I'm tired of the shitposting

>>11931879
any cheaper alternatives to church's fringed loafers?

Oak Street Bootmakers
Trickers

Literally any brand that isn't a poorfag tier brand.

>>11931879
>Bally (Switzerland)
I just went on their website and the first thing I saw is them plastering their fucking name on a pair of 600euro shoes. I dont know why you call this label GOAT but to me shit like this puts it into degenerate tier.

What do you guys think when a designer's clothes are made in China? I've been looking a lot more into Helmut Lang and most of the pieces are outsourced now. I've seen threads talking about this on other forums and most people think it devalues the brand. Alexander Wang also does this, IIRC. A few years ago he was in trouble over concerns about whether or not his items are made in sweatshops. Any opinions?

>>11931879
>Bally
I've yet to see a pair that doesn't look like diabetes shoes

Also, Tricker's

>>11931879
>GOAT
>Church's (England)
Lolno, Church's is overpriced shit that's been going downhill since Prada bought them.

>>11934740
>this coming from someone who has obviously owned numerous pairs pre/post prada
>thank you for your insight

J.M Weston is GOAT
180s are fucking magnificent