>110v Why do ameritards use such a low voltage?

Like most other weird shit related to electricity, it's because Edison was an asshole.
At this point it doesn't really matter, it's just a matter of being hidebound.

Edison was a DC guy. Tesla is responsible for pretty much all the AC stuff we have. and 120V is just the right voltage to tickle your prostate using a long carbon rod.

>>1216997
Americans literally microwave water because the voltage is too low for the kettle, converting to higher voltage can't be that hard

>>1216991
For the same reason Europe uses 50 Hz. Because some shithead thought it was a better/cheaper idea at the time and it became the standard so now it's too late to change it.

>>1216991
because 230v is master race metric electric - 110 remains a good imperial number for the last remaining imp race (and contrary claims that Muricas equally retarded cousins Myanmar and Liberia, or whoever the fuck, are also still in the dark ages of international measurement standards, are actually urban myth). As example, the famously progressive regime of North Korea currently has 230v, nuclear weapons, the metric system and a tinpot dictator. Murica only manages two of these. US also had a really shit standard for TV broadcast, despite that being their main form of leisure, free time and exercise (when remote lost) activity. The moral, never let an American declare 'a standard' - they are fuck useless at it.

>>1217006
Wewlad. Someone forgot to tell this guy Americas standard IS metric. Taking a big Ol shit all over his own leg again. Take a look at this retard.

>>1217000
I microwave water because it takes like 30 seconds.
We do also have stovetops, you know.
>>1217006
O B S E S S E D

>>1217008
My kettle boils water in less than 10 seconds

>>1217008
microwaved coffee tastes like shit tho. No really, not even trolling here or anything, its honking. You trust a machine with foodstuff preparation that can fuck up an instant coffee? ISHYGDDT. Buy a farm, or tell them you're from California and need to charge your Tesla or some shit - PowerCos that be maybe make an exception and grant you enough juice to run a kettle.

>>1217012

fuck your kettle!

>>1217014
I don't drink coffee so I wouldn't know. Can't stand the stuff.
I was talking about water for tea.

>>1216991
most north american homes have 208/240v also fyi

>>1217012
im calling bs on that.
post a video start to finish

>>1217001
This.

>>1217006
You're a fucktard.


It changes from America to Canada too. Industrial operating voltage in Americuck is 480, Canadafags 575.

Everyones different. Kinda glad it went this way or we'd have another fucking cartel on our hands when it comes to 110 and up.

Also I have no fucking idea why this waste of a troll killed yet another thread for this faggotry. This belongs in /g as its a tech question.

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>>1216991

>>1216991
Because they can handle the amps unlike euro cucks who can't muster more than 2kva at 240 on their lighting panel and cheaped out on the wire guage like the poor cucks they are.

>120/240v 200 amp masterrace

>>1217037
this

>>1217037
>Because they can handle the amps

But a European Shuko socket is 240V, 16A. That's over 3.5kW from a single socket.

>>1217042
>240
>16 amps

Bwahaahahahaah

Common 240 plugs here are at minimum 30 amps. Try again euro cuck.

>>1217037
>ITT, Muricans forlornly watch their kettles on submarine cables never boil. And pretend the principle of voltage drop does not exist.

>>1217044
>Common 240 plugs here are at minimum 30 amps. Try again euro cuck.
and for applications where you use 240V we go with three phase at 16amps
which gives you 11kW of power
burgerfags btfo'd once again

>>1217007
And where we muricans use the imperial system it's because base 16 is master race, and base 12 ain't too shabby either. Base 10 only seems better to those with a low iq because they need to count fingers to do math. Tell me, what's a 3rd of a meter equal? A third of a foot is simply 4 inches. How about a 6th of a meter? Again, pretty simple to represent in our master race system

>>1217056
yeah stupid arabs with their base ten number system
who the fuck uses that shit anyways?

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110 60hz masterrace

>>1216991
Low voltage is due to legacy equipment. We had electricity while EUrofags were still using gaslight.

It works well enough which is all that functionally matters. Plugs bother autspergers, but autspergers are a fine argument for their own elimination by eugenics.

>>1217012
>boils water in 10 seconds
either you put a spoon of water, or your breaker will shut down if you turn the lights at the same time

>>1217060
In mexico we have the same standards as the US. while I like the simpicity of our Connectors, I have to say that 110 is pretty low, and that the Shucko and other connectors are far more advanced and should be adopted

>>1216991
>Ameritards

>diy board

>asks a faggot question easily googled.

Stau the fuck in the other side of the pond faggot

>>1217000
No, it's because "kettles" are for women, faggots, and retards...

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>>1217007
MY SIDES

>>1217014
Again with this kettle faggotry.

First off all coffe taste like shit. I make a pot a day of strong shit, dump it ina 1 gallon watter jug, and hit it till noon so i dont throat punch a faggot for sayibg something srupid like reeeee muh kettle.

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>>1217015
THIS

>>1217035
Nailed it! Teeth look a little to straight tho and not near big or yellow ebough.

Fuckubg faggot britbongs.

>>1217119
http://news.sky.com/story/us-teeth-worse-than-the-english-yeah-baby-10128510
try again

>>1217056
Cry more burger. Nasa got shit wrecked because of a imperial/SCIENCE COMMUNITY MEASUREMENT SYSTEM conversion error. Don't try to advocate for your medieval shit system used to trick dumb peasants, you only look dumber

>>1217012
>Tfw england has fucking rolling blackouts after some TV shows and events because of fucking kettles

>>1217000
nips have 100v nominal nonpolarized and ungrounded, yet their kettles are superior to britbong shit

clapistanis just don't have electric kettles because the only part of their country that drinks tea is still afraid of the devil's sparks

>>1217143
this is simply not true from multiple angles
meanwhile usa has rolling blackouts and brownouts just because they don't have capacity for day to day life in general

>>1217144
>nips have 100v nominal nonpolarized and ungrounded, yet their kettles are superior to britbong shit

they also have half the country 50hz, the other half 60hz

>>1217054
>11kw

Average panel in Amerifat is 48kw.

Then we go 3 phase.

Dude do you even electricity?

>>1217144

Superior insulated shit is still shit.

If you have 3 kW out of an ordinary socket you don't need insulation, you just heat a cup of water in 20 seconds when you want tea.

>>1217042
I wouldn't run a shuko at 16 amps continuously. I'd rather upgrade to a CEE plug then

Ive lived my whole life in the USA and I have literally never run into a problem where I felt i needed "more power". I run power tools all the damn time, I use all sorts of decent high end appliances, I don't know WHAT the fuck the point of your post is OP. Do you need to poop? Are you tired?

>>1217118
Kettle Master race

>>1217179
Power tools feel like toys at 110v, come to EU and plug those into our superior sockets to feel what you are missing

>>1217193
>not having cordless tools
get with times granpa

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>>1217193
>Power tools feel like toys at 110v, come to EU and plug those into our superior sockets to feel what you are missing

fuck. now I hate america. I wish I could live over there with real power for my tools. I blame trump.

>>1217152
You're either a troll or retarded.

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>>1217021
>for appliances that are permanently connected
>apparently can't trust untrained burgers with things that need to be plugged and unplugged regularly

>>1217044
>common 240 plugs
>common
>240 plugs
I have yet to see a residence with a "common" 240 plug outside of the laundry area. I haven't even seen an aircon wall unit with a 240 plug, ever.

>>1217140
>medieval shit system used to trick dumb peasants
Literally the only reason imperial measures exist.

>>1217152
>usa
>they don't have capacity for day to day life in general
You have no idea just how accurate and broadly applicable this statement is.

>>1217206
*explodes your common household electronics*

but ive wondered if multi voltage electronics (like transformerless wall warts that say 120-240v) would work with 2 phase 240 or if they require 1 phase 240 to not blow up?

>>1217247
>2 phase 240
They should work fine if properly isolated and not using the ground terminal.

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>>1217242
>apparently can't trust untrained burgers with things that need to be plugged and unplugged regularly
>he cant afford more than one plug in his 100 sqft apartment so he has to share it between his dryer and stove and whatever else

>I have yet to see a residence with a "common" 240 plug outside of the laundry area.
>they dont exist!
>except for the ones ive seen existing
also what are nema standard connectors

>I haven't even seen an aircon wall unit with a 240 plug, ever.
because those are poorfag tier (not surprising youre familiar with them). any real house has central air powered from 240

>Literally the only reason imperial measures exist.
or because it was the best unit of measure they had at the time and if it aint broke dont fix it

>You have no idea just how accurate and broadly applicable this statement is.
apparently you dont know how wrong both of your dumb asses are

>>1217247
Yeah multi voltage switchmodes should be fine.

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>>1217262

>>1217175
enjoy your scorched "tea" (2oz tea 3oz milk 3oz simple syrup), the rest of us are over here drinking it brewed at a proper temperature that doesn't need to be mixed 1:3 with cow pus and pure toothrot

>>1216991
Electronics only use between 5-24v so what is your point?

>searching for apartment in america
>3/4 places have only 2 prong outlets
fucking suffering

>>1217276
So long as there is a ground in the cable that was used it's not hard to change an outlet anon.

>>1217278
There usually isn't, that's why they are still two prong

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>>1217273
>Implying

The electronics I work with are too big for this even.

>>1217280
I've seen many times that there were though, ground wasn't required by code at the time but a ground wire was in the nm cable that was pulled.

>>1217287
That's for the power supply though not the electronics downstream of it.

ITT: people who don't know jack shit about electricity ranting endlessly, yet again.

>>1217273
>Electronics only use between 5-24v so what is your point?
>can't into power electronics
>t.digisissy

>>1217278
There are sometimes code restrictions, such as that grounded and ungrounded outlets can't be mixed on a branch circuit.
Also, in some older construction, aluminium wiring was used, which corrodes when under load and in contact with copper, requiring specialized type CO-ALR fixtures or pigtails to avoid setting the building on fire.

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>>1217267

>>1217280
>>1217289
Yeah it's a real crapshoot. The place I'm living in now has 3 prong outlets but no ground connection, and no grounds ran to them at all. It's infuriating. I've been testing outlets at every apartment I've viewed because I've been fucked over in the past by shitty wiring in apartments.

>>1217290
The electronics run at 8kv in this case.

>>1217304
>operating a cell phone or PC at 8kv
>or even designing one to operate at 8kv for that matter

Let me know how that works out.

>>1217307
>only cell phones and PCs are meaningful
>everything else is imaginary
>>>/v/

Higher voltage needs to be stepped down more aggressively for low voltage use, causing more losses, but can use thinner wire gauge for the same power capacity.

>>1217317
How about your cordless drill charger?

>>1217317
Now look here you supreme autist, no one cares about your industrial/laboratory scale electronics as they were not even in the realm of what was being discussed.

>>1216991
We use 240v for the things that actually need it, like ovens, ranges, clothes dryers, HVAC, etc.

We have 110 for everything else, which is a lot safer as far as electrocuting yourself goes.

>>1217325
>implies that actual work is never done in residential settings, ever
>implies that refrigerators and coffeemakers run on Peltier coolers
Get out more, weeb.

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>>1217331
>refrigerators and coffee makers are electronics

>>1217247
Generally works fine. Can even plug them inbetween two legs of 3 phase if the voltage is sensible.

>>1217252
Even with ground terminal is generally fine.

>>1217193
You are sooooo full of shit.

>>1217326
>We have 110 for everything else, which is a lot safer as far as electrocuting yourself goes.
how often do you shock yourself anon?
please consider seeing a doctor, you may have some kind of medical issue causing imbalance? hand eye coordination? spasms?
i work with electricity every single day.
i wear the ppe every day
i take my time, think before i act, double check everything, every day.
last time i had a shock i was 7 years old, jammed two spoons into a 240v socket. took it like a man.

>>1217193
240v tools are still little kids toys compared to air tools on a big 2 stage compressor.

>>1217206
>>1217247
Just for fun you should get some corded 120V power tools and then hook them up to an outlet that the residential electricians powered off a 277V lighting circuit.

They have a beautiful glow.

>>1217338
>not running a reflow oven in your living room

>>1217242
You are a dumb ass troll. Kys.

Go in any house on the street they all have pretty much the same 240 plug.

That "common" enough for ya?

>>1217352
>i wear the ppe every day
And this is why union electricians cost 10 times as much and take 4 times as long for anyone who is curious.

>>1217152
>My ghetto is the entirety of the US
Fuck off with your generalization.

To the OP, I have the freedom to run 220 throughout my house if I want. My large property allows me to generate my own electricity. My guns keep me free. My freedom of speech keeps you faggots awake at night, and my president could kick your queens ass.

>>1217269
...you do know you can buy literally hundreds of varieties of loose leaf and bagged tea in any real city in the US, right?
>>1217292
Isn't that what 4chan is for?

>>1217363
Hillary lost. Go back, shariablue.

>>1217349
The joke is that you'd put 4 times the power through your 110V-rated tools and blow them up.

>>1217356
Worlds fastest hair dryer.

No.. seriously.. some chick plugged her hair dryer into the 110 VAC outlet on the E-3 AWACS... problemo is that is 400Hz.

Many sides were lost that day.

And one hair dryer.

>>1217406
Power is power no matter the voltage.

Stay ignorant, anon.

>>1217426
Hey, are you that anon who was arguing against Ohm's Law a week ago?
I = V / R
P = I * V

>>1217428
Not sure where you're going with this. But hey I'll bite.

You got a point anon?

>>1217430
In the case of a simple load that does not contain regulators, and assuming frequency stays approximately equal in the case of reactive loads, doubling V quadruples P.

>>1217432
Oh you mean the initial inductive kick. Yep. You're right it'll quadruple. Kekekekeke.

But then it don't make it much different from Americuck tools to euro fag tools. From what I can tell the punch on the wrist feels the same. Maybe the American tool have a greater moment of inertia cause of the heavier windings, and the euro tool has more kick with a lighter winding. I just remember using either one and they felt just the same.

>>1217442
You're trying way too hard not to get the joke:
>The joke is that you'd put 4 times the power through your 110V-rated tools and blow them up.
Are you implying that windings are somehow self-regulating, or are you just shitposting?

>>1217276

Da fuck? I didn't know America was THAT third world.

How is this even legal from a safety point of view?

>>1217462
It was legal when it was put in, usually.
Where I live, occasionally there's a house fire caused by ancient knob and tube or aluminum wiring that has escaped renovation for decades.
Same reason there's still houses with dirt basements.

>>1217465

Yeah but how is it legal to rent that shit out? Another Anon posted about ground not being hooked up - that's seriously dangerous since you think your shit is grounded.

Like wtf. America is land of lawsuits you would think they would be on top of this shit

>>1217466
There's a lot of illegal basement suites with no fire exits, etc. Getting a slight shock is the least of your worries. Even little kids and pets can take a 120v shock so grounding isn't that big of a deal.

>>1217466
Technically?
A lot of times it isn't.
Palms get greased, tenants are poor and desperate, and so to goes.
If someone tries to sell a house like that, they're gonna get assfucked 99% of the time.

>>1217469
>If someone tries to sell a house like that, they're gonna get assfucked 99% of the time.

Depends where you live. Here they'd pay you $500k for that decrepit shitty house, bulldoze it and build a fancy yuppie shack that they sell for 2 mil.

>>1217466
Lawsuits are made by the classes of people who can afford them. People renting downscale houses are not of that class.

There is no law that says you have to upgrade a 2 prong outlet to have a ground. There is nothing wrong with a two outlet, to begin with, as long as you are using 2 prong cords. Plugging a two prong cord into a three prong outlet does absolutely nothing more than plugging it into a two prong outlet. Personally, I would rather have a GFCI outlet than just a standard outlet with a ground. Grounds are all well and good and should be present in new construction but there is better technology out there.

>>1217467
>>1217469
>>1217473

That's terrifying :p

>>1217242
My house has a few 240 plugs

What kind of ghetto ass city do you live in?

>>1217152
But it is true???

>>1217269
>Cow pus

Go away liberal shitpost

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>>1217338
>The predecessor of the google car

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_refrigerator#Security

>>1217485
The only time cities have blackouts or brownouts is when there's a ridiculous heatwave, fires, bad storms, etc.
It's rarely because we can't generate enough power, it's because shit got wrecked.
>>1217486
I'm a liberal and I think that dude's retarded.

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>>1217338
In your third world maybe.

>>1217475
>no law that says you have to upgrade a 2 prong outlet to have a ground
Depending on where you live, there may be laws against working on that old shite rather than replacing it.

>>1217484
Detroit, nigga. Got a problem with that?
Sure there's a plug each dedicated for some of the larger appliances, like the cooker, water heater, clothes dryer. There aren't any 240 plugs for general usage and there aren't many things to plug into them if there were.
>tfw bought a $50 step-up xfmr to run $30 chinese heat gun

>>1217491
I'll take the third world, thanks.
>not like we have much choice

>>1217489
Californian here

We regularly have brownout warnings because we haven't built any power plants since the early 90s.

They are such a regular problem that the power company gives you a discount on your monthly bill if you let them control your thermostat to shut off your AC in the heat so that the rich people and businesses can keep their AC going.

>>1217501
Your time-of-use rates are nuts.
You guys really just need to go 1789 on the PG&E home office.

>>1216991
when your continent is paved in solar panels, most of your plugs will be 24V

>>1217507
A lot of newer houses use low voltage DC for the LED lighting in the house. The average person in a apartment really doesn't have anything that needs more than that.

>>1217507

That doesn't really solve any of the problems with dc.

>>1217501
>in the heat
I know anon said 'heatwave,' but still.
The assumedly British anon is talking like it's 1977 New York every day.
England was importing power from other countries and scheduling brownouts to stop blackouts as of like a year ago, weren't they?

>>1216991
>Why do ameritards use such a low voltage?
Why do uropoors obsess over things ameritards do?

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>>1217529
>Why do uropoors obsess over things ameritards do?
Because ameritards compulsively export their own stupidity as part of their muh national identity.

Just some reminders that britfags have the best socket in the world with a lid because they can`t teach their kids not to be retarded and fused plugs so their house can burst in flames anytime for not having a circuit breaker.

>>1217531
just stop importing it

>>1217531
Then you'd get triggered and call for regime change.

>>1217066
ay lmao

>>1217171
but that's the thing, we go three phase much earlier,
pretty much every electric oven/stove for example runs on three phase

>>1217560
seems like overkill to use 3 phase on a gigantic resistor

>>1217570
still needs less copper than 120V at fuckhuge amperage

>>1217574
Except stoves and ovens and shit here use 240v too just not 3 phase

>>1217578
single phase still needs more copper even at the same voltage
btw, that same three phase plug can supply 19kW on a 16A breaker
if your appliance is wired up in a delta connection

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>>1216991
>Why do ameritards use such a low voltage?
So we can afford $1.88 per gallon gasoline.
(< 50¢ per liter)

>>1217442
>Power is power no matter the voltage.
A power tool is usually a few wires connecting to a load with some finite, near constant, nonzero impedance, Z. If you've ever opened up an angle grinder, its just a universal motor in series with a switch across the mains, no smart voltage regulating or anything of that matter; it would just waste more power and cost more to build. The current, I, going through that load is proportional to the voltage, V, and is precisely equal to V/Z. The power, P, going through that load is equal to V*I. From this we can get P=V^2/Z. The near constant impedance doesn't change significantly when you plug the grinder into a 240V wall socket (the only changes are due to the different frequency and/or different motor speed), and since the voltage did change, you're now burning 4 times the power, and therefore 4 times the heat. If your grinder's got a high enough power rating, the windings will take a shit on your grinder, melt or burn their insulation, short together, draw even more current and hence more power, and ruin your grinder before your breaker trips. But seriously, go ahead and try it if you don't believe us.

https://youtu.be/H0n_oBgmB2A

>>1217588

I would love to think that /diy/ has this never ending discussion because of trolling, but some part of me realizes that /diy/ is chock full of autists who know just enough technical information to convince themselves that they are technically literate, while in reality they don't understand anything.

Arguing about 110 vs 240 or whatever makes sense, but as the level headed ones have said, decisions were made and are hard to undo. But the whole "what happens when I take a 110 volt device and power it with 240" is pure nonsense. Why not plug it into the 240000 volt transmission line? You don't because it would be retarded and you would also be in a viral video. But the same stupidity applies to the 110 vs 240 on one particular design.

/diy/ will always be like this, and that's part of the appeal. You can toy with morons when you are bored, and they never stop entertaining you.

>>1217012
If true, then Brussels was right to try to ban them.

>>1217012
and thanks to the superior SI system it is pretty simple to prove your faggotry
a cup of tea requires about 200ml of water being heated from 20°C to 100°C
specific heat capacity of water is 4.2kJ/kgK
4.2kJ/kgK*0.2kg*80K=67.2kJ
67.2kJ/10s=6.7kW
your ten second kettle would need perfect efficiency and 6.7kW of electric power
so unless it runs on three phase that's not gonna happen
on a normal 16A outlet you can get up to 3.6kW which means just under 20 seconds
or more realistically 30 seconds considering that you not only need to heat up your water but the kettle as well
still faster than a microwave though
now I'd love to see a burgerbro do the same calculation in imperial units

>>1217617
I've got 240VAC mains where I live in NZ and you can pull 20A through a socket (though it isn't recommended) without tripping a breaker, giving 4.8kW. But since the sockets are only officially rated at 10A, it's certainly illegal to try to sell a device that draws more. But remember, a heat pump is more efficient than a strictly resistive heater; a heat pump's maximum theoretical efficiency/COP is equal to T_hot/(T_hot - T_cold). For him to get 6.7kW out of a 4.8kW outlet, a COP of 1.4 is needed. Plugging in the numbers for temperature, maximum COP = 373.15/80 = 4.664, so it actually is theoretically possible with a minimum power input of 1.436kW. Not that I think he has a kettle with a compressor inside or anything. But its pleasing to see someone else on this board with physics on his brain and SI in his heart.

If you're calling bullshit on the potential "over-unity efficiency" of a heat pump, it's only a google away.

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>using anything below 400V
Fucking pathetic

You people will argue about anything

>>1217641
>heat pump
that would be a possibility
but I didn't mention it because a heat pump would add so much thermal mass that it would most likely perform even worse than a resistor in time constrained applications
another option would be to fill your kettle with hot water from your tap which would save you about 30K in delta T, but again real world taps take at least 5 seconds to give you actually hot water, compromising your gains

>But its pleasing to see someone else on this board with physics on his brain and SI in his heart
tells you a lot about the state of this board when basic middle school physics receive such a compliment

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>>1217654
>

>>1217658
You're probably right on that one, maybe he uses boiling stones from his fire pit.

On the topic of heat pumps, could it be more efficient to use a peltier device as a heater?

>>1216999
That was his plan from the start

>>1217485
>>1217489
In Texas, when it gets over a certain temperature all electricity becomes free so poorfags can run AC and not die. No black/brownouts even on the hottest of days

>>1217677
Sounds like bitcoin miner paradise

>>1216991
same reason they dont use metric system only
they want to be spacial

>>1217361
Not anything to do with unions
I just like dressing up.
But really ppe or p45. That's the choice.

>>1217048

What kind of dumb fucker uses an electric kettle when gas stoves exist?

>>1217139

news.sky.com Right, faggot.

>>1217204

Why not both?

>>1217276

Try somewhere other than Mississippi.

>>1217531

They hate us cause they anus.

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>>1217779
What kind of dumb fuckers use cars when horses exist?

>>1217790

But gas stoves are superior to electric you cunt. Only welfare faggots here use hot plates and plug in kettles.

>>1217793
Who the fuck uses gas in 2017

>>1216991
>not using three phase in your house to run your mega toaster

>>1217794

A third of the US last year?

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=50&t=8

>>1217796
Wow, US is worse than I thought

>>1217797

Whatever. Go plug in your kettle, faggot. Too bad you can't have butter knives over there anymore, you could butter your crumpet, too.

>>1217796
>[irrelevant citation]

>>1217799

I don't think you know what irrelevant means, autist.

>>1217012
Americans don't drink that much tea.

>>1217800
>ad hominem
expected nothing less

>>1217794
people who want good ovens/stoves

how the fuck am I supposed to sear a steak on an electric stove?

>>1217000
>drinking hot tea

>>1217000

I'm european and boiling with a kettle still takes much longer compared to a microwave even at 220V. A hot plate only heats the bottom of the water volume and you're not even using its entire surface area. What you said is complete bollocks.

>>1217818
Hot water rises and cold stays at the bottom, so all water in the kettle is heated equally, microwave usually heat the cup more than the water

>>1217818
>>1217819

>he doesn't heat distilled water in the microwave to superheat the water so it explodes

>>1217819
>microwave usually heat the cup more than the water

microwaves suck in many ways, but this is not one of them unless you are using a metal cup or some other idiocy. microwaves simply cannot heat a normal dish.

>>1217826
>metal cup
>microwaves simply cannot heat a normal dish.

literally anything that isn't microwave safe is because it absorbs the radiation. plenty of crockery isn't microwave safe.

>>1217842

read it again. concentrate this time. look for the phrase "or some other idiocy".

>>1217588
I fucking hate you dick heads. Yes I took EE too. Yes I know how that works. I do this for a living.

But who the fuck would operate at 2x the voltage?

No one.

It only exists in the books and this is what happens when you overvoltage some motors by 2x.

Torching motors by operating them at 2x the voltage is impractical and a waste of coin.

1 hp motor rated and running at 575 3 phase is the same power performance as a 480v one.

Power is power regardless of the voltage....when your not fucking around.

>>1217842
You do know microwave radiation is non cancer causing right
It's on the same frequency as WiFi and Bluetooth and you could literally build yourself a herf gun and point it at your face and your vessels and eyeballs would explode but you wouldn't get cancer

>>1217178
It might be smart but I surely can tell you that it is not done. Not in real life.

>>1217353
Air tools rock. But boy isn't it inefficient...

>>1217883
Not really. The Compressor motor is probably using less power than a comparable electric tool.

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>>1217560
>>1217578
>>1217574
>>1217570

Ovens and stoves usually are connected with a three phase cable but they are in reality phase to neutral. It's just convincing to have the load distributed over several phases instead of running it on one. But if you have a flat with just a single phase panel then it's just wired in one phase as it uses phase to neutral voltage...

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>>1217888
pic related

>>1217886
My small angle grinderd are 900W. I bet a 900w compressor can't run a pneumatic angle grinder with equal oomph. My big angle grinder is 2,2kW. I bet my small compressor of 2,2kW can't run a big angle grinder with the same oomph as my big angle grinder!

Just check out how much heat a compressor generates. That is wasted heat. Compressing gasses heat them up and that heat needs to go. This is because of physics and can't be avoided. I still claim that pneumatic tools both rock (if you have the air supply) and are unnecessary inefficient powerwise.

>>1217889
That's were i was going but I had no pictures of the finished wiring.

>>1217001
I was under the impression that lower voltages actually meant that the companies providing copper would sell much ticker cables and make an extra buck, all in the name of "higher than 110 is too dangerous"
It makes some sense to a degree, I'm still using cloth isolated, single fiber cables on my 100 year old house

>>1217890
Big compressors definitely use a lot of power but that don't need to run that long depending on your tank size and runtime. A 80 gallon compressor will barely need to run for most tools. You also get way more power at the tool which is more efficient.

And now the correct answer, so that we can close the thread:
The common arc lamp used back then has a forward voltage of 55V. The murricans decided to put two of them in series, we yurops used 4 in series. later most of europe increased the voltage from 220V to 230V.
Thats all.

>>1217908
also: english wiki is missing it https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlebogenlampe#Aufbau_und_Funktionsweise

>>1217000
I'm taking the bait
Most Americans microwave water because they don't drink enough tea (read: don't drink any tea) to warrant getting a kettle, and stovetops boil high volumes of water just as well.

>>1217908
>Thats all.

Well not really. I love old details like this. Why go from 2 to 4? were we obviously that far off? why not 3? did anyone use 3? is there an anti-odd multiple hate that we should address?

>>1217801
well, they wouldn't now, would they?
>cuppa tea, luv?
>WHOO GODAMMN YEEE-HAH!, I'LL HAVE A CUP OF FINE TEA, YEAH!
>oh jolly good - be about 47 minutes till we get this water alibi tepid, that OK?
>FUCKFUGFUGGITTHIRSTNOWGIMMETHATGODDAMN9.5LITRECOKEBOTTLEANDASTRAWQUICKGODDAMNIT

>>1217794
Nat gas stoves are great my dude

>Europeans don't have instant hot water taps

Let me guess, You don't have garburators, Jacuzzi tubs or hot tubs either?

>>1217919
>Europeans have class
This means, we make tea with fresh, delicious cold European water and we NEVER make tea with water out of the hot tap. And we saf don't microwave water for tea, coffee, or indeed general consumption nor any other fucking reason where we can possibly avoid irradiating shit beyond taste either, you fucking abominables.

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>>1217925

I am so lost. I thought the smartest person ever, Isaac Newton, showed that energy is energy.

Or maybe it was that american, Albert einstein.

>>1217826
I use my microwave to preheat plates all the time.

>>1217915
I've used both 110 and 230v kettles. Both heat water quickly, and take same amount of time. Americans don't drink tea... they drink coffee. I'd bet 90% of American houses have a coffee maker. Betting 90% of U.K. Has kettle.

Just because you CAN pull 3.2kw or whatever through your outlets doesn't mean your $20 cheap ass kettle will pull that much with it's 20awg chinesium cord. Put a clamp meter on a 120v and a 240v kettle and you'll see they pull the same wattage.

>>1217930
>energy is nrj
that depends, you can probably speed up your water boiling for tea process (the subject of discussion) to near instantaneous with the addition of elements such as U235. You proably want to avoid drinking the result of that also, but, be hot, at least. The process in food preparation is important to the taste, this obviously a difficult concept for Burgers?

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>>1217914
ok, you're right.
Edisons "jumbo" generator (DC) produced 220V - needet for 4 arc lamps. in this 3-wire net the middle wire is set as neutral, so the other wires L1 and L2 are -110V and +110V.

In Europe we used one wire for neutral and the other wire for 220V - thats all, i guess. meantime the DC generators have been replaced by AC, but they kept the voltages. Also, US- Generators and European Generators are 3~Phases, so you have 3 times +/-110V respectively 220V.

>>1217973
also, i make a guess WHY they used 110V instead of 55: twice the voltage, half the current. maybe it was difficult back then to produce thick (copper) wires

>microwave faster than kettle because 110V main
right... fucking retards

microwave is faster than kettle coz you're only heating one cup, instead of 5, which all brits do just in case company is coming.

it's also cleaner coz you dont get those calcium and shit deposits.

ITT people think motors are all wound the same while arguing over microwave tea.

Hey guys. Should we let the Europeans have this one? It looks like they have us beat when it comes to boiling water. I guess we shouldn't of been wasting time putting people on the moon and focused on boiling water quicker.

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>>1217989
>we wuz astridnauts n sheeeit
oh look, its We Once Put Men On The Moon story time, again. You've had the same amount of manned space flights beyond low earth orbit in the last 45 years as Somalia.
And you still can't make proper tea.

>putting people on the moon

being so shallow you waste a trillion dollars on a useless vanity project. and being proud of it.

>>1218015
it was to demonstrate their long range rockets to the world

>>1217826
>microwaves simply cannot heat a normal dish
Only true if they contain no water, and ceramics all used to contain a significant amount of water, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was some left. And its not like there aren't other molecules with similar excitation wavelengths that could be inside the plates.

>>1217863
>Power tools feel like toys at 110v, come to EU and plug those into our superior sockets to feel what you are missing
>You are sooooo full of shit.
>The joke is that you'd put 4 times the power through your 110V-rated tools and blow them up.
>Power is power no matter the voltage.
Is the conversation. Anon 1 told people to plug their 110V power tools directly into 220V as a joke, telling them they would work much better. Anon 2 responded with extreme doubt, likely unaware of the joke. I responded by explaining the joke, that plugging a 110V tool directly into 220V would pull 4 times the power and fry the tool. Then fucktard over here claims that power is power regardless of the voltage, in direct response to hooking up a power tool across double the voltage.

>>1217973
You can't simply triple the 110/220V, because the phases are 120° from each other.

>it was to demonstrate their long range rockets to the world

we put such a scare on the martians, they never bothered with their imminent invasion.

Murrikans can only power a kettle with 110VAC at 16A max = 1760W. This is slower than just using the gas stove and a pan of water.

UK, 240VAC at 13A = 3120W and enough to boil a pint of water in no time at all.

I am slightly jealous of the Germans though - they have 3-phase available in their homes. So many cool machine tools available at home without having to rent a light industrial unit.

>>1218018
it was an exercise in saving face after the ruskies beat them to literally every other space related milestone.

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>>1218013
>And you still can't make proper tea.
Sure I can.

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>>1218056
I'll raise you one there, Sir.
>Actually Useful Murican Inventions, #1 of a very short series.

>>1218051
Yeah, like knowingly sending someone to die and listening to him cry while he plummets to earth and then covering it up. Russia definitely has the US beat there.

>>1218015
Not only did we put people on the moon we invented the fucking moonwalk. Also you British fucks talk a lot about how "there was no real reason to go to the moon" but if someone mentions mountain climbing your all "we go because it's there, three cheers for sir Edmund Hillary and god save the queen".

>>1218021
Bwahahaha you're right anon sorry I was fuckin wasted i totally shit the bed

>I'm that alcoholic fucktard

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>>1218087
This mystery, is history!

>>1217617
America uses the metric system too, Eurodumb.

>>1217794

They are the best stoves. You have way more control of the heat.

There is a reason almost every kitchen in a nice restaurant is gas stove.

>>1218125
Induction is as good, if you can pump the power into to it. Gas stoves are so good because the element itself has no thermal mass/heat capacity, letting the pot change temperature as quickly as its own heat capacity will allow it, and an induction hob does the same thing by powering the pot through EM. While I'm not sure if you can get the same raw heat output out of a standard induction stovetop, you certainly could build one that could. Of course you do need a ferromagnetic (maybe ferrimagnetic too?) pot, even copper-plated pots don't work.

I remember the last and only time we used the "boost" button on the induction stovetop at my parents' house, we warped the bottom of a stainless pan b a good cm or so. In comparison, my flat's shitty resistive iron hob has far too much heat capacity to be convenient.

>>1216999
DC was around long long before Edison and so was AC.....DC comes from an AC motor with a commutator in it. All these fucking lies and memes about Edison and Tesla......learn the real history why don't you!

>>1218134
Edison and Tesla respectively were responsible for a great deal of experimentation with power distribution systems, not for the currents themselves. Since the thread discusses what different distribution voltages we use, it's safe to assume that Edison and/or Tesla were responsible for a lot.

>an AC motor with a commutator in it
You mean a DC motor?

>>1218134
>>1218154
>Synchronous motor master race

>>1217044
Except that's 3.5kw from every socket, in every room. Not some special-snowflake socket & wiring you have to install to run the "big" appliances.

Things like NEMA 6-15 & 14-30 are an outright admission that 110v outlets are useful for running a lamp and little more. That you call out "Common 240 plugs" undermines your own argument; in Europe they're just "plugs".

>>1217947
>tfw kettle and coffee maker because some people are silly and drink bitter bean juice

>>1217070
I don't see how you could improve on the existing NEMA sockets
I like the idea of a round meme plug with switched outlets but it just seems too complicated

>>1217422
the fuck are they running a power circuit at 400hz for

>>1217491
>a fridge needs to be more than a insulated box with a gas expansion cooler

>>1217475
>have appliance with grounded plug
>socket has no place for the ground to go
what now faggot

>>1217794
>ignite gas stove
>heat is at maximum instantly
>turn on electric stove
>takes 30 years for the element to heat up

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>>1217644
>not using wiejskie gniazdo
ale słabo ja pierdole

>>1218185
allows for smaller inductors i.e. less weight

>>1217422
Hair dryers have 'universal' motors and a resistive load as the heating element.
Why would it care what the frequency was?
>until this is explained, I'm calling bullshit

>>1218233
Values which affect a material's permeability and inductance are often dependant on frequency, I wouldn't be surprised if you got extra hysteresis and core losses with a laminated core made for low frequency.

>>1217957

This is a 40 pound single "cup" (actually fills a mug) boiler/dispenser popular in the UK, it does consume 3 kW.

Twice the voltage means twice the power with the same copper losses, so the Chinesium cord works just fine.

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>>1218246

Oops, this.

>>1218246
>Twice the voltage means twice the power with the same copper losses,

I don't follow this, unless it's that old autistic crap being spewed by people who don't understand electric power.

If the kettle is using 3kw it is using 3kw no matter whether you are operating it off of 1 volt or 10000 volts. The heating element will be sized accordingly.

If you take a particular device and double the voltage and it is a simple device it will consume 4x the power because voltage and amperage will both double.

I'm not even going to address the coper losses and the cord bullshit.

/diy/. where autists play autism games, and goddammit I'm guilty too.

>>1218248

I was replying to this :

>will pull that much with it's 20awg chinesium cord

For the same copper losses in the cord you get twice the power in the device with double the voltage.

>>1218125

>There is a reason almost every kitchen in a nice restaurant is gas stove.

I think that will change once induction hubs with good closed loop temperature control (instead of power control, which is what we have now). The consistency of absolute temperature control will be hard to resist.

Will require some high tech multi-wavelength IR temperature sensing though.

>>1218233
It is bullshit (or OP has the wrong details), as cheap hair dryers typically use DC motors with rectifiers, which would be unaffected by frequency. They'll even run just fine on DC.

The expensive hair dryers use BLDC motors, which are driven from switched DC produced by a rectifier (and probably SMPS). Again, even fine on DC.

>>1218013
>we wuz astridnauts n sheeeit

You know, most of the euro/us dickwaving is petty childish shit I cant abide. But I've got to say that one made me laugh.

>>1218062
>nobody died in the history of the US space program due to bungling incompetence

>>1218248
>If the kettle is using 3kw it is using 3kw no matter whether you are operating it off of 1 volt or 10000 volts.
If the kettle is on 1V, that 3KW requires 3000 amps, with the corresponding resistive losses in the supply wiring. If the kettle is on 10000V, it only needs .3A, which would produce one ten thousandth of the resistive losses in the supply wiring as the 1V kettle. Amperage, not voltage or power, is what matters for how hot a given conductor gets, and therefore how much energy it dissipates as waste heat.

Or to put it in more realistic terms, a 1200W kettle on 120V would require a 10A supply, which requires a particular gauge of wiring depending on the situation and code involved. Let's say it's 14ga. A 2400W kettle on 240V would also require 10A, which corresponds to same wiring requirements as the first kettle. The 14ga wire would experience the same power losses while conducting those ten amps in both cases, but the 240V circuit is transporting twice the power as the 120V circuit.

>>1218251
No. Chefs like being able to see the fire. They are artists and don't want a bunch of controlled induction coils beeping at them when the computer thinks the food is done. I want to feel more control than that. Flame is also great because you can look at a flame anywhere and know how hot it is

>>1218309
>he can't see the alternating magnetic field
pleb

>>1218309

Yet there's sous vide, there's molecular gastronomy. Also the artistry is in creating the dish, the line is expected to reproduce the chef's work with consistency. They make reproductions, not art. Temperature control which doesn't rely on the vagueries of human's assessment of proxies will help with consistency.

I think the line will appreciate less of the heat going into the air far more than the loss of the pretty flames.

>>1218315
And yet induction cook tops keep failing to be a commercial success despite quite earnest attempts since the 70s

>>1218023
Show me a kettle actually pulling 3120w. I'll wait.

>>1218315
Also , souse vide is a disgusting meme. Come at me bro, your cooking skill is on par with an egg Rollie machine

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>>1218334
the 'instant boil' things (as per >>1218247) actually are 3kw - long as max 13A (@230v..)?, you good. They kettle makers, not Chinese Amplifier manufacturers - aint gonna rate them higher than actual usage.

used to have(s) pic related - 2800W (@230v..), annoying pish, would last about 6 months before crapping out, usually the pump. Alright for (instant) coffee but not hot enough for tea, nowhere near boiling. Theoretically, an 'instant boil' design should save energy (only heating what you actually pour via snake heating element)-practice tho, you cant reach actual boiling with this method, tastes mildly metallic odd (nowhere near as fucking odd as microwaved tho) and they fuckup , lots, as noted. Newer models as per >>1218247 pic maybe better, but Burgers ain't missing much on the 3kw kettle front otherwise with any of these, IME.

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>>1217818
An electric kettle has one of these in the bottom, not a kettle sitting on a hot plate

>>1218333

Induction has plenty of power, but it loses all of it the moment you lift or tilt the pan. So at the moment you lose something while gaining nothing of importance (induction begets you a cooler and easier to clean kitchen, but who cares about making life better for the line?).

Induction will actually have to offer an important improvement to overcome that loss and inertia. Accurate temperature control would do it IMO.

>>1218339

The Breville one works differently. You hear water loudly coming to a boil and then it dispenses 250 ml in one gush.

I suspect it has two chambers, with the water travelling to the upper chamber driven by steam before it's dispensed. Similar to how a drip coffee maker works. That way it would just need two solenoids, no pump to break down.

>>1218062
>Tfw NASA knowingly sent the Challenger up despite the engineers, and SRB manufacturers saying that it was a bad idea
>NASA didn't wanna wait for warmer weather, so they took the negligent rout, letting 7 people die, and a multi billion dollar rocket, and shuttle go to waste.

I like NASA, but they've really slipped on quality since the 70s

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>>1218365
Almost like their budgets have been cut, huh? Adjusted for inflation, their budget peaked in 1966 when it was 4.41% of the Federal budget. By 1971 it was less than half of what it was in '66, down to 1.61% of the federal budget. They saw a little bump in the budget during the Bush Sr. and Clinton years but it dipped back down after that. It is currently sitting at 0.47% of the federal budget. It hasn't popped above 1% since 1993.

>>1218334
What? There's fuckloads of them everywhere. They are rated 3kW because under insane EU harmonisation we are all supposed to be 230VAC. So the 3kW kettle sold in France becomes a 3.12kW kettle in the UK with 240VAC.

>>1217000
American kettles are still a bit faster than microwaves. Americans rarely heat water because they've always had specialized coffee appliances. It used to be drip brew machines, now it's shitty k-cups and pods.

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>>1218251
>The consistency of absolute temperature control will be hard to resist.
Agreed. But you could technically put a thermocouple in a pan over a gas element and control the gas flow with the feedback, but be it induction or gas, you'll need some fairly smart sensor to understand or at least estimate the heat capacity of each pot you use. Theoretically you could measure the temperature of an induction hob by measuring the resistance of the pot, but again the particular pot would have to be calibrated. Ideally, you'd be able set the pot to put in the energy to boil water so many mL/min, which is pretty easy as long as you're radiating an insignificant amount of the heat away and have a good gauge of what efficiency you've got.

Also, not using pic related.

>>1217140
So some retard couldn't convert from base 12 or 16 to the retarded base 10 he uses and I should feel bad that that retard exists? There's a reason hexadecimal isn't decadedecimal retard. Your evidence against my point was
>hurr, I don't get math so I use a stupid system and couldn't convert from the intelligent system because I'm so hurrrrrr, retarded

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>>1216991
3-phase is where it's at

>>1218154
>>1218134
To correct you guys, Tesla literally invented AC. The generators didn't exist before him. It was pretty cool.

>>1218308
Power is rated based on power consumed by the device during operation, not by the circuit.

>>1218633
You can't preform a dimensional analysis with imperial units unless you've kept track of which of the ambiguous "pounds" you were using. Your units are anti-science, you can't even do F=mg without using a conversion constant.

>>1218640
But if you're using the same power cable with the same resistive losses, then the current you pull to maintain the same useable power output over different voltages will change the amount of power your cable loses. If you tried to use a normal 110V power cable somewhere that uses 10V mains, you're going to have large resistive losses within your wiring.

Because "Ameritards" can do better with less.

>>1218154
>an AC motor with a commutator in it

Drills, angle grinders, sanders, vacuum cleaners etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_motor

Edison was more of a marketer wile tesla was hands on.

The battle of DC vs AC was more a Westinghouse / Edison thing.

Vid was one of Edison's publicity stunts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt8VO274x1Y

DC is now used in some cases for long haul HV work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current

>>1218634
just use a vfd

>>1218633
>There's a reason hexadecimal isn't decadedecimal retard.
you mean computers or something?
yeah there is but its nothing to do with inches and feet...

>>1217056
>Tell me, what's a 3rd of a meter equal?
what's a 5th of an inch?

what is your argument exactly, there is a big difference between decimal vs fractions and decimal as a base.

>>1217056
As an American with a brain and a knowledge of prefixes, a third of a meter would be 3.3333333 decimeters, or 33.33333333 centimeters, and a sixth would be 6 decimeters, or 60 centimeters... mongoloid.

>>1217056
>what's a 3rd of a meter equa

Are you so mentally challenged you can't divide 100 by 3?

>>1218724
>1/6 > 1/3

>>1218654
No, a universal motor is a DC motor with field windings in it, while an AC motor with commutators in it brings to mind an induction motor with slip-rings. The notion that a DC motor/generator was made by putting commutators in an AC motor/generator probably refers instead to a synchronous motor/generator (probably induction) with commutators within to turn the AC output into a form of DC.

>>1217000
>converting to higher voltage can't be that hard
Sure, just gotta tear down every power distribution system, transformer, power pole, buried cable and replace it. Also, every single building has to at least partially gutted and rewired, all of them everywhere.

>>1218724
1/6 does not equal 6/10

We really should move everything to 240v, most electronics comes with 120/240v power supply already. AC/major appliance are 240v too, the only thing left on 120v are lights, fridge, washer.

>>1218742
Barring unusual circumstances, your home is already getting 220V single phase AC from the transformer to the panel.

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>>1216991
That is not the root of the problem. The problem is, that burgers only have single phase connections. I could not for the life of me imagine living without a three phase socket in a house (in a flat, fine, I guess). How do you even build a house without a three phase connection? How do you run a proper saw, or cement mixer, or any stationary tools without three phases? It is clear, that the reasons ameritards have only single phase connections is because the Jews don't want them to be independent and able to actually do anything at home, therefore forcing them to buy stuff.

>>1218943
There is three phase in the U.S., it's just not to every home, because not everyone needs it.

Most homeowners would not know what to do with a good three phase hookup anyhow.

Also- small concrete/mortar mixers here tend to be gasoline driven, not electric, and the larger 110 volt saws do well enough for all but the largest DIY projects. Beyond that, you either already have three phase, or you're using phase converters.

It's a non-issue for most people.

>>1218943
Brushless DC motors are better than 3-phase AC motors anon.

>>1218962
I think universal/DC motors and induction motors have completely different torque curves. Different uses for each.

>>1218943
On a construction site, almost everything is either battery operated, pneumatic, or uses fuel.

Once the house is built, you will generally have access to at least 220v power. That is more than enough to run even a large cabinet saw or wood lathe. The only thing I can think of that would need more would be a large, old school metal lathe. Even with the only 110v, you can still get about 1.5 HP out of a motor. Plenty for a smaller table saw, a large drill press, or most any other home shop tool.

That is what we are talking about, right? It isn't uncommon for even small businesses our where I live to have 3-phase and 440v power available to them. Stuff like an auto mechanics or furniture shop.

>>1218962

As long as we don't distribute DC, three phase is still nice for a high power DC motor. Simply so you can get a decent power factor without tons of capacitance.

>>1218730
Ah, piss. I wrote that early in the morning before my maths were working. 1/6 = ~16.66 cm.

>>1218943

What do you need to build a house that cant be run with gas, batteries, or a 20amp 110v outlet?

>>1218943
>I could not for the life of me imagine living without a three phase socket in a house

That doesn't mean jack shit when you have a 20 amp service. If you tried to run an industrial 3 phase anything you'd pop the main breaker.

tldr 3 phase in your shitty flat is different than industrial 3 phase used in North America.

A lot of farms and acreages do have 3 phase power service in North America.

>>1218134
You licked a lot of exposed wires didn't you. Edison and Tesla were both trying to win contracts for supplying power. Edison tried to scare Americans into using DC by electrocuting an elephant with AC, and invented the electric chair. While Tesla won out by supplying AC power at cheaper prices. It wasn't about inventing, it was about business.

>>1216991
can you retards please stop replying to this bait. amerifats have two phase residential power. they use both 110 and 220V power.

>>1218973
>Once the house is built, you will generally have access to at least 220v power

Who doesn't have a power pole setup up until the structure is up?
>>1218943

I dunno our 220 seems to handle 3 miter saws, a compressor , and a table saw running at the same time just fine.

How many breakers does the average European panel have? It looks like most have only 5. When you trip a breaker does half your house go dead? I'd much rather have my 200 amp 120/220v breaker panel with room for 40 individual breakers.

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>>1219799
I wish we would stop putting our power lines on poles. Bury the fucker like a civilized country. Every fucking winter out here a storm rolls through and a quarter of the town loses power. Then PG&E spends tens of thousands of dollars in overtime restoring power and passing the cost on to us. Every. Fucking. Year. Every winter I have a 1 in 4 shot at losing the contents of my fridge while these shitheads are charging me $100 a month in electricity all year round while they blow up neighborhoods with their shit deferred maintenance.

>>1219818
If you lived where there was a proper winter where it gets cold and snows and shit, you wouldn't have to worry about losing the contents of your fridge now would you? You could put it in the garage. Sounds like you picked the wrong state to live in, Anon.

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>>1217491
anyone else notice the guy in red just casually watching the fuckfridge while sipping on his no milk wholey organic no chai latee

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>>1216991
Electricity 0.2 - Edison was a dipshit that pushed for DC Electricity but it could barely cover a city.

Electricity 1.0 - Nikola Tesla invented AC and it worked! We were beta testing while you shitlords were starting a bunch of wars that we had to come finish for you. You're welcome Eurofags.

Now, to answer your dumb-ass question that you could have googled pretty easily.. We actually do push 240v residential service. But it's split into two 120v circuits. Why? Blame Edison. His light bulbs worked best on 110v (which only got upgraded in the 50's to 120). Why keep 120v around? It's safer and most appliances don't need more.

Our bigger appliances such as Washer, Dryer, Water Heaters, Air Conditioners, etc.. actually use 240v by taking a hot from each circuit. The result is 240v.

Also, we could upgrade everything with little to no infrastructure change and a few changes in houses and it'd be slightly better and still safer than anything in a Eurofag's house.

You're Welcome.

Source: http://thednetworks.com/2012/06/10/why-does-ukusa-use-110120v-and-others-use-220240v/

>>1219820
I only just noticed the website on it, let alone the guy. I though it was just mentioned because it looked like a smart fucking fridge. Now I see that it's a smart _fucking_ fridge.

>>1218214
>not using a homemade agregat prądotwórczy
Keke

>>1219803
Dude they have like 2.5kw service

>>1219822
Fun fact, 500kv transmittion lines are DC.

>>1219903
3680W to be exact

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>>1219803
this is what your average german single family suburban home built in the early 90s panel looks like
pic related is the main panel in the basement
bottom right is the main breaker 63A 380V three phase
center column is for a 4kWp solar array
the three screw in fuses on the left go to the distribution panel on the ground floor (see next post for that)
breakers right to them are for three basement rooms plus Washer and dryer
notice all the empty space where you can add whatever you'd want to in the future

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>>1219913
>>1219803
here's a pic of the ground floor panel
bottom left is the GFCI 40A 380V three phase
first three breakers are for the three phases of the oven/stove combination
following ones are for all the different rooms of the house plus garage and external lighting/outlets
the weird blue ones are for an electric heating system in the bathroom

please post a pic of your panel I'm genuinely interested in what they look like in the US

>>1217206
W......WHAT????

>>1217269
Lol! You faggots accross the pond. Only cucks drink tea anyway. Let alone retards that have a process more complicated than cooking meth to make a cup. Gtfo fag

>>1219913
> early 90s
> average
> solar
Really?

>>1219920
oh sorry the solar has been added in 2011

>>1217276
If it makes you feel any better half the 3 prongs are just dummy outlets. Just get the 2 prong adaptor or bust the ground off your shit and go on about your day

>>1217287
>too big for a goofy 40 amp outlet.

The fuck electronics you working with anon? Nuclear reactors?

>>1217292
It's diy newfag. Did u expect anything less?

At least anon isnt trying to ground a shipping container yet.

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>>1217307

>>1217326
220 blows you off like a prom date.

110 grabs you.

Safe

>>1217363
You make a point anon but you dont really own that land. Sorry.

>>1217422
BOOF!

SOMEONE DO THIS AND POST VIDYA

>>1217491
Lowes in Bartlesville, oklahoma

>>1217501
Fuck your entire commie shithole. U better move or get a passport so u can visit the us

>>1217531
Keep projecting.

Nobody cares about the opinion of a muslim country anyway.

>>1217644
Not gonna plug my little fm radio into 440 at 40 amps fuckwad

>>1217789
Wtf does an anus have to so with this?

>>1217790
What kind of dumbass uses horses when sled dogs exist?

>>1217915
Only faggots and queers drink coke.

Dr. Pepper or go back to mexico yall

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>>1217918
True story.

>>1217925
...he thinks it matters if u nuke tap water, microwave it, or cook it in wtf ever a kettle is.

Just have your woman make your unicorn frapaccino then you soft handed faggot.

>>1217947
Why the fuck u preheat plates????

>>1217981
Having company. Ever.

Especially britosh cunts with a faggot accent and fucked up horse teeth.

Just, no

>>1218013
Just because we dont doesnt mean we cant.

We dont drink tea because you faggots do.

We dump ours in the fucking bay and give you britbongs the finger

>>1218015
>vanity project.

WE
WALKED
ON
THE
MOON.

all you britcucks do is wear bright red targets, lose wars, and whine because american men with balls drink coffee and you bucktoothed cucks daintily sip your tea and compare who has the largest vagina.

STAY MAD FAGGOT.

dont respond until your country walks on the moon.

>>1218023
16amp max.

Sweetheart pull numbers from somewhere besides your oversized asshole

>>1219954
So they don't shatter from thermal shock when you put a 600°C slab of 1/4" copper on them. Seriously though it keeps the food warmer for longer.

>>1218056
Is that a shot?

>>1218058
>tequilla.

Please no

>>1218062
LOL

>>1218125
I do dipshit.

First thing i did when i bought my house is rip out that faggot electric stove and buy gas

>>1218134
No. We know edison was a retard and a cuck and tesla was a psychotic genious

>>1219961
>dont respond until your country walks on the moon.
Are you going to start giving China undue respect when their astronauts livestream their lunar starvation once they're out of range of their internet jamming? Landing on the moon was damn cool, but for every clever and stupid American under the sun to take credit for it is as laughable as blaming them all for their country's power distribution.

>>1218185
>1.21 jiggawatts!

Time travel?

>>1218189
Wrap it around your copper water line that is buried under the house and hope you die getting a glass of water like me...

>>1219970
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Edison_patents
Stay mad, teslacuck.

>>1218725
Yeth

>>1218895
WHO SAYS?

>>1219818
Stop living in a shithole place with winter that lasts 8 months retard.

I dont want electrocuted every time i dig a ditch or water line u fuck.

>>1219963
Oh.

>>1219971
Sigh.

Itt: britbongs dont understand simple directions.


I
Said
Shut
You
Tea
Swillling
Crooked
Toothed
Ass
Until
Your
Country
Walks
On
The
Moon

>>1219974
Not clickling that shit.

Edison was a fucking idiot and a crybaby sissy. Fuck that pleb

>>1219913
where are your RCDs, anon?

>>1219996
Bottom left on the ground floor panel

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>>1219913
>>1219914

So you only have 24kw for the whole house? Yeah that's totally worth the high voltage...Not. I can get half that through a 50 amp plug. I don't know what you guys are bragging for with a service that weak. Anyways this is what a average small/medium american panel looks like.

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>>1220152
>24kw for the whole house
who'd have thought that a burger doesn't know how to calculate three phase power
it's either 3*230*63=43.5kW in a star configuration
or 3*230*63*sqrt 3=75kW in a delta configuration

I like your panel it looks nice and tidy
but is it already full, what do you do when adding additional appliances?
also where are the main breaker and meter are they in a separate box?

>>1219980
>britbongs
Nah, Aussie mate. The fact that you're trying to take possession of an effort that you probably weren't alive for is just proof that you've done nothing of your own to be proud of. Stay mad Americunt.

>>1219981
>Thomas Edison was an inventor who accumulated 2,332 patents worldwide for his inventions.
Tesla only made like 300.

>>1219961
>literally a vanity project
Keep living in the past and stay mad, burgerfat.

>>1219980
>implying that american directions are worth heeding
Childhood cancer can't be cured with a really good spanking.

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>>1220165
>>Thomas Edison was an inventor who accumulated 2,332 patents worldwide for his inventions.
>Tesla only made like 300.
Nice try, State Department.