pretty new here. Can someone explain why America is shit at Oly lifting?

>>35593775
Americans with talent gravitate to other strength sports like football, or athletics like basketball. More money, more prevalent

>>35593855
I realize that's a big part of it, but what about training methods?...drug testing?

>>35593926
My first point>Support from govt> Drug testing>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> training method

Then again, since there is a lack of support from govt, most lifters are forced to work a job as well as lift, which cuts into training

Thoughts?
https://youtu.be/jf71Q3YrtIg

>>35595567
what about it? i dont really like the whole 2 fingers on bar, but whatever i dont see anything wrong w it

>>35595642
How many fingers should he have on the bar?

>>35595652
optimally a full grip on the bar, atleast ive found that helps me keep my upperback tightest as well as having more control.

>>35595662
How long did he pause for?

>>35595567
looks like your not very tight at the bottom of the lift but otherwise really nice, how have you been lotus?

>>35595685
just under 30s

>>35595695
What would cause him to lose tightness at the bottom? Is his rack position too narrow? lotus who?

>>35593926

The testing is, well its basically irrelevant in this comparison. Gear helps, no fucking doubt about that, but the US (and most other western countries) would still get stomped on a level playing field drug-wise. The effectiveness of enhancing your talent pool is still limited by that talent pool - all the gear in the world won't make a mediocre talent put up world class totals.

The training is, again, also pretty much irrelevant if considered by itself. There's a ton of different effective training methodologies that are better or worse depending on the individual and the circumstances. You can't just take, say, the Bulgarian training method and expect it to work as well for the US team as it did for the Bulgarians because almost every factor outside of the training routine is totally different as well.

>>35595717
The person in the vid is lotus, a former tripfag, he's alright. It looked like he was losing tightness in his upper back and collapsing forward abit at the bottom, might be the camera angle

>>35591468
tfw max lang follows me

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>>35592157
ok just a few muscle snatches and one set of overhead squats (babyweight, literally just 65lb) and my wrists are PULVERIZED and i bought some fucking faggy-ass gloves with built-in wrist-straps...

what the fuck am i doing wrong that fucks my wrists up so hard?
i am keeping my elbows straight, and trying to lift the bar with my back, not my wrists.

but the fucking wrist leverage keeps fucking my shit up.

clearly there has to be a correct way to grip things in the overhead position, and i highly doubt i am doing it right.

>tfw you try to overhead squat 95lb, and the bar smacks you on the top of the head on its way down

>>35597125
as part of my planche accessory work, yea...

i thought it was more gymnastics than oly though..

>>35597755
Internally rotate shoulders, shrug traps

>>35597879
i swear to you, i am flexing the shit out of every goddamn back muscle i have.

... you mean externally rotate, right??

does anyone have the lu snatch webm where its really slowed down, its from the side angle

google just gave me him doing the lift in real time

>>35597904
FUCK! How do I mess this up

I externally rotate my shoulders in overhead position

But I hear people say external rotation is best to prevent injuries, I also hear people say to internally rotate shoulders is best

I think the general gist of the argument around it is that external rotation forces back muscles to stabilise the shoulder, but other people say that internally rotate shoulder to do the same thing

>>35598009
What you are thinking of can probably be found on MA strength's Instagram

>>35580005
I have. Getting dry needling and triggerpointing/massage has helped. If you're too cheap to do ether of those self-release might work a bit. Will be hard though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0QFz-na96w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1eD2gTe1Jw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2wyg9-4rR0

i didn't find the webm but the last video is what i think the webm was taking from

they are all really good though

>>35598153
How frequently would I need to do this?

guys I hit a PR snatch yesterday

https://www.instagram.com/p/BAc_qmICi7w/?taken-by=budstinger

basically caught it with my butt on the ground so I guess I need to get my pulls stronger

>>35599813
girl or boy?

>>35599889
if i was a girl my total would take me a lot farther

>>35599999
n i n e b o y s
s a d w o l f

>>35599999
holy shit

>>35599999
THOSE DIGITS
HNNNGGGGGG

Ostarine to help cure tendonitis? Does it work?

Just curious as to how frequently owg squats, and what variations you use (front, back, high, low etc.)

>>35600465
Front once a week and back once a week

When work settles down I will go back to back x2 and frontx1 on none consecutive days

Worth pointing out I am a late starter to oly, with history of tendonitis. My limiting factor is certainly my technique/positional strength in the classics so this is prioritised in my programminh

>>35597774

Say whattt, they're goat breh

>>35600465
i squat 3xweek front squat because my clean catch is weak as shit and my front is much much lower than my back squat.
for i just do a triple rpe 8/8.5 on the 4th day of training if i feellike too

>>35575886
when i drive the jerk should i hyperextend my hips like in a clean/snatch pull?

>>35590335
Have fun getting that bar with weights from the ground of that pool

>>35600796
They're not really a staple of any oly routine this, they are way more gymnastics thing

>>35575886
clean and jerk formcheck?
the jerk was absolutely hideous, they dont look this bad usually, i just really want to know about the clean.

https://youtu.be/5tLekpPw1vM

pls be nice

>>35600958
Rigert cleaned 200kg from the bottom of the pool is no problem breh

>>35600465
Three times weekly, frontv and back mostly overhead and pause variations sometimes

>>35600465
Every session (6 times a week right now) which is what every athlete who doesn't have some crazy powerlifting background or who isn't elite. should be doing.

Also why even bring up low bar? Lol

>>35595567
>Thoughts?
widen your grip. also why are you paused for so long. You look like a stuffed animal sitting in the hole for half a min ute

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>>35599999
Checked

>>35601029

But they're kinda like chinese planks.

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whats the difference between these two planks? Is one better for abs and the other better for lower back? Why not do the facing down one as a normal plank with weight?

>>35593975
Switch drug testing and training methods

I feel like I made some strides in technique recently, catching lower and quicker etc however it's made my 80% more inconsistant and I miss a few lifts. I think it's cos I was used to muscling weight into place and now I'm trying to do it properly if all needs to click again

Does that make sense? Tldr I need to get used to being quicker etc

>>35603192
first pic is for posterior chain - hamstrings, glutes, and lower back. second pic is for anterior chain - quads, hips, and abs.

>>35603682

Which do weighted reg planks relate to more?

>>35603682

How do you program them?

>>35603793
Obviously the ones that look like reg planks

>>35603808
End of every session, do some planks

Ffs is everyone retarded or is this one guy?

>>35601072
clean looked good. you can clean a lot more than that judging on where you caught that in your squat

during the jerk you need to put your head through so the weight is supported by your back musculature. youre holding it too far forward. you could also go way lower in your split

>>35603651
whenever you change something your going to have to readjust so yes but if your missing 80% of your lifts i suggest you lower the weight and work on techinque

>>35600465
3-4 times a week. Ideally 2x back squat and 2x front squat but sometimes I can't fit more than 3 days a week of lifting in, in which case its 2x back squat and 1x front squat.

When I do have time for 4 days a week I usually do pause squats on 2 of those days.

>>35605118
I meant I started to miss 80% of my Max abit more not 80% of the lifts themselves

I re-did all my missed reps today and when I did hit them they felt far better than a few weeks ago (despite not missing back then) so that's OK right? Step backward to jump forward r-right guys?

fuck no hook, no feet variation
that's all

>>35605523
i fucking love it

it's helping me fix jumping back a foot back and i dont have manlet hands so grip isnt really a problem

>>35599813

Nice lift. Nice laugh, too. She sounds really pretty.

I'm so lonely.

>>35605523
no feet vars are pretty fun and chill

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A friend of mine wanna start training olympic lifting with me, thing is, he can't start right now, and asked if there is any routine for him to get used to it without it, what could i tell him to do? Some bodyweight exercises and stretching?

Also does anybody got that pic of stretches for a good squat?

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>go to comp
>kind of high
>friend dares me to use some radical new technique in the snatch
>go for it to fuck with people
>have them put my first snatch attemlt at babyweight
>its time to snatch
>my turn
>i go up to the bar
>squat down like im a bout to set up to snatch
>pull myself under the bar while its on the floor so im laying under it
>floor press it up
>proceed to do a turkish getup holding the bar at arms length
>stand up with it overhead
>laugh and drop it
>mfw the judges pass it as a lift cuz theyrr so impressed

this sport rocks

>>35605949
70s big has a transition for weightlifting

>>35606072
but how much weight?

>>35605949
If he doesn't want to go hard >>35606657 is the way to go.

If he can't because no platform or no bumper plates, he can start working in pulls, power cleans/power snatches, push presses, rack jerks, etc. to get used to power movements, swapping momentum, having the weight overhead.

He can also change one of his squat days to a front squat day, and change all his back squats to high bar if he hasn't yet.

That's what I did before hopping on the 70s Big transition program, at least. Hopefully better lifters in owg can give better advice.

When I squat high bar, my torso folds in as much as when I low bar. What muscle could be too tight as to make this happen?

>>35607068
hips or ankles

>>35607068
What this guy says >>35607119

It's not going to be just one muscle, it's going to be your entire hip musculature, and your ankle mobility as well most likely

Do some stretching as laid out in anons guide to better squatting, look up yoga for weightlifters powerlifters and bodybuilders on YouTube, and do some ankle mobility exercises to increase dorsiflexion.

>>35607068
>>35607119
or he has weak glute/core strength

>>35599190
Needling was the most effective IMO, I only had it done once and it cleared up two days later. Massage will probably take a few more times depending on how bad it is. If you have a goos friend or significant other you could probably get them to do the massage a couple of times a week to break down the trigger point.

Anyone know of a free source for Medvedyev's "A system of multi-year training in weightlifting"?

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Shashs bf is a cuck

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>>35607880
Why do goys you like this half breed again?

>>35590713
>ontario

Where do you lift m80? I'm looking for gym

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dont train for power lifting, yet i currently can beat the australian power lifting records for bench and dead lift, are they any benefits for actually beating the records do i get anything for it?

>>35608185
london, hybrid.
what city you in?

>>35608231
What weight class and age class?

>>35607359
>I only had it done once and it cleared up two days later.
Damn how long ago was this? I was thinking I'd have to do it weekly at least.

No gf or money for a masseuse. The pain started about a month ago, and a few days ago got to the point any sort of squatting or jumping movement leaves me limping for 10 minutes. My progress has been terrible because of it. I'd really like to go back to the gym asap so I'll have to look into self-release.

Thanks, friend.

>>35608389
Australian deadlift records are all higher than his for 66kg senior and above, and 83kg subjunior and above, all the senior squat records are higher than his, 66kg subjunior and above all beat his squat, I'm beginning to think anon might have made up the part about beating records

>>35608389

He'd have to be junior in one of the lightest couple of weight classes. They're the only ones where a 180 squat and a 160 bench would both be records.

>>35608260
ahh I'm way north of London. Closest gym to me according to OWA is in oro medonte. Ever heard of it?

>>35608974
nope, but damn all the way by barie, gl finding somewhere :/

>>35609036
Yeah, I moved recently. I was never at an oly gym but the place I was at had bumper plates so I self taught. I think I did an ok job, but I would like to get into the actual sport.

If I ever go to a competition in Ontario I'll post here to see if you're going.

>>35605523
My no feet lifts are equal to my feet lifts what do?

Thoughts?
https://youtu.be/dRcCIzso8-8

>>35600958

Or they could take the weights off the bar first you fucking daft cunt.

>>35609445
awful

>moving your neck around under that load
>coming back up was shit form

>>35609871
True...

Maxing out tomorrow senpaitachi. How do you prepare for a max out day?

>>35610137
Rest well that night, eat a solid breakfast and head straight to the gym

>>35610137
visualise getting the lift

>>35610137
eat a kebab

For a general upper body excercise I'm considering doing pushups instead of bench since I'm a weakcunt and training for max reps, it'll save me time at the gym since I can do them at home too.

I'll of course want to do a horizontal pull in the gym for balance. My friend reccomends Pendlay rows and they look fun as fuck.

But I'm wondering, are Pendlay style rows superior to cable rows, T bar rows or whatever in any way (particularly for oly lifting)? Can anyone provide an explanation as to why? Is it just because they're explosive?

>>35609445
dude wtf why

could you not get the weight up so you waiting 30 seconds to rest

come on

angle is shit for me to analyse, dunno what to say. stance seems on the wide side.

>>35609871
is the bar on his head? why does it matter if he moves his neck around?

>>35609445
why the fuck are you doing such a long pause faggit? are you lotus?
looks decent, high bar squats are pretty much just a squat down and get up with the weight on your heels, no big deal

>>35609249
Ive hit the qualifications for all except on seniors so, yeah ill be at most probably

>>35612177
>>35612527
I think he was partaking in a pause squat challenge for 315/355 front/back for time. lotus...literally who?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoPpCid5O6E

Is liao supporting this with his arms at all? How does it not sink into his throat or clavicle?

>>35613396
its on his clavicle

>>35613333
a nigger that used to trip on plg, i think it's him.
he's strong tho, he was deadlifting around 6pl8s iirc

>>35614043
I'm confused. Is the clavicle supposed to hold the bar up? I thought it was the shoulders. There are like 3 or 4 different ways I'm told is the right way to rack the bar.

How do skinny teen girls hold those weights up? I feel like I'm getting choked with 90kg and get light headed very quickly.

>>35614556
Either way works.
I use clavicles because its easier

>>35612160
Pendlay rows are comfy, I like them

>>35614556
I find it sits really nicely on top of my anterior delt

>>35616116
Underage. Reported.

>>35598013
External rotation results in a more unstable position.

>>35600465
I go to the gym e times a week and squat three times a week. I do front back and overhead. Also lads should I snatch pull and overhead squat on the same day or on different days?

>>35616156
>>35616116
i'm 18 mate, lost 1 year so i still have 2 years of high school

>>35616519
tell her its ur fave sport and she's a cunt and get kicked outta school

do it for us

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Hey OWG masters of the highbar squat, i dont oly lift but i cant stand lowbar so ive been practising my highbar form.

Here's a PR i got today beltless, 175kg.

I can tell my bottom position isnt as tight as it should be, is there anything else i should work on? Thanks.

Yes i know im fat you dont have to tell me. 129kg 185cm tall.

>>35616549
And like the dumbass i am ofcourse i forgot the fucking link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rko2rv5i1cvjzmk/Fatass1.mp4?dl=0

>>35616566
I only watched it once but it looked okay
didnt catch depth but i think it was fine

and yeah, a bit more control going down would be better I think.

>>35616549
pretty nice big guy. can you squat deeper than that?

>>35616784
I probably could, but im afraid my lowerback will tuck under me

>>35616806
i'd try, deeper squats feels way better imho, if you dont have excessive butt wink obv

>>35616838
Alright, ill try 140 or some shit tomorrow much deeper, and i will post on here. Stay tuned i guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwPpCAI6U6U

let the fapping commence

>>35618463

lu xiaojun and tian tao are totally gay for each other.

love it

>>35618463
i like how you can see in lu's warm up fsquat he focuses on bringing the elbows up as high as he can while going down to maintain position, gonna start doing that

>>35618529

I like how you can see how thick and sexy Tian Tao is. Just look at that fuckin back no h-homo

flawless

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hnnnnnnnnnng

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTUxs5bwot0

16 mins berestov and lapikov gets kicked out by suhqurity

these people are so rude, last two worlds where it was held in a country with decent lifters they've let them train

there's a shit ton of free platforms as well i dont see why they can't just leave them alone, even pyrros dimas couldnt do shit

>>35614571
isn't that painful or do you just bruise it until it gets to the point where it stops hurting and you can rack hold 250+kg no problem?

>>35619630
If you actually have muscles it won't hurt

It doesn't sit on your clavicles it's on ant delts

>>35619877
>I thought it was supposed to sit on your shoulders
>nah man, I put in on my clavicles
>doesn't that hurt?
>nah man, it's actually on my shoulders

>>35619948
Ur a fucking retard if you think one person is talking to you the whole time

Not gonna bother responding anymore

>>35619877
greg everett said to rest the bar behind the peak of the deltoids and keep my shoulders raised and pushed forward so they're away from the clavicle but don mccauley said to rest the bar on my clavicles. then i think i've read a few other american figures say to keep the bar on the largest part of anterior deltoid mass, with shoulders pulled back slightly

is there a guide for the two lifts by a chinese/russian/kazakh coach or lifter? i figure if i'm going to read so many differing opinions i should at least listen to the opinions of the people most successful in the sport

>>35620205
>chinese/russian/kazakh coach

no they dont exist at all, no one actually seen those because they not in the op

I cant read btw

dang family what happened to this thread

>>35622939
It's been like this all year ;_;

at what point do you become good enough to trip

>>35624239
When you set a wr

>>35624239
40kg snatch/60 c&j

>>35624779
give me a few months

>>35624833
>few months
an average person would require approximately 10 years in training to achieve those numbers. dont kid yourself kiddo

>>35622939
>>35622953
its always been this slow on average, its just the nature of the topic.

>>35625264
I thought he meant that really obstreperous shit poster who gets on when school kicks out each day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfp4O4y6Sbw
how do I achieve this mode lads

>>35625592
Lots of roids and peptides

>>35625653
>peptides
which one

I tried prolactin but it only gave me gyno

>>35625657
Lol

Hey guys, I showed you guys my 175 highbar beltless pr yesterday for some form critique, I was told to go lower. So here is my 160kg squat trying to go lower.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r841ooiavkj7h6h/160%20new%20form.mp4?dl=0

I know I'm fat and I'm working on it.

Did Zhassulan's failed test get him kicked off team Astana? Cause I've been seeing his videos doing crossfit now.

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>>35625973
Looked a bit high desu. Do you wear oly shoes?

>>35626195
His hams touched calves, he's not gonna sit that much deeper imo

>>35626142
Wouldn't be surprised... Maybe suspended pending b sample but desu he's pretty fucked cos its a second time... Pity

>>35626213
I would not be surprised if he just had bad mobility, and those dont look like oly shoes

>>35625973
it was low enough but why use the bounce its not like you went atg

>>35626243
What now?

>>35626238
They look like invo8 shoes which have a heel but slightly shallower than typical.oly shoes

Looking at it again I think ankle mobility is the way he'd get more depth as he's sitting until calves an hams touch.

>>35626275
They are innov8 yea, im not lacking ankle mobiltiy, i just dont feel the need to push my knees forward more than that. I have to force it if i try and it feels unnatural

>>35626262
yes

>>35626286
Well if it feels unnatural that implies you are lacking it...

>>35626440
Would sitting in a toe squat position help with ankle mobility? I get slight buttwink at the bottom position of the squat.

>>35626466
no

stretching calfs will

>>35626466
Best ankle stretch I've found is sitting in a squat with loaded barbell across the knees, really push knees forward but keep heels on the floor. Can also do it with a kb or a plate

Just warming up with ankle circles helps alot too

>>35626545
I don't know how to push my knees forward without my heels leaving the floor. Does stance width or feet angle matter?

First proper try of jerks today and accelerated the bad right into my chin. Kill me.

>>35627416
Happens m8.

Focus on sitting back in your dip and then pushing your hips forward squeezing your glutes in the drive. You'll hyperextend your hips and your head should move out of the way.

Also head back. Do presses and push presses to just practice the bar path and body movememt

>>35627460
>You'll hyperextend your hips and your head should move out of the way.

best way to not jerk properly and not use your legs lmao

why do you think this is not a good idea when cleaning or snatching? but somehow it's ok for the jerks