No waywt thread? Les go

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ye lad

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me ft. my cats

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>>12073757
if you dont reply to this post calling me an attention seeking faggot your mother will die in her sleep tonight

>>12073757
>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

nice fit btw ur a qt

>>12073760
i like it.

Id on jeans and tee?

>>12073778

Thank you.

Levi 510s. The tee is just a generic-ass Gildan tee with a nice rose patch.

>>12073786
thanks

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Rate my fit :^)

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>>12073812

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>>12073812
Lookin' good, my man!

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Been a while boyos

>>12074060
you don't really look like Elias. The shirt style and fit is nice, but the cut of the pants is weird, the socks shouldn't be white, and shoes are kinda "high school orchestra concert"-core. Plus, the "messy hair" could.. i dunno. frame your face better? its a little pompadour ish.

It's not a bad outfit, i guess, but it looks like a knockoff version of someone else.

>>12074060
hair looks more unclean than messy
also wear black socks not white socks

>>12073760
Attention seeking faggot

What, im paranoid

>>12074081
To be completely honest I wasn't even thinking Elias when I bought that shirt or wore it the first couple of times and then I tucked it in and realized it was pretty elias-core, I could feel you on the pants cut and white socks tho I'm not the biggest fan, this was for the most part a super lazy fit

>>12074093
Agreed, I'm thinking I need a cut soon. Will probably go yung leo bc I don't wanna go undercut and buzz probably wouldn't work on me

>>12072393
I really don't want to be that guy but this looks awful, shoes are good but pants and undershirt make you look like you are trying karate. Maybe switch it up and try different colours

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thots rodies

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Same day

>>12072416
this guy is stylin'

>>12074421
who'd you steal those clothes from

>>12072393
I thought you were an asian woman at first.

>>12074421
w2c jacket

>>12074409
what boots are those?

>>12072393
why tf did you size up so much on those dickies

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just call me big boi daddy fat sax

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Only the finest Ben Sherman, Levi's 511, and a pair of Chelsea boots

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bought these for a good price

>>12074480
You must be black

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

>>12074437
Vibram Military Steel Toed Boots im pretty sure.

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot
Nice nails femanon

>>12074409
w2c jacket and shirt

>>12074555
Alpha Industries jacket idk the model but its discontinued, and the shirt is just a teen suicide shirt idk if they still make it.

>>12074555
you can get the shirt on run for cover records' website

>>12074459
Dude your coat is like 8" too long to not look retarded and still the arms are too fucking short. Do you have some actually retarded proportions or is it just 2 sizes too small and meant to hang to the ground?

>>12074409
would look so much better if you weren't fat

>>12074976
man cmon im 160 5' 10" im trying but my builds just naturely larger. I could definetly stand to lose 10 pounds though

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>>12075050

>>12075050
dope

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rick
rick
drkshdw
rick x adidas

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

>>12075643
i thought you were gone you fucking faggot

>inb4 "lul youre so poor xDD rick 4 life!!"

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>>12075759
lul youre so poor

>>12075643
Would look a lot better with some basic footwear the rick x adidas looks v clumpy

>>12074409
I dig it

>>12075765
holy fucking shit dude

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I have to clean my shoes

>>12075009
Then lose it, it's really not hard

>>12074710
I really like this

>>12075050
wtc pants

>>12075767
i disagree, i think they complete the look

>>12073760
> attention seeking faggot

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Booooring

>>>12072384
Pretty awkward
>>12073760
You're good, textbook normcore stuff
>>12074060
Idk if this style really fits u, but it isn't bad, pretty good actually
>>12074466
Ooowwnlee tha phoinest black peepuhl clothes you can buy ;-)
>>12075827
SoundCloud producer/20
>>12076945
Yup

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>>12076965
Silly me I forgot the connected photograph

>>12073760
immunity cat ;)
but you're still an attention seeking faggot.

>>12074421
what are boots?

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot with a lot of (you)s

>>12074421
nice jacket, w2c?

>>12073760
Attention seaking faggot

>>12077001
R.M Williams
>>12077386
>>12074435
Thrifted, sorry boys.

>>12074421
my nigga desiigner wit the heat
rrraaaa

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

>>12074421
wow black guys saves waywt...but seriously nice outfit

>>12074710
w2c jacket?

>>12073760
you are certainly an attention seeking faggot

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Impulse bought these crazy Y/Project jeans before work today but gonna return them

>>12074060
your legs are too short faggot

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welcome to my messy room

>>12073757
i like your jeans
>>12074710
what is that ring?
>>12076971
tuck in ur shirt but nice :^)

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Tommy Bahama makes the best Hawaiian shirts out there, cry in envy

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Fuck you all have my mall tier fit and shit on it. Yeah I wear fucking Nike frees they are cheap and comfy as fuck.

>>12079804
Also if you guys want me to rate your style I can but I doubt I'm qualified. I don't believe in high fashion, just color/texture coordination and whether an outfit fits you personally.

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>>12072384

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>>12075050
Really like this, though it might look better with a different boot.

Lazy Christmas Eve fit ft. the gf's doggo

>>12079810
Yeah man you look good. Best fit in this thread other than mine :^). Sadly body proportions are important as fuck when it comes to whether you can pull shit off or not. Also true that those light shoes are kind of out of place since you aren't wearing a light shirt, and that jacket definitely calls for some sleek black boots, like black leather cheals

>>12079592
you need those hba boots laser

>>12075050
boy or girl ?

>>12072393
autist meme shit. for real do you even life? :(
>>12072419
nice bait?..
>>12073757
I miss high school :( also those loafers are seriously homosexual unless that is what you were going for. ALSO its fucking winter why are you trying to show off your ankles?... learn to dress seasonally.. come on clothes should be practical first and foremost... fuck
>>12074060
please seek drug dependence treatment you look like you're about to die but I guess that's your aesthetic which you do decently. I would avoid you irl though
>>12074409
good if this is your aesthetic but to everyone else in the world you come off as an edgy try hard and you are a little too bulky to wear those boots.
>>12074421
You're black you can wear anything and 80% of the population will think you look good. Stop it with that retarded expression though you insecure try hard faggot.
>>12074459
you are not big boi :(
>>12074466
Idk what aesthetic you're going for because all 3 pieces don't match. casual winter boots and an untucked shirt would change that, so work on developing a coherent aesthetic. It is hard.
>>12074480
Nice fit?...
>>12074495
You're both racist and retarded. White people literally invented boots.
>>12074710
Cool thrift outfit. If you are a chill mellow person I dig the aesthetic. If you are insecure or too arrogant you're fucked and probably friendless.
>>12075050
I don't understand high fashion fully but you seem to have developed a working aesthetic.
>>12075643
If you actually wear this in public know that people laugh as you walk by. If you were more muscular you could actually be taken seriously. Judging by your surroundings you have some kind of materialism problem and your priorities are retardedly fucked.
>>12075827
normal bro fit but not in a bad way. Jeans little too skinny for your frame tho.
>>12076945
Yes, your fit definitely is. You make white shoes a meme.
>>12076971
Your good looks and nice hair are the only thing that separates you from full sperg

I(>>12079804) gave in. These >>12079871 are my opinions. Come at me bitches.

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What do you think?

>>12079773
Your room is messy because you just spent half an hour trying to find a fit you like. But it makes no sense because you are wearing a sweater but no socks. As if it is winter on top and fucking burning man on the bottom.
>>12079776
Hawaiian shirts are only worn ironically dude...
>>12079808
I don't like streetwear but I can appreciate the loud shoe contrast.

>>12079880
I understand that you asian exchange students have lots of money to blow but everyone outside of that culture looks down upon it. Hella loud and gaudy but in terms of streetwear this is a dope fit.

You selfish insecure fucks better start giving opinions otherwise these threads are fucking worthless as always.

>>12079880
Change the shoes

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does the flannel fit funky or is it just right?

>>12079947
top half looks cool why r u legs so skinny

>>12079990
Do people like the new tubulars? Or are they just yeezy rips

>>12079832
Buy them for me????!

>>12080003
I like them because I have wide feet

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Outdoor / inside church fit. Sry for shitty front cam pics.

>>12079592
nice chelseas. Do the pant crops look weird when you sit down?

>>12079766
stuff fits you very baggy

>>12079773
thick ribbed socks would complement your fit

>>12079776
that looks like an old people color though

>>12079804
good for you. What was it you were looking for on this board again?

>>12079808
nike logo color clashes with the rest

>>12079810
fit complements your physique, colors don't match too well (shirt/shoes mostly)

>>12079880
cries "noveau rich brand whore", but at least the fit is consistent in itself

>>12079947
looks okay from behind, but the SS patches feel off

>>12079953
looks effeminate. Disregard it if you're a gr-grill

>>12079990
that cuff looks like it's uncomfy as hell as soon as you bend your knees

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Thoughts?

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>>12072384

Merry christmas

>>12073760
attention! seeking faggot

>>12079592
Love it.

>>12079953
How you manage to look so girly in a military jacket is somewhat amazing.

>>12080304
Can't see shit

>>12079947
>starcraft
>kpop
>those legs

Kys desu

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>>12079947
wanna be my bf?????

i'm c o m f y

>>12080684
Your proportions look fucked because your legs are too thin/short. Otherwise good

>>12080304
>good for you. What was it you were looking for on this board again

Just wondering how bad I am really doing. What was the point of your comment? All you criticized was my motive not my fit

>>12080684

I agree with >>12080686 on the proportion thing. Change the boots to match the colour of your pants, or wear sneakers.

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Christmas fit

>>12080752
Sell me your camel Hilfiger jacket?

>>12080752

what the fuck are those shoes

>>12075765
w2c?

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>>12080315
v simple but nice. always like old skools in fits like that

>>12079947
wew v nice fit. jealous of those legs tbqh

>>12073760
Test

>>12079881
I live in Florida so rn it's 50s in the morning, 85+ in the day, and 60s at night, so yeah "winter and burning man"
>>12080304
any recommendation for socks?

>>12080773

Lol sorry i love those jackets too much, theyre still at macys for like $99 tho.

They have a hood that fold up into the collar. And they also come in black and navy blue.

>>12080775

You cant see them very well but theyre Y-3 Qasa Boots

>>12079871
You're not as insightful as you think you are, and i don't take your advice seriously.

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>>12080609
>Can't see shit
Tried again. Now the liner makes the parka look fat though.

>>12080704
>Just wondering how bad I am really doing. What was the point of your comment? All you criticized was my motive not my fit
I just had the impression that you were mostly trying to vent some pent up anger about people here and their pretentiousness with high-fash and stuff.

Your clothes fit you okay, that's a good thing. Color combination could be better. The khaki chinos and the tops fit, and the chinos and the shoes fit, but all 3 together don't feel quite right.

>>12080895
Eh, I was assuming the cable knit sweater implied cold weather, not 30 deg C / 85 deg F. If it were for cold weather, I'd have recommended some sort of knitted ribbed socks, but nevermind. Didn't have any particular ones in mind, just check the usual suspects for better basic stuff.

>>12080684
I usually like the idea of slim cargoes, but yours don't work for me, probably cause the thighs could be a bit baggier - see all the crinkle around your knee.

>>12080752
qasa's don't go well with the rest.

>>12080812
black pants don't cut it imo, maybe olive or herringbone would work better?

Merry christmas everyone, I'm beat. Spent like 10 hours in church in 2 days.

>>12074421
you look like the weeknd's shitty cousin the weekday

>>12081190

>Color combination could be better. The khaki chinos and the tops fit, and the chinos and the shoes fit, but all 3 together don't feel quite right.

Thanks for the input, but aren't black /white shoes just neutral and go with anything? Or should I wear some brown leather sneakers or white stans?
Also could I swap out the khaki for some army green pants?

>>12074379
You are quite obviously a very caring individual. Could I persuade you to let me suck yo schlong?

>>12081242
the khaki pants and light denim/grey T kinda suggest a pale color palette, light brown / tan or any other muffled color shoes might complement that best. If you have some casual brown (optionally suede) shoes, go with those.

Khaki and black don't clash per se but can easily look wrong. Furthermore, the sneakers are black and white, making it an unevenly distributed tri-color of neutrals.

If I were to rock nike Frees, I'd put more black/white elsewhere in the fit.

>>12081190
merry christmas, anon!!! xoxo my christmas wish is for you to step on me and crush my ribs with those boots

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Merry Christmas

>>12079813
Yeah, black boots would be the obvious choice. Hadn't worn my gats in a while though and I spent most of the day at home.
>>12080304
Do you think that's because of the grey or gum on the shoes? Otherwise it's just black, white, and red.

>>12081345
>Do you think that's because of the grey or gum on the shoes? Otherwise it's just black, white, and red.

The bordeaux is a fairly strong accent color in your fit and doesn't match the white too well.

>>12081274
all I have are cedar brown leather shoes, white stans, and stone grey/white tubular primeknit runners. How about the dark olive pants tho?

>>12080723
>>12080686
noted, thanks for the advice

>>12081190
>see all the crinkle around your knee.
it's because i had to wear them really high in addition to them stacking on top of the boots. i'll just stop wearing boots with them

>>12081414
cedar brown shoes are better than the nike's in that fit. But it's probably easier to use different pants. Olive might be hit and miss, depends on how the harmonize with the green jacket. worst case it looks like a onesie, semi-bad case it looks like failed matchy-matchy. Just try it out and see for yourself. If you wanna stick with the Nikes, go for dark jeans or chinos.

That's just my uneducated subjective opinion, though.

>>12081374
>yea I skate bruh starter pack.

>>12081444
Truuuu

>>12080812
>v simple but nice. always like old skools in fits like that

Thank u, u look nice too

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Army surp + vintage + hanes + Levi's + Noah x sperry

>>12081290
pants are slightly too tight in the thigh and the boot/pant interaction is bad
love the sweater
I'm wearing a mock neck right now

>>12081190
left is a bit too military/edgy
the coat is too long as well
makes you look stumpy

right is decent but the pants don't fit well and your shoelaces look too long and messily tied

>>12081615
good points. I suppose I could get the pants a bit hemmed and tapered.

I'm afraid the only way to make the parka not look puffy in the middle is to tighten the waist string as much as possible and not put anything into the pockets. I'll also get a smaller size liner, maybe that helps.

Agreed on the shoe laces on the organ shoes, thanks for your input.

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>>12081627
N O T I C E M E
S
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N
P
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Hello guys
What shoes should I buy?

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>>12081886
5

>>12081558
6

>>12081426
2

>>12081374
Jacket is alright


>>12081290
3

>>12081190
5

>>12080812
7.5

>>12080752
4

>>12073760
attention
seeking
faggot

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Xhristmas outfit

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Just normal stuff

>>12082066
based Lukas ily

perfect as always

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

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Got this topcoat for xmas. thoughts?

>>12082480
Fucking love it. Been looking for a similar one. Like your style btw, reminds me of a Tosin Abasi-esque "Modern formal wear" style. Love it. Do you happen to know the price point of it?

>>12082233
^_+ merry christmas!

>>12082499
desu, got it off macys website pretty cheap. they do a big holiday sale this time of year, and my friend had an employee discount. can't give an estimate, got it reduced a lot, i think it was 80$ after everything

>>12082480
hot. i would let you stomp on me too x

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>>12080752
>>12081190

trying the shoes with a different outfit

>>12082553
>topcoat
>skinny ripped jeans
>shit shoes
>manbun

stop

>>12082553
someday you may find your way. until then you're a huge fuccboi

>>12082558

Lol you aint stopping shit

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>>12082553
ur feet look like sonic's

>>12082568
i dont need to, eventually a few years from now when u out grow ur shit fit ull figure it out on ur own

>>12082572

Umm I'll just buy new shit lol?

>>12072393
fucking clown, you look ridiculous and laughable.
>>12073757
bottom half is terrible
>>12073760
stop painting your nail, faggot. you look ridiculous aswell, get a grip
>>12074060
what the fuck is with kids painting their nails? it really doesnt look cool man. also you dont have the body for the outfit, untuck that shirt
>>12074421
not diggin the boots, rest is a-okay
>>12075643
gay, but im guessing youre open about it
>>12079592
unremarkable, trousers look weird
>>12079947
not a fan of the jacket but its decent
>>12080684
not bad, but i wouldnt cuff the cargo trousers
>>12080752
proportions look ridiculous, especially bottom half, everyone can tell you dont know what the fuck are you doing with your clothes
>>12080812
get better fitting trousers, those are too old
>>12081558
decent enough
>>12082066
you look like a muppet

>>12082582

Lol those arent my proportions, I just had my camera way too high on a tripod and its shooting down on me, making my upper body appear longer, plus the high tops dont help with the angle and everything. But I get what you mean.

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I'm on ze right

>>12082597
must feel bad being the families disappointment

>>12082066
Be my friend. What's ur Insta

>>12082598
I'm screaming!!!

>>12082553
I WANNA MOVE HOME FROM COLLEGE SO I CAN HAVE A CLOSET AGAIN

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>>12082602
why are all the children on at night dont u have school tomorrow

>>12082610
Bih I'm 20 fuck u talm bout. I'm on the right in that pic

>>12082615
which right though

>>12082597

Iose/change the jacket I feel like its throwing the outfit off. Other than that, good shit

>>12082620
Any specific reasons for that suggestion

>>12082619
When you look at the picture on ur screen, I'm the Nigga to the right

>>12082628
oh ok. spiffy. you kinda look like ice cube

>>12082622

Maybe its the bunchy stretchy cuffs I'm not liking. The overall wrinkledness of the zipper and collar too

I'd try a traditional jean jacket with buttoned cuffs and what not

>>12082601
lkaus add me =)

>>12082634
Ok I definitely feel that. This is my only denim jacket that's stays with the retro aesthetic, or I would probably do that :/

>>12082631
Thanks :) I think..

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Raf peacoat
raf pants
gosha reeboks

>>12082597
looks good mane

>>12082663
You look super extra, but your rich so it's fine.

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>>12073760
Kys

>>12074060
Height?

>>12074421
Dope

>>12074710
Cool ring my dude

>>12075827
Just throw them out AF1s are shit. Good fit otherwise.

>>12073760
saved in my inspo folder

>>12082754
your shoes look silly with that outfit, but I also think that guy's AF1's look pretty good

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot
very fitting

>>12080752
id on jeans?

>>12080752
Weird face and pose

>>12073760
I'm not a fan of the belt, also take a full pic of your outfit next time so we can see your shoes as well.
>>12074060
Very cool, a undershirt would make this fit a bit cool too.
>>12074409
I like this
>>12074421
Not a fan of the shoes, change and then you're all good!
>>12074459
Overcoat looks weird... Shirt too.
>>12074466
Lose the shirt.
>>12074710
Best fit on the whole thread. saved the pic for inspo.
>>12075827
First pic has awkward layering, 2nd one is better.
>>12079773
Get some tan socks, it make the fit 2x better
>>12079880
Change shoes, don't want to mix shoes with top because then you don't have a clear focus on where to look, that makes the fit messy.
>>12079947
Flannel is okay, just iron it.
>>12079990
very wavy
>>12080304
Don't like the combat boots, and the pants fit look weird.
>>12080315
Can't tell how the whole fit look since you're squating but it's simple and good.
>>12080684
Pls change shoes.
>>12082553
Good
>>12080752
Jeans look very out of place.
>>12080812
Jacket is very large on you but I like what you're going for
>>12081290
Roll up your pants
>>12082066
Nice

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

>>12079810
The hoodie doesn't look good since it's way too long. Otherwise it's sick, good job

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

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>>12079804
>he thinks he can out mall me
fuck out pleb, real faggots coming through

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How do I look, good?

Hoping to pick up grils.

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

kys

>>12082956
looks nice and chill. i'm a big fan of that yeezy colourway!

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

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>>12073760

>>12075643
lol how is this real

>>12076971
pants too saggy

>>12081374
you look 14

>>12080752
You are interesting, keep posting here

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Common as Light and Love

>>12081374
Lurk More and don't fucking post on here. Horrible.

>>12082754
Wow this fit is horrible. You should not be giving out advice.

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Can this fit get a rate?

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Visiting parents for Xmas again. I don't think the pants and boots work well together. Bummer

Inb4 step on me

>>12082754
You're trolling right?

>>12084013
pretty basic but nothing really wrong with it
Like the shoes tho

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

stop bullying my mom

>>12084070
Kids like you make me miss Pigfuck. At least he was entertaining.

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this

>>12073760
Attention seeking faggot

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Rate be /fa/gs

>>12082597
Looking good my man

>>12084013
basic, but some bad color coordination between pants and shoes imo. Have any light color pants?

>>12083962
looks fine to me.

>>12084064
ya look real happy, normie. Have a nice one.

>>12084107
pants look a tad too baggy

>>12084132
do those jogging pants actually keep you warm?

>>12084107
get out

>>12084132
bottom ok, top not

>>12084055
butnr those pants, and u should never have same colour pants n shirt under a jacket, looks like ur in a onesie faggot ahahahhahah

>>12084013
lol

>>12084159
whats wrong with >>12084107?

>>12084165
pants going over shoes,

whole out fit is saying nothing. I mean i guess if someone wore that on the street I wouldnt even notice bnut rly try better

>>12082597
ur head actually looks like a pineapple and that isnt a compliment

>>12084171
pants going over shoes? really? lmao. I agree its plain and doesnt really say anything but thats just nitpicking. post fit, THEN talk shit

>>12084157
They're not especially warm but I'm Canadian and by the ocean so I don't really notice!

i remember you from the /r/streetwear meetup posts

>>12084182

>>12080315
>>12080315
oops

>>12084178
wat dude take ur critism, and post a better fit

no need to start crying lmao pfff

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

>>12084198
im taking the criticism but youre the one nitpicking shit that doesnt matter l m a o.

post fit, then talk shit, pussy

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>>12082582
God Bless you.

Let's set the newfags straight. These threads have gone too far.

>>12084222
hmm if u cant talk the talk, then dont post here? not sure wat ur gettin at

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>>12084159
>onesie
Does that look that much like a onesie? Shame

>>12084237
im saying you probably have zero fashion sense cause i dont see you posting anything. validate your criticism by allowing yourself to be criticized

>>12084055
Might just be bad lighting, but go for some darker pants, maybe beige/sand colored cargo pants, and/or swap the base layers for black so your top goes black-olive-black.

Your dyed parka is looking good! The pilotenstiefel look good too. Keep it up anon.

>>12084227
>too big
um that boy is wearing Yohji AW99 you prick. never heard of /loose/ huh? fuck you.

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wow when did fourchain become facebrook?

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>>12084227
Quit shitposting this image in every god damn thread; I don't like you cunt.

>>12084246
ok lad

>>12084285
ever since replies were visible to every1, not just 4chanx users

>>12084292
>2nd time ever posting it
>getting this upset over a bad .jpg

You're not a schizo are you?

>>12084255
thanks for your input, I'm gonna stick to other pants for this jacket.

>>12084246
>validate your criticism by allowing yourself to be criticized

You should tell that to movie critics! How can they judge a movie if they've never made one????

Oh wait...

>>12084328
let the boy be, his already suffered enuff lmao

>>12084334
nice.

simple, but you immedietly see that the guy has thought about how the clothes fit

>>12084334
>that watch
my fucking nigga

>>12084340
thanks man, it's v comfy

>>12079592
Nice Laser, are those Haider boots?

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

>>12073760
>attention seeking faggot

>>12084301
knock on wood my friend; fuck you.

>>12084334
best fit

>>12084013
bottom half is nice but red t shirt should go

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TFW fell for the buzzcut meme.

>>12081886
Rate pizza face pls!! Mamma mia!

>>12084003
Better than people that don't contribute to the thread. Kys autist

>>12084222
the way a pant leg breaks (or doesn't) is hardly nitpicking. it's actually quite an important detail. even just an inch shorter inseam on your fit would look better. also, I don't think kill shots work very well anymore, but they're fine and inoffensive in a fit such as that.

>>12084841
oops, those aren't killshots, my b. that being said, puma has just as bad, if not worse, branding than nike

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

>>12080315
Hola

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Getting comfo and listening to dungeon synth before I go to sleep

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

>>12073760
attention seeking faggot

>>12082597
this is fucking dope

>>12075050
amazing

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Rate and be honest.

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>>12085381
I should photoshop your picture and put it beside that picture of ye wearing the same shoes and be like

"What people think they look like when wearing the reds vs. what they actually look like"

with yours on the left and his on the right


Anyway that's a bad shirt, good pants.

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should I dye it?

>>12085381
ur shirts too long and those shoes dont match anything

>>12085400
So I look good or nah?

>>12085406
You look average with the shirt bringing it down to sub par, imo.