/fraud/™ Steroids Generally

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old bread >>35537631

>roids
Enjoy your osteoporosis, LOL

>>35544573
steroids are for manlet faggots

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>>35544580
>>35544581

hey look they both showed up on time today

>>35544596
I'm proud of them, putting in the hard work to shitpost

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>>35544620

the real mvps

can anyone tell me where this "tren works amazing with carbs" meme came from?

>tfw overate and had 4000 calories, mostly carbs
>am carb sensitive and bloat easily

Injected 500mg of tren extra just now, kek.

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>>35544644

its main use is increasing nutrient partitioning but it's not fucking magic

What do you guys think about running 200mg of test c for an extended period of time to boost confidence and energy?

>>35544748
200 is a pretty reasonable cruise dose.

I don't know if I'd recommend strictly for "confidence" gains, though.

>>35544799
Thanks for the imput. Do you mean that it wouldn't be worth it or that it wouldn't give confidence?

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>>35544812
No I mean that you should work on mental stuff if you just want a confidence boost.

I wouldn't recommend roids, unless you're in it for the gains.

What do you guys think is the minimum dose of mast e I should run going into contest prep?
Im on 250 test/750 tren and thinking 400-600 mast?

Never really fucked with mast before

>>35544748
you won't notice anything. im on 250mg right now and there is honestly no difference in my confidence and energy compared to when i was natty

>>35544748
>shutting down your natty test with an amount comparable to natty levels

Yeah that plan is fool proof.

>>35544865
400-500 is good breh.

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>>35544901
>shutting down your natty test with an amount comparable to natty levels

uhhhhhh

at a minimum that hits the ceiling of even the most generous reference ranges

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>get given PEG-MGF
>reading about dosages
>nobody knows shit

I've read as many places saying "take it after a workout" as places saying "take on non-training days only!".

Where are the most reputable places to find the answers?

I feel like going full autism by walking into the next training meeting of the local sports club and just flat out asking their coaches.

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>>35544893
That's pretty true. It'd be mild, maybe unnoticeable.

Unless you're low t.

>>35544973
ask brick

>>35544573
What are those red circles in the syringe?

>>35545001
Gainz

>>35545006
Is that really blood? Can someone explain?

>>35545011
>>35545001
yes, it's blood

would have come in when the syringe was injected, blood in the needles bad so you pull it out and inject somewhere else

>>35545011

When you pin, you aspirate a little to see if you hit a vein. So yeah thats blood

>>35545021
>>35545032
thanks

>>35545063
just for a bit more detail, if you inject when you've had blood come up you're injecting into a vein (or maybe even an artery) and then you're in deep shit
so that's why it's an issue

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>>35544973
>>35544994

first you'd be better off getting non-pegylated mgf buuuuut

2-4mg/wk split into 2-3 days, although polyethylene glycol polymers fuck everything up since it's comparatively heavy as shit and kills the drug to mass ratio considerably

mgf also has a lot more prolonged and systemic effects than most people realize, in addition to the immediate and site-specific ones

YEAH BITCH, SCIENCE!

>>35545070

if you somehow manage to hit an artery you've fucked up on a mind-boggling scale

Watching The Amazing Atheist video on otherkin
I don't really like this guy, but holly fuck otherkin is HILARIOUS

>>35544573
if you aspirate, and there is blood, do you discard the needle and its content or do you just find a new spot, aspirate again, and inject?

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>>35545110

unless it's a seriously significant amount of blood just pin somewhere else

>>35545110
>aspirate
don't aspirate, it is no longer recommended medically

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>>35545115
This. Your own blood, isn't going to cause any major problems if you inject yourself with it.

>>35545116
Source?

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>>35545088
>2-4mg/wk split into 2-3 days

That's a lot isn't it?
Currently I use .1ml (10 units on an insulin syringe) injected sub q

I've done it straight after training but don't like the results, thinking of trying non training days, would it just be a waste of time to inject on non training days?

I'm wanting to inject into specific sites to bring up lagging areas, I've got long enough needles. That works with PEGMGF doesn't it?

A /fraud/ related picture for your time.

>if you somehow manage to hit an artery you've fucked up on a mind-boggling scale

Agreed, I asked a coach what the dumbest thing he ever saw in bodybuilding/training was.

In all his years, it was a guy who tried to inject something into his pituitary with a longass needle, he got about halfway in before he realized how stupid he was.

Stopped pinning tren ace 3 days ago. Today's the first day in 2 weeks I've felt okay. Also fuller.

>>35545126
ugh we had a stupidly long thread about it once
I'll see if I can find source to back myself up
But I didn't believe it either until all the old trips posted a million sources

>>35544893
Yea but I'm like, really beta

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>>35545126
>Source?

I wouldn't say it's no longer recommended, but it's no longer required and has been phased out of a large part of medical training

>>35545129

if you want something to actually happen, no it isn't

also read what I said bitchtits, mgf by itself has a decent bioactive half-life and pegylation makes it waaaay longer

since you didn't actually say a dose I have no fucking clue how much you're actually running but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not enough to do shit locally or systemically no matter how you pin

What's a good resource to redpill me on roids so I don't have to ask a bunch of stupid questions in this thread?

>>35545159
>>35545174
Sounds good to me. I'm not flexible enough to aspirate when doing delts or quads.

>>35545184
Wiki on r/steroids

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>>35545184

holy shit somebody that isn't fucking retarded

r/steroids/wiki or google fraud pastebin

gdi I really fucking need to update that shit

>>35545174
I said a dose.
I dose .1ml on training days, sub q

Your dosage there sounds way higher than what I do currently.

>>35545190
Best I got off a quick search was a journal talking about whether or not it helps
But basically was inconclusive other than saying it has become more and more common that it isn't recommended

Either way I don't aspirate and have never once filled my veins with oil
It's pretty hard to do since you can FEEL when it's in the wrong spot

>>35545219
That's a volume. We have no idea what a .1 ml dose is? Is that 100mg or 100mcg? You're a fucking dingus.

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>>35545219

volumetric measurement ! = dose

volumetric measurement * (volume of diluent + weight of drug) = dose

jackass

>>35545240
I aspirate because dat muscle suction feels oddly satisfying

>>35545261
Haven't seen you post in a minute. Still like trashy women?

>>35545244
>>35545254

I learned this stuff in school, so I assumed you guys already knew.

If you're going to passive aggressive and unhelpful about it, I'll happily bugger off somewhere else.

>>35545261
Weird mang

I hate that feeling

>>35545266
They'll always have a place in my heart, but the girl I'm with now is way too good for me, so I'm going to lock it down before I get too old. How ya been?

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>>35545261
I could see that. It's a sensation like no other.

I don't know if that means it's good though.

>>35545271
You assumed we knew what concentration peg Mgf you bought?

>>35545190
How do you aspirate so that flexibility comes into play?

Do you use both hands?

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>>35545278
Crazy lately. Trying to get #big for a comp in April. Just broke up with the girlie too, how's your bit going?

Pic for you tho

6'4
220 depleted

>>35545284
Not flexible to use both hands on glutes.

You'd have to be a double jointed monkey to use both hands pinning delts.

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>>35545266
>Still like trashy women?

you say that like it's a bad thing

>>35545271

hahahahaha, you're a fucking idiot

get the fuck out

>>35545281

shh, don't engage him

we don't know what might trigger than extra chromosome pair or two and send him into a fit of superhumanly strong retard rage

>>35545284

fingers hold the barrel while palm sits on the skin and stabilizes, other controls the opposite end of the barrel and plunger

>>35545300

could do glutes just straight behind the back but that sketches me out

delts I could actually see for anterior head, you can pin them one-handed

>>35545297
Looking good man! Last time I saw you, you were bulking up, and i was trying to catch you. Sorry to hear you and ole girl split. I know how that goes though.

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>>35545326
Yeah I hit 260 about 6 weeks ago and wanted to see what I was playing with before comp.

It was time to break it off. I know we're both happier for it.

Pic @ 260

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Why does everybody hate Jason Blaha?

I don't follow youtube drama or comments at all (and have only watched him for a few months) but it's funny some of the things that are said about him.

>>35545341
>>35545297
Mirin.

What weight do you want to be at for the comp?

>>35545365
Definitely not a depleted 220 with no pump.

I'm gonna aim for a full 225-230. I think it's feasible with low tren mid test high npp high eq and high Adrol.

anyone with experience using ipamorelin?

a weightlifter just got popped for it after breaking the WR, got me intrested

i wanna start taking gh peptides too, i've been b&c for 2 years

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>>35545375
Sounds like a plan. I might work more on your core, but other then that you should do great.

>>35545404
My core lags hard. I never hit it. Legs came in tho.

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>>35545375

with where you're at in >>35545297 I'd say like 210 after drying out and dropping the last bit of fat to hit prime contest state and adding in glycogen rebound, another prime 10-15 on top of that would be pretty fucking good

>>35545386

you've got a whooooole lot of reading to do, boyo

>>35545386
From what I've read it goes very well when stacked with something like CJC1295.

They're greater combined than taken individually.

>>35545425
205 is my goal atm.

I hit 215 yesterday and I felt so fucking skinny. I figure some glycogen loading compounds will help. And carbs.

PSMF a bitch.

>>35545300
>>35545321
I just grab the plunger between two fingers and push off of the syringe with my thumb. Ya'll niggas weird

>>35545425
>picture

interesting, is the problem there only for the duration of taking cjc1295? or does it become a permanent affair?

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>>35545449
I might just have shitty pins, but that sounds like a great way to giggle the needle inside the delt for no raisin.

>>35545425
That and being able to drop 45 lbs in 5 weeks has my coach thinking I could grow into contest with a hard enough androgen like tren or sdrol.

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>>35545444
>>35545475
>PSMF
>45lbs in 5 weeks

fffffuuuuuck that, unless I can get a month's supply of vyvanse off a friend for cheap there's just no fucking way

but tren and sd will make you fucking massive come contest time, especially the glycogen boom from sd

>>35545449

what >>35545473 said

>>35545468

motherfucker, actually read it this time

>>35545425
what's the source on the pic so i can read more?

also is 20 too early to be messing with gh

First day of Dbol! Used 50mg as soon as in the morning, ate breakfast, drank my pre-workout and went to the gym about 2 hours later. I can't really say I felt anything from the Dbol in the gym (i was really hoppefull for dat Dpump). Does it takes a couple days to get the most effects?

>>35545512
>motherfucker, actually read it this time

i'm saying it more in a "conferring with you as a fellow reader" sense, rather than a "read if for me" sense

>>35545512
It's super easy with chewing tobacco. I like chewing a lot more than eating.

>>35545538
>chewing tobacco.
I take back all my mires.

>>35545563
#rude

I actually like quite weekends because I can lift twice and not feel like I'm abandoning other stuff I gotta do

Should probably start getting up early and going to gym, then going at night as well

How much coq10 are you guys runnin?

>>35545665
400mg ubiquinol split am/pm

>>35545674
Thx bro

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>>35545525

datbtrue's forums although I'd take everything on there with a grain of salt after this whole blowup surrounding dat/tom and his peps business

>>35545530

cellular turnover dictates it's a temporary effect limited by the duration of the drug given it isn't changing the fucking genetic coding of the cells

>>35545538

uuuuugghhh jesus fucking christ I fucking hate everything to do with dipping and every gross motherfucker that I can STILL FUCKING HEAR SPITTING INTO A GODDAMN CLEAR WATER BOTTLE THEN LEAVING THAT SHIT AROUND FOR DAYS UNCAPPED

FUCK

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>tfw preworkout has been started giving me anxiety
god I hate my genes

>>35545772
>GODDAMN CLEAR WATER BOTTLE THEN LEAVING THAT SHIT AROUND FOR DAYS UNCAPPED
Shit's awful, had a roommate who did it for a bit. I came real close to drinking from one of those things a couple times.

>>35545792
Post pre workout

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>>35545810

imagine working around people like that every fucking day for 6 years, and living in extremely close quarters with them for 2 of that

one cocksmuggler thought it was funny to try and fuck with me about it, didn't think it was funny after I finally snapped and fucking spartan kicked him halfway through a plywood wall

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>>35545792
>tfw cycling Yohimbine for the first time
>calculator says I can manage 5 caps at a time
>work up to 5 caps by swallowing +1 cap a day
>tfw fifth day
>tfw anxiety attack in the middle of a test
>tfw talking to myself about food with the most desperate tone because insulin negates the affects
>tfw sat in five different places in the cafeteria that day to avoid talking to people I knew

not a good time

on the plus side, I lost 10 pounds

>>35544901
>an amount comparable to natty levels
50-100mg/wk gives average natty levels, 200mg is going to put you into the supraphysiologic range

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Just did my first ever glute injection with 1 1/2 inch needles.

Man, fuck injecting there often.

>>35545940
if you do it in the right areas you dont even feel it go in breh

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>>35545957
It was 99% my going "oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck" and related nervous bullshit and 1% feeling the resistance of the muscle.

Like you get that "thicker" feeling on an IM injection when you hit it.

Given the size of the needle I used (21 gauge) and all my nerves before hand I lost a tiny bit of fluid from the vial as well. People defusing bombs probably don't get that nervous.

Now I've done it though, it feels pretty benign.

Bye bye natty card.

>>35545860

2 scoops mr hyde

>>35545981
>21 gauge

What the fuck is wrong with you dude

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>>35545792

200mg caffeine pills are cheaper and give me less anxiety than coffee or all of that powder bullshit. like a lot cheaper. and can be found at any pharmacy

preworkout powders are flame as fuck imo

You nerds are dumb. I am a hygienic dipper.

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>>35546000
The only needles deep enough I could find (at short notice) in this shithole, man.

Now I'm worried about the tiny air bubble in the needle.

>be on trt for 4 months so far
>getting bigger but still same bf%

nooooo i don't want to do cardio

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>>35546001

lifehack: 200mg tab right when your alarm goes off, hit snooze. wake up good2go

then 200mg an hour before your workout. crush shit

>>35546022
Air bubble aint shit breh.
Also you should really try to get some 25g, you will feel a lot better

>>35546049
Pussy.

>>35546049
Olive oil. But man.. do NOT do it. Its just too good.

>>35546059
olive oil is too much of a pain to clean up

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>>35546044
Alright, well at least in future I'll be using smaller needles so it won't be so scary.

I remember when I pulled it out and assembled it, lying on the bed about to put this thing in my ass and I think "this is what people do for gains".

>>35546049
petroleum jelly or vitamin e oil skin valley brand is best i've got other brands lying around but they're not as thick/long lasting as that one

>>35546080
Next time you pull out a $20 just think about what people do for that

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>>35546090
Wisdom.

Anyway, time to go for a drive and hopefully not have a stroke from the air bubble.

Cya.

>>35545792
That's your body telling you to stop fucking with it.

stims for the sake of energy during the gym are lame anyway. They don't help with long term progress. Only good reason would be during a meat.

>>35546069
Lol u right

>>35546116
when are you getting back selling candies

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>>35546116
meet*. lol whatever.

can somebody tell me the difference between steroids and peptides i read about peptides but still dont understand shit. also is a good idea to start with peptides rather than with AAS? the reason being that i have some shoulder problems and heard peptides can help you heal quicker

>>35546157
peptides are magic they make pain go away no matter what kind if you take two of them one time

steroids make you muscle

>>35546157
Wowee.

Peptides are short chains of aminos bonded into particular lengths to mimic or support endogenous hormones the best example would be a GHRP.

Anabolics are fully active hormones intended to replace rather than support endogenous hormones.

In your example you'd want ghrelin memetics or igf.

>>35546172
>>35546176
but peptides will still provide you some sort of gains right? help you recover faster and shit.

i was more thinking about BPC-157 at least thats what i found after googling and reading some articles.
jeez peptides are way complicated that AAS.

>>35546235
Nah.

They'll aid in joint support and faster recovery but used properly you might eek out 6iu of growth. Not enough for bb purposes. Maybe if you ran them on point for a year you'd see 3-5kg from hyperplasia but you'd use them more for tendons, sleep, lypolytic action and fullness.

>>35546257
oh i see now, thanks for elaborating. will read more about peptides before i buy any.

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>>35546116
>stims for the sake of energy during the gym are lame anyway. They don't help with long term progress. Only good reason would be during a meat.

what the fuck are you smoking

of course stims help with long term progress, what the fuck do you think happens when you increase specific effort and time under tension

I mean you say some dumb hippie shit sometimes, but jesus christ

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I'm not low test but
but does a decent dose of test lift your mood? and alleviate depression?

>>35546326

brick, don't engage
Get out of there right now
You are not cleared to engage!
We're gonna let this one go, you need to exfil right the fuck now

>>35546334
The thrill of gains is all i got from it

>>35546334
From last thread
>>35540123

>>35546344
cringe

>>35546373
was depressed
got bloods done
low test high e2
bnc
life is way better

>>35546377
Expand your comment. Use your words
Posting "cringe" is cringe. It really comes across as simple and autistic

>my source is that i am related to an autistic lad and he says one word replies like that all the time

>>35546326
Stimulants are a great way to increase cortisol, fuck your thyorid, adrenals, cause depression, cause impulse control, cause insuline resistance,indigestion, dieng dopamin receptors, killing your motivation and making your penis smaller.

https://youtu.be/LkOma3fchlo?t=2m24s

>>35546326
Oh and they're almost necessary to stay awake with hgh + slin.

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>>35546334
As little as 250 makes me overall feel better.

Apparently thats just how it works, my psychotherapist told me that its pretty normal and that the dangers of roids are overrated lol.

>>35546416
>tfw adrenal glands and dopamine receptors are already fucked

The cortisol part though, how should one combat that?

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>>35546416

[citation needed]

also there's no fucking way I'm watching that, it's physically fucking painful to listen to him ponderously and nasally work his fucking way to something vaguely resembling a point

>>35546518
It seems like a "from people i have talked to and my own experience" type video

But then I only watched 10 secs

>>35546480
1g vit c and 1 liter water with 1tsp pink salt in the morning.

ashwaghanda AM/PM.

>>35546518
>fucking painful to listen to him ponderously and nasally work his fucking way to something vaguely resembling a point
I know lol, but the information is there.

Best tips to reduce bp?

Already drink a ton of water
Low sodium diet
Do cardio 15 mins 6 times a week
Eating grapefruit a couple times a week (hoping that it leads to lower hematocrit)

Anything else?
I have pretty awful blood pressure genetics

>>35546673
You prefer ashywags or rhodiola

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tfw substantially hotter girls start checking you out (pic not directly related)

t-thanks /fraud/

>pls no gyno karma

Did shoulders and chest this morning just because I felt like I hadn't worked either hard enough lately
What should I do tonight?
Maybe legs? I haven't done legs in forever, think it's about that time of month to do a few squats.....
Maybe just some bicep curls instead?

Help me out bro's
I'm in a conundrum because I don't normally lift twice a day!

>>35546711
Glutes

>>35546711
Legs and bis

>>35546711
Do legs
Or do a routine around a new exercise you want to try

>>35546723
>>35546729
>>35546731
I'm seeing a lot of legs talk
God I hate legs

Maybe some squates.... Some curls... Some lunges perhaps
I feel like doing deads, but I don't wanna go throwing my shoulders in to too much at the moment because of all that cracking and clicking

>>35545184
most of the answers you get here are outright insane and dangerous, especially regarding PCT, cycle duration and AI use. I would stay clear of using this board as anything other than comedy, which is its main use. Seriously.

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>>35546682

his voice hurts my fucking soul

also re >>35546427 that's only true given fuckmassive doses of slin and gh, both of which sure as shit aren't healthy to begin with

>>35546694

unless that's hiit you need to do more than just 15mins of cardio

btw low sodium diet isn't 100% for bp control unless you're insanely prone to one specific kind of hypertension and can also lead to hyperkalemia in some circumstances, I'd almost bet dollars to donuts your family history has more to do with dyslipidemia leading to hardening of the arteries

>>35546744

don't be a bitch, do legs

3x5, 4x6, or 5x5 high bar
3x8 front squats
3x8 romanian deadlifts
maybe some barbell hip thrusts too, chicks dig squat booty too

>>35546762

nigger please

go ahead, give it your best shot so I can crush your dreams

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>>35546673
Sweet ill try that.

>>35546694
More cardio. Are you doing hiit? Otherwise 15minutes really is nothing.

>>35546762
I'd check out testosterone nation forums for semi-good advice. However, in general, the "steroid community" or roider faggots tend to be very childish, aloof and not helpful. So be ready to skim through a lot of bullshit before actually getting to solid advice.

>>35546781
Okay so 30 mins of cardio 6 times a week?

Anything I should do regarding the lipids? Also is aromasin nicer than adex on lipids? Trying not to die brehs

Why do i have this insane urge to go on a crusade? I am not even christian baka

Did all the crusaders run tren?

>>35546781
I'll take the bait: give me a definitive answer on using an AI during SERM PCT or not.

"common knowledge" supports dropping the AI during PCT, but people in the TRT world that get to see lab results every day are starting to spread the word about keeping taking an AI during PCT and then slowly tapering off both SERMs and AI.

I'm going to PCT right now and obviously being a bitch because muh estrogen, but not being sure about taking an AI during these weeks is driving me insane.

>>35546781
>don't be a bitch, do legs

Ugh, I hate legs
I'm doing front squats so fuck you
But I'm also doing curls just because I can't go more than 2 days without working arms, how am I gonna be as big as Rich otherwise?

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F A M
A
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>>35546836

5x5 ass to the grass heavy squats for dat volume
hammie curls
quad extensions
calves
leg raises to failure

source: meh monster truck wheels breh

no need for lolleg press if you do rippetoe squats

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btw legs for reference since I have never posted them before
Fucking 25 inch thighs, you realize how ridiculous that looks on a guy who's chin barely clears regular door handles???

>>35546856
ehhhh you're talking like a full workout there
I'm only talking a few exercises kek

>>35546695
I've only tried ashwaghanda. Lowers stress/anxiety and improves sleep, too. Doesn't make you tired during the day.

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>>35546877
and my glorious tan line above the knee

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>>35546796

lol

do you actually read the shit you type or have you never seen anything I've ever posted

>>35546802

30-45

I remember seeing one study that asin has no negative effects on lipids and possibly a net benefit, but it's been a while

adex might have a slight negative effect but I honestly don't like non-suicidal ai so haven't seen too much except as collateral while looking up asin

biggest shit is keeping e2 in decent range if you're super worried about lipids and bp, keep on top of your shit and get bloods at least 4 times a year if you're going to make aas a habit

>>35546827

aromasin has been shown to increase lh and fsh in otherwise normal healthy males, whether or not this also applies to secondary hypogonadal men when also combined with gen 1 (clomifene, tamoxifen) or gen 2 (raloxifene, toremifene) serms is a bit more iffy

it makes a certain amount of sense to taper off the dosage of ai while easing into pct given you're still going to have supraphysiological doses of exogenous hormones being attacked by upregulated amounts of aromatase enzymes, and it takes time for that shit to level out and downregulate back to something resembling normalcy

assuming we're talking about enanthate esters and you stop dosing for two weeks then start pct, continue ai dosage the first week off then half it the next week, if possible half it after that during the start of pct, if you can manage to keep such a low dose while maintaining a proper dosage frequency to avoid hormone fluctuations I'd keep it through pct

play it by ear and pay attention to your body, if you're still getting high e2 sides then up the dosage, too low then back off, also be wary like I said of dosage frequency and drug half-life 'cause rollercoaster hormones suck massive donkey dick

YAY WORD VOMIT

>>35546856

quad extensions are the devil, fuck those things forever

shearing forces through the knee are no bueno

also

>lol calves

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>>35546877

full cleans or snatches are always fun to do and build solid traps

haven't isolated traps since god knows when and they're thicksolidtight bc of 275lb clean

>>35546917
Brick please stop logicing and sciencing and stuff
It makes the anons uncomfortable

>>35546924
Not a bad idea
Rarely work traps and you can tell
Although that might be because I've been scared to hit shoulders as hard because of all the crap they're doing.

Might have to just accept that I gotta take everything at half speed whilst on accutane to avoid unnecessary injury

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>>35546947

learn how to do oly lift variations with light weights to perfect your form
add weight slowly
????
traps (and not the kind that pop up on Tinder)

i'm out tho goodnight broz

ran out of babes so i'm posting weird art i appreciate

>>35546970
Yeah traps.... I do traps at the same time as shoulders usually
Is that weird or something?

>>35546947
How much accutane are you taking and why is that related to injuries?

>>35546986
20mg daily
Accutane dries your joints
Dry joints leads to injury

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>>35546947

kroc row is love, kroc row is life

deads, chins, seated or t-bar rows, and krocs are what I do and I've got some pretty decent traps

>shoulders

lu raises, look that shit up

figured out why my shoulders were giving me shitfits, supraspinatus is too weak which makes sense as I've been neglecting lat raises a bit

>>35546994
Ahh okay. Running the same dose actually.

Some how my joints never really dry out. Wins, letro, accutane nothing really affects my joints

>>35546999
>Lu Raises
oh, so kind of lat raises but different angles?

>>35547005
Lucky bastard
My knees, ankles, elbows and shoulders to some extent are all fucked up thanks to service, so on this stuff I'm drier than an 80 year old nuns cunt.
My knees are currently cracking nearly every time I bend over lel

How do I make sure my steroid dealer isn't poisoning me? I saw that you can use a labmax to detect the presence of steroids, how do I detect the absence of poisons? Is there a way?

If so what's stopping the sellers from sending people poison so they die & cant leave any bad reviews?

>>35546917

> I remember seeing one study that asin has no negative effects on lipids and possibly a net benefit, but it's been a while

Literally takes 2 seconds to see how much of an idiot you are by searching google...

The final side effect of Aromasin will revolve around cholesterol. Aromasin, like all AI’s has the ability to negatively skew cholesterol levels. Alone it doesn’t appear to carry this ability at a significant level, but when combined with an aromatizing steroid data shows that it may in fact become significant.

>>35547029
Why would someone banking on you returning for product poison you?

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>>35547026
Damn that sounds terrible :s

That + my ability to run high tren doses without much sides is my only gift from mother nature kek

>>35547029
wtf??

Buy from a vendor with good rep or buy pharma, and throw out the tinfoil hat

>>35547046
For the same reason steroid sellers "exit scam"? So they can keep the money & the product?

Only if they poison you, no one will ever find out they're "exit scamming" & they can keep scamming for longer before they get outted.

>>35547042
Hold up
Have you seen what steroids do to the cholesterol levels of healthy males younger than 40?
It's sweet fuck all
So you're suggesting, by adding Aromasin, which by your own words, does sweet fuck all. To Steroids, which do sweet fuck all.
You will somehow end up with a mega bad Cholesterol level?

Or something?

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sup, bros.. anybody know if FL's asin g2g?

finally back into the gym and hopping back on the juice after 4 months of essentially just working 50-60 hrs a week (sous chef at a new fine dining spot), and then the past two months drinking basically every night and becoming a depressed, skinny faggot.

basically all gains lost, weak as fuck, but hey. feels good to be back, will be posting here again.

does FL still post? did JM die of aids after fucking black whore after black whore? what is CF doing? pls respond

>>35547058
>Buy from a vendor with good rep or buy pharma, and throw out the tinfoil hat
Lots of sellers sell pharma with good rep, but then turn to an "exit scam" or "selective scam", then just switch the company name & start over again.

Aggrivated my elbow somehow and it hurts to flex my tricep, gents, let alone put it under big tension. How do I rehab this shit without eating away my gains?

>>35546917
noice. so keep taking the AI but in as a small as possible dosage? I only have anastrazole on hand, not aromasin.

Cycle was 250mg test-e each 6 days, taking anastrazole 0.25mg EOD. I ended the cycle feeling a bit weird, the best was from week 3 through 7th.

I waited 2 weeks after my last pin to start PCT. During those two weeks, I kept taking anastrazole @ .025 EOD. Now I'm on tamoxifen 20mg ED, finishing my first week. I have one week to go in standard PCT protocol, but I think I'll keep the SERM for a couple more weeks, tapering off as gradually as possible. What do you think about that?

so far I haven´t lost any gains, but my life has been boring these past few weeks, as was to be expected.

>>35547065
Bro, he wrote that asin does not affect cholesterol. It says on the mofuckin package that it does, see http://www.pfizer.ca/sites/g/files/g10017036/f/201410/AROMASIN_PI_E_169700_24.pdf

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despite being balding i'd say JM is better looking than MT

>>35547058
Yeah it isn't fun

Which is why I've been talking about peptides and HGH so much lately
Wanting to try it out when I've got the extra money to put towards it
Should help with all the joint issues

>>35547065
Makes somewhat sense.

As with a lot of things hormones 1+1 =/=2.

Think of all the synergy these compounds have.

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What compounds do I need to run to achieve my goal body? pic related. Also how can I get the facial twitch that he has? Will taking preworkout get me an aesthetic face twitch?

>>35547086
I'm just not going to get involved further because I wasn't following the conversation close enough
But maybe he didn't mean literally (although it's stupid to speak figuratively over text only because text is literal)

Anyway, maybe he'll have a good rebuttal. Maybe you caught him out on something.

>>35547100
ehhhhh I'm not willing to just accept that straight up without evidence, but you DO have a point to some degree.

I'm willing to go either side of the fence on this one. Depending on the evidence people give

>>35547095
You are already taking loads of fish oil pills i assume?

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this is what happens when I start talking sense

fuck

>>35547026

yerp

the way xiaojun does them forces you to focus on the lateral delt and as a consequence the supraspinatus while not allowing the rear delts to cheat you

>>35547042

literally takes 2 seconds to google "exemestane dyslipidemia" and return three of the top 5 results saying basically the exact same thing

>Exemestane was associated with less osteoporosis and dyslipidemia, whereas patients treated with anastrozole had a lower incidence of liver-enzyme elevation, acne, and androgenic changes.

even using studies based on postmenopausal breast cancer patients who are fucking CRATERING e2

>Overall, exemestane has no detrimental effect on cholesterol levels and the atherogenic indices, which are well-known risk factors for coronary artery disease. In addition, it has a beneficial effect on TRG levels.

get fucked, get fucked, get rickety-rickety-WRECKED

>>35547086

and that states it's a possible side effect in target audiences of postmenopausal women undergoing breast cancer treatment, AND EVEN THEN IT'S 1:10 TO 1:100

god damn

>>35547080

at this point I wouldn't worry about it, you can half the dose of tamoxifen and extend it for another 2 weeks if you really want to

>>35547100

this is the best answer you're ever likely to get in your lifetime, you're either comfortable talking in probabilities and not certainties or you don't use gear

>>35547095

or! MAYBE.. just MAYBE..

stop doing steroids and let your jointsheal/acne clear up? damn, you are a dumb nigger

>>35547124
>exemestane has no detrimental effect on cholesterol levels
Ok, well it says on the package it does affect cholesterol. Also the source I posted says the negative effect is from combining aromatizing steroids with an AI, which is applicable to us as steroid users, unlike your link.

>>35547122
3000mg a day
Hasn't helped all that much honestly

>>35547124
> forces you to focus on the lateral delt
Fair enough
I like that, might be what I needed

>>35547139
Implying running incredibly low doses of test and tren has had any bearing on my joints after they were destroyed for 4 years or the acne that I've already had cleared by accutane once in highschool
Do you even know me bruh?

>>35547124

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15155420
> Self administration of several AASs simultaneously for eight or 14 weeks produces comparable profound unfavourable effects on lipids and lipoproteins, leading to an increased atherogenic lipid profile
> In study 1 AAS administration led to decreases in serum concentrations of HDL-C (from 1.08 (0.30) to 0.43 (0.22) mmol/l), HDL2-C (from 0.21 (0.18) to 0.05 (0.03) mmol/l), HDL3-C (from 0.87 (0.24) to 0.40 (0.20) mmol/l, and Apo-A1 (from 1.41 (0.27) to 0.71 (0.34) g/l), whereas Apo-B increased from 0.96 (0.13) to 1.32 (0.28) g/l.

The drugs affect your cholesterol. Sorry bud.

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>>35547167

call me when you find an actual legitimate study conducted by someone with more investigative prowess than a fucking potato and done in controlled conditions with a sample size larger than fucking 19

holy fuck I feel embarrassed for you

>>35547208
You linked to a study that shows it didn't affect cholesterol when used for its intended purpose (breast cancer). I linked to a study that re-affirms what your study says, but adds information that combining it with a steroid amplifies the effect that the steroid has on cholesterol.

You're welcome.

>>35547208
And I'll even explain it for you in terms you can understand. Higher T raises cholesterol, the body aromatizes it to estrogen which offsets the negative effects on your cholesterol. When you combine an AI with a steroid, you lower your estrogen relative your high T, which results in a negative effect on your cholesterol.

Google "aromasin steroid cholesterol".... 9 links saying it hurts cholesterol, 1 link you found which isn't about steroids, its about women with breast cancer.

Anyways it says its on the package, so you should advise people to get blood tested "in case"... not advising them that they'll be fine.

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>>35547280

did that, found precisely zero studies supporting a fucking thing you're saying

where the fuck did you pull the "e2 in proportionate ratios offsets negative effects of supraphysiological test levels on cholesterol" bullshit out of, your ass?

I haven't seen a single fucking legitimate study done that can support the assertion that estradiol controlled in reference range in conjunction with exogenous supraphysiological testosterone is somehow fucking worse for your lipids than hyperestrogenism

e2 in the goldilocks reference range makes for happy lipids, e2 too high or too low fucks that up

and anyways it says on the package you're a fucking idiot and don't understand what a boilerplate drug warning is

you're reaching so, so fucking badly and still failing miserably

I think I'm going to go find something to drink so I can fall asleep without hearing echoes of your stupid shit giving me fucking fits

god damn ppl arguin some science in here

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>>35547462

too much science, not enough ass

>>35547462
ikr im just sitting here picking my nose trying to learn science stuff

>>35547471
>>35547477
im just sittin here w a chew in. playin some cod shopping for new sauces since my pharma connect is kill :(
the kids these days using bitcoins. tried and my bank got all confused n shit its turning into a pain in the dick

Didn't SwimmerBrah ask why we weren't talking about steroids in the last thread????

THIS IS FUCKING WHY YOU TWAT

It's just Anons posting random 4 sentences telling brick he's wrong and brick spewing endless science and demanding legitimate studies for evidence.

I have absolutely no interest in reading this in the middle of the night while trying to decide if I should fap or go to sleep

>>35547588
stick an action figure in your ass

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The way you steroid people talk is so cool! /srs.

>>35547588
Fap, feel disgusted in yourself for fapping, then go to sleep

>>35547606
You seen that xray of the dude who got a Buzz Lightyear stuck up his ass because the wings popped out?

>>35547615
kek not sure I wanna feel disgusted in myself

>>35547625
>You seen that xray of the dude who got a Buzz Lightyear stuck up his ass because the wings popped out?
no, but that's hilarious

>>35547680
It occasionally makes the rounds on social media along with a range of other interesting things people get stuck inside them

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>>35547208
brick pls go.

>>35547609
we're the cool kids of /fit/

>>35547609
>The way you steroid people talk is so cool!

Are you READING these walls of text?
Seriously, this isn't cool. This is just plain painful.
Although more interesting than "what shud mah first cucle be?"
I'd prefer tl;dr versions so I could fap more peacefully

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>>35545878
Sound like a normal day at the FOB

Was suffering really itchy acne because the accutane has dried the skin out and it's started healing
So loads of little scabs on my chest etc
That combined with fucking hairs has caused my skin to constantly be going nuts
Found that I was scratching my chest viscously in my sleep and tearing the worst sores open in my sleep then bleeding all over my sheets and pillows

Found the solution.
Mother fucking anti-histamines
It's widely accepted that histamines are what cause the itchiness during the healing process because the bodies nerves responsible for itching reacting with the histamines.
So by simply taking a fucking hay fever tablet I've eliminated the itching.
It's been about 4.5 hours since I wanted to scratch

>>35547917
How long has it been since you opened the vials?

Hey Fit.
I am a runner but not professionally or competitively apart from beating my own times, im not amazingly fit but i consider myself to be relatively fit as i am doing 3km track with hills in it in around 13mins on average. Now for the exciting stuff (i think) I really want to try a PED that increases running ability. I know of EPO but is there any other PED that can increase running ability?

I came off my tren blast on 10th December and have been cruising 250mg Test E/week ever since.
How long before I can start blasting prop & tren ED again? I miss them Tren gains.

Hey /fraud! Will be starting my first cycle (500mg test , Dbol kickstat) soon. Any tips you wanna throw at me? Also how retarded would it be to only run ai during the dbol?

>>35548069
depends how serious you wana be really. if you wana blast go blast it up today. a month off is not awful, personally id wait another month let it really get outta your system. then again tren makes me nuts
>>35548079
its fine, use the ai a little more cautious during the dbol. i take .5 adex every 4 days or so. if my libido is weird or im feeling feely i;ll take more often

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>>35547916

cop but yeah, pretty much

dude was just dumb enough to fuck with doc, learned the hard way I don't take shit from anyone much less some fucking twinky little pfc fucknuts I outweighed by almost 80lbs

tune in next time to hear about how a butterbar learned the difference between his rank and my willingness to tko slap him

>>35545772
i have buddies that chew this way, can't stand it.
just gut it and take smaller dips imo, if other people can tell you chew you are doing it wrong.

then again my way is probably the fast track to stomach cancer or some shit

>>35545526
You shouldn't use dbol by itself at all

Does anyone just take test? i'm considering using steroids and I know for the best results you should take orals alongside it, and maybe take other steroids as well as testosterone

but i dont really like the idea of taking orals and stuff, it's probably a mix of not wanting the side effects / not trusting the people making them / not knowing exactly how much im taking if its not dosed accurately

i feel if i only took test i would know exactly what im putting into my body, and i like the idea of consistency

>>35548392
You absolutely should, we need to put a stop to this outdated bro logic

is an oral only cycle optimal? of course not, but not everyone wants to commit to a 12 week cycle

"orals are bad"

"unless you're taking them alongside an injectable in which case it's magically ok"

and no im not then guy doing dbol only

>>35548471
Consistency in what leads to best long term gains. If you're serious about training it'd give great gains. afaik JM uses just test and has one of the better /fraud/ physiques. Mastest as well. Test is the building block of every cycle/blast for a reason

>>35548482
agree. its how i started, i liked it.

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>>35547091
Of course he does. That's why he fucks bitches for free on a dailyy basiss.

pic related, it's him

>>35548589
Youre allready too big for some sluts

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>>35548471
>Does anyone just take test?
I only take test. Did mast before.

Imo you only need test. It's the best mass builder there is. Also one of the safest injectable.

tren is overrated. ppl thinks if you take one shot of tren you will be instant zyzz.

>muhh aesthetics
>muhh nectar of the gods

food + test is what makes you big

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>>35548596
>lifting for girls
come one.

GET BIG

They either take me for my muscles, or don't take me at all. I'am not gonna desperate change my appearance for some girls. I do what i think looks good

fuck everyone, i just want to be big.

nobody decides my faith, but allah

>>35548668
you have the tight mentality imo

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>sometimes a guy just doesn't want to eat his chicken breast/sirloin steak and lentils/veggies/pizza

I'm on 175mg test and 1g of tren a week, 5'8 180lbs, how bad would eating burger king double cheeseburgers affect me on a recomp?

the macros look good enough

Calories430
Protein26g
Carbohydrates33g
22g fat

I can spend 8 quid and get 7 of these babies

>3000 calories
>180g protein
>220g carbs
>150g fat

Which seems relatively balanced.

I am very likely going to remove some of the buns on some of them and then drink some soy + choco peanut butter from ON! so I have a delicious drink to go with it as opposed to water or 0cal orange juice.

That'll push me to around 230-240g protein and 50g less fat at 3000 calories.


>tfw I go to burger king and tell that manlet paki on reception I want 21 chili double cheeseburgers to go

>>35548686

Sorry I meant I'll get 240g protein and 170g carbs at 3000 calories, not fat.

fat will still be at 150g give or take.

where did everyone get there illegal PED's from?

>>35548699
Nice try dea

So this is still a thing.

>>35548699
I sure dont know mr officer

>>35548707
indeed

>>35548712
Hi bb.

>>35548715
Hey :3

Its hot af here :c

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>>35548682
Most girls don't even care about muscle.

It will up your attractiveness with some points, if you got a good looking face.

If you're on the streets you see enough 9/10 qt's with skinny dyel's or skinny fat dudes.

it's so cringy that some kids dedicate their whole apparence/life to get some girls

come on, there is more in life than just that. YES sex feels good as hell, but just be yourself(sounds corny, but it's rarely these days brehs)

>>35548722
It's like 15 degrees Fahrenheit here :,(

>>35548706
I actually want to get some but have had no luck in finding a buyer, the other problem im facing is how do i know what im buying is legit?

>>35548686
mirin that goliath mousepad.

i love that mousepad.

shit food, but rice

>>35548725
Yeah.
Idk.
I like the current "life style"
Its okay.

>>35548727
Seeing a girl tomrrow morning b4 she heads to het bf kek.

We made out like x2 last year.

Just gonna chill and takj shit, which is also nice sometimes.

>>35548728
Post email,,,

>>35548589
Is this Srs jm

>>35548784
Doubt it. I cant see a dent

>>35548784
It not JM

>>35548806
Lol

>>35548818
Why does canary dislike you? I wasn't around when you were here regularly.

I'm just under the impression he left the whatsapp group because of you, mostly.

>>35548892
I am the rustle master.

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>>35548818
>tfw your favourite DYEL is back

>>35548910
Longer hair now tho

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>>35548889
Please please give sauce

>>35548910
i remember when this guy refused to believe he was losing his hair. definitely is in that picture, just at the initial stage where it's barely visible to the untrained eye.

>>35548892
He's basically the JM of the whatsapp group

>>35548892
Canary got jealous that he couldn't land a girl like slut's

>>35548950
Polianna Maibuci iirc

>>35548966
Lmao. Slut hasn't gotten laid in over a year.
Discuss.

>>35548889
looks strangely similiar to the chick im w atm.
tiny brunette kinda trashy tattoos. dated a wife status for 9yrs now to this. mixed feels

>>35548966
we are all mad jelly

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>>35548750
I'am okay with that.

>>35548784
Yes it's JM

Anyone that is denying is just mad jelly because of his beauty

>>35548973
Whaat? He still hasn't put it in?

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>>35548964
Pls.
No u
Not losing hair

>>35548925
Dont ever change bby

>>35548964
I stopped tripping shortly after that pic was posted i think. Are we talking JM kinda hairloss?

>>35548982
Yes I have
Stop this nonsense.

>>35548974
>tiny brunette kinda trashy tattoos
what's better?
[/spoiler]nothing[spoiler]

>>35548982
He's gotten it like half in, but has not fucked to completion. Kek
>>35548992
Come on, it's funny.

>>35549002
putting dick in vagoo =/= fucking
yea

>>35549002
She has an exceptionally tight vagina.
Or dick is too big

>>35549033
Just give up. Give her to jerry.

>>35549033
That's probly it
Dick just too big from bathmate

You guys should rly try bathmates

>>35549033
>She has an exceptionally tight vagina.
so?
shove it in pooper then

>>35549033
Can you get two fingers in or does she complain it hurts

>>35549054
when she's not focusing, 1 finger hurts even when super wet.

It's getting better.
Much better.

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>>35549033
>iktf brah

My gf was like this in the beginning too.

We have been together for a few years now and we still cant have sex more than 2-3 times a week because she rips open every time :/

>>35549068
Is she like 5' 2"

>>35548994
my favs

>>35549088
5'
>>35549082
It's rough man.

>>35549104
Okay we have the same problem and very similar sized GFs

Come back and report in when you find a solution

>>35549093
hanging out with a girl kinda like that tomorrow.
she doesnt have ink tho

>>35549104
Well yeah in the beginning i was mad as fuck, then i started blaming myself and now i just feel stupid. Still bothers me some times.

The captcha was "pick all the pommes frites" and im cutting at 1500 kcal atm.. ;_;

>>35549082
Jesus Christ I would never do that.
>>35549104
On the bright side, you're already prepared for when you get married and don't fuck anyway.
>the sexless life of slut

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>vigana is extremly tight
>elastic as fuck, designed to poop baby's
>dick too big

kek

>>35549131
Tfw no French fries.
She's still super sensitive.
It's hard
>>35549121
Pls find me solution bb.
The problem is relaxing the muscles in her vagina, thus the only works when focusing.

>>35549141
For once I agree with mastest.
These guys are like one step above cucks

>>35549141
Blood and crying don't arouse me

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>>35548901
What's the secret to rustling canary?

clearly off my game lately for obvious reasons

have girl coming over tomorrow who is in a serious relationship but wants to fuck.

do I? I'm morally against it but I'm also like, on a hectic dry spell

>>35549153
Yeah obviously

If she doesn't bang you she'd go bang someone else anyway

>>35549151
Be actually retarded and never give up an argument, never address points and just keep repeating the same retarded thing over and making points that have nothing to do with said argument.
>slut does this daily

>>35549166
>tfw not in whatsapp

>>35549166
>>35549151
Read: rustle master

>>35549136
Never thought i would either.

>>35549145
Just gotta make her relax breh, go down on her n shit. Also, anal.

>>35549153
Depends, do you know the guy? I would def not do it desu

>>35549150
Wtf is wrong with you?

>>35549153
Obvious answer is to start coaching me for real.

Fuck this refund shit.

>>35544573
I know we aren't supposed to talk about sources in these threads but can someone help me out.
skype: Jacobsmith4589
I'm a honest guy hoping some of you are too

>>35549184
Reminds me of her period

I thought slut left because he got doxxed and someone threatened to tell his hobgoblin girlfriend's father that he did the 'rons

I don't even know anymore

>>35549179
Yea it's rough getting her to relax.
Even after having an orgasm from going down on her.
Also tried after not making her cum but getting close.

It's getting better, penor went about halfway in.

>>35549187
Just find the other coach

>>35549193
I was annoyed and left for a while because of that.
But then I came back, and then whatsapp group happened so I just used that.

>>35549192
Wow dude.
Grow a pair.

>>35549150
Up the tren

>>35549167
Whats whatsapp?

>>35549195
Wait, you cant even get it in? Jesus christ

Apart from pin frequency and similar esters is there any great negative to running test e rather than test p with npp?

Test p is going to work out 3x the price and i really only wanna run 250npp for joint issues.

Should i just run deca?

>>35549208
For the first 6 months we dated, a single finger couldn't go in more than a quarter of the way.

>>35549189
Skype? Why?

>>35549208
Skinny girls who are under like 5' 2"

Don't even bother

>>35549210
The ester doesn't matter. Just do test e

>>35549200
I'm aware of dhb, but I like alba fair bit

>>35549235
Thanks breh - Do i need to run caber alongside arimidex on cycle at such a mild dosage?