Do you like torx, /diy/?

Yes, obviously. Torx rules!

I honestly never understood the hate. Shit pretty much never strips. The most common complaint I've seen was "but I don't have torx"

>>1213661
It strips pretty easily with power tools - and bit destruction is pretty much instant when it does. To be fair robertson and philips both strip a lot more easily, but the bits hold up better when they do it so you can just keep going.

>>1213664
I hit them with impacts all day on decking and never stripped, maybe I'm lucky. Had bits break more than screws strip

>>1213652

Anyone who says they are not the best for something like a deck has never actually built a deck.

The only "flaw" with torx is that they are so good that if you use the small tip in a magnetic holder quite often it will cling to the screw long enough to pull out of the holder and disappear in the grass. So use the long version that locks into your driver.

It's vastly superior to Philips head or PZ whatever that stands for or god forbid flathead

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>>1213652
oy vey

>>1213652
I absolutely hate torx. Why couldn't Philips be used instead. Torx screwdrivers are almost impossible to find in Europe. I almost always end up using a flathead.

>>1213743
>I absolutely hate torx. Why couldn't Philips be used instead. Torx screwdrivers are almost impossible to find in Europe. I almost always end up using a flathead.

1. Are you saying they sell torx screws but do not sell torx bits? Impossible to believe, so why do you hate torx screws if you never see them?

2. Are you saying you can't find Phillips screws? Impossible to believe.

3. You are using flatheads in 2017? Where the fuck do you live, exactly? Do you make your own nails too?

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Assy fag reporting in

>>1213743
I live in a backwards-ass country in europe and they sell torx screwdrivers and bits in literally every hardware store

>>1213669
>Had bits break more than screws strip
that's fucked up

>>1213747
I find torx screws in MacBooks for example. I'm not saying that I can't find Philips screws. What made you think that?
>>1213761
Well I can't for some reason.

>>1213772
>I'm not saying that I can't find Philips screws. What made you think that?

Because you expressed a preference for Phillips and then said you end up using flatheads, which made it sound like you could not obtain Phillips.

No big deal. the thought of using flatheads is like torture to me. Even with the guide sleeve to align the bit to the screw they're still a major pain in the ass.

>>1213778
I'm using flatheads to open torx screws, that's what I meant.

>>1213747
Anyone knew he meant has to use flathead to drive the torx

>>1213799
>I'm using flatheads to open torx screws, that's what I meant.

Oh dear, now it makes sense.

Flathead bit in torx? SHOCK HORROR. I'd find some torx bits right away if I were you.

>>1213803
>Anyone knew he meant has to use flathead to drive the torx

My reading comprehension is not the best...

>>1213652
T-25 deck screws or neck yourself mutherfuckers

>>1213743
what eastern european shithole do you live in where torx is hard to find?

>>1213743
>Torx screwdrivers are almost impossible to find in Europe
wat?

where do you live? They're everywhere.

far, far, far superior to philips

everybody who doesn't like torx is either a turbo contrarian who will swim against the stream no matter what, or somebody who lives in some stone age shithole that just stopped using flat heads.
people who don't think torx is the best are objectively wrong

>>1213727
Kek
Don't fall for the screw jew

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Slotted, crosshead and hexagon are enough.
Someone needs to invent a torx nut and patent the required torx wrench.
The brainwashed will surely fall for it.

>>1213719
>PZ whatever that stands for
Pozidrive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives

>>1213652
Better than cheap phillips or flathead screws that strip easily

>>1213743
wtf I thought germans loved e-torx

>>1213664
>Torx bit destruction
>Robertson stripping
Holy fuck stop buying cheap bits and use real fasteners. If your shit is made of real steel instead of Chinese cardboard neither will strip unless you're pounding it into a grimey hole with an air impact.

>>1213869
Yeah, it's all over their cars

torx is ok
triwing is primo though

>>1213727
the local (Bulgaria) name for these is unironically "jewish star"

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My boss bought a box of them on accident and I knew they were superior on the first drive. Now they're all we use.

Sometimes on things that will be covered and not touched for a long time, I'll use a bunch of different screws just to fuck with the next guy who has to mess with it.

>>1213652
I only use torx, robertson or hex head other than for drywall or electronics.

>>1213664
t. never used a power tool

>>1214306
Jesus I hope you aren't an electrician and we don't live in the same area so I don't run into that shit.

>>1214306
You are unironically the devil

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>>1213652
I prefer robertson

>>1213743
>Torx screwdrivers are almost impossible to find in Europe.
such is life in yuropooria :(

>>1214027
how do you call imbus(Allen, hex)?

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>>1214515
>>1213743
where the heck do you live?
like yeah in supermarket you can only get torx as part of a bit set and most awiable screw drivers are flaheads philips and PZ
but in a normal hardware store you can get screwdrivers or just bits (if you gona abuse them)
like i got wera screw torx driver from a decent HW store for like 2-3€ pice (missing a 30 one)
made a small survey around on what screws i can find used around
so mostly:
PZ - woodscres(wood and montage aplication)
PH - electronics
TORX - electronics, anything with motor(cars, motorized tools etc.)
HEX - the same as torx, + anythy metal construction
Flathead - evrywhere(and mostly old stuff)
and the rest screw types from warious china meme shit and
only problem thay dont allways have things on store that are not so mutch use
like i used a 40Torx bit only for special anchor for polyurethane but still worht the 2€(wiha)

>>1214552
>TORX - electronics, anything with motor(cars, motorized tools etc.)
Machinist fag here. Almost anything that uses carbide inserts is a Torx screw.

>>1214637
>. Almost anything that uses carbide inserts is a Torx screw.

what is a carbide insert. I might want to use them in all my projects if they are superior.

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>>1214640
what projects?
u have lathe or cnc?

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>>1214648
>u have lathe or cnc?

I have a small lathe. Like a barbie and ken lathe but it can do stuff.

I have some crabide tips but I get beter results with HSS that I graind on a wheel. to the right shape, which y0u cannot do with the carbides.

>>1214552
I only use security bolts of my own design for my projects. If I am contracted to do work on other people's machines I exclusively use these. That way, they can't fuck with my improvements as easily and then come to me and say it broke with no external influence

>>1214650
HSS is superior for low speed lathe work.

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>>1214691
>HSS is superior for low speed lathe work.

well thank you for that. my lathe is so small it's the definition of low speed lathe work.

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>>1213652
Don't worry, I can fix that for you, kid.

>>1213664
only strips when the idiot doesn't realise he's a 5 size too small.

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>>1213864
German automobiles and recently chrysler and chevy has been using torx bolts. the sockets for them are "E" or inverted torx.

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Torx is fine. This shit, though.

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>>1214757
dear god no
nope

>>1214306
bring a sharpie and write a message for them, too. "HA, i did this ON PURPOSE!"

>>1214771
lol. the's less prone to rounding off... then again i haven't rounded a regular hex bolt or nut since i was 14. I'm sure some monkeys could round or strip anything

>>1214757
I unironically like these. No problems with an impact driver. Easy to torque to specs.

>>1214757
>and now there are 121 "standards"

>>1214541
i can roughly translate it as "sixogram" something in between of "six" and "hexagram"

>>1213743
>Torx screwdrivers are almost impossible to find in Europe.
are you fucking serious? every hardware store here has a full set of torx screwdrivers or bits
the only """hard to find""" are the small ones that they used in cellphones and tiny shit like that

what shit part of europe you live, because i live in the shittiest one and even we have those everywhere

>>1214757
yes, saw ton of torx screws on our Skoda(VW) too

>>1215015
the small ones you get mostly in electronics shops, or sets like the wera, wiha or chink
in HWstores they have them rare

I went from hate to love with Torx. Mostly because my shitty green Bosch driver had shitty Torx bits, and thus the bits went to shit.

Having upgraded to a Makita 18V impact and decent bits, I can admit it's all gravy, and Torx is god tier.

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I salvage a lot of junked item items, and let me tell you - Torx screws in cheap shit tend to be cheap shit as well. Cheap hex bolts/screws have never stripped on me - always torx and philips. Flathead rarely, typically from my being too impatient to grab the correct size. Try taking the torx-fastened disc brakes off a kmart bike. I can tell you right now that the bit you'll need it actually pic related.

Shitty metal needs obtuse angles to not round. Never seen a robertson fastener yet, however I would presume it still has too much force in each corner for a shitty fastener. But probably rounds less than a philips.

>>1215116
I wish I could physically murder whoever made the bits that came with my green Bosch, and figured "yeah, that'll do".

Also whoever made half the Phillips screws I bought at the local DIY store.

>>1215126
>the bits that came with my green Bosch, and figured "yeah, that'll do".

They actually supply bits with a driver, and it makes you homicidal that they weren't indestructible?

So what was wrong with the phillips screws? Describe in detail how you drilled pilot holes or whatever.

>>1215129
The supplied Torx bits, on my first encounter with Torx (that was years back) stripped within 10 screws, giving me the impression that Torx was the problem. The other bits of that same kit were (mostly) fine, or at least as good as could be expected of anything that "came with".

The fact that the screws were Phillips is incidental, they also did not strip. It is more case that they simply snapped in 6 months when I used them to construct a greenhouse, and the roof collapsed. And I know the loads were not the issue, as another brand of screws with identical dimensions were perfectly fine. So that was chink steel, and twats selling only those shit screws at the local shop.

>>1213652

pretty much any wood projects I do involve lots of torx bit fasteners like deck screws I get at Lowes. they come with a free bit in each box of screws, and drive deep and flawlessly with my Milwaukee drill.

some stuff, like anchoring down plywood, i do with short (just over an inch) drywall screws, and those are phillips head. but this is a low power application.

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>>1214757
There are nuts and there are bolts. This is a torx nut, thread in the middle. Can you imagine how the torx wrench looks like? File a patent, there's a sucker born every minute.

In the auto industry, XZN (triple-square) has been used for ages and is now replaced with torx because the patents have expired.

>>1215126
>>1215134
Yea torx are fine if you have quality parts but if you're on a budget or dealing with dodgily-put-together crap it's way safer to just go with hex. Allen keys/hex bits are cheap as shit too so you never really have one out of reach.

>>1215116
>Flathead rarely, typically from my being too impatient to grab the correct size.
stopped reading there
in the meantime you should stop being a inpatient gorilla faggot and use the right tools

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The problem with torx is that it's often ridiculously shallow. Rounded bit tip and complex shape catching dirt don't help either. This leads to cam-out.

Philips always has reasonable profile height.

>>1214637

Anything smaller than t10 is shit

>T. Machinst

>>1213669
Do you use the shit ones that come with the deck mate box

>>1214757
Except when they feel like being extra cunty. My German car has security torx, torx bolts, some pentalobe, some normal bolts, and a few triple squares.

Fuck VW.

>>1215467
Don't forget the extremely gay security lug nut - I've had the key fucking deform and was stuck and shitfucked out of luck.

Besides, not like it will actually stop anyone from pikeying my fucking wheels.

>>1214505
I too enjoy sports played by girls in english private schools and pretend to be french for government gibs.

>>1215497
what the fuck did you just say?

>>1215505
maple syrup sucks

>>1213661
It's the Star of David ...

>>1215511
>>1213727
That's actually true and the only legitimate complaint ITT

>>1213652
Dont use them that much, just for the Stihl-gas-thicc-blade-weed-whacker-bitch but when i came to think about it, they're
pretty well thought through.

AMG engines are all held with torx, so that's a plus for me I guess

>>1214734
>not having a set of bits

>>1215382

What do you recommend for fasteners that small then?

>>1213762
Id rather have a bit break then strip a screw in some odd mechanism

>>1213652
Hate them because fucking harley davidson. Also hate faggot harley and there gay ass 12 point bolt heads and stupid allen sizing used in the engine case.

>>1215958
>fucking harley davidson

ok, if that meme company took your money more than once, it's your fault.

motorcycles are made in europe and japan. shitcycles are made by harley, and it took an act of congress to keep them alive with tarifts and other gimmedats.


buy a harley. replace all the shit that falls off in the first year. but don't complain. just put on your MAGA hat and smile.

>>1215977
Riding a Japrocket/Euro bike is a lot like fucking a guy in the ass. It feels pretty good until you look down and remember that you're a faggot

>>1215988
All bikes are quite gay, Anon. Some are just also built by faggots.

>>1215977
>She thinks a would ever consider owning a harley

Listen up young lady i only work on harleys for some of my special clients. I own a street tripe, a cb250 shitbike and a vfr800 so stop being triggered by ameican made vehicles and trump, pls go back to watching your significant other having sexual relations with black mens and virtude signaling else were. Because this is not /pol/ or /lgbt/

>>1215364
that is the most based driver ever if its metric >>1215926
metric socket head cap
for everything every size

>>1213652
Yes but cheap bits and screws tear apart too easily. High quality, hard, well fitted ones work amazingly. But I've had cheap chinese drivers tear up cheap chinese screw heads, which then tore up a new cheap chinese driver tip.

>>1213652
Master race. Get in or get in the oven.

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>>1213743
Sorry Mohammad, Torx are for White people

>>1213743
Actually just order off of some hardware website dude.

>>1216195
But they steal your money and give you fucking shit. Torx is shittiest there is. No fucking drivers.

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>>1216143
>not using LOX drive bits

the true Aryan choice.

>>1216224
Looks pretty nigger m8. Like if some nigger tried to steal the torx idea and made a shitty copy.

>>1214734
... and a box full of fucking metal swarf. Knacker everything to save buying the proper tools. /DIY/

>>1214757
E or inverted Torx? Are you retarded? E = EXTERNAL TORX. How do you mouth breathers survive?

>>1216624
By worrying about function and usability instead of wording. and grammar

>>1216631
How can you hope to know what you are doing if you don't know what to tools are called?

>>1216631
>How can you hope to know what you are doing if you don't know what *the* tools are called?

>>1215917
>>1216619
>capitulating to jew screws
Flat is justice.

>>1213652
Good for wood screws, absolutely unnecessary for machine screws where they usually just serve as a fucking safety feature because no pleb has torx bits.

>>1216645
The only time flat is any good is for 1/4 turn door latches and other such shit.

And it's only good because I can open the box with my fucking car keys or pocket knife and don't have to track down a flat screwdriver.

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>>1216645
>flat
that opinion as it pertains to both things you implied is a shit one

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>>1213652
hex wins hands down
torx vastly overrated

>>1216778
Socket head is god-tier.

>>1216624
"E socket", which was stated, would be good enough.
also, >>1216631 >>1216637 rekt U

>>1216224
>the real screw jew
>lox
they literally put that shit on their bagels
>jew donuts

>>1216778
>>1216783

Rare. I've never encountered that, and if the screw is very tight you will round out the hole. It looks good in theory, nearly worthless in principle.

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>>1216224
Triggered

>>1216915
Obviously you can counter that by saying you only work on pieces of non-shitty design, but then you remember what's sitting in the driveway

>>1216922

I can't believe any mass-produced design requires that tool. Old fashioned hex keys have a long and a short end, and I'd love to see a picture of something where the short end won't fit. And even if it's tight, you can grind the short end shorter.

If the long end then interferes and cannot be turned, then the odd bulb tip hex would be required, but I don't think that situation exists in mass-produced parts. And if it's in a car sitting in your driveway, that bulb tip hex key is going to round it off if the hex screw is as tight as most automotive fasteners.

The only use for that weird wrench is after you've broken the screw loose with a proper wrench and then you can spin it out with the odd wrench.

I've had to grind hex keys square to get enough engagement to break tight screws loose. That weird shape would not work at all in that sort of situation.

Show me a picture where that wrench is required. It does not exist. Designers seem to go out of their way to make parts hard to work on, but if you have the right tools and follow the correct sequence you can use normal tools.

>>1214734
>Loss.jpg

You clever bastard.

>>1216915
>Rare. I've never encountered that
You sure you've never assembled furniture? Worked on tools and dies?

>>1216929
>then you can spin it out with the odd wrench.
You don't use the bulb end to break screws loose if they're torqued to automotive specs, of course, but the bulb ends are stronger than you might think at first.

>>1217513
>>1217513
>You sure you've never assembled furniture? Worked on tools and dies?
literally anything that isnt a kids toy, a consumer electronic, or a backyard deck

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>>1216929
>I can't believe any mass-produced design requires that tool.

they dont usually, mostly machines with hard to reach spots and things

>If the long end then interferes and cannot be turned,
this usually isnt an issue for several reasons because of various hex drivers and ratchets , but mainly because hex has 6 different angles to work from making clearance not an issue

>The only use for that weird wrench is after you've broken the screw loose with a proper wrench and then you can spin it out with the odd wrench.
in best practice, yes but it isnt always an option and you can do it properly without killing the head of the bolt

>I've had to grind hex keys square to get enough engagement to break tight screws loose.
usually for things 2.5mm and smaller
>That weird shape would not work at all in that sort of situation.
thats why the other end of the key is a hex

>Designers seem to go out of their way to make parts hard to work on,
they make them hard to access

>if you have the right tools and follow the correct sequence you can use normal tools.

production time is money for both the assembly side and the service side. what is cheapest for assembly is not always cheapest for service. i dont want to drop the engine to do some rudimentary replacement because thats the way they assembled it.

>I can't believe any mass-produced design requires that tool
>Show me a picture where that wrench is required
all the time, allen keys are my most used tool at work and if i didnt have ball ends every day i would blow my brains out. when ever we get replacement keys at work, the guys grind in their own ball into the end if it doesnt have one already

>>1217525
Perhaps you should set foot in a tool and die shop and try to find anything but socket heads.

>>1217546
literally anything that isnt a kids toy, a consumer electronic, or a backyard deck uses socket head cap screws

>>1213652

When it's implemented correctly, I think torx is better than anything else.

>>1216224
That looks pretty easy to operate with a Flathead

>>1218387
>That looks pretty easy to operate with a Flathead

no. just no.

yeah, when everything is perfect, you can stick a paperclip in there and turn it.

have you ever tried to disassemble something 10 or 20 or more years old? that's when fasteners show their strengths and weaknesses.

>>1218389
>geometry with opposing faces that are in a straight line to each-other
>not EZ to operate with a flathead
Are you even trying?

>>1213821
This nigger knows his niggering shit.

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>>1216943
I know it's late but any 4panel image does not equal loss.jpg

>>1218389
The better point would be, "where am I going to find this out of production proprietary driver bit that didnt catch on when it's time to replace my deck planks"

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>>1220159
I'll just 3D prin-

>>1218387

>>1213713

this

>>1220148

Yeah I know but look carefully. It's not the line patterns but the older loss.jpg pattern of the emotional wankery.

I have to say I feel more for that poor torx screw than the chick in the comic.