Menswear F/W 2017/18

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>>12157401
Some more from London

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>>12157429
Best show yet

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>>12157435

Excited for paris, sort of confused when it starts though. Looking forward to issey miyake men specifically

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>>12157439
Dries has me very excited too, FW16 and SS17 were amazing

Is A McQueen part of Paris this year?

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Last one for now

How do you look at these shows? What background/ what information do I need, apart from the designer/house?

God, Dolce&Gabanna was a cringe fest
Sicilian cowboy was my shit last year but i couldn't stomach that faggot singing and the uninspired clothes

Also ACNE's video for their f/w is very, very cool

>>12157465
Just follow something like FF channel on YouTube or the Paris menswear fashion week page on Facebook

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I really liked this Moschino collection even though I am normally not a fan.

https://nowfashion.com/isabel-benenato-menswear-fall-winter-2017-milan-20908
easily my favorite collection for fw17 so far

>>12157449
this looks sick

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oh boy am I going to buy all of this

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>>12157816

>>12157407
post-terrorwave

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>>12157816
Can't decide if i like the shoe or not.

>>12157407
looks like a fucking clown now

>>12157448
those shoes look amazing

>>12157468
all of dolce & gabbana's shit is soooo seasonal
it gets old instantly

>>12157431
Absolutely abhorrent

Dummmy le dormer really has gone down the tubes since selling out hasnt he

>>12157590
Loved this so fucking much

fuck runway shows unless RTW shit, concept peices etc are for nu-males. Show me the retail pieces.

>>12158023
kill yourself

Are these models even alive

>>12157968
????
the one right under it
>>12157433
looks fucking great

what are you talking about

>>12158023
these are ready to wear stuff m8

>>12157401
Amazing

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>>12158023
>its only art if its a painting from the 18th or earlier centuries

>>12158023

It's all ready to wear unless you're a coward

>>12157431
I don't know about best ever, but I really liked it

>>12157590
I like it

Looks a lot like yohji though

>>12157383
what are these sneakers ?

>>12158053
It all looks awful

balenciaga is so tacky i like it wtf

>>12159498
Its fucking sick

this thread fucking blows lol

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>>12160214
honestly not a huge fan of demna's balenciaga

the runway show's are fun but for the luxury price the clothing is really not that sophisticated / wearable

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>>12160220
also who the fuck would want to wear a kerring sweat lmao

maybe it's ironic but sure as heck not worth the pricetag

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I liked valentino a lot

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>>12160226
this coat is really beautiful

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>>12160090
discussion fashion on effay does feel like shouting into the wind lol

>>12160239
*discussing

>>12160224
It's literally the DHL shirt just for Balenciaga

>>12159490
Upcoming collab with that chick who makes deconstructed sneakers

>>12160239

its because there is no discussion, kids on here don't know how to look at fashion and analyze it in the context of the real world and the industry, they just comment on it like hypebeast comments

its why u get abhorrent comments like >>12160220
>>12160224
like what the fuck is this nigger even talking about lmao

>>12157455
>>12157449

love this

>>12160220

the sneakers though. I would do anything to get a pair. except pay of course

Does anyone else get worried when they feel like they just came up with a creative way to dress (although admittedly likely subconsciously picked it up from someone else/a fashion show) then see it displayed in a runway show...? I mean worried like "shit is everyone gonna dress like this now?". How correlated are the big F/W runway shows with how people actually come to dress in the F/W?

>>12158023
FUCK YOU MODERN ART IS ART

Opinions on Julius show. Personally felt it was a let down and that Tatsuro lost the plot somewhere over the last 2 years

>>12160226
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>>12160232
valentino is gonna blow up like gucci

Pierpaolo Piccioli is really shining

>>12160364
Stop taking yourself so seriously, you sound insecure as heck

>>12158023
Uh mens fashion week is only ready to wear collections

>>12160537
See I normally like Valentino's collections but I thought this one was fairly lacking and boring.

>Louis Vuitton Supreme collabs
Jesus christ how awful

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>>12160737
Gotta get on that Hypebeast money
https://nowfashion.com/louis-vuitton-menswear-fall-winter-2017-paris-20732
Probably amazing fucking publicity stunt for both tho

>>12160737
I actually think they nailed the collab pieces they did to actually work with the rest of the collection bar the blatant red with logo as seen in the picture above.

>>12160780
True enough but the show itself was kinda fucking shit, derivative of other brands and basically only thing catching eye was that, yes, it says SUPREME on those purses!
It's like they are stepping down from the 'high fahsion' altogether with this to the currently very popular border between street and high fashion.
Granted they probably need a face lift but this is just not the best way to do it in my opinion.

>>12160789
Yeah I would agree, everyone is after the youth market Gucci have but at least they are doing something. Compare that to Prada who showed a boring collection that was extremely safe. I also thought that most of the pieces in LV singled out where solid.

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>>12160224
These shoes are fuckin next level dadcore. If dadcore shoes could evolve, it would be these shits at the final stage. Straight up supervillain dadcore shoes.

>>12160827
Yeah Prada was bad
Surprisingly Versace wasn't as awful as I thought it would be, nothing really popped or amazed me but I think in Versaces case that's a good thing to say.
And it's not that LVs show was bad, but I'd just rather pick every item they showed from some other designer who did it better and earlier.

>>12160916
Fair, and again I agree.

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>>12160916
prada was disappointing i miss fw12
versace was okey not as gaudy as usual but still meh
craig green was great though

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>>12160976

>>12160963
Yeah Craig Green is great, I've said it before and I'll say it again, he is easily one of the most interesting up and coming designers in the game right now.
BBS, Walter Van Beinerdongk and Issey were all pretty cool as well.

>>12160994
Craig delivered his best show in a few seasons, definitely one of my favourites as well. Haider Ackermann and Rick where also great.

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>>12157817
really great, good taste boys

Is there a video of the Issey Miyake show up yet? or a livestream video on demand

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Yohji was pretty fucking cool once again

>>12157391
Those trousers look absolutely perfect

Currently waiting for the Dior Homme Winter show this weekend, does anyone know any details on how to view it?

paris when?

>>12161320

Someone dump?

>>12160342
How do you analyze it?

>>12161385
Got to Nowfashion or Vogue

>>12157383
>going on /fa/
>caring about fashion
top

I'm excited for Raf, and Commes Des Garcon Shirt
Trickster has losed his mind

why is everyone hating on Prada? I see it and see so many easily wearable pieces. Am I approaching fashion critique wrong?

shame on even Dries is jumping on the meme bandwagon with ironic labels

>>12161438
>Trickster has losed his mind
Have you seen his last couple shows?
The evolution seems very organic, he obviously moved on from the apocalyptic nature theme of WALRUS and MASTODON but the collection was still in line with those. The big pants don't look out of place anymore, they look natural and compliment the silhouettes. The puffer jackets and how they are tied and distort the body is clearly grotesque on purpose and playing with the proportions even more. GLITTER obviously hints towards 70s and disco culture, probably again the over the top fakeness of it all after organic 60s, all this is very in line with plasticky looking overalls, the puffers, distorted proportions and massive pants.
And honestly if you actually look at the individual pieces there is lot of wearable stuff there and we can't even see some of the pieces clearly because of the over the top styling, he tied those puffers to place with tees.
People keep saying it's somehow completely mad collection but to be honest it's anything but, if you like it or not is different thing altogether.
>>12161908
It's just boring, it doesn't offer anything interesting and just seems lazy. It's all very easily wearable and the 70s influence is there but it doesn't even look Prada particularly, it's very disappointing.

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>>12161945
was supposed to post this, favorite look from Rick show

>>12161945
>>12161955
I don't know man, you make very good points and maybe i'm an ignorant faggot, but it just doesn't work for me anymore. I love some of the individual pieces (like that coat in the pic you posted) but i feel Rick has devolved into shock value and gimmicks more than aesthetics per se. The whole penis showing and models carrying models and KILL ANGELA MERKEL doesn't help either.

>>12162161
>it just doesn't work for me anymore
Personal taste is fine, doesn't need to work for you, I was just generally commenting the general reception of the collection.
Personally I just want to see SS18 already, I feel like he is starting to get over the puffer phase now with the over the top CDG styled body morphing stuff, interesting to see where he moves next.
>The whole penis showing and models carrying models and KILL ANGELA MERKEL doesn't help either.
I loved all of those shows honestly, wasn't massive fan of this one but it will be easier to judge when we get to see the actual individual pieces.

>>12157806
those shoes are almost hard to get your head around but they're neat

>>12162208
What?

>>12160232
>>12160230
>>12160226
G O R G E O U S
Really classic but really boyish too, i love it.

>>12161945
what is Prada supposed to look like?

This thread is cancer

>>12157465

None

Look at them and read the reviews if the collection interests you

>>12157590

Steaming pile of straight garbage, you have ass taste

>>12159488

No it doesn't you have ass taste

>>12160220
>>12160224

Stfu
Just Shut The Fuck Up
Please

>>12160364

Yes, ignore the other faggot I feel you, this happens more if you're very aware of what's going on right now, part of the fashion forward crowd but not exactly on the cutting edge or leading that crowd. If you look at trend forecasts it makes alot more sense, how things have progressed to where they are and how they will grow to be something else 1-2 seasons later

It's tricky, adopt things you like but find a way to put your own spin on it so you are walking parallel to those trends

>>12160537

No it's not
Shut The Fuck Up

>>12160916

Shut The Fuck Up

>>12160994

Shut The Fuck Up

>>12161320

No it wasn't
Shut The Fuck Up

>>12161908

No you aren't, keep doing what you are doing

>>12161945

Shut The Fuck Up

Conclusion : You guys need to know when to Shut The Fuck Up more

>>12157435
HEY ITS THE SSENSE BOI

IS HER

DARE I

SAY


/OURGUY/ !?!?

>>12162699
fuck off wimp

>>12162765

Shut The Fuck Up

>>12160342
>also who the fuck would want to wear a kerring sweat lmao
>like what the fuck is this nigger even talking about lmao

I'm talking about the fucking kerring sweat he's wearing. Why would you want to be a walking advertisement for some holding company? Go ahead, analyze a kerring sweatshirt that will probably cost 1k "in the context of the real world and the industry"

> abhorrent comments like
> the runway show's are fun but for the luxury price the clothing is really not that sophisticated / wearable

everything in this show is ill fitting as fuck. I get the idea of 'beautiful ugly things' that demna has made his brand but spending full price on this shit is almost as bad as SLP.

Also
>its because there is no discussion
why the fuck don't you discuss then? instead of typing some bullshit that isn't related to the clothes.

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>>12162699
>>>12159488
>looks like yohji
>No it doesn't you have ass taste
hmm

there's no yohji influence here?

hmm

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>>12162811
yeah definitely no yohji influence here

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>>12162816
what was I thinking?

>>12162800

>Why would you want to be a walking advertisement for some holding company?

Fashion has always been and especially in the last few years of everything becoming extremely accessible (in terms of product and information) about signaling / projecting your belonging in a certain crowd. "High Fashion" has become too accessible and democratic, 14 years olds know about brands like Margiela and Vetements which were not meant for them in the first place. "Fashion" has become unfashionable in the last few years, and many fashion forward consumers are always looking to adopt the next thing that 1-ups the masses who begin to adopt elements of their dress without the proper understanding of context and the poor execution that follows. You see this everywhere, people talking shit about brands suddenly not because they think the brand sucks but because they want to identify themselves as "non"-brand xyz, because they dislike the people who have become associated with it. The Kering sweater allows for consumers who have been feeling like this to channel that desire into an easy purchase, a hoodie, something you don't have to think about how to style and put together a coherent fashion "sentence" using the right vocabulary to signal the same thing, that is, "I know what is going on". Your average young adult who sees all fashion including high fashion in the same way he looks at streetwear which was his foray into fashion isn't aware of the structural / corporate operations of the luxury industry, doesn't know what Kering is. People who read BoF and keep up with industry publications do.

That is what it is in the context of the real world and the industry, and for the many real high fashion consumers living their lives and absorbing what is going on around them, it will most definitely be "worth" it. Your commentary on the value of luxury goods is shallow and has no footing in the real world. That's not how it works.

>>12162800

Again, your commentary is very shallow and "it doesn't look good to me" has no footing in the real world, it only does in internet fashion way of looking at things.

Why do you assume that luxury clothing needs to project sophistication and "wearability"? Do you not realize that in the world today, "luxury" is much more an experiential idea? For some, luxury is the ability to project a not-so-seriousness, an off kilter sensibility that is still grounded in convention, and clothing that is "unwearable", that is, much more unique in its design and could not be found anywhere else / is not widely accessible to a mass audience.

Your ideas of cut are quite behind the times, to anyone who has been paying attention to fashion in the last 2 years, this collection should make perfect sense given the timing, almost genius. Beautiful ugly things is also a very shallow way of examining it, so no, you don't "get" it. Again, your commentary on value is shallow and means nothing. "Man I can't believe people with different financial situations have different standards of spending according to their financial means in relation to their lifestyle! Surely anyone else who doesn't align with my own ideas of worth and value must be an idiot, and "bad"!

I am discussing now

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>>12162819

No, you fucking retard. Just because it's black and oversized doesn't mean it's influenced by Yohji. Maybe in the 80s but those elements have been around for quite a while, risen and subsided many times since. You cannot accredit it to Yohji today, and the fact that you do shows how limited your understanding and awareness of fashion and designers is. Do you even know how / when this designer started, what the zeitgeist was at the time, and how it stands today in relation to today's zeitgeist? No you don't, that's why this steaming pile of trash looks good to you, and the only connections you can draw are "black baggy = yohji". I don't even follow Isabel Benenato but am more aware of what the fuck is going on with that shit than you. It began as one of many extremely derivative body of work during the time the artisanal / gothninja counter movement was reaching its peak, with garbage ripoffs of Rick's staples and vocabulary. It is still going today, having moved into a generic vocabulary of loose drape juxtaposed with sharp and restrained cutting, presumably because there was no real substance or message to begin with. The world has moved on, stylezeitgeist is dead, those dudes are old and wear slp and prada now like real adults. I've been wearing Yohji since I was 18 before you even knew about fashion so don't even start

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>>12162861
saving for later reading material when i'm taking a shit

what do you do in the industry btw

>>12162819

Yeah what were you thinking you fucking mongoloid

You remind me of this fucking retard from a while ago who said Rick and Raf were really similar because Raf had done monochromatic black tailoring in the late 90s and had some oversized black looks in Waves FW04

>>12162836
This sums it up: fashion isn't fashionable.

Spending a lot on your clothes is for Russian oligarchs, Arabs and 18 tear old Chinese brats. The irony of the desgn allows 'cool' people to buy and still feel superior.

>>12162864

I'm not in the industry but I think I've almost sucked enough dicks just need 2 or 3 more

>>12162867
You seem a lot smarter than me when it comes to fashion, or at least know enough to have hard opinions on it. I'm genuinely curious, what do you usually wear on a daily basis?

>>12162869
are you /fa/scist faggot?

>>12162836
>People who read BoF and keep up with industry publications do.
This might be true. But wearing a this sweatshirt just to signal that you read bof is pretty lazy imo. It's also important to keep in mind that the
>14 years olds who know about brands like Margiela and Vetements
can't really afford it anyways. The price point is just too high. The bigger issue comes with brands like Gosha, where his basics were priced way too low and then hypebeasts went and devalued the whole thing. The Vetements brand has lost a lot of goodwill because of pieces like the DHL t-shirt [ which as >>12160247 said is pretty analogous to the Kerring sweat ]. It wasn't 14 year olds wearing the thing that got people tired of it, it was the idea that Vetements was able to sell such a banal corporate logo shirt for as much as they did. The shirt generally understood to be a rip off, and I don't see how some Kerring graphic sweatshirt is any different.

I get that people are willing to pay a designer markup for ugly clothes that look like they came from ross but with luxury fabrics. But that doesn't mean that I have to completely love this / want more from a house like Balenciaga

>>12162836
vetements was literally made for youth

>>12162699
Where could i read reviews? Is there specific writers on the subject you would recommend? I'm new to this and you sound like you know what tou're talking about

>>12162861
Yohji is the biggest influence on menswear silhouettes right now . Just because that loose draping has become mainstream does not mean he isn't the core influence
>because there was no real substance or message to begin with

Oh, like a $1000 logo sweatshirt of a holding company?

I much prefer clothes that attempt to look nice versus simply
>oh I have cool people like lotta cosigning my brand, I'm going to make pointlessly edgy proportions that will look retarded in one or two seasons

I've shopped at dover before and vetements is hands down the worst thing they stock. In hand it feels like the over hyped trash it is.

>>12162876

I've cycled through a ton of shit and ended up at gildan sweaters and thrifted jeans for now so I can stop being a fashion fag for a bit and get laid

>>12162883

No I just come here every once in a while when my life sucks to talk shit so i can feel better about myself

>>12162886

I don't have enough autismal rage left in me to argue the fine details of this but No

>>12162887

It was made for demna & co.'s demographic, not for teenagers

>>12162867
please stay and make /fa/ great again

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jw for loewe was amazing desu

>>12162897
>It was made for demna & co.'s demographic, not for teenagers
youth =/= just teenagers

teenagers other than chinese exchange students at uni can't afford vetements

the 20 something fashion demographic is what's really eaten the brand up

>>12162890

Vogue Runway should have reviews for everything
Luke Leitch is good as is Amy Verner from time to time but it doesn't really matter
Tim Blanks is now at BoF doing reviews so if the background of a collection interests you it might be cool to read 2 different perspectives from Vogue and BoF
Nowfashion does some reviews too but not very worthwhile
Suzy Menkes is an industry favourite http://www.vogue.co.uk/person/suzy-menkes-person
Although I don't really read her stuff so don't know if she has a fresh perspective on what's going on
Cathy Horyn too believe she's at NY Mag or something now
Angelo Flaccavento's pieces at BoF are always a pleasure
Charlie Porter although he covers alot of different things not just fashion
Alexander Fury but he is a leftist cuck lol!

You don't "have" to read anything just read what interests you

>>12162699
informative critiques

>>12162918
what are your thoughts on Hedi era Saint Laurent and Vaccerello

>>12162896

Too lazy to refute this but the fact that you think Yohji is DIRECTLY responsible for the main trend in mens silhouettes right now is proof of how fucking retarded you are

You think Yohji invented the idea of loose fit, and that anyone who conceives the idea has to have sourced it directly from Yohji's body of work? Where the fuck do you think Yohji sourced his ideas of it from? Oh right, the same thing that fashion designers source inspiration for everything from, culture and real life.

You are a fucking retard. If anything Vetements & co. have been hands down the biggest influence in menswear silhouettes, and if you believe otherwise you are simply wrong, but I'll tell you where you're going wrong, you're looking at a very small part of the picture and because of that its importance and significance in the bigger picture looks much more out of proportion to you than it really is. My advice is to look at more shit

I don't know why you are trying to respond to critique with (non)critique. So you acknowledge that isabel garbage is trash? Ok great. That's all there is

I much prefer blah blah ok dude but the whole point is that you can have your preference but to have any real engagement in fashion and the real world you gotta be able to understand the wide dynamic range of consumers and their patterns / motivations and appreciate the products that give those different demographics what they want, to see the "good design" in that itself, not simply in its aesthetic or form that may or may not align with your personal preferences. This is the "internet fashion" way of looking at and (not)talking about fashion.

Ur analysis of Vetements, again, falls flat for this same reason. It has no place in the real world, it's an internet fashion teenager's way of channeling his own insecurities instead of actually looking at and caring about the industry. It's an opinion that is exclusively aware of the holder's peers and insecurities instead of considering DESIGN.

>>12157448
i'd wear the coat on the right

>>12157455
god damn

>>12162931
I like you. You have strong opinions on things and can back them up with well-thought out arguments. You simply typing on this board raises it's quality immensely.

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>>12162931
please tell me why this is ok and actually going to sell

>>12162896

Also I assure you your ideas of "quality" and the hand of fabrics is a standard that exists as a projection of your assumed expertise in fashion, not grounded in any experience. You don't know what "quality" is, you saying "it's not ***quality***" means absolutely nothing.

>>12162917

Idk what you're trying to say sorry

>>12162928

Hedi absofuckinglutely killed it and single handedly forced the entire fashion industry to take his erect cock up the ass

Common internet fashion critique of slp : its ridiculously expensive and not worth it! same shit every season! i don't like it because elements have trickled down to how popular kids in my highschool dress and they don't know anything about fashion! I know about fashion, I browse 4chan's fashion board! Fuck those guys and fuck slp!

Real life commentary on slp : jesus fucking christ what a genius it's insanely hard to create something that commercial, that wantable, imbue classic staples with an elusive feeling of cool, i might not like it personally but i can't deny that it was a glorious body of work that defined the times

Vacarello idk first collection doesn't look too great hoping he has something more up his sleeve

>>12162887
nigga its 1000 for a hoodie, 98% of teenagers dont even want to spend that on a car

>>12162931
>Ur analysis of Vetements, again, falls flat for this same reason. It has no place in the real world, it's an internet fashion teenager's way of channeling his own insecurities instead of actually looking at and caring about the industry. It's an opinion that is exclusively aware of the holder's peers and insecurities instead of considering DESIGN.
BTFO

>>12162836
is there a reference to this in the prada collection, said to be "at the edge of generic"?

>>12162950

Because it's cool ok I can't make you understand why it's cool I would have to take you 2 years back in time and walk you through step by step making sure you're looking at and absorbing all the same references and looking at all the same shit as I am if it doesn't look good to you right now you're just not with it sounds like a bullshit reason but that's what it is

You guys need to learn that opinions can be wrong, i know we were taught as millenials to respect everyones opinion but sometimes u just gotta be told to Shut The Fuck Up, Mane

>>12162953
I guarantee you that most street wear kids
today would rather spend thousands on a hoodie over buying a car

>>12162931
>You think Yohji invented the idea of loose fit,
never said that

>you think Yohji is DIRECTLY responsible for the main trend in mens silhouettes
well he's been doing that silhouette forever, become super well known to the mainstream thru y3, and is often cited by young designers as one of their biggest influences. So yes, no shit others have done looser silhouettes, but he's the best at it and been doing it the longest (at least among popular designers today).

>to see the "good design" in that itself, not simply in its aesthetic or form that may or may not align with your personal preferences
lmao.. we're on a fashion board, we talk about what we like and don't like. I don't pretend to a lecturer at csm. Obviously vetements is important to the wider industry, obviously balenciaga wants to tap into that youth ethos to seem more current. The fact remains demna said he wouldn't even buy his own shit; he markets to the fashion sheep who like the young DIY culture of the brand, which is fine, but again it doesn't mean the clothes themselves are worth it.

>If anything Vetements & co. have been hands down the biggest influence in menswear silhouettes
jfc. Vetements repopularized the ideas of old margelia. lotta does a nice job styling but that doesn't mean the ideas of the clothes themselves are new

anyway at least you know more than the average effay user, but you seem to be drinking a little too much of the fashion kool aid. the trend towards styling not design, of which there is no better example than vetements, is making designer clothing pointless to anybody but the rich and lazy.

>>12162951
Hes saying "Youth" encompass more than teens, 20 somethings are 'youths' too, you queer

>>12162951
>a glorious body of work that defined the times
holy shit lmao

>>12162990
but demna does wear his own clothing you fucking idiot

>>12163003
he's right, show me a bigger label than saint laurent from the last 5 years

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>>12163012
>you fucking idiot

this thread makes me want to kms desu

>>12162990

Just Shut The Fuck Up

I skimmed over ur post though "y3 = mainstream awareness / young designers (who? do u know the current generation? nobody is into yohji lol all of these points just show how skewed your awareness of what is important and real in the mainstream are, NOBODY is fucking looking at y3 runways and thinking yo that's dope, or yo that has totally / is defining the zeitgeist of the times. The fact that you were somehow able to make the connection of yohji > y3 > mainstream > yohji in the mainstream completely baffles me simply because this is not real and never happened, only happened in ur misinformed view because that's all you were ever aware of LMOA

demna said he wouldn't buy his own shit lol!!!!! ive seen like 10 hypebeast nignogs say the same shit as an attempt to somehow discredit his work. did u even read the interview he said that in? he was talking about how he's not the type of person with a lifestyle to be making luxury purchases of that sort, he prefers basic comfy shit, this doesn't mean that he thinks his own work is bullshit and not "worth" it, it is just a matter of litestyle which is true for many designers, does that make them hacks and liars, does that discredit their creative vision and standing and influence IN THE REAL WORLD? they are smart people and definitely have taken advantage of their exposure because who the fuck wouldn't, but if you've been watching vetements from day 1 like me the progression makes total sense and they did not establish the label on a false premise, trust me they are not taking the piss out of the industry as much as everyone thinks they are, it is more like they are taking the piss out of people by doing something gimmicky with no real meaning then seeing everyone scramble to find some hidden message behind it

vetements margiela LOL LMOA just shut the fuck up man. shut the fuck up. i have no more words for u. Shut The Fuck Up
Man

PS. Shut The Fuck Up

>>12163015
>glorious
is the key word. Hedi got everybody dress like an SLP drone. That's not such a good thing unless you hate individuality and think that designer fashion should be more trite and homogenized

>>12162993

I know idiot I said vetements wasn't meant for 14 year olds, guy said vetements was made for youth (14 year olds), i said it was made for demna's demographic (20 something hip lifestyle oriented people) and he responded by saying yeah 20 something ppl are youth too basically agreeing with me so reading comprehension is lacking on their part

>>12163003

Shut The Fuck Up

>>12163021

You just proved his point u fucking retard he says right there he wears his own shit

>>12163024
seriously, you're the only person outside of the fashion press / wealthy asian exchange student demographic that thinks vetements is as great as you've been told it is.

congratulations, I guess

>>12163030

Just thought I'd reiterate 4 u

>Common internet fashion critique of slp : its ridiculously expensive and not worth it! same shit every season! i don't like it because elements have trickled down to how popular kids in my highschool dress and they don't know anything about fashion! I know about fashion, I browse 4chan's fashion board! Fuck those guys and fuck slp!

>the whole point is that you can have your preference but to have any real engagement in fashion and the real world you gotta be able to understand the wide dynamic range of consumers and their patterns / motivations and appreciate the products that give those different demographics what they want, to see the "good design" in that itself, not simply in its aesthetic or form that may or may not align with your personal preferences. This is the "internet fashion" way of looking at and (not)talking about fashion.

>Ur analysis of Vetements(SLP), again, falls flat for this same reason. It has no place in the real world, it's an internet fashion teenager's way of channeling his own insecurities instead of actually looking at and caring about the industry. It's an opinion that is exclusively aware of the holder's peers and insecurities instead of considering DESIGN.
>internet fashion teenager's way of channeling his own insecurities instead of actually looking at and caring about the industry. It's an opinion that is exclusively aware of the holder's peers and insecurities instead of considering DESIGN.
>internet fashion teenager's way of channeling his own insecurities instead of actually looking at and caring about the industry. It's an opinion that is exclusively aware of the holder's peers and insecurities instead of considering DESIGN.

TLDR ur insecure and need to Shut The Fuck Up, Man

>>12163037
>>Common internet fashion critique of slp : its ridiculously expensive and not worth it! same shit every season! i don't like it because elements have trickled down to how popular kids in my highschool dress and they don't know anything about fashion! I know about fashion, I browse 4chan's fashion board! Fuck those guys and fuck slp!
>>the whole point is that you can have your preference but to have any real engagement in fashion and the real world you gotta be able to understand the wide dynamic range of consumers and their patterns / motivations and appreciate the products that give those different demographics what they want, to see the "good design" in that itself, not simply in its aesthetic or form that may or may not align with your personal preferences. This is the "internet fashion" way of looking at and (not)talking about fashion.
>>Ur analysis of Vetements(SLP), again, falls flat for this same reason. It has no place in the real world, it's an internet fashion teenager's way of channeling his own insecurities instead of actually looking at and caring about the industry. It's an opinion that is exclusively aware of the holder's peers and insecurities instead of considering DESIGN.
>>internet fashion teenager's way of channeling his own insecurities instead of actually looking at and caring about the industry. It's an opinion that is exclusively aware of the holder's peers and insecurities instead of considering DESIGN.
>>internet fashion teenager's way of channeling his own insecurities instead of actually looking at and caring about the industry. It's an opinion that is exclusively aware of the holder's peers and insecurities instead of considering DESIGN.
more autism than I've seen on this site for a while.

>>12163035

Why do Chinese people make you feel so insecure? Holy shit man how do u even live in the real world like this do u clench your butthole everytime u walk past a moneyed chink in designer shit that triggers an internal dialogue about how much better u are then them?

How fucking autistic are u why are you so insecure?

I literally tell u how I am gauging the "good"ness of fashion and where u are lacking in that regard and all u can tell me is "man chinese people make me feel insecure"

Why are you so obsessed with them? Seriously man this is sus as fuck, if you're a teenager it's understandable but if you're 20+ living in the real world u got some real issues to work out my man

PS. Shut The Fuck Up MAn

this is the best thread on /fa/ in years

>>12163044

Shut The Fuck Up Man

>>12163049
>How fucking autistic are u why are you so insecure?
>Why are you so obsessed with them? Seriously man this is sus as fuck, if you're a teenager it's understandable but if you're 20+ living in the real world u got some real issues to work out my man

what the fuck are you even talking about lmao

>>12163057

Ur mums vagina

Whats the point of these? Literally nobody is ever going to wear any of this? Whats the point of having a fashion show showing off these clothes then?

>>12163063
99% of what goes onto a runway is completely wearable

>>12163063
lol are you lost

>>12163069
>99% of what goes onto a runway is completely wearable

I'm completely serious right now, have you ever seen anyone wearing any of this stuff irl:
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>>12157455

Imagine walking down the street dressed up like this, you'd have people talking pictures of you to post online to make fun of you later. These look like costumes for the first three star wars episodes, not something that you would wear irl..

>>12163084
holy shit lmao

the point is never to replicate a full fit. grab any single one of those garments could be easily worn

>>12163091
Ok, that makes more sense.

Never thought of it that way though to be honest, that changes everything.

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>this fucking thread

>>12163049
i agree with you, Shut The Fuck Up Man, these 4chan pseudo racists aint shit

>>12163104
>these 4chan pseudo racists aint shit
you must have literally never been in an urban area if you don't understand the truth to the asian hypebeast / wealthy exchange student stereotype. Head to toe in gaudy ass moschino slp vetements and givenchy, that type of shit.

I'm not a racist though. 2 of my best friends are Chinese. lmao

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>>12162836
this is some pretty good analysis
thanks for this

>>12162836
I really think it's more of a critique on the corporatization of fashion and culture, rather than
>oh I'm cool and read bof and know about holding companies
doesn't make it worth the price though

>>12163131

Sure, but I was talking about why someone would want that / why it may appeal to fashion consumers because the guy i was replying to was saying "who would want that"

which already shows u gotta l2reading comprehension, but again read wht i said about "worth" in luxury, etc

idk why the fuck u guys think prices need to be "justified" or something u know companies exist to make money then more money after that? lol wtf

>>12163134
>idk why the fuck u guys think prices need to be "justified" or something u know companies exist to make money then more money after that? lol wtf

Price has a lot to do with fashion.
>art show has kerring sweatshirt critiquing corporatized culture and fashion
or
>brand sells bootleg kerring sweatshirt critiquing corporatized culture and fashion
cool

>big fashion house sells kerring sweatshirt critiquing corporatized culture for $1000 that goes right back to that corporation
>pretending to have significance but really being some superficial bullshit designed to separate the fashion hivemind of their money
kinda sick desu

This is actually a pretty common critique of demna - you can't really pretend to be an outsider anymore when you're now part of one of the biggest companies in fashion

>>12163186
>Price has a lot to do with fashion.
another example of this is the dhl t-shirt
its almost identical to the one you can buy off their website, except it becomes commentary when people are spending $250+ on it

>>12163197
True- it's just that it seems kind of insincere when the commentary also involves you making lavish profits. The people that bought the shirt were part of the joke, which is a very bizarre customer - brand relationship

>>12163134
I have a fake vetements hoodie. How do I wear it without falling into the
>Your average young adult who sees all fashion including high fashion in the same way he looks at streetwear
category?

>>12163208

That's where you're wrong, there was no "joke", they just made it cuz they felt like it and it was a relatable part of their lifestyle, which makes total sense as they are definitive of the now, where references and visual imagery are being shot at us at light speed left and right and there is no time to process things, just slap it on something tweak it and go. he said they used dhl for alot of their logistic operations but they were always late with shipments, etc. so they were like lol we should put it on a tshirt

they werent trying to make a joke the joke is that everyone read into it too far

>>12163216

shove it up ur urethra

>>12163229
Im fucking done lmao

Never has there been a bigger vêtements apologist

>>12163261

its not apologist u fucking retard, its the opinion of someone whos been watching it literally from day 1 when the first season was covered on wwd 3 fucking years ago and has kept close tabs on them and seen the progression to where they are and how they position themselves and understand how they work

not retards like u who only became aware of it in the last year after it blew up and only hate it because hypebeasts and chinks wear it and they make u feel insecure about urself idiot

idiot

>>12163282
kanyesadinavetememehoodie.jpg

>>12162973
>You guys need to learn that opinions can be wrong
Yeah, like your opinion that shit actually looks good.

Does vetements have a show this time around or is it just balenciaga

>>12163299

Shut The Fuck Up you stupid Nigger

>>12163308

They now show after mens and before womens around couture week

>>12163321
You forgot your name, faggot.

>>12163282
Rude

Also not sure why you assume you're the only person on this site that knows anything about fashion. Been watching their shows since fw15 and have always enjoyed lotta's styling but maintain that the clothes themselves are generally mediocre.

Now can you just take some of your own advice and
>shut the fuck up faggot

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>>12163339
Bro, why you hef to be mad? Is only clothes

>>12162836
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>>12162861
You are telling other people to shut up and you post shit like this
Turn off your computer for a change and go read a book or something

>>12163084
These aren't as out there as you make it out to be. It's still quite classical tailoring. You should also make a difference between what the average small town American wears daily when going to school or their desk job or grocery shopping and what someone a little richer and metropolitan might wear for an event, theit shitty hip art or media job, just going out in the evening or anything that justifies dressing up. I'm sure you'd get laughed at for dressing like this at Walmart but no one would look twice in London, Tokyo, New York or Berlin.

junya p dissapointing

>>12163583
True, some cool individual stuff but overall I was expecting a lot more.
To be honest I was expecting more from Yohji as well but he still delivered, not a big fan of the embroidered stuff and text on his clothing though.

Man I'd love to drop a grand or two on the Supreme, but Supreme don't care about us normal people.

Cunts dont respect the working man.

Cunts dont care about the sleeping child

Cunts dont care about the non-celebs

Cunts only care about themselves

These cunts got me tired. All I want is to look fly, why is that so hard?

No online drops? Cunts gonna force me to spend half of my money on a flight to camp out for a slim chance at copping?

Fuck off cunts.

>>12163618
lmao.

Why do you like supreme?

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>>12157431
Agreed, it was so good.

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i liked OAMC nice materials, clean and calm, nice colours and patterns

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>>12163434

Shut The Fuck Up Fucking Subhuman Retard

>>12163966
You blame others for not criticizing properly yet all you do is write text walls that say nothing but "I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU" and add tell everyone expressing their opinion to "Shut Up"
Everything you wrote in this thread is basically full of shit, hope you feel better though, seems like you are venting something.

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>>12163972
Shut The Fuck Up

>>12164009
seek help for your autism

it was bad enough trying to defend hedi with your pseud "I kno all about da industree" crap, but its time to fuck off and stop posting

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>>12163972

If you can't see I'm right you're a fucking retard so guess what

Shut The Fuck Up Retard

Your opinion is wrong and its shit just like you

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Loved the Issey show.

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>>12157391
W2c boots?

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I think pretty much everything today is quite nice, apart from Givenchy. I really like this

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>>12164536

most of this clothing looks fucking awful

i can't stand you mouthbreathing sycophants who pretend this shit looks good, or pretend you're in some higher echelon where you "get it"

if you disagree, give me one situation where you could wear these clothes and not look like an absolute retard. no, some "imaginary high fashion in-crowd party" does not count

>>12164575
There is no 'higher echelon', just people with different taste
People buy these clothes and wear them, there is nothing more to it

>>12164575
>give me one situation where you could wear these clothes and not look like an absolute retard.
any time in a city like NY or London

>>12164575
Yes in this thread but, i have a feeling you don't like runway fashion in general because you lack perspective

>>12164575
>imaginary high fashion party

Uh you mean you don't have friends in the industry?
You don't go to gallery openings or events like that? You don't wear avant garde clothing in your daily life?

Wow you sound boring

>>12164622
It is this kind of thinking that causes people to think that supreme wearing mouth breathers are on par with the greatest designers of the last thirty years

The democratzation of fashion was a mistake

>>12157388
Damn I kind of need me that coat... Probably a solid 1k out of budget though

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Loving the paper-bag waists Haider have been doing lately!

>>12162320
>comes to a fashion board on the internet
>complains about actual fashion discussion

>>12164939
Is nobody here going to discuss Gosha? They had a pretty good collection this season. Loved the setting where it took place, and he seems to be fresh with new ideas. It will be a great year for him

>>12164945
There was already a thread about it

I really enjoyed the show, but it was all styling and no design

unf ann d makes me want to start wearing lipstick :3

>>12163024
lmao are u trying to say theres no connection between vetements and margiela. this whole thread has been cancer jesus

>>12163116
while saying that you have friends of that race to prove ur not racist is dumb saying that a group exists is not racist lmao, ur rite there a lot of international students mainly at universitys that wear only hype beast clothing and are usually more upper class.

>>12164945
His shows make me want to wear a scarf. But I don't think I'm confident enough.

>>12162951
Idk slp under hedi was just clothes for straight males

It was pretty lame man

>>12165359
you just proved you don't know what you're talking about

shut the fuck up

>>12165361
So it wasnt lame clothes for straight dudes? Who was the target market then? Who wore the clothes? Hahaha fucking fa these days hahahaha

>>12165361
hes right tho you know

i mean, you had to be a super skinny waif to wear them, but SLP under hedi was very conventional

>>12165391
>clothes for straight men

wtf does that even mean?

stfu

>>12165397
They were sexual clothes for heterosexual men i don't really see how thats hard to understand do you not know what semiotics are?

>>12165243
>while saying that you have friends of that race to prove ur not racist is dumb
No shit I was kidding
See the
>lmao

>>12165412
you're trying to come off smart but you're just making yourself look stupider with each post

>>12160976
That based Lexas Alcantara look

>>12165469
>" shit on SLP as much as the next guy for being boring, derivative, overhyped etc.
>but i can appreciate how their clothes help straight dudes express their sexuality through their clothing,
>sure it's a very white/european variety of male sexuality but it's a step in the right direction at least

>it feels like most of menswear has a serious fetish for utilitarianism (influences from workwear/militaria/athleticwear) and concealment through heavy layering
>so it's kinda cool to see otherwise unadventurous, "normal" straight dudes feel comfortable in drapey silk shirts, skintight jeans and pointy boots,
>especially since fashion as an expression of sexuality is almost a foreign concept in even the more esoteric sides of menswear"

Right im trying to seem smart by offering up the most basic critique of the most basic brand in menswear when you're typing out paragraphs of nonsense and telling people to shut the fuck up

Good troll got me to respond

>>12165519
i just don't see why or how you're bringing sexual orientation into this, it makes zero sense. just stop.

>>12165530
??? Uh have you ever looked at a slp runway or their clothes ever?
Theyre sexual as fuck dude you telling me dressing like a heroin addled rock star has nothing to do with sex appeal?

>>12165535
no

saint laurent isnt strictly made to appeal to straight guys, what the fuck does that even mean? no gay people at all are into tight jeans and silk shirts? what a fucking retarded point

>>12165544
Oh boy you have so much to learn

Hahaha

>>12165552
but you know i'm right sooo

you guys tell me if this is a good idea: id like to design a pair of pants with THREE LEGS, itd be a statement piece, a sexy funny insinuation and a practical storage space, d'ya think it has 'legs' as an idea? x x x

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>>12165584
>THREE LEGS
sry m8 but you are a bit late Thom Browne already did it

>>12157817
Lol he looks like the critic in Ratatouille

>>12164778
I live in NYC and no one wears this shit. Fuck off.

>>12157383

This is not menswear. Fuck off faggot.

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>>12166558
Are you saying this is womens clothing?

>>12166549
lmao maybe not staten island but in manhattan most of these clothes would look normal

>>12167638
no they wouldn't lmao

>>12160374
TERRIBLE
ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE

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>>12165421
sadly we communicate in text m8 so most connotation is gone with the wind

>>12167638
i'm not in this fight but no they fucking don't. have you even been to manhattan? most people wear normie shit

>>12157495
The clover on the front is kinda bothering me. The way the leaves sort of follow the shape of the breasts looks a bit silly.

>>12157812
I could see myself wearing this. (Though not as well) .Some good outfits in this thread.

>>12168364
>most people wear normie shit
Obviously

But that doesn't mean that people will think you're strange for wearing a valentino coat, a lemaire sweater, yohji trousers, etc.

Brands make plenty of retarded pieces but I wasn't saying you should wear full Craig Green

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These are pretty solid

>>12162953
i mean you're probably close
but that leaves like all the kids of anyone in the 1%

even that's too much
but realize that the kids that are buying vestments aren't just buying a hoodie. They're going to walk in with mama and papa and little precious is going to get 4 hoodies a t shirt and some sweats
because all his friends wear it

it's the same shit as the adidas trend for but for rich people.

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>>12167638
I lived in Manhattan for 15 years and Brooklyn for the last 3 since I had a kid and only on a few occasions at museums or weird clubs have I seen people approaching this level of dumb-dressing.

>>12169525
Please fuck off to r/streetwear or something if you think yohji lemaire issey valentino or balenciaga qualifies as out there or 'dumb dressing'

I thought stfu man was cancer but somehow you're worse

>>12164924
Colour looks awful though. Hating this newfound love for mustard/yellow

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Kris Van Assche killed it with Dior Homme.

>>12169867
Disagree, thought collection was trash for the most part. Interesting suiting that's about it.

>>12169600
I'm not fond of reddit or streetwear, thanks. You can go fuck yourself with this season's opinion, pal.

>>12165233
What, there's no connection between vetements and margiela, at least what I know of.
Do say why if you think there is.

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>>12169867
yeah it was a fun show

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/ourguy/ we out here

>>12163122
im surprised she got casted as a model, just looking at her face. not very current model aesthetic

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>>12170149
Demna and six other members of the Vetements team worked directly under Martin for years, I wouldn't be surprised if they had worked on Margiela's spring 2001 show.

>>12171231
not op but that pic is from the fall 2001 show

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>>12171271
Oops my bad- well, anyways the Vetements team probably worked on a ton of archival and iconic margiela stuff before they left

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I fucking love Thom Browne, how can one man be so based

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>>12169867
>2017
>not being futuristic cyberpunk elf David Bowie
get with the program

this thread

>>12171305
haven't read this whole discussion, but source for this pic?

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Demna didn't work under Margiela, he was there for 3 years in the late 2000s after Margiela had left. It's not known whether the other original members worked during the original Margiela era.

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Again, source?

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Vetements FW14

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Balmain was disgusting as always

>>12171231
denma was a teenager in 2001
i doubt he worked on the 2001 show

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>>12171792
ugh

>>12171353
kva is shit
theres a reason his own brand failed

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>>12171803
Really enjoyed y3 overall actually

And I don't usually enjoy athleisure

>>12171794
lol

new thread

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>>12157448
the contrast between the models faces makes me confused

>>12160214
this is a really peculiar face
I dont think i mean that in a positive manner

>>12171835
models these days are really not that attractive

>>12160742
>no flip flops

>>12160374
It was a huge joke. I was left feeling extremely confused. It's a complete departure from Horikawa's aesthetic.

>>12160994
BBS was one of my favorites this time and last season. He's done a good job sticking to his kind of industrial dystopia look and honed in on specific aspects for each season. SS was the whole desert theme with AW switching to icy mountaineering shit. I'm curious whether the boots are actually gonna come with removable crampons or something.

>>12171792
>somewhere in china a fuccboi comes violently

>>12161945
I was gonna post something along these lines. You can definitely see the evolution from season to season. It feels like he's building toward a future collection that is a coherent synthesis of the past few seasons. As you said, he introduced the wide pants earlier so now they aren't so jarring. The puffy jackets are the equivalent for this season, especially with the way they were styled. I'm expecting great things to come.

>>12163116
What's your problem with people that fit that stereotype?
Why does it bother you so much?
Yeah it's gaudy but it's just how they've been raised.
New money Chinese businessmen throw money at their kids to buy all the latest fashions, cars, and status symbols as a way of projecting the wealth of their family. Middle aged Chinese dudes are not gonna walk around in Zanotti and Vetements, they're gonna wear nice suits. Letting the kids show off is just another way of aggrandizing themselves.

>>12171803
dope Lang ripoff...

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>>12171937
>there is nothing wrong with new money fags flaunting wealth

go back to >>reddit you bootlicking fuckhead

it's lowclass and embarrassing not that you would know anything about that

>>12160214
hahahahahaha i love that denma used like 10 black/non white models as a way of deflecting past criticism but he made them all ugly fucks
if anyone criticizes him they're blatantly exposing their own racism just like they did when they expected him to make a political statement in the first place

he's brilliant

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you are literally the worst tripfag on 4chan
you are worse than the autistic mexican who shitposts in all caps

think about that for a second you autistic fuck

it's even more pathetic that you dropped trip because someone told you that slp sucks dick

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>>12171937
Can confirm. At University all the Asians wear hypebeast clothes. They also have healthy relationships, unlike white students. I always see Asians paired up boyfriend + girlfriend like middle school. Often chubby dudes with cute skinny girlfriends both wearing supreme-type shit lmao.

>>12162735
whats up mac

>>12172477
yeh now you mention it this is true...all the azns are in couples lol young white guys/girls hate each other so much, down with the patriarchies! lol