I really want to buy an old long mileage (100.000+ km) used car

I did this on an old Ford Fiesta for shits and giggles but I never actually got the engine running well again so probably not the best authority on this subject. But it's not technically difficult, just time-consuming. All you have to do is keep track of the parts you pull and their specific condition.

As far as fixes, that depends on your budget. Simply rebuilding the engine if you take your time will add a lot of life to the vehicle. But you're also liable to get into a situation where you're spending a lot of money on replacement parts once you see the condition of some engine components.

>>1191387
>is it near impossible to do on my own?
no. get a haynes manual and follow the instructions to the letter. don't get a car from a dealership. get a 500$ beater off craigslist.

>>1191387
>is it near impossible to do on my own?

Depends on what you mean by "engine overhaul". Also how expensive is highly dependent on if the engine actually needs rebuilt, and what is wrong if it does.
In most cases where you would normally say "engine needs rebuilt" you would have to have a machine shop do precision work on it.

If you are just talking about buying a running car and doing maintenance to it by bolting new parts on, thats normal and everyone can do it.

There is a very fine line of diminishing returns when talking about a cheap or old car though.
You can dump thousands into the car, and its still an old beat up car, or it could get totalled, or you could have a catastrophic failure somewhere else on the car.

Also 100000 km isnt really high mileage, 350km is closer to high mileage.

Get a car thats checked out by someone else who says its healthy enough and then just do basic maintenance and youll be fine.

>>1191390
>ford fiesta for shits and giggles
yeah i was thinking about doin the same thing.
>>1191392
I don't really trust private sellers, there are hundreds of ways to cheat on your mileage, even if it's around 100k, might be even more, it's a leap of faith.
>craigslist
i'm from italy, that site isn't used that much.
>haynes manual
what's that?
>>1191393
Is it usually expensive to get a mechanic to check it out for you?

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>>1191387
These days 100000km isn't that much.
I have two cars, each with over 200000miles on them (321868.8km) Most I have had to do is replace a unibelt and some hoses.
Here are some things to think about.
Engines that use chain drive can go over 300000km before you "should" replace the chain. Belt drives are closer to 160000km.
It is _real_ important to know if you are dealing with an "interference" or "non interference" engine. "non interference" means if the timing belt/chain slips/breaks your engine won't self-destruct. i.e. the valves never open far enough to be hit by the pistons even if the timing is off.

OTOH... not knowing jack about mechanics + doing an engine overhaul = pic related.
Start by fixing small shit or taking a class.
Find a friend that does auto and buy them beer.

>>1191397
>"interference" or "non interference" engine
very helpful, are the interference engine cars usually older/newer expensive/cheap or is irrelevant and should just look them up?
>not knowing jack about mechanics + doing an engine overhaul = pic related
Are you talking about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1qBJ8ZeOUA&t=20m25s

>>1191387
>do an engine overhaul by myself.
fucking why?
buy a volvo with 200k+ and change the oil. job done

if you want the feeling of rebuilding an engine without the literally thousands of whatever currency you use it will cost to get started >i don't know shit about car mechanics dig an old lawnmower out of a skip or craigslist (yes some of them are 4 stroke google it!) and strip that down. toe in the water and all that.

nobody rebuilds engines. engine fucked? visit scrapyard.
maybe an antique vintage bullshitmobile built in the stoneage before precision cnc took over and things were 'good enough'

around about year 2000 cars were all become computer controlled. avoid at all costs.
these days you can't take even a fucking window switch out of a different car without reprogramming the switch and the car. something to do with theft. (it's not it a scam, dealerships don't make money either they have to pay the company for software downloads its all strictly locked down)

wow modern cars fucking sucked the fun out of home maintenance.

>>1191394
>I don't really trust private sellers, there are hundreds of ways to cheat on your mileage

it doesn't really matter if you are rebuilding the whole engine.

>>1191415
>around about year 2000 cars were all become computer controlled. avoid at all costs.
>you can't take even a fucking window switch out of a different car without reprogramming the switch and the car
oh fuck, are you for real?

>>1191423
All cars since 1996 have OBDII (roman numeral 2 not the letter i) which monitors parts of your engine and calculates if it is operating efficiently in order to allow government bodies to ass rape you if your exhaust emissions are too high.
that is its purpose.

around that point cars were changing from carburettor pull on a wire style to fly by wire where the ECU (engine control unit) controls the throttle and fuel injection based on shit like what temperature the air is and uses fuel maps (remapping is how modern engines are tuned)

for a while the electrics were primitive, there was one computer (possibly a second for auto gearboxes) and everything else was relays driving lamps or motors as you imagine.

then canbus came in where they started putting microchips in all the different components, your dashboard has a computer that talks to the ecu, the central locking, each lighting cluster, abs, window buttons, even the fucking interior lights, rear view mirror dimming, wing mirror motors.

all connected in a network that talks to each other constantly. you can buy readers on ebay that sit and listen.

but now all of the parts talk to each other they make sure that you haven't stolen them, so the factory tells each part what car its in, if you put it in a different car it knows and refuses to work.

i know a guy who has an audi says he pulled a window switch from the scrapyard, dealer says that they can't even wipe it in order to reprogram it to his car. simply can't be done. now thats how to make money!!
except nobody pays $1000 so they don't have to reach behind them to operate a rear window so it's lose - lose.

>>1191431
this is bullshit, is it for all cars or are there still some exceptions like lada or something?

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>100,000 magic meters
>long mileage

U wot. Even 100,000 freedom spans isn't 'long distance'.

>>1191431
>2015 Carolla gets T-boned by a motorcycle
>Passanger door is fucked, door frame bent, window broken, doesn't close or lock right anymore
>Go to pick and pull and buy a whole fucking door
>Exact same model, power locks, and windows, the whole 9. Wrong color though
>Place on car, wire up, everything works like a charm.
I don't know what the fuck this guy is talking about.

>>1191431
you were fine (or at least, mostly factual) up until:
>but now all of the parts talk to each other they make sure that you haven't stolen them
this is not true, nor do the vast majority of parts 'have microchips' nor do they 'talk to each other' - theres a lot of sensor feedback to OBD/ECU, sure, thats whats its for - but window switches are not per car programmed, and my limited experience of Audi parts (got a reasonably high-end VW, shitload of Audi parts innit) says, your friend wants to lay off the crack.

tbf, where you are gonna run into problems with OBD/ECU etc, changing an actual board computer itself (yours goes swimming, gets fried, etc) you need to re-program the whole fucking thing to a different car, thats no way fun, but still possible. Changing a dash unit, speedo etc - prob difficulties may arise. And quite a lot of Anti-Theft/immobilizer units are a fucking nightmare if you change locks, and some (Fuck u Ford Vans) - be easier changing the vehicle than the locks.

But apart form that, >>1191440 has a point - not a mechanic or anything either tho, but, its not THAT much hassle. As also said, forget engine rebuilds and shit, halfway modern diesel from say 15 years ago and good house, do you 250-300k not a bother, body fall apart first.

>>1191439
>>1191397
>>1191393
so how much can a car survive in average? 400.000km?

>>1191448
that depends.

most modern cars engines last a long time, unless there's some defect or they're hard to maintain/work on.

lots of cars have solid engines/powertrains but the bodies don't last(rust/'rot' out).

>>1191387
Overhauls are generally stuff you do when the piston rings are shot to shit or otherwise some other kind of mechanical fuckery going on in the engine itself (generally top end valve seating, oil seals etc)
Thing is, you can strip an engine down easily enough, but its the stuff like re-bores of the cylinder sleeves and flattening heads that has to go out of your garage to a specialist with the machinist tools to do it. After that comes back, putting it back together means lots of gaskets + gasket goop and having all the torque settings for various bolts- which comes from the workshop manual not the user manual- that just tells you when to change filters and oil!

Start off small
Motorcycle engines are generally simple enough and actually require overhauls from time to time (compared to car engines) and single cylinder, 4 stroke bikes are still out there in enough numbers.

>>1191394
>I don't really trust private sellers, there are hundreds of ways to cheat on your mileage

A shitty dealer is way WAY more likely to roll your miles back than just finding a regular dude selling his old car.

>>1191475
fucking this

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>>1191387
Start with something small like a really old (80+ years) and beat up sewing machine and restore it to like new condition and work your way up in complexity of projects.

Antique sewing machines are a good start for stuff like this because despite being 80-100 years old they're pretty cheap and a good way to practice mechanical restoration before dropping big money on a car.

Also you get a sewing machine out of it that'll last another hundred years.

>>1191485
i disagree if only for the reason that automotive repair is one of the most thoroughly documented technical procedures out there. many of the manuals are lego tier in terms of accessibility. any early 80's shitbox (the fiesta/festiva are good ones) is simple as pie, cheap, and still has parts available.

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>>1191387
Cost effective aside i think its a very valuable experience to do.
Growing up a knew a guy in his late 80s who told me about his first car, instead of his father buying or giving him a car he took him to the junk yard and picked out a piece of junk, he then had him strip and clean everything down to the last bolt and put it back together.

Fast forward about 60 years and he had a beautiful 53 Studebaker that he fit with the engine of a Chevrolet Blazer that ran like a dream.

I recommend going with an older car first, doing that is becoming harder and harder to do as each year passes and cars get more complicated.

>>1191486
I meant as a way to prep for it, learning how to clean and organise parts before reassembly since a sewing machine is a fairly simple machine it'll be easy enough to do while learning how to do it instead of breaking down an entire engine and being left with a crate of scrap in your garage for the next 8 years.

>>1191387
kinda pointless really. these days the engine and drive train usually far outlive the rest of the car. better off learning how to do other shit like brakes, suspension, bearings, and fixing electronic shit.

now if you REALLY want to get into engines then go with small engines. small engines are fairly simple, comparatively cheap to work on and there's a lot more of them around

>>1191491
Is it possible to get free half-assed shits on the junkyard? Might give it a try

>>1191501
Maybe not free, but if they're nice enough they might sell it to you for scrap value.
Just check it to make sure its all or mostly there.

Plenty of people have gotten into cars by buying an old clunker that needs to be fixed every ten miles. But they generally have friends/parents/neighbors to help them out. These days you can learn a lot from youtube, but a complete overhaul sounds really ambitious for a first project. Doable, but most people probably would want to choose a project they can afford to fuck up on.

>>1191394
subito.it, eBay annunci, and AutoScout24.

Haynes manual is just a manual for repairs/maintenance of your car.
Haynes is the brand.
Every gas station selling them.
They are printed also in Italian, but I suggest the English version if you get a Non Italian car. (Easier to search google if terminology all is in English)

Pretty sure you can do this if you wanted to.
Last year this board made coaching to a graphic designer with no mechanical experience into rebuilding an old Volvo with 1 million km on the motor.
Then we help him getting a job as a the chief engine mechanic in a Tedeschan ship yard.
All in a space of 2 weeks.


As far as the car goes, I suggest an older 2- Stroke motorcycle. Very easy to rebuild.

If you really want a car, try a Mini.
Parts are commonly available, the engine is simple, and there are many resources online.

>>1191705
>Then we help him getting a job as a the chief engine mechanic in a Tedeschan ship yard
Then, he was never heard of again. For some strange reason..
>PAGING SMALLBOATENGINEBRO:
Sup dude, you still fixin', or, did they figure you for the chancer you are, and throw you overboard?

>>1191387
Do you own all the specialty tools needed to do this? By the time you outfit your shop to do this, it may be better price wise to just purchase a warranted rebuilt engine. Sure you will not learn this way, but if you are after reliability, it maybe smarter.

And get a manual from the car manufacturer, not a crappy Haynes (the factory book will be five-eight times thicker because it includes everything, step by step).

>>1191440
>>1191447
>>1191433

ok guys calm the fuck down
i fucking did some research about this and i hold my hands up i was wrong.

example i gave was not an audi, friend drives an audi but the car he was working on was a volvo.
window switch does contain a microcontroller and does communicate on CAN bus.

the same part is used in a number of different models, if you pull the same part but from a different model/year/style i don't know the specifics but anyway it may or may not work.

the dealer has to pay head office to reprogram your second hand part to make it work.

the dealer will refuse to reprogram the part because 1) it could be stolen they don't want that headache but more importantly 2) the dealership pays head office for the software download to reprogram your part whether it works or not, if you pulled a fucked up part that is broken they will expect you to pay for the reprogramming $100++ to make them whole.
nobody is going to want to pay them for essentially nothing so they just say fuck off to avoid the hassle.

that was an '02 volvo. a fucking '02.

so i got the story wrong i'm sorry but i can't believe they haven't started coding parts to vins because it seems like the kind of cunty thing the would do. read up on john deere fucking over farmers its ridiculous.

>>1191394
Do it on a motorcycle first, they're much smaller and easier to work on and they're very fun.

Look in newspaper and internet classified ads for people selling old problem vehicles. In USA they usually say "mechanic's special" in the ad.

>>1191710
What speciality tools? 10mm, 13mm, 17mm, and 19mm socket wrench will be enough to take apart any engine.
The manual will tell you what tools you need.

In Italy everyone has a dad, grandfather or uncle with a garage that has generations worth of tools.
People born before 1990 grew up messing around with mopeds.

All you really need that isn't basic tools is a piston ring and valve compressors, and a torque wrench.
Neither are that expensive.

>I really want to buy an old long mileage (100.000+ km) used car by a car dealership and then do an engine overhaul by myself.

If getting to rebuild, I suggest buying private party instead. Dealers want markup.

I began like many mechanics rebuilding my own engines and I strongly suggest getting a rust-free or very good body on your project vehicle.

You can learn the same skills on motorcycle engines and they are lighter and much easier to work on.

If possible take an auto mechanics course because formal training is a great starting point, but you can do it yourself.

Study the fuck out of engines online and know how to use measuring tools like micrometers etc.

You can become familiar with engines by disassembling them for scrap. If you can make friends with a salvage yard they may sell you one very cheap. Get familiar with teardowns before doing rebuilds.

You can also get started learning disassembly, assembly and inspection by putting a junk engine on a cheap engine stand and take it apart as your manual directs. Then inspect everything and reassemble without new parts as a training exercise. This is far from being a wasted effort and it's how the military teaches jet engine mechanics because it's better to fuck up an engine that won't fly again.

I've trained many mechanics and technicians in the USAF and passed muh knowledge on to many civilianbros. You can do it, and if you are SYSTEMATIC and THOROUGH your abilities will grow quickly!

Take digital pics of everything. Zoom a few to learn how much better the camera can be than the eyeball.

Take notes. Consider typing a checklist so you think that way from the start.

Buy tools you need as you need them. A tool per payday no matter how minor is an old method which works well.

Have fun!

Also get familiar with brand specific forums for whatever engine you choose and /diy/ is not one of those.

>>1191738
What makes you think this is Italy?

>>1191746
>This is far from being a wasted effort and it's how the military teaches jet engine mechanics because it's better to fuck up an engine that won't fly again.

its how the military teaches all its mechanics. my first week out of school was spent tearing down and rebuilding a 4 cylinder diesel hunk of junk they kept around just for training purposes.

>>1191387
Get a bmw with m54 engine

>>1191415
Modern cars are dead simple, you plug in your 30 dollar scanner, read the code and change the part. Old cars are unreliable shits.anybody who claims their old carbureted car is the most reliable thing on the road is a liar. I was one of them, until I had to put two motors in a car with less than 100k for manufacturing defects (oil pump gear stripped and camshaft snapped in half)

>>1191387
Im a burger. We drink beer and build hotrods for fun. You can tear it down and clean it yourself. Send the head (s) and block in to a machine shop so they can properly clean and inspect them for impossible to detect cracks. They can hone or slighly bore the cylinder walls.

Can buy new rings or new larger listans and lifters if you need / want to.

Get a biger cam like an RV cam.

Get a stage 2 shift kit and pull the transmission.

Not sure about foreign cars but my advicw is to find a very common vehicle and vuy 2 or 3 junk ones to build into one food one. Forums and parts will be more plentiful. Hang around folks that tinker on your common car tyoe and you can get a lifetime of education in one night talking to them.

Good luck op!

>>1191387
100,000km isn't what I would call high mileage.

If you're looking to go into high mileage cars, I'd start looking at thing with over 275,000km on it.

It can be boat-loads of fun or an absolute nightmare. The key to rebuilding is having a great deal of patience. Take notes of every part you pull, including the condition (especially valves and heads). If you rush a rebuild, it will certainly result in failure as an overall result. I'd like to add that buying high-mileage cars is an absolute gamble at best; you can never trust anyone's word on the mileage and how it was driven.

This comes from someone who drives a '01 Integra with ~845,000km (converted from 525k miles). I've rebuilt the engine a total of 3 times, and had to have the block and heads sent off for precision work twice.

>>1192075
>read the code and change the part.
B.S.
Code doesn't tell you the part to change it tells you what it thinks is the problem.
Ask anyone stupid enough to replace a cat because of a small unmetered vacuum leak.
apparently it happens all the time lol.

>>1191387
100k km is 62k miles

Its hardly "old" or long, I'd say medium length.

>>1191929
OP says so 3rd or 4th post.

>>1192075
Code is only tells you that a sensor thinks something is wrong.
It doesn't tell you what is broken.
Most of the time things that show up as an error are things that don't even exist on older cars.
On an older car didn't need a computer, because if something went wrong you had a clear symptom.

Even with error codes and whatnot, troubleshooting a newer car is more time consuming than an older one.
Multiple things could be weong.
The sensor itself could have failed or get dirty and it would show up an error.

>>1192147
For small engines with high compression, it is way past the engine's halflife.

>>1191423
>>you can't take even a fucking window switch out of a different car without reprogramming the switch and the car
>oh fuck, are you for real?
In the EU the manufacturers are required by law to male the codes public for reprogramming a part to fit another car.
They don't.
So in a worst case scenario any bit or piece needs to be bought new instead of being bought from a scrap yard. Guess which is more expensive?
It can be as simple as a rear view mirror. Won't fit.


And by the way, surprisingly often it's cheaper to buy a new part than an old from a scrap yard. It's silly.

>>1191485
Fuck no.
Fuck old sewing machines. Get a car and start learning.

>>1192222
>In the EU the manufacturers are required by law to male the codes public for reprogramming
A few years ago you were forced to go to a certified "official" mechanic for both warranty and out of warranty servicing.

Not sure how it is now. I don't own a car with computers anymore.

>And by the way, surprisingly often it's cheaper to buy a new part than an old from a scrap yard. It's silly.

This. EU regulations have killed many scrap yards. Millions of € in old cars thrown away.

It's impossible to profit from selling parts.
Now every car in the scrapyard gets disassembled to individual parts and sent to China to become dental fillings.

Last time I went to a scrapyard I was looking for a brake disc rotor for my Mercedes.
€40 for a fucking used one. And you have to lay in the mud and pull it yourself.
Better bring lunch while you wait for the WD40 to soak in.

The parts store had brand new Danisk made ones for €39. Thats for both.

>>1191501
You would be better off private party most times. Find a dead car that is complete with good body paint and interior... if it's not running offer a few hundred and tow it off. Then start fixing.

>>1191486
>many of the manuals are lego tier in terms of accessibility.
it all seems great until the last step
'Refitting is the reverse of the removal procedure'

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

but srsly, 'remove part' well where the fuck are the bolts to remove? how many? what size? oh a picture, wait, what part of the fucking mars rover is that supposed to be because its certainly not a part of my car.

perfectly simple when you read it, different fucking story doing it.

>>1192230
>€40 for a fucking used one. And you have to lay in the mud and pull it yourself.
sounds great, $40 for rolling around in the mud and the disk for free basically!!

2 stroke motorcycle engine is the easiest thing to rebuild if you want to start small and then work your way up.

>>1191448
My parents had an old chrysler voyager that held for 800 000 km. then the chain broke.

>>1191448
An average that I see around my parts (In USA) is about 300,000 miles, or 482,000km. But it depends on how well you maintain the car. If you don't change oil or other general maintenance tasks, you can literally seize an engine in under 30k miles.

Like someone else said, start with a bike engine. It'll teach you the basics without costing you thousands of dollars. Once you're comfortable with that, go to an LS or small block Chevy. They're the easiest and cheapest to find parts for. But to give you an idea, $5k is a tight budget build LS. "Cheap" is a relative term in engines.

>>1191402

>that guy's voice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGbhJjXl9Rk

>>1191397
Holy shit the destruction.

>>1191402
Always look them up. Double and even triple-checking is always safer than assuming.

>>1191448
>so how much can a car survive in average? 400.000km?

Dependings the capacitum of the zylinderings.

Bigger motoriums last longer mileings because less stress.
Diesel last longer because more robusted built due to being compressium ignitor.
Six zylibder make more milings because better balance.

Rest of the car components is often become recyclated trash before engine died.

Average small engine 1.3l: 150 kilo kilometerum.
Average medium motorzingler 2.5l: 300 kilo

>>1192450

I pick up 3800s for like $200 and boost the shit out of them, find an 2000s impala

>>1192469
My cars:
Toyota corolla -99: a bit under 400000km.
Mercedes Benz W124 -88: don't know. Meter has stopped rolling at 400000km
Fiat ducato (or talento, it's a RV) -91: something around 250000km
Fiat ducato maxi -99: 170000km

All cars engines run good. The MB is a bit noisy but it's got over 500000km on it. The problems with these cars are that they rust. I have done quite a lot of welding to keep them in shape. I live in a climate with a snowy winter so it's kind of hard on the cars. But when they start rusting then it will just continue.

>>1193215
Used to drive a taxi/shuttle van some nights.
Some highest mileage cars I've driven:

Fiat Doblo 1.2 Diesel with 400,000 +
Peugeot 306SW 1.6 HDi. 800,000 +
Ford Transit 2.5 Dfi 500,000 +
Mercedes w211 E220 2.2 CDI 900,000+
Mercedes w124 E250 2.5 1,200,000+

Diesel engines last a surprisingly long time.
Taxis are serviced once a month or more
but they are regularly abused.

>>1192138
just use common sense and you will know immediately >>1192182
And any decent scanner will show you freeze frame data, you have a cat code and your freeze frame shows your downstream o2 operating parameters as 1-700mv, but it's reporting at 1200+ you probably have a bad sensor
This was supposed to be at the top but lol mobile
> lean fuel mix in bank 2
> mass air flow sensor, plugs, or bad o2 sensor
> on same screen o2 reports voltage in spec
> no misfire detected, also on same screen
> clean maf
> start car code gone.

>>1191387
>>1191392

You can do it, but you will pay more for random tools and new gaskets and service and replacement parts than you did for the car in the first place, I did a similar thing last year but ended up parting the car out because it was taking up too much shop space, i now own like 4 socket sets, a bunch of random awkward sockets, socket extensions, breaker bars, torque wrenches, slim spanners, torx drivers, air impact wrenches, gear pullers, valve spring compressors, not to mention ramps, jacks, dolleys and other misc shit.

>>1191447
Even Chevy trailblazers have a window switch that won't swap from one to another. That is without paying a dealership to reprogram it to work with your vehicle.

>>1191715
I'm confident that the Chinese sell a tool to reprogram them.
My dad buys tools like that all of the time. He probably doesn't replace doors and shit though.

... 100km. ...high mileage


My work truck is 260,000 Miles... its 4 years old...


Not even broken in yet

>>1191448
mine more than 480'000 km but it life is going to end soon

>>1195879
Your engine is low compression, large capacity, low stress, and a balanced configuration. Not every engine is the same.

>>1191387
Carry + Corrala owner here, just stay on top of shit, it's really not that hard to get a modernish Japanese car past 500,000km. I've done it a couple times before. Just look up online for a list of absolutely everything that you need to think about and replace it over the course of 1-2 years then after that just stay on top of things.

>>1191431
Of course you can't do this with a fucking Audi.

But if it's old enough you can remap the modules if their can. It's called a can pirate. You fuckin ass pirate faggot.