/owg/ - Olympic Weightlifting General

squat form check please
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV-ZBlZO8OI

>>35079672
Ehab is so fucking excellent

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>>35079622
Post them then.

>>35079682
Mobility

>>35079682
>absolutely_disgusting.tiff

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>>35079731
Just as I thought. This fag couldn't post girls in local comps "hotter than Mattie Rodgers" within a few minutes, because they don't exist. Lying cocksucker.

Mattie remains the absolute best.

not really following wl but tune in for webm's here

is mattie rogers posted all the time due to being really good at wl or mostly because she's pretty?

what do you guys think of morghan king
48kg female wler

>>35080021
shes good, holds US records iirc.
shes also above average for attractiveness

all the autists sperg out about her

>>35080021
Mattie's set several records on the national level.

>>35080021
She's pretty
She has an american record(for reference, no american has cracked top 6th in a weightlifting event, ever) which isnt impressive

>>35080107
Wut.

>>35080185http://www.budgetbytes.com/
I meant world event, obviously

>>35079921
You'll never ever meet mattie you creep

>>35080021
>mostly because she's pretty
Obviously.

If it wasn't just looks, they'd be talking about jenny arthur just as much

>>35080203
Wut. 1984 olympics saw the US getting 2 medals for the men, 2000 saw a Gold and a Bronze for the women. And thats ignoring worlds. It's been a while, but we've certainly won medals.

>>35080203
>>35080234
Those are the most recent Olympic medals - we've have many before those in the olympics along with many world and Pan Am medals.

I need some Sasha Nievas back squatting webms

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>>35080211
Why am I a creep? C/:^:)>

>>35080253
go rub one out on /gif/ and stop ruining the thread

>>35080330
maybe he wants to learn from her excellent form, shtlord

>>35080349
Yeah cuz back squatting is so hard and Sasha is an expert ;^)

>>35080349
don't even bother arguing

every time a female weightlifter is brought up or posted in a pic/webm a shitload of misogynists come out to tell you not to post them

>>35080394
>that creepy yu jie smile

>>35080388
>misogynists
hahahahahaha. it's like i'm actaually on tumblr! 4chan is dead

>>35080388
>misogynists

Do you know what that means or are just using your newfound buzzword

>>35080388
Either dumb female or reddit kek

still need that sasha nievas webm

>>35080536
fuck off faggot

>>35079740

what things in particular?

>>35079748

t-thanks

>>35080425
>>35080468
i'm a fully grown man and i don't go to tumblr or reddit

you guys are exactly the weird neurotic misogynists i'm talking about

>>35080314
she needs to restart her computer to finish installing updates

>>35080583
The guy obviously wants us to post a bunch of #HIGHTEST BRAH girls for whatever fucking reason. How is it misogyny to say we dont want to see that?

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>>35080388
>>35080583
welcome to reddit

hey guys its me

>>35079682
Those plates are fucking huge

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>>35080611
because it impedes no one to post a female weightlifter and several people DO want to see them as evidenced by the requests for them. much like it impedes no one to post a nice looking russian lifter like viktor getts (check out his instagram btw)

the misogynists don't just see the posting of an attractive female lifter as a major offense, they come out to yell cunt/slut/whore at the women posted. this has happened several times before in previous threads and it will happen again because they are neurotic about women

>>35080639
try proving me wrong instead of mumbling reddit

>>35080583
kill yourself you fucking white knight faggot
you too >>35080703

>>35080703
>the misogynists don't just see the posting of an attractive female lifter as a major offense, they come out to yell cunt/slut/whore at the women posted. this has happened several times before in previous threads and it will happen again because they are neurotic about women
nice projection m9

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>>35080425
>>35080458
>>35080468
>>35080639

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>>35080703
>>35080721
If you want to see it so bad, post the webm yourself.

I don't want to see it, so I'm not going to post it.

Btw, if anyone wants to fap, /gif/

If you want to see a squat video, here.

>>35080743
no, sasha had much thicker thighs

>>35080757
Yet she squats less with worse form.

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>>35080743
atenery is such a qt

>>35080787
ok now we're getting somewhere

>>35080723
>>35080727
this is exactly how guys who are weird about women react. you can't even argue. you go straight to the attacks

>>35080743
i never asked to see it that was this guy >>35080253

i'm just defending him from the ridiculous attacks. it's okay if you don't want to see it, just don't come out yelling "NOOOOOO DON'T POST THESE WHORES STOP IT YOU'RE RUINING EVERYTHING"

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>>35080806

>>35080810
thanks, im the guy asking for it

it just really pumps me up before a squat session and i wanna see it :>

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>>35080810
shut the fuck up beta bitch, we get it.

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>>35080830

>>35080821
lol faggot
go on youtube if you want to look at it

>>35080680

thanks for your input. anything about the squats?

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>>35080857
yeah, they're shit
How about you show us what your classics look like

>>35080821
good for you. i don't see how any grown man could complain about it, unless he was a neurotic misogynist, or some fedora trying to present himself as "mature" by complaining about attractive girls posted on 4chan. ridiculous

>>35080830
explain how i'm beta

because i'm not immediately yelling STOP IT when i see a girl weightlifter posted?

okay

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>>35080881
Honestly, I dont care anymore breh.

Last reply from me you're getting.

>>35080870

sn:
https://www.instagram.com/p/8g0Gqerrk5/

clean (no jerk, don't have any recent recordings):
https://www.instagram.com/p/55iHIZLrmN/

what can I fix about the squats? Mobility, I know already

>>35080810
>this is exactly how guys who are weird about women react. you can't even argue. you go straight to the attacks
>st-stop making fun of me
Learn to handle banter better.

>>35080894
terrible extension on the clean. Weird, your snatch looked good. Extension should practically be the same for both.

>>35080892
if you don't care that much then keep quiet from the start

>>35080900
>kill yourself you fucking white knight faggot
>banter

okay

>>35080913

I cleaned up my form a bit over the last couple months, that clean is a few months old now. The extensions are more comparable now that I've realized you have to keep pulling.

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>>35080583
>i'm a fully grown man
Right

>>35080968
you caught me. i'm a girl

>>35080999
>Can only take absolutes out of that implication
I believe it

>>35080965
>>35080913

here, I uploaded a failed clean from last month:
https://www.instagram.com/p/-r86rwLrv3/

>>35081013
Gonna need a better angle, because that clean looks the same

>>35081009
okay i'll write a different response for each possible interpretation of that implication. just give me a few

>>35080881
>when i see a girl weightlifter posted?

you seem to be new, people react to mostly sasha/mattie posting in the same vain as people from /a/ or /v/ hates waifufags, because that's what they are

they add absolutely nothing to the discussion and just spam their shit waifu desu family

>>35080314
Keep doin good work

>>>35080830
>explain how i'm beta

no explanation required, you had to ask.

>>35081221
the first snatch was a pressout

he was lucky, he probably would have bombed if he didnt get awarded the first snatch

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what a qt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBYDdYn787I

>>35081240
no it wasn't

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>>35081150
>they add absolutely nothing to the discussion
what "discussion". the "discussion" where mediocrities with 90kg snatches parrot poorly understood weightlifting dogma under the guise of giving advice? if you want a biomechanical analysis of the jerk, this place is not it. this place is for shitposting, webms, and epic memeing. you must accept that

>>35081250
ok

>>35081246

Shes kinda basic, jumping on the WL band waggon to get views it appears.

>>35081266
lol btfo

>>35081263

I like her a little more now.

>>35081263
show us your ultimate 100kg snatch master phase pls

>>35081292
it would be stupid to argue with someone who doesnt compete desu

>>35081263

what's wrong with a 90kg snatch :(

>>35081263
you can just leave if you dont like it here, you dont have to be all assmad all over the thread

>>35081406
nah, you're just an idiot that can't see the snatch was perfectly legal. stay mad

>>35080314
>>35080589
She also needs to keep her hips square lol. What is stretching effectively?

>>35081423
>perfectly legal

lol you didnt watch the whole comp where people with the slightest wobble got reds, and he didnt

next you'll tell me jon north's jerks are perfectly legal

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>>35081366
i will show you mattie's snatch PR @ 102kg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a15B8RAJgMA

great technique :)

>>35081408
nothing at all. just don't give out advice if you don't have the skills, experience, or theory to back it up

>>35081422
no i love it here. i love the memes and matties. otoh imho tbqh family, reddit's /r/weightlifting explicitly states

>/r/weightlifting is not:
>A place to post memes, blogspam, or things that provide no value
>A place to post sexual content of any sort, including comments on the attractiveness or lack thereof of any lifter.

so everyone who hates mattie has a nice place go to :^)

>>35081548
you're not mattie tho

>>35081660
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>>35081660
i like mattie tho

god I can't wait until these people fucking leave. Go back to r9k or whever the fuck you came from

Shitting up /owg/

>>35081791
we're never leaving
back to reddit normalfag

>>35081822
Go back to planet fitness weak fag

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>>35081855
nope :D i'm here forever. stay salty faggot

>>35081791
>>35081822
>>35081855
>>35081873
you guys should introduce yorselves and your positions. i can't tell what side you're on so i don't know what you're arguing against xD

>>35081791
hey you got any sasha nievas webms?

>>35082029
how did klokov do in this competition

uh oh,typical beta being passive aggressive and shit posting for 6 hours

>>35082042
He did not compete. He was the one recording with the camera.

can i get a 145kg snatch at 97kg natty?

>>35082258
Yes, easily.

>>35082293
have you done it yourself?

>>35082302
Kyle Harrington is natty and isn't even that great and he does 150.
I think 180 might be tops. It wouldn't surprise me if Flemming norik and that other 94 were natty and they can do 170

>>35082302
No, but I know one person who has and several more approaching that number, below that bodyweight weight. I've only been lifting about a year and a half.

>>35082326
>norik

lmao norik did 180/220 back in armenia probably more but those were in the video

>>35079682
Lol you got rekt in the c&j fail dawg

>>35082382

I know, it was pretty funny. My shoulder collapsed and I was internally rotating so hard that I pulled myself under instead of bail, got caught in two minds whether to go in front or back and instead breakdanced to the side

>>35080571
Hips, ankles

>>35082512

got any good hip stretches? my left hip flexor hurts like a bitch all the time, especially when I squat

>>35082348
And he probably wasn't natty

>>35082744
r u retired? are you born with lack of oxygen

>>35079682
SHAKE
THAT
THING
MISS
ANNABELLA

>>35079682
200 dollar shoes 10 cent lift

>>35082787

hey bud
fuck you

>>35082707
Google yoga for weightlifting, it's on YouTube and reddit

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>>35079672
/plg/ friend here

Any tips on how to practice getting a good front rack?

>>35079682
You have incorporated low bar mechanics into your squat. I.e. forward lean and hip drahve. Nothing really wrong with that latter but you should be more upright. Or otherwise just stick to low bar squatting entirely.

Front squat more so you can work your anterior chain (quadriceps, core).

I would work on ankle mobility (the one where you place a loaded barbell on your knees and lean back - check out CalStrength) and for hip stretches just search some up.

You should focus on an upright back. I know that sounds as it would fell awkward but it's want you want. You may even have to drop the weight.

But the back squat is an assistance exercise that helps build general leg strength but overall strength especially in the back and core.

Aim for an upright back, and either go for a below parallel high bar squat (like Ilya Ilyin) or an ATG one where you practice catching that bounce (look at Clarence Kennedy's videos)

>>35080388
So many annoying people out here. Who lust so hard after women.

Control your lust. As the other Anon said some come here to discuss weightlifting and don't want to be tempted by scantly dressed woman.

Most of the female weightlifters have little self-respects. This is evident in the way they dressed.

I know this doesn't mean a lot. But as one guy said go elsewhere for that kind of stuff. Here we want to discuss it.

I don't hate woman. I hate sexual immorality. Woman are beautiful but women like Mattie Rodgers obviously put great emphasis on showing their body when they workout. It's really hard to appreciate her technique when she reveals so much.

>>35082942
just post the sasha nievas gifs idiot

>>35081240
>>35081250
I have to agree with that Anon. It didn't look like a press out. What makes you think it did though? I intend to compete in the future.

>>35082907
Stretch your upper body you mong. Cue big chest, elbows up and out

Most likely culprits are lats, traps+rhomboid, delts so roll the shit out if them and stretch every day

Wrists maybe, last thread(?) I posted a webm for norselad of wrist mobility exercise

Until you can achieve front rack you can tie two bands or straps to bar, hold these with fingers

>>35082963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYFPCwKR1ww

watch 56:50 then 27:45

his left elbow was soft and the right was a bit too, why did the kazakh get called for a pressout when his lift passed?

watch the bulgarian get 1 red light at around 21:05 for the same thing

At the risk of bringing up a subject that I hate, I really dislike the waifuposting.

Literally every time Mattie gets posted there's some sort of serial killer tier comment about sniffing her armpits immediately after she's posted. Makes me think that the mattieposter is posting her for his own weird fetish.

Anyway it fucking ruins the threads, as evidenced by this one. And it's creepy as fuck lads. I don't even think the pissed off anons are sexist, everyone is just sick of all the shit in these threads lately.

Nothing wrong with posting webms, but you almost can't post anything else when /owg/ is full of all Mattie's content. I just wish we could maybe take a step back from the current levels of waifulust.

>>35083116
While I don't disagree with you, you must be pretty new to 4chan and the internet in general if you think sniffing her armpits is serial-killer-level weird.

How much of your C&J should you be able to snatch?

>>35083380
70%
80 if tech is good

>>35082921

thanks m8, this really helps. I think some days I have decent hip mobility and it tends to feel nicer.

Here's a pause squat from last week, if it's any good then hopefully I can learn to try to emulate it for my regular squats without losing form with the added weight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyCntrIIYks

How long should i stay in cold water/hot shower or sauna? Also hot shower then cold water dunk or the other way around?

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>>35082942
>I hate sexual immorality.
what is this trend of 20 year olds on 4chan pretending they are conservative family men? you're on a site where people jerk off to video game characters lmao

>>35082951
i can post the only two webms i have seen around here. i don't know where any of her stuff comes from

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>>35084129

>>35084129
>>35084141
Filthy casual

>>35084141
this is it, i can finally leave you /owg/ guys alone

goodbye

>>35083484

bump, was this any good

>>35083484
Keep your toes pointed more outward and elbows facing in. A strong cue that was taught at a David Laversky seminar was to keep your eyes pointed at your pinky toes. Try to stay under the bar more and figuratively keep it on your back. Other than that just shoot the hole quicker/longer and you seem to be on the right track.

>>35083380
>>35083432
i snatch 90 and clean and jerk 102, is my jerk just shit?

>>35084449

Do you mean looking down isn't bad?
If possible, could you elaborate on the stay under the bar more thing - unless you're talking about staying more upright, in which case I get it.

Are you the guy with the 140kg snatch (bulklyfe)

>>35079672
i'm having a really hard time getting my back leg to bend in the split jerk

are there any drills i can do to work on it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI0L7E_5Qac

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who wanna bet we'll see more people do jump squats because of this

>>35084784
people been doing that tho

>>35084811
that's why i said we'll see MORE

>>35084784

Hey there lads. Friendly neighbourhood powerlifter, just scrollin by and I wanted to ask

WHAT ARE THOOOOOOSE?!

Cause those shoes are cool as fuck.

I think I fucked up a glute stretching boys

I can't stretch or roll it without there being pain, am I fucked

>>35084493

no, he is not that guy. His cues don't even make sense, why would you look at your toes. You look straight ahead.

>>35084849
>Friendly neighbourhood powerlifter

your a big guy

>>35084902
except he's like the weakest trip there lmao

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>>35084849
Anta weightlifting shoes. you wont be able to cop the gold pairs bc theyre limited but you can cop the red ones for around 185 on hookgrip store

>>35084902

Nope

>>35084921

Yup.

>>35084921

that must be extremely painful

>>35084928

Merci, friend.

gonna run an RSP this winter, what do you guys think of
(if 6x2 day): light classics, squat, light hamstring work, core
(if heavier day): squat, upper body hypertrophy, shoulder girdle work, mobility

>>35084937
....for you

>>35084937

U U U U

>>35085021
I'm just very apprehensive about you and squatting

Pls stay safe

>>35085096

the main limiting factor to my classics going up is squatting, I don't know what else to do

>>35085105
The Press
heavy pulls

be klokov

>>35085123

to what extent can heavy pulls mitigate minimal squatting? 3x/week, volume/heavy clean and snatch pulls?

>>35085136
for me i only squat 2x a week maybe 3 if i feel like it, more pulls but not heavy only heavy like 2x a week

i also tried completely not squatting just doing the classics and pulls that didn't work too well since the bar felt heavier when i actually rack it on cleans, jerks were dead since i'd be shaking like it was a max fsquat even if it's a 90% something clean

drop the squatting to as less as you can, then do more technique

even now that i'm squatting 2x a week i still dont go heavy on them for example my real grind out max is 245, but when my coach does the programming i'd either put 210 or most of the times 200 as max so i'd be squatting like 75-85% of my real max most days even though the program calls for 90%

i'm also a 105 so i guess that factors in to why i dont like frequent squatting, i just feel dead if I do a lot of squatting

>>35085238
i forgot to mention that I used to focus solely on getting my squats up to get my lifts up when i used to train alone, that didnt go so well, like i said my max is 245 but i only managed to clean like 150 when i had garbage technique and only doing the lifts 2x a week because i focus only on getting the squat up

now i can powerclean that but my squat is pretty much the same or maybe it went up a few kg since i havent maxed it out, but i never focused on it anymore

oh and do all kinds of jumps if your knees can handle them

>>35084863

You're probably out of the game forever, mate.

>>35085238
>>35085280

this is really helpful m8, thanks. It's actually kind of a relief knowing that I don't have to put my knees through hell 3x/week. I'll try limiting to 1x squat and 1x front squat for now (volume squats, intensity front squats).

I'll try jumps but only carefully because those are tough on patellar tendon. More box jumps than depth jumps I think.

thanks again m80, looking forward to pulling tomorrow

>>35084863
Careers over.

>>35085484
>>35085492
It's time to start my fledgling career as an armchair analyst

Silver lining is that its deload week

I had gone so far without injuries or pains and I attributed it to stretching more but now I don't know what to believe

>>35084261
Sorry for the late reply mate. I am the guy you responded to. Yes it looked better.

But always record from a middle height and 45 degrees to the left or right from the back.

>>35080968

Damn Zoe Quinn lost a lot of weight.

>>35085238
>>35085280

Incidentally, I was just re-reading Larry's Chinese Weightlifting Experience on ATG and from what he says, they only really squat twice a week (one front, one back) and spend the rest of the time doing heavy pulls.

So, new direction in training, fuark yeah. Love it when that happens.

Im in the process of completing my home gym and the final stages would be purchasing oly plates so I have a few questions for you guys.
Has anyone here ever bought eleiko plates? If so what did you pay?
I'm not interested in used plates either. What other brands would you guys recommend?

>>35086157

I used only 1 set of 20kgs and i purchased cheaper but smaller iron plates for 1-10kg.

Now i have 2 sets of 20kg bumpers One from rogue and one from pendlay. No difference really.

They cost a lot. I think i paid 75$ per plate or something.

>>35086157
Eleiko, Werksan, Uesaka, Rogue, DHS, York bunch of others

>>35084784
Just a dynamic warm up tho I was expecting proper jump squats

>>35086157
Eleiko plates will set you back 1000s for a full set

You're priority should be a good bar though

whoa /owg/ got bad

>>35086586
Was it ever really that good?

>>35086749
idk lad but the mattie posting seems a bit out of hand desu

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>>35086757
we should just go back to seal posting. that was so much cooler

>tfw this years worlds was even worse than last years

>>35087359
>hurr hurr I was on the road, look at me guys, I traveled and missed a major holiday for my sport, im that good!

>>35087457
Why does the tweet make you so angry?

>>35087457
Every time there seems to be this one guy that's massively butthurt at all lifters, except Chinese and Russian cus 'so humble and foreign'. Or maybe this general really I'd overrun by Asians and Slavs.

>>35085703
Good advice. Confidence when moving maximal weights is a part that's lacking in a lot of newbies.

>>35086757
Agree m8

>>35087752
I'm not mad at Mattie just this incessant posting of her boring shit

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>>35083484
pls stop puffing your chest out. it ruins your bar path and put stress on lower back. have an open/living chest

pls dont look down on squat or look at you pinky toes, look forward and keep your chin up.

break the hips first and when coming up the hips rises first

>>35083144
Honestly what I like about owg specifically is that it's informative and actually talks about lifting, unlike the rest of the shitposting that we see on 4chan. Mattie posting is basically just the rest of the faggotry on 4chan seeping into one of the few informative threads we have on fit. It's not misogynistic to say you don't like waifu posts in a thread dedicated to olympic weightlifting. Mattie is a good lifter, no doubt, but posting her random instagram posts contributes nothing to the discussion of olympic weightlifting.

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i think somebody said seal posting

>>35088452
Stop throwing a fit about it for fucks sake. The only reason why webms of Mattie get like 20 replies is because of YOU and guys like you needing to voice your opinion about the 'golden age of owg'. Waifuposting always existed, it's only when guys like you appeared that it became a problem

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Just got me a pair of compression bandages to replace my knee-sleeves, and i swear i was scammed buying the knee-sleeves.

Sleeves are much more expensive, fixed size so you cant adapt it to your body over time, cant apply pressure to certain parts of the knee depending on where you need it, cant change the pressure overall... It keeps my knees warm the same...

So whats up with this knee-sleeve meme? Why do people buy that shit instead of Russian wraps or something similar?

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>>35088507
I wasn't aware that calmly pointing out why I don't like the incessant Mattie posts is considered throwing a fit. If anybody sounds mad, it's you and the Mattie posters.

>>35088551
Honestly it's probably because knee sleeves are much easier to use than wraps, that's really it.

>>35088556
Maybe read the rest of my post before you hit that reply button. You're a bigger part of the problem than the people enjoying Mattie posts. Its only because of you incessantly replying back to the Mattie posters that it even causes a discussion. They're only a few people enjoying some webms, don't let it escalate more than that.

>>35088507
>Waifuposting always existed

not like this, we'd get maybe one or two waifuposts and those are to bump dead thread, not like this autism guy who has to post everything mattie does because he wants to "update" us about mattie

lol

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I bet Mattie doesn't teach poor Chinese children who are in need of wl training

>>35088720
Goddamn, never knew he was this much of a manlet.

Respect lost tbch fåm

He's a 77kg lifter, the middleweight classes are generally fairly average-sized men. Not sure I would call 5'8 manlet-tier.

>>35088720
What are these wooden bars for? The ones that are so many in the back, first time I've ever seen them.

Anyone ever used a TENS unit? My rectus femoris is clenched to fuck and I want to open it up to being looser than a crossfitter's wallet.

how do I drop down faster after the second pull

>>35088974
I was just today thinking of getting one to use on my left glute. Curious to know peoples experiences as well.

>>35089035

Don't think of it as a drop
Don't conceptualize the second/third pulls as separate movements
Pulling the bar up and pulling yourself under should be one single fluid movement

>>35088974
>being looser than a crossfitter's wallet.
lol
wish I didnt have to go there.

>>35088551
I have both the knee wraps and the sleeves

Sleeves are so easy and convienient I never use the wraps anynore. Altho I have one of the wraps to a buddy cos they're so long I cut them in half and made 2 pairs

Best way for a noob to increase front squat?

I was thinking of doing only frontsquats 5x5 twice a week.

Just managed 60kg for 5x5 today with two min rest between sets, not sure what my actual 5rm is.

Also, I'm doing front rack holds for as long as I can with 150% of my frontsquat, it feels useful. Is it or just a meme?

70kg bw

>>35088878
What wooden bars

>>35088974
Used one to try to help get my vmo firing and recruiting again. Not sure if it worked desu, massage setting does feel good though

>>35089207
There are so many of them at the back. Are these just racks?

>>35089268
Circle them?

>>35089035

learn to muscle snatch/clean
seriously, this helped my form better than anything else

>>35089041

yeah I'm gonna apply it to piriformis tonight and see

>>35089205

5x3, 6x2, and 3x3 are pretty effective IMO. Don't bother with >3 reps, too much fatigue on upper back and it starts to turn to shit

>>35089219

yeah that's a secondary benefit, but I'm not convinced it's really a thing yet

>>35089268
You mean the stands? Yes basically squat stands. I dunno why you're calling them bars tho

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>>35088720
Mattie has teach children of all colors who can be willing to learn. The true American.

Lu steals children from the parent at night and adds them to the country's collection. They are made forced to train for years as part of the communist plot for gold medals.

>>35089573
>lil nuggets

Lol cute. I think she wants to have children someday.

>>35089659
Like every woman does

Glad we are getting more kids into the sport though

>>35089573
Is that bottom position flexibility or genetics?

>>35084610
plox respond

>>35089351
I dont see how the muscle version would help

>>35089672
Do you have a high school education?

>>35089672
yes

>>35089745
Thanks for clearing that up

>>35089751
Your a smart guy.

>>35089775
For big guys.

>>35088720
That gym looks really comfy. Very spacious and I like the big windows.

>>35089692

why?
teaches you to pull under.

>>35089871
link me a vid then because all im seeing is cheat reverse curls

>>35089901

http://yashathoughts.com/muscle-snatches/

out of curiosity, what are your lifts and bodyweight

>>35089918
im 3 weeks in so pretty new

my coach says my technique is pretty good for 3 weeks, the biggest problem I have now is not dropping fast enough during the 3rd pull

not sure what lift to list

>>35089918
Not him but if you're going to ask someone his lifts then it's only fair you post yours as well.

>>35089940

yeah so the issue is that you're thinking of it as dropping rather than pulling under. If you do an exercise that forces you to use pull under rather than flopping under, you'll improve your pull

>>35089942

if he was stronger then his issues might be different than a beginner, my lifts have nothing to do with it. It was a valid question

>>35089573
those kids will also never medal in the olympics, unlike the chinese kids.

>>35090041
Only because Lu steals thousands of children for Chinese Communist government and they kill the low lifters for soap and vitamins.

>>35090041
Why? Because they're American? Not even American, but I believe that every country has a fair chance at the sport if they actually nurture their athletes. America cares about their juniors, so I wouldn't be surprised if they rolled out some junior lifters in the coming decade. And let's not forget about CJ Cummings, who already shows a lot of promise.

>>35089942
>Not him but if you're going to ask someone his lifts then it's only fair you post yours as well.

>insecure newbie reatrded found right here

>>35090104
America ranks what, like 30th in the world in weightlifting? Frankly I don't really see that changing much. American lifters are just really weak compared to the rest of the world. The last American male to medal at worlds was Wes Barnett back in 99, and the last American to medal at the olympics period was Tara Nott in 2000. The only lifter aside from CJ who showed a lot of promise was Pat Mendes, and he managed to completely fuck his life up through poor decisions. Hopefully CJ stays on track and becomes a world class lifter, it would be great for the US.

>>35090041
>100,000 chinese kids come into the sport
>6 of them end up medalling

>>35090172
alex lee did 140, 176 that's world class at 69

>>35090184
too old

>>35090184
The US definitely has a couple of world class lifters. Alex Lee and Sarah Robles come to mind, but none of them are anywhere near medaling. Hopefully that can change in the future, but I doubt it.

>>35090165
reddit

>>35090172

Isn't it a combination of lack of funding and stricter drug testing that makes America uncompetitive?

>>35090247
That's definitely part of it, but frankly a lot of it just stems from the fact that American lifters are really weak. Maybe I've been listening to too much John Broz, but American lifters seem far too wrapped up in technical work and tons of variation instead of just getting strong and working on the lifts. It's no coincidence Lu Xiaojun squats 300 and snatches 176. International lifters just seem to be stronger than Americans.

>>35090247
>lack of funding
No.

>stricter drug testing
Yes. Russia faked most of their lab results, Russia isn't even the only country guilty of this. At an Olympic level peds are a must, because no amount of strength will compete against a world class lifter on steroids. American athletes need to off cycle more and lower their dosages.

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>>35090183
That statistic is exaggerated as fuck.

>>35090286
Or maybe you just don't know what you're talking about

The genetic freaks like lu, Ilya etc are not good comparison for strength compared to average lifters like most of USA

The guys who competed this year at worlds have close or equal strength to most guys they competed against

There's very few athletes that can squat as much as lu in his bw that's why everyone was watching him every time he squats, even the average 105 don't go that heavy in squats competition week

>>35090288
Do you know how much stipend the top athletes gets from usaw? It's barely enough to eat you can't pay for rent, gas etc with the amount they get

>>35090286
>American lifters seem far too wrapped up in technical work and tons of variation instead of just getting strong and working on the lifts

you see it all the time itt. people with babyweight lifts telling themselves and others they could add 15-20kg to their total with better technique lmao

I'm not saying you need to be able to back squat 4 times your bodyweight to be competitive in olympic lifting, but you should probably be squatting more than 3 times per week, which is what they do at MDUSA and the OTC from what I understand. They also rarely seem to go heavy. Given that the US has a huge gene pool, there's no reason in the world we shouldn't have freakish athletes in olympic weightlifting. The only real explanation is a lack of interest and lack of funding.

>>35090286

have to disagree with this. The reasons for me are
-American weightlifters are people who want to do it, and have to go out of their way to live in this niche that is rarely heard about
-other countries rely on Olympic sports as a way out of poverty that get tons of kids enrolled early, and sift out the rest. The kids who are doing this know it's a shot at greatness and being able to make some money, so they train hard.

In the US, you get the same thing, but these kids all play basketball and football. If urban black kids who only knew of athletics to get out of poverty went into WL, the US would be smashing records with China and the slavs.

IMO, anyway. CJ is the first time we've seen something like this happen, and look at his progress

>>35090347
>>35090347

There's the funding aspect of it... China can throw money at training kids in the hope that they'll have genetic traits like Lu and just trash them if they don't turn out well. You watch Chinese training hall footage and there are so many young lads in there putting up huge numbers.

Culture too, naturally gifted American athletes go into football from high school. Even fucking Mattie whom /owg/ pedestals like nothing started out as a gymnast.

>>35090391
>squat 5 times a week meme
chinese only squat 2 times a week

>>35090395
Well if that's the case, why do we have fantastic athletes in most other sports? The US gets tons of gold medals in pretty much every sport aside from weightlifting and some others. What is the incentive for those athletes? It's the same thing for weightlifters. I don't buy the lack of incentive argument.

>>35090391
You really think you know better than zygmunt?

>>35090415
Because they can get MONEY doing the other sports

Are you that fucking dumb

>>35090391
>squat 5 times a week

Do you think Olympic athletes train 10 hours a day too?

what are some good gyms in houston? after going to the worlds i want to make the switch from powerlifting in my garage.

>>35090432
yes

>>35090410
Not true according to this article
http://www.allthingsgym.com/chinese-weightlifting-training-methods/
>>35090420
Me personally? no. Do Rigert, Abadjiev, Yu Jie, and other coaches with world class teams know more? Probably. Frankly it's not really a matter of knowledge and more a matter of execution.
>>

>>35090415

the sports that US typically wins in are track & field and swimming, right? Swimming has a huge youth investment, with clubs everywhere and tons of kids going through the system and getting pushed hard by coaches. Track and field is the same, there are track programs for kids in primary school

the problem is that there are myths about the dangers of weight training so nobody takes it up early or makes it their career

there's virtually no weightlifting infrastructure, the closest you get is football players doing 'power cleans'

>>35090428
>lack of money

Its lack of passion. Most people don't know what weightlifting is in the us, they think you're talking about bicep curls and ohp.

>>35090428
You get sponsorships and shit if you win medals in olympic sports. I don't see why this wouldn't be the case for olympic weightlifting. It's not like olympic wrestlers and decathletes and shit are making bank, they mostly just do it for the glory of winning.
>>35090443
I definitely agree that there's no infrastructure for weight training in the US. Maybe crossfit can change that but probably not given their philosophies.

>>35090440

larry's chinese WL experience said they typically squat twice a week including front squats. I don't know how I feel about kirksman but even that article isn't necessarily inconsistent with that - only that a weak athlete might engage in more because of 'weakness correction'

>>35090462

it might, but yeah who knows. I thought it was kind of telling that the biggest ever crossfit star thorisdottir is on tons of PEDs and couldn't even cj 110. They probably just see weightlifting as bonus fun because they don't train to increase total

>>35090440
You realize Chinese has a billion trillion coaches with different approaches and so does Russia? Name dropping them doesn't help your argument since basically no one but the athletes who trained under those coaches know exactly how they program

Seriously go look it up see if you can find an outline made by yu jie or rigert themselves not written by some Malaysian scum who's in this to make money

Do you even know why kirksman and wu don't work together anymore? Because Kirk tries to sensationalize every little aspect of training he gets from wu then later changes it to something different then says it was wu who keeps changing his mind on how to train

Kirksman is not exactly a good source lad

>>35088551
Anyone know how to properly wrap these? How tight should they be?

A link or just some basic info would be great.

>>35090531

as tight as you feel is necessary, but not so tight that it impedes your ability to get into the bottom position comfortably. I don't use wraps, but if I did then I'd take care to wrap patellar tendon and kneecap a little more tightly than most to get good tracking. If I was injury free I'd probably wrap loosely just to keep the joint warm and keep everything stable

only used wraps a couple times though, they tend to pinch more than sleeves.

>>35090564
Thanks a lot man

to sum up what the chinese do
>squat 2x a week(front+back)
>heavy pulling 2x, another 2x for volume
>bodybuilding
>general accesory

how do I program this

>>35090624

Sn
Sn Pull heavy
Dips
Curls

Front Squat
Sn Pull light
Pull-ups
Tri-Ext

C&J
Cn Pull heavy
Weighted Push-ups
Curls

Back Squat
Cn Pull light
DB Rows
Skull Crushers

>>35079672
Why that ape is trying to destroy his rotator cuffs?

>>35090706
Its some calisthenic shit

>>35088659
I think it was just before worlds he said he wanted to update us on her training all the time and that was the reason why he posted literally all her social media

Sick and creepy fetish much?

He disappeared before I could tell him to stop updating us

>>35085021
>>35085096
Yeah. I like that program. But I dont want you hurt bb

>>35085136
Chinks normally only squat twice a week with like three different pull exercises per session.

I am feeling some discomfort at my knees even some days after my WL training.

What are the most common causes?

I am still pulling baby weight btw

>>35090931
>>35090942

yep settled on some different protocols.

Assuming 5 lifting days in week (maybe 6, not sure yet)
will be more along the lines of

sn
sn variation
heavy sn pulls

sn
squat
bodybuilding

clean+jerk
heavy clean pulls
jerk assistance

light clean variant
front squat
bodybuilding

max day (sn, cj, heavy pulls)

optional 6th day would be overhead stability and more bodybuilding

>>35090454

You have two options: enter a niche sport with very little or no recompense, support, or general interest, where you'll flounder for years trying to get recognized at the world level; OR: enter the most lucrative sport franchise in the US, get signed with a multi-million dollar contact your first year, earn prestige and accolades beyond your wildest dreams, and retire at 30.

Yeah, man, I don't see any incentive pressure from one of those choices, either.

>>35091106
I don't think this is the most valid argument in the world. Basketball players generally have to be freakishly tall with ridiculous proportions, and football players, aside from in the more lightweight positions like defensive backs, running backs, etc., have to be both very tall and very large, meaning they would only take up the more heavy weight classes, leaving the light and middleweight classes open. This also ignores women's weightlifting. The only really high earning sports for women are tennis, golf, and UFC.

>>35091053

tightness or patellar tendinopathy
fixing the former generally fixes the latter though
do adequate mobility work on lifting days, and introduce some on rest days too

>>35090391
Yeah lack of funding is the biggest issue.

Also i squat 14 times a week so i'm s00per elite right

>>35090440
>Me personally? no. Do Rigert, Abadjiev, Yu Jie, and other coaches with world class teams know more? Probably. Frankly it's not really a matter of knowledge and more a matter of execution.
I think there is value in squatting a lot often but the chinese idea of pulling all day and squatting minimally is okay. Just not for me.

>>35091263
I only train twice a week now, i do mobility 3 or 4 times a week.

I think the way i land after the triple extension might be slowly fucking with my knees.

>>35091385

maybe if you're stomping, but one thing I do as someone with chronic problems is to get a really strong pull, and then catch high/ride it down a little in order to control the force on the knees. It tends to work pretty well for keeping knees healthy because you're making sure the weight never crashes on you.

You should probably find a way to lift more often though.

>>35091385
>I only train twice a week now
Why?

>>35090440

1) Teo is an insane person that trades in his training philosophy every two weeks. You should take anything he says with a heavy dose of salt.
2) The regimens he is describing are for top-tier athletes in China, whom train two sessions a day, five-six days a week. The squatting and pulling frequency make much more sense given this more general training frequency--and this is provisional, tailored to individual athletes and their weaknesses.
3) You probably aren't training twelve sessions a week, and you probably aren't in a position to recover properly from anything approaching the volume, frequency, and intensity Teo is describing. You need to adapt your own program according to what you're able to recover from. Squatting twice a week and pulling three times a week sounds like plenty for five sessions a week, on top of work, school, etc.

>>35091473
It is ok to "balance forward" and feel the weight in the anterior part of the feet before lifting? even if i don´t have wl shoes?
I was used to feel the weight on my heels when i was learning to deadlift and now it feels weird to pull like that.

>>35091523
The trainer can only teach us Tuesdays and Thursdays from 5 to 7, is is incredible cheap though.

>>35091621
>The trainer can only teach us Tuesdays and Thursdays from 5 to 7, is is incredible cheap though.
I see. You dont think it would be wise to talk to the trainer about doing some strength training on top of that?

>>35091659
We do 1 hour hyperthrophy both days, also squats and "WL deadlifts"

I do some home workouts with dumbells during the week. and on Saturdays i do some light cardio + pushups+dips+pushups on a park.

Maybe it would be posible to train another day, but my knees hurt a bit right now so i need to go slow and fix the technique.

>>35091598

good post

>>35091621

it's kind of an individual preference thing IMO (some may disagree) but most people feel best with the weight over the midfoot

>>35091598
Assuming people had time training twice a day is no problem. You might just not lift heavy in the AM.

What is a good squat routine? Just finished smolov.

>>35092283
what do you currently lift?

>>35092299
100kg

>>35092299
180kg

>>35092311
are you a female or over 60?

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>>35092299
>>35092325

Not me.

But yea i squat 180

>>35090183
china has 34 provinces, each with around 5-10 (or even fewer) training centres, each with 30-80 kids (80 really pushing it)
100,000 is kinda pushing it

>>35090391
>>35090440
speaking from first hand experience and reading stuff on the internet too, they do squat twiuce a week lad
liao squats twice a week btw

>>35092340
what did you squat when you started smolov

>>35090391
and afaik a big reason is in the us, athletes choose coaches
in china, coaches choose athletes

>>35092387
150

>>35090624
mon wed fri alternate sn cj, followed by pulls
tue sat squat followed by squat assistance
bodybuilding./core every session
volume week, heavy week, light week, repeat
done
heres a custom program just 4 u http://pastebin.com/yzedm1c9

>>35092398
idk family i just idk

30kg for 13 weeks is almost exactly the same kinds of gains i got on my squat running a full body intermediate routine, adding 5lbs a week

always thought smolov was for huge big guy gains of >100lbs on the squat if you're intermediate, and less for guys already squatting north of 500lbs

>>35092450
I dont want to discard your work but it looks like you slapped some stuff together

how trustable is this pas guy

>>35092528
i wouldnt trust him desu senpai

>>35092528
Never heard of him before. Probably new or a troll

>>35092509
I did the base cycle, so 5 weeks but i skipped a lot of rest days so closer to 3-4 actually.

Maybe just redo smolov with my new 1rm and actually have rest days?

NEW THREAD

>>35092636

NEW THREAD

>>35092636

NEW THREAD

>>35092636

>>35092606

Did you incorporate work on the classic lifts, or did you just squat for those 5 weeks?

>>35092654
I only squatted.

>>35092606
okay those numbers don't look bad knowing you didn't do full smolov

if you want a big guy squat as soon as possible i guess you could do smolov again. there really isn't a better squat routine. it's made by a slav do you expect another squat routine could compete?

personally, i have no intention of bothering with lift specific routines until i'm lifting super big guy weights. even then it'd be more of last resort.

Brehs how come front squats feel so good for me compared to back squats? Literally orgasmic.

>>35092540
Pas if I was taking a trip to China can I rock up at a gym or do I need secret connection?

>>35092764
giv it a go, coach might be nice