NATURAL LIMIT THREAD

>>27222656

Stop shitposting. You can get this kind of body with 6 months of SS + GOMAD

>>27222585
cba to find a picture but i imagine Latsbrah is close, except maybe when it comes to strength.

>>27222585
natty
>>27222736
not natty
>>27222842
natty
>>27223378
natty

>>27223405
>morrison and hodgetwins
>natty

3/10

ITT: dumbfucks

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don't know how close this guy is but it looks nice in any case

>>27223434
>>27223438
DYEL?

>>27223449
That's a DYEL faggot. You can get that from like 3 months of working out.

>>27223460
confirmed for being newfag

>>27223449
Tiny has the best body imo

>>27223460
>fuckingnewfag

>>27223470
>getting my hopes up

>>27223470
>bigger than you - roidfag
>smaller than you - DYEL mode

The ride never ends.

>>27222690
hes making a fair point, the hodgetwins left humanity behind quite a long time ago

>>27223470
no this isnt true, thats an extremely hard body to get to unless youre genetically blessed

>>27223592
>hes making a fair point, the hodgetwins left humanity behind quite a long time ago

But why are they still claiming all natural?

>>27223605
Damn son, you got baited so hard there

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>>27222842
>>27223378
>>27223405
>>27223460
>>27223449
newfagging this hard

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pic related, the universal nattural limit

>>27223614
because they lost fans if they tell "WE ROID"

>>27223623
>I don't work hard at the gym and have a shitty diet so I shit on those who work hard and have a perfect diet by saying they take roids

>>27223484
>4ft tall with wide hips
>Best body

>>27223616
i knew it was a poorly thought out 'troll'. i didnt get baited, i just hate it when people spread disinfo and never get called out on it. theres a lot of noobs lurking who actually believe that shit

>>27223378
I want this.
>>27223449
This wouldn't be bad, either.

>>27222585
I'm honestly not sure the twins are natty anymore.
Been a subscriber for probably around 4-5 years now and they always made linear, solid natty gains.
In the last 6-8 months they just blew up, especially when they started cutting.
Of course most of it is just visual trickery by them going lower in bf% and striations becoming more visible, but i still think that they got bigger in general which should not be possible during a cut. Maybe I'm wrong though.

I think they might've hopped on something. Nothing too harsh like actual test or tren or anything. Probably some prohormones or shit.

>>27223705
I think they are on something too
for their photoshoot
they look way better now
crazy capped delts and monster traps
striations

>>27223705
you have before and after pics of them?

>>27223624
scooby looks so sad in that top picture

>>27223747

BASED CAIUS

>>27223750
>I think they are on something too for their photoshoot

>implying they aren't photoshopped

They are full natty. They said it themselves. Not to mention they have good genetics.

>>27223759
Nope. I just look at their vids for comparison. Vids are not photoshopped.

>>27223770
It's because he's not a natty at maths.

>>27223777
>They said it themselves

So does Jeff.
So did Zyzz.
(So does Scooby)

So does every fucking body that makes money in the fitness industry

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>>27223777
wasted trips

>I don't think the twins are natty anymore because <logical reasons>
THEY ARE FULL NATTY BECAUSE THEY SAID SO

>>27223777
They haven't done their photoshoot yet you dumb fuck
they're training for it

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>>27223705
>Of course most of it is just visual trickery by them going lower in bf% and striations becoming more visible, but i still think that they got bigger in general which should not be possible during a cut. Maybe I'm wrong though.

So does luimarco.
In here he gets ripped and diced to the socks and gained a substantial amount of muscle as well in four months.

They are natty. It's just good genetics.

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>>27223449
this is actually me. pic related

>>27223470
i loled. 3/10.

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>>27223759
if they weren't already on something, pretty sure they hopped on the jooze for this photoshoot

>>27223888
Yuh, see the video of them showing off their backs in grocery store?

>>27223850
and he is 100% drug free because....he says so?

Nigger do you understand how a cut works? You eat less. There's less energy available. There's no resources for your body to grow bigger.
= you don't grow bigger, simple as that.

Plus a cut will alway make you lose some of the muscle you have. Natty cuts will have a ratio of 1/4-1/5 muscle loss to fat loss.
You don't ever grow bigger during a cut because it's not possible. No genetic advantage can achieve that.

The only thing that can achieve that is a more efficient protein synthesis -> that is induced by taking anabolic steroids like testosterone.

That guy you posted sure as hell didn't grow that muscle during a natty cut. The guy's been using gear but you're too retarded to get it.

>he said he's natty
topkek

I can tell you I'm natty and I just had my last injection two days ago. Doesn't make that statement true.

>>27223888
1. they're black
2. they're black
3. we've been watching their progress forever man, come on

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in b4 mad

>>27223958
>You don't ever grow bigger during a cut because it's not possible.

what is recompositioning

>>27223888

Hodgetwins havent been natty for the last year. I dont see why people still fall for this shit. Theyre nearly fucking 40 yet they're getting leaner and bigger. You don't get that ability at 40, you dont get that ability at 20. 'GENETICS' isnt an excuse you can use, they dont give you superhuman powers that defy physics.

>>27223969
>they're black
And?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17456570

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yeat not a single natty posted =D

>>27223869
Ok now tell me how the hell i lose all my bodyfat?

>>27223996
An urban legend.

>>27223999
>physics
There is no law of physics dealing with natty bodybuilding you stupid shit.

>>27223969

Nobody is saying theyve been on the entire time you retard. People who've been watching them this long know something has changed recently.

They arent natty anymore.

>>27223996

>recomp
>cut

you're eating slightly below maintenance during a recomp and the results are not that significant

>>27223958
You telling that the guy pictured here >>27223850
is not natty? Seriously he is like 5'10 and 170 pounds in that pic. Clearly a natural. Doesn't have the Photoshop look and looks completely flat. His traps and delts are also small compared to fake naturals like the Hodgetwins. If compared he will look a lot smaller.

Luimarco is natural. Hodgetwins completely not natural.

>>27222585
And first pic is someone on steroids. Gotta love how naive 4chan is

>>27223542
>Bigger and more defined than Arnold at his best - roidfag
>Natty -DYEL mode
fixed

>>27224023
That's why you'll never be anything.

>>27223850
You can always tell it's luimarco from those shit tier triceps

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Seriously if this is not natty then what is?

>>27223869

stats?

height, weight, lifts?

>>27223850
Confirmed for noob in the lifting world. Go bust your ass consistently for 7 years, eat a mostly clean bulking diet as well and get your squat to 4 plate, deadlift to 4 plate and bench to 3 plate and then come back and give advice on if they're natty or not.
They aren't.

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>http://nattyornot.com/hodgetwins-natty-or-not/

>http://nattyornot.com/elliott-hulse-steroids/

>http://nattyornot.com/scooby-werkstatt-natural-bodybuilder/

>>27224073
>he thinks growing muscle and losing fat is possible at the same time cause recomping

topkek

>>27224039
It doesn't matter whether he's a manlet or not and it doesn't matter how he looks compared to the hodgetwins.

He's not natty because he apparently gained a fuckton of muscle during a 4(?) month cut that brought him down somewhere around 10% bodyfat. Manlet or not, you don't gain muscle during a cut.
If you wanna bring the recomp card, then that's not possible either because you don't lose ~20lbs on a 200kcal deficit in four months.

The only way he could've pulled it off is with DNP or with actual anabolic substances while cutting hard.

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>>27223777
>They are full natty. They said it themselves.

If you have a youtube fitness channel, chances that you are a natural are less than 5%

>>27224088
the amount of muscle is not extreme in that pic + the pic is photoshopped since it's obviously from a professional photoshoot. Yang doesn't look unnatty at all.

>>27224093
>http://nattyornot.com/
>That’s why we don’t think Lance Armstrong should lose his medals and we aren’t even fans of him. The idea, however, of taking the medals of one guy for doing what everybody else did too is laughable and yet perfectly suits the sick and twisted world we’ve been living in since the dawn of time.
>You can never expect that the mainstream authorities will do the right thing because they’ve been proving day after day that they don’t want to do the right thing. Actually, the whole concept of authority itself is built upon lies. How on earth did some people gain the right to rule over others for centuries?
>They do it because they can get away with it and there’s nobody to stop them. After all, we are all too busy looking killer discounts in the mall.

The amount of conspiracy theory in that website is /pol/ tier.
He seems to say the truth though.

>>27224093
elliott already admitted that he tried tren once. There's no mystery about that.

The only question is if he's been on ever since, and he honestly doesn't look THAT big compared to others that are (blasting and) cruising.

>>27224045
These threads really show how uneducated /fit/ is.

>>27224073
>Believes in fantasies because he can't deal with reality
You're laughable kid.

>>27224097
>He's not natty because he apparently gained a fuckton of muscle during a 4(?) month cut that brought him down somewhere around 10% bodyfat.

>He thinks luimarco gained muscle on that cut

If you look closely he clearly lost a lot of muscle on that cut. Also
>http://nattyornot.com/luimarco-natural-bodybuilder/
>Conclusion: The physique of Luimarco can be achieved naturally without the abuse of illegal substances.

He's been lifting for 15+ years as well. If you have that body and say you have been lifting for even 10+ years, people will laugh because guys who lift 5+ years will beat him. With dat dere celltech of course.

>>27224131
>I call other people kid to try and sound condescending

I imagineDk super veiny.

>>27223614

The HT are a channel viewed almost exclusively by people that barely lift, get no results and are dumb as fuck. They get no results from their "lifting" but they want to look big, they think the HT have some special diet or routine that gets them as big as they are (and they know it's all natural because they say so) and they want to learn. They watch to be like them because nobody looks upto someone that isn't highly impressive right? Fuck pro trainers and PHD doctors, "if you ain't big you ain't shit!".

The day they say "we use roids" they will lose like 1/4 of their viewers overnight, who will then become haters because their idols lied to them.

It's also illegal, which could get them arrested and their channel could be shut down.

Almost everyone that you look to on YT that you think is impressive is drugged, to think otherwise is fucking stupid. Do you know how well these fucking drugs work or how annoying it is to constantly get remarks that you aren't impressive, you aren't growing and aren't inspirational?

The thing that cracks me up is the people that argue they are all natty, furious pete? NATTY BRO, Eliot? Natty! HT, NATTY!

Even faggots like Kali, you get people claiming it. It's fucking hilarious how stupid people are.

>>27224163
Yes. And it works, considering how mad you are, kid.

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Full natty is Steve Reeves
>no steroids yet

>>27224149
>nattyornot says he's natty
>therefore he is

this is just as bad as
>luimarco says he's natty
>therefore he is

Here I go again for you, you DENSE MOTHERFUCKER:
HE. FUCKING. GAINED. MUSCLE. DURING. A. CUT.

>>27224193
except 1g/wk of test prop

>>27222705
>latsbrah
>natty
Come on mate, guy is pure elven glory

>>27224193
topkek
sure buddy

>>27224222
>Here I go again for you, you DENSE MOTHERFUCKER:
HE. FUCKING. GAINED. MUSCLE. DURING. A. CUT.

U mad he has bigger body than you?

Look closer bro, he didn't gain any muscle.

>>27224234
>>27224249
lol
Steve Reeves is like the normal body of a guy who lifts naturally for 5+ years.

Stop blaming steroids for having shit genetics, training and diet.

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nattyornot is wrong with luimarco, he is clearly not a natty. other than that i agree lots of things on the site

I agree with Jeff not natty but Chris and Matt are somewhat natty or probably taking smaller dosages.

why are people even referencing nattyornot

you guys know it's literally one guy rambling about stuff, right

>>27224290
>agreeing with a conspiracy theorist who advocates gaining mass in bodyweight exercises and thinks anyone with an acceptable physique is natty

>>27224267

He is near 40 and well into the muscle decline period, he does not compete so cheating is not an issue, he makes videos on youtube for a living. Youtube is a place where being out of shape is not acceptable for a fitness channel.

Do you really think he is natural given the things I posted above?

>>27224093

What is the amount of time between this picture and where they are today?

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ITT: Uninformed lazy lifters who thinks this is the natty limit, 5'11 and 140 pounds.

You'll never amount to anything.

>>27224018
>>27224091

sry gotta go.gonna answer in 45 min guys.

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>>27224307
>I agree with Jeff not natty but Chris and Matt are somewhat natty or probably taking smaller dosages.

forgot pic

>>27224361
noob, they are not natty. time has zero impact after newbgains when natural. you can lift 100 years as a natty and you wont see any gains.

>>27224267
I absolutely guarantee you he's not bigger than me. I'm not mad. I've been on testosterone for almost 3 years now with one blast a year. I'm not natural and neither do I claim to be. Also I have about 6 inches in height on the guy and over 50lbs in weight. I'm not at his bf% but I'm not competing and I'm around 12% at the moment.

The only thing that makes me mad is faggots like you believing everything those youtubers shove down our throats.

>>27224400
lmao kill urself u fuckin dumb cunt

>>27224341
He is training for 15+ years
He does not make money on YouTube as you can see he barely has any ads.

Also look closer he looks flat when his around 8% or so bodyfat. He has one of the best diets out there.

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>>27224286
>>27224319

>>27224400
This is what steroid users actually believe.

>>27224319
that's the problem. they don't know that.

>>27223605

So is it possible for a noob like me to get that body in 3 month? And what to do to get it?

>>27222585
Do people tend to ignore the complete asymmetrical gap between this guy's pecs? I have the same and was wondering if it bothers anyone that much once you get relatively shredddded.

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Larry Scott is already on his natural limit as well.

Completely natty. His bodyfat percentage never went down to "steroid" levels.

> SO MUCH STRONG FUCKING UNAWARE IN THIS THREAD

>>27224417
You actually believe youtubers get their money only from ads? you're a fucking moron.

Every single youtuber that passes a certain number of subscribers gets paid by views you moron. You get money for every 100k views you have on your videos. Not a single ad needed.

Ever seen a single ad on Nigahigas channel? On Jenna Marbles channel? On any other youtubers channel?

Ever seen their houses?
They're all paid by views you mongrel.

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>>27224472
Same goes for calum! Also completely natural as his bodyfat level never went down to steroid levels
I hear that Rich Piranha guy is also natty despite claiming he's roiding. He's just not on steroid bf% levels

>>27223984
That is the cream of teh crop for natty lifting. Anyone who looks better (i.e. anyone who looks good because they look like shit) is on roids.
Deal
With
It

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>>27224484
>he still thinks this average body is not achievable natty

U mad you have to inject all those poisons in your body to achieve an aesthetic physique

>>27224417

He channel is monestised, they get $4 per thousand views (whether the ad shows or not).

He has 3 channels, his main one has 81 million views on it, at $4 per 1k work it out.

They also make money lots of other ways like selling t shirts, supplement sponsors, channel advertising with interviews etc.

>>27224088
that's frank yang, isn't he?
he looks like a tenjou tenge drawing

>>27224129
that's a good question... when he admitted to tren use, he blew up and looked fucking fat

he looks a ton better now, but he's smaller as well

>>27224372
hey, depeche mode looks better than ever, glad he came off the drugs and has fitness as his new addiction

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>>27222585
<3 <3

>>27224602
>They also make money lots of other ways like selling t shirts, supplement sponsors, channel advertising with interviews etc.

He doesn't have any of those.

>>27224579
3 years?
he looks young in the first picture, so i guess that's fine progress. if he started in his 20ies, that would be shit progress

>>27224630

He was into pro football when he was younger, where he won a ton of awards and shit.

He was on them then, he increased the dosage and went back to a maint dose, which he is still on.

Why would he not be on them? If you can state a good reason he would not use them maybe it's a valid argument.

Steroids make it vastly easier and they let you compete with someone half your age. He is 36 or so and competes and beats people that are 20-24.

>>27224361
Around 4 years according to them.

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>>27224660

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The only natty physique in this thread.

inb4 dat dere Pepsi

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>not sure if just too many naive new-fags or trolls... well you new fags will learn within 10 years how far natural bb will get you =)

>>27224644

81,994,966 views

>>27224532
This

>>27224678
0/10

try harder
He has a good point.

>>27224690
That _actually_ is the only natty here

>>27223470
YOURE a DYEL faggot.
>ftfy

>>27224701
>not sure if just too many naive new-fags or trolls... well you new fags will learn within 10 years how far natural bb will get you =)

Then post a picture of what do you think is the natty limit.

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ipf powerlifter

>>27224690
>tfw natty Punk is off making babies with AJ and playing old Genesis hockey games
I miss Punk and all but fuck it, he's off living the dream.

>>27223984
>3d delts
>clen, clen all over

>this is natty limit

>>27224704

His main channel has paid him around $328k since he started it.

>>27224743
How is he clen all over?

How do you guys distinguish that someone is using clen? tren? anavar?

>>27224467
if you look closely, everbody has asymmetry to some extent. many people have zipper abs, one delt bigger than the other (because throwing sports like football and baseball), one shoulder resting higher than the other, dominant arm bigger, etc... so no pec asymmetry doesn't bother 90% of people unless you have it yourself

imo of course

tl;dr: nope

>>27224743
Fucking dumbass, it's so obvious they're natural. They have such a low amount of mass because they are at a low body fat %

>>27224690
>tfw he probably has one of the shittest body in the WWE roster but he has a better life than most if not all of them

Confirmed for having an aesthetic body shouldn't be the priority.
Have a great career outside lifting. Have hobbies outside lifting.

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>>27224726
Taylor kitsch, been lifting for about a decade is one of the only true Natty's in Hollywood. Him and maybe Ben stiller

>>27224823
Could you try and post a better body. That body looks achievable and not that aesthetic. Shitty genetics perhaps?

>>27224673
>into pro football
as in he had an interest in it? he never made it past college playing football

and as for the rest of your comment, that's why i said it's a good question... notice in my original comment i said when he ADMITTED to using tren. like you said he could have just upped the dose... fucking reading comprehension do you even literate? lel

>>27223378
>>27223405
>Joss Mooney
>natty

it's like you're trying to sound retarded

>>27224883
You think that because you haven't put enough years of sweat and tears into lifting.
It looks attainable because it's natty dumbass. Your body doesn't just continue to gain muscle forever. You hit a limit that your hormone levels can maintain and that's it for you. This usually occurs ( if you've been lifting and eating right) within five years.
Don't fall for the "I trained hours everyday" crap Hollywood says to cover up their lies about being on steroids. We all should know you don't build muscle in the gym you actually destroy it. And the body becomes catabolic after about 60-90 mins of working out

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BStuuf5OwQc

>>27223592
No, they haven't.

>>27224726
it is different for everyone you idiot. Just like some people can keep muscle after 40. You think everybody who is over 40 and built is on roids? Fuck off mate

>>27224906
Nobody uses tren as a first or even second cycle. So admitting to tren is admitting to years of steroid abuse.
Elliot is that nigger that does steroids for three months, comes off for two where he says he's natty (technically durin that time I guess you are) and then hops back on.
All these "fitness" gurus are faggots parroting shit they heard from someone else and are juicing to look better than you to convince you to give them money or attention.
If these faggots admitted they weren't natty nobody would care about them anymore

>>27225210
just because they have good bodies does not mean they are on steroids.

>>27225226
Confirmed for not knowing what they're talking about. I remember when I was nineteen. How cute

>>27224096
>he doesn't know that it is

>>27222585
come on here looking for fitness advice? Fuck off mate even if you train 10 years you will not get a lean muscular body if that is your goal because you gotta be on roids for that. Oh your body isnt lean and you are just big but are strong? Nope roids to, to not be on roids you must be average at everything or maybe even a little above. Old time bodybuilders and strong men? sandow? nope roids.

>>27225226
that's EXACTLY what it means

>>27225268
lmao you are such a looser. Keep blaming your lack of progress on other things. Just be positive and work fucking hard. You can make it brah

why do these threads always start with people posting unnatty physiques for laughs, and end with people actually believing that a lot of the images are natural?

you do not get huge overnight on steroids, you still need a lot of time

>that's totally achievable in two years
>you just gotta train seriously and have your diet right man

>>27225308
It isn't. If you're a hambeast you can appear to have gained muscle while losing fat but you can't so both at the same time.
So many noobs on this site.
Let's make this simple, to lose fat you have to spend more calories than you take in. To gain muscle you have to eat more calories than you expend. Do the math. Numbers never lie

>>27225320
lol not falling for it

>>27222585
>>27222656
>>27222736
>>27223378

nowhere near natty

>>27224631
that's moby you dipshit

>>27222585
>post pics of naturals thread
>OP is not a pic of a natural

welp, time to sage and hide this shit thread

>>27225331
Going from 126 to 190 at 12 percent bodyfat in 7 years is bad progress? Ok mate, I've progressed more than 90 percent of fit users. I'm trying to give people real world advice not blowing smoke up your ass while hiding in a closet and juicing like these fitness gurus you fags worship

>>27225381

please show us what the top 10% of /fit/ looks like.

>>27225405
You go first

>>27225381
No thats great, but you can still maintain that. You can keep that up well into middle age and then when you post your body in here you will get a bunch of teens or early 20 guys who think they have been into fitness a long time cus they have lifted 1 year tell you that you are on roids.

>>27223984
>>27224532
this

/thread you fagits

>>27225424
I see your point, but having been around juicers for five years I know the difference and it's sad when these kids are being manipulated by liars for financial gain. Just look at a muscle magazine and look at the ads. 300 pound dudes claiming they got that big on protein and pre workout. Too kek

>>27225418

I'm not the one making claims, you are

you said you're better than 90% of /fit/ and you're still too self conscious to post a pic. hysterical.

>>27225424
>190 lbs
>12% bf

Granted he didn't give his height, but still

what's far more likely than roids accusations is everyone replying "lol that's 7 years you could've gotten those results in 1.5 years!"

almost everyone on this fucking board has no sense of time for natty bodybuilding

>>27225367
Bottom one is possible natty

>>27225462
6 foot

>>27225462
I think a lot of people on here get body issues as well. Cant blame them really

>>27224431
but he's right

>>27222585
Roids.
>>27222842
Roids.
>>27223378
Roids.
>>27223984
The far left one is natty. Middle guy with trophy is 100% on juice.
>>27224193
Yes steroids yet. Reeves was not natty you idiot.

>>27225507
doesn't help that lots of times "progress" pictures are a guy with a pump making a pose under downlighting who then proceeds to downplay the amount of time he's been lifting

>>27225461
If you post one of yourself. Then I will. I've posted my pic on here before. You're the faggot trying to discredit my advice. Let's see how well you're doing mate

>>27225561
>You're the faggot trying to discredit my advice.

1. claims to be better than 90% of /fit/
2. makes up scenario where I try to discredit his advice (the actual scenario was I wanted to see your progress) because he's paranoid

suit yourself m8

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>>27225616
My natty limit. 190 12 % bf and 7 years lifting. 6 foot tall. Now what about you homo?

>>27224373

woa justin bieber got jacked

>>27225644
>7 years lifting
>7
lel, do you mean 1.5?

>>27225644
>taken cold
>no stupid lighting

mirin man, can I get your big 3 stats for reference?

>>27225644

why are you so hostile

>>27225673
405 squat, 350 dead, 275 bench. I'm a lank let so bench has always sucked.

>>27225644
mirin' dat bulge. post dick stats?

>>27225682
Try to give good advice and meet nothing but shit talkers. I apologize If I offended you homie

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>>27224392
one nipple on the titties
one nipple on the streets

>>27224023
Do HIIT eating at maintenance to a slight deficit and you'll definitely recomp.

>>27223869
will you be my bf?

>>27225774
yes

>>27223449
that back looks so weak

>>27223705
Meh, they didn't change that much in the last 2 years. Their strength is in the natty realm too.

>>27225727
Except the Herculean statue is lean.

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swole adoring fan

>>27222585

I can't think of a single reason that someone who makes their money off their body, where they will never be tested would be natural. Can anyone name one good reason?

Calling yourself natural is a marketing tool for more views, like saying free range on eggs or organic on vegetables. It's a brand, and one that isn't tested or verified in any way.

Why would they be natural when steroids are widespread and have amazing results mean so much?

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>>27222585

Daily reminder that natural strength limits for men come at ages 28-31.

don't throw in the towel early you faggots

>>27225765
top kek brah

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Luke Guldan is all over Men's Fitness magazine. Was always curious if he's all natural.

>>27225879
Hodge Twins look pretty natural bro. You got to remember, they've been working out hard for like a decade now, and even though they're bodies are great there's still obvious "flaws".

>>27226040
no

>>27226040
>Fitnessmodel
>Natural

He literally earns his money with his body.
Why do people not get this?

>>27226040
That fucker is like 11/10 in looks but sadly he's not natty, not crazy doses, it's unlikely his skin and hair would look so good if he went over the top. Probably mostly deca and anavar.

>>27226040
Think about it.

Don't listen what /fit/ permafat powerlifters tell you.

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>>27225683
>squat more than deadlift
>allso baby weights
>7 years
HOW DARE YOU CALL YOURSELF NATTYMAX?

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Why take roids when you can look like this natural?

ITT: people who have no idea what kind of genetics or how long training program most of the people in the pictures have, and thereby conclude with certainty wether or not they are natty.

>>27226188
because the dude just looks bulky, no definition and the haircut doesnt make him look less of a tryhard

>>27222585
Victor Costa
>mirin that goal body

>>27226040

You know how to spot a natty fitness model?

They never get work.

>>27223888
Honestly though, he looks the same in those 2 pics. It's just lighting and angles. He may have cut a little but he's damn close

And you have to remember that they don't have proportional legs like most guys would that would use up some of those gains.
And they've said before that they're on beta-blockers

>>27223958
This guys mad because he cuts too hard and loses muscle cuz of low test

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Natty or juiced?

How to tell if natty or not in a priority

1. Look at age
2. Look at LBM
3. Look at how long the guy has been training and his stats
4. Look at comparable physiques thats admitted to steroid use (nattyornot.com)
5. Look at leanness compared to size

The main reason you can tell if someone is natty is to look at their fucking age. If someones 18-20 and fucking huge, you know whats up. I dont care if youve been training since youre 14, you wont get huge. How lean you can get is also highly due to genetics, but obviously if someones shredded to the bone with decent mass theres some owls in the moss.

Also top lel at everyone who thinks fitness models like >>27226040 cant be natty. Do you realize the fucking huge amount of lighting work and photoshop they dump on these photos? I bet you the guy looks nothing like that in reality if you told him to pull his shirt off in public.

>>27223958
youre fucking stupid. firstly, hes not huge. secondly, he probably was bigger in the left pic muscle wise than the right one, but you get one hell of an effect when you start leaning down. you could probably put on about 5-8kg more muscle on the guy on the left and the right one would still look "bigger" because of the effect leaning down gives you. I have a friend whos 67kg at 182cm, absolutely shredded but dyel as fuck and he looks pretty "big" if he takes a pic with downlighting and the guy barely benches 1plate

>>27226333
hopefully not juiced. you never know though, some people look like shit even when roiding.

>>27226188
>>27226333
didn't he kill himself with roids?

>>27222656
It is achievable natty but it requires at least 20 years of perfect nutrition and heavy lifting

>>27226336

>be a fitness model
>gets a phonecall for work the next day, be ready
>fuck man, I'm on a bulk right now.
>no problem, we will get someone else.

vs on juice

>I'm ready, ery day is best day for me!
>photoshop? no even once, I'm already photoshopped.

or

>fitness model comes in.
>photographer says to agent, this guy looks shit compared to the guy we had yesterday. Don't use this guy again, gonna cost a fortune to photoshop this shitter compared to 99c for the guy on all kinds of shit to look amazing in the flesh.

>>27223958
>and he is 100% drug free because....he says so?
because he's small

>>27225118
I'm not sure about John. While has a fucking stacked personal gym and is fucking determined to lift (look at how quick he started lifting again after his most recent surgery), I'm sure he's juiced before.

>>27224532
And? They look good. Not monstrous but huge. I'm ok with that. BTW Hodgetwins don't look more massive than these guys so

>>27226394
>>27226403


A 23-year-old bodybuiler who spends £400 a month on anabolic steroids has revealed how he cannot live without them - despite suffering a cyst bigger than a tennis ball.

Carpet fitter Oli Smith, of Halesowen, West Midlands, claims the potentially-deadly steroids help him have sex until he ‘passes out’, and he can bench-press almost 5st more than his body weight.

The guy that died was someone else, who also looked like shit.

>>27223777
they said they took roids when they were younger.
ONCE YOU HAND IN YOUR NATTY CARD YOU CAN NEVER GET IT BACK!!!

>>27226529
see
>>27226333

This guy heavily uses steroids.

>>27224093
Isn't that Blaha inspired website? I wouldn't trust what he says. According to him you have to be 20%bf, 240lbs just to benchpress 3 plates for reps.

>>27224149
I dont' know about that. Pesonally I believe luimarco is using. He just doesn't have the genetics of guys like Luke Guldan and Lazar Angelov.

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>>27223777
>They said it themselves.

>>27224193
Yeah test prop and insulin(yes this arrived really early but wasn't really abused til the 90's).

>>27223869
adie pls go

>>27226458
You dont even need to bulk and cut when youre a fitness model faggot, leangains works and has research to back it up and you typically become a fitness model AFTER youve made your gains

>>27226717
Way different jawline, summer friend.

>>27226934
Bulking and cutting is the only way to make good gains in either direction in a reasonable amount of time.

Recomping works but its slow as fuck.

Captcga Bicycle Sioagen

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>>27227521
>natural
>bulking and cutting is way to make gains.

yeah, newbgains.

>>27222736
damn. that pic makes him look 260lbs even though he's probably 175-180
>photoshop not even once

>>27223705
>2014
>believing that one cannot get size and cut

You really that new 'round her m8?

>>27225727
fuck that is one unaesthetic tiny penis

>>27228767
its lighting and contrast m8

>>27224093

>that fucking website

Apparently every human being with muscles is on steroids.

>>27223801

Zyzz never said he was natty. I thought he was pretty open about his steroid use.

>>27224558
jesus fugg those forearms

>>27226684
>slim waist
>slin
shiggy

>>27225002
You can get way more shredded than that in a much shorter amount of time by simply doing HIIT. People these days assume that when someone is "shredded" that they had to use drugs to get there. No, you can get shredded and retain all of your muscle mass by simply incorporating HIIT.

>>27229082
There is a difference in using insulin to optimize muscle growth and abusing it to reach monster status.

>>27225727
Shoulders, arms, calves, side abs not included.

>>27228767
I'm 187 lb 5 11 how come I don't look like that? 13% bodyfat

I'm guessing he's atleast 210

>>27224660
>>27224710
Samefag? Either one clueless newfag or two.

>>27226333
He looks natty

>>27229002
No, just the ones that rival professional bodybuilders of the old (aesthetic) times. If that's not a compelling argument then what is? Link me to a "nattyornot" judgment you think is false. I've just read a whole bunch and the main argument is always the comparison to a professional bodybuilder who was known to be on roids. And that's airtight. There is no way someone could now get to a size that noone on Earth managed to get to without roids for decades of body building. Routines haven't changed that dramatically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wctl-0iYdEQ
this is the natty limit

>>27225371

don't blame him because moby is a faggot

>>27225683

>7 years
>less of a dead than myself after 2 years with a bulging disc

dude you're fucking up somewhere you look a lot better than me but your strength is shit

>>27225683
unless youre a supermanlet thats really shit stats

>>27225727
How can you do SS for 36 months?

>>27229745
you repeat the program every week for 36 months

???

>>27224373
Jeff pls go

>>27229544
>Link me to a "nattyornot" judgment you think is false.

The part where they said that Dan Green uses SEO is full retard.

>>27230547

There is no they, it's one person with a website writing about random things

>>27224532
You know... You are right, on /fit/, out in real life, you're wrong.

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>>27222585
Yah but he settled for this.

>>27226169
>9gag

>>27222705
He even said recently he feels like he cant gain anymore ;(

TFW latsbrah is practiacally at limit.

>>27223484

that's not tiny

>>27224823
He looks like shit, even for being natty.

>>27230930
His wife looks like someone that would tell me to check my privilege.

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>>27230930
>>27231520

HE'S NOT WITH HER CUZ SHE'S 10/10

HE'S WITH HER CUZ SHE CAN TAKE A MEAN POUNDING

>>27231818
What is this fat fuck doing?

>>27224532
god damn, it's time to do some fuckin roids

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http://www.leangains.com/2010/12/maximum-muscular-potential.html
This article has some examples of guys at their maximum muscular potential as "Natty" lifters

>>27231913
Also a good breakdown of what can be expected for lean mass for the non roided amongst us

>>27223705
lol there is no way in hell the hodgetwins are natty

they eat 1500 calories and 25g of fat to cut and maintain on 2500 calories. clearly they are using steroids.

are the hodgeniggers natty

>>27223470
3 months? What a faggot, just one week on SS GOMAD is enough.

>>27223984
Thanks for posting this, anon. I was looking for this pic to post.

The thing is, even these guys are abusing drugs like insulin at the very least.

I do think you can get bigger though if you didn't also have to be like 6% bf. Cutting that hard really makes maintaining muscle a challenge.

>>27225644
Top kek m8. 7 years.. 7. It barely looks like you lifted for a year.

someone archive this thread due to the amount of natural info

>>27225644

i look better and lift more than you with 9 months of natty lifting, you must have been a wisp in the wind when you started. Or you're just lazy.

>>27223378
Ottermode with very low bf%?

This is my goal bod

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This is the natural limit
5'9 @ 180 pounds ~7% bodyfat.
You can probably add 2-3 pounds to that if you gain more mass in the chest area but this is clearly natty. Anything bigger is using drugs.

>>27222585
Yeah he is just magically the biggest natural in the world when he trains like shit.

>>27232661
Not that guy but post before and after pics.
It depends where you start. A guy who is 160 pounds going to 190 pounds is a lot different from a 126 pound guy going to 190 pounds.

>>27223470
post a picture of yourself :)

>>27224088
I can't wait to see fronk at the end of his cut this year. he's been bulkin for 2 years since this picture was taken. I saw a post where he said he expects 10-15 lbs more muscle at the same bf as this pic

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>>27232770
Sandow mode is my goal. He made me realize that you don't need gear to get joocy delts.

I only wish that I found out about him before I started lifting. My chest is already too big and I with it would atrophy.

>>27233394
did you ever think about cutting back the chest exercises you fucking retard?

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>>27233424
yes, that's what I'm doing. What made you think I wasn't greatly reducing my chest work, you blithering idiot?

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>>27223747
>natty
>on skooma
Wanna know how I know you're an outlander?

>>27233443
i was just making a joke post m8

>>27228855

You do realize that's larger than average, right? Being more muscular makes your dong look smaller

>>27233585
That's a tiny penis.

>>27222705
That JOOCY fuckin pale orc is like top genetics and natty limit

>>27233606
its flaccid you fucking shit troll. Plus he's right, the more muscular you are the smaller you dick will appear.

>implying you can tell how big it actually is by how big it is flaccid. My dick is 7" and it seriously changes sizes a LOT. I actually sometimes wonder wtf is going on. But flaccid I doubt u'd ever be able to tell.
>muh grower not a shower
>muh shower not a grower
etc etc.

wtf

>>27233394
except test levels back then were in the 2000+ levels. now youre lucky to have 800

>>27233574
welp you hurt my feelings by calling em a "fucking retard" so I wanted to reciprocate. Doesn't feel good, eh?

>>27233648
>test levels back then were in the 2000+ levels
I hope you're trying to ruse me. There was no way of measuring testosterone levels back then. I'm not even sure if they knew about testosterone.

>>27233679
of course there is no way of measuring. but we do know that 100 years ago they were between 800-2000 on average. now it is 300-1000. so i just scaled up slightly

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>>27233655
i dont feel anymore breh.

>>27233645

>I am frustrated because of the size of my penis

Okay.

>>27233821
i could care less. If my dick was 5.5" I still think I woudlnt care

>>27224660
yea well he says in his videos for the first like year or 2 he didn't know wtf he was doing and fucked up loads, mostly from failing bulking and cutting

>>27232747
>ottermode

you are fucking retarded l0l

>>27224511
Which one's 'Calum'?

>>27223770
>tfw no skateboard squats with special friends

>>27233898

so is it smaller than 5.5?

>>27233679
He is saying the truth. Even 40 years ago it was almost 2x what we have now.

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>>27232804

haven't bothered to update it for a while