What's more /diy/core?

>>1145863
>apple or orange
this is a stupid question, go back to /b/

>>1145864
>He gets his tools confused with food items
This is a stupid post, and you're tell me to back to /b/?

>>1145863
use screws for everything
it is time consuming but the end result is worth it
don't use shitty ones though

There are times screws are needed. There are times nails are more sensible.

This is silly.

>>1145863
Both have uses. Really depends on what you're doing and some people have different preferences. I use screws wherever possible but that's my preference. Some might just use nails.

>>1145871
>Really depends on what you're doing
How so

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>>1145867
Good luck making a fence like this with screws...

>>1145863
Sometimes I drill holes for nails and sometimes I don't drill holes for screws :^D

>>1145873
>framing a house with a screw gun
>putting hardware on with nails

>>1145873
Nails are softer than screws. You want to use nails in a big wooden construct, because it 'inhales' and 'exhales' depending on the humidity of the air around it. A nail has the right give so the wood can move. A screw could snap or tear up the wood when it tries to move.

Both screws and nails have there place, they should be used for the task there are made for.

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>>1145863
bolts

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>>1145863
rivets

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Glue and dowels, my dudes

>>1145863
String and zip ties

>>1145863
Bailing wire, and ducttape

Hot glue

>>1145875
Done it, fucking sucks but I've done it, and i check to make repairs every weekend. I use that box of gold screws you can get from anywhere. 440 steel fence soon, and then I'm never touching wood fence again.

Drywall screws?
More like general purpose screws. Especially with that rattle gun

>>1145867
This.

Saber brand T-25 size torx deck screws. Unless u have a nail gun amd ina hurry.

Square deck screws are good but hard to get the bit in and out. No big until u have to do it 2 thousand times.

Just get plenty of quality short t-25 torx bits, hold your drill straight with pressure behind it and hammer down boss.

Id wager i have more money in these wood screws on hamd than most of you will ever use. Not bragging. Rhey really are just that fantastic.

>>1145875
Dude. I fucked up and put boards on the wrong side of my pantry.

>muh 4 1/2" wood screws.

Shitty faggot hedgepost fence callenge accepted.

Also improved upon by tpost and wire.

>>1145879
TOPKEK.

Underrated post. Both have uses. But if u are an orangutan with little girl wrists like me screws work better any time i can use.

>>1145863
Screws?
My dad called those "fancy jew nails"

>>1145879
But you can frame a house with screws. And it will be better than with nails.

>>1145863
Nails are the master race
Rock = hammer
Screwdrivers are not in Nature

>>1145863
Nails are for shear stresses, keep shit from moving past each other, or to hold things down.

screws pull things together, and hold some stuff up.

Structural rated screws (GRK makes some) have their threads rolled instead of grinded out, so they can do both.

Dont use drywall screws for anything you need to stay in one piece. They have their threads grinded out, they have no shear strength, etc

Screws are superior in almost every aspect. Obviously they are more time consuming than nails though.

Rule of thumb is, if you can't see it, nail it, if you can see it, put screws in it.

>>1146066
what if you hammer it with a rock then twist it around with your fingers?

>>1145873
This guy gets it:
>>1145879
Factor in time, cost and tooling. It's no going to make sense to use screws sold by the hundred over nails sold by the pound to rough frame in the same instance hardware deteriorates and screws are easier to replace with a better grab. Basically screws rarely pull out.

At the same time I'm not going to put in finish trim and skirting using screws unless I'm plugging everything, pin nails are idea while adhesive goes off.

Consider what you're doing and decide on your fixing.

>>1145863
Tape

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>>1146011
>fancy Jew nails
came here looking for this thanks anon

>>1145871
i use nails when assembling transmissions

>>1145881
Best post in this thread. Thanks anon.

>>1145889
True, for furniture, but for larger projects nails or screws might be better.
They are simply faster and easier, whilst being strong
If you have the skill, use joinery and dowels

>>1145867

>make hay wagon with screws
>throw on 3 tons of hay
>drive loaded wagon across bumpy field

Screws are to rigid and will snap under wear like that, nails provide a little more flex witch is enough to stop the hay rack from falling to pieces.

>>1145923
This. Grandpa called bailing wire "Portuguese Duck Tape." Even used it to keep the sides of his well house together instead of screwing them so he could take it apart when the pump needed repairs.

>>1145863
not an argument , screws win

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>>1145866

>>1146109

then it's not tight enough

>>1146058
In the time it takes you to frame a whole house with screws I could do 10 with nails.

>>1145876
Drilling holes for nails actually increases the risk of splitting.
With no hole, the blunt part of the nail pushes the fibers out of the way - in theory, of course.

>>1146784

Your own argument defeats itself. If there are no fibres in the way there's nothing to move, hence no splitting.

>>1145863
>what tool is better for the different jobs they are meant for?

Hurr

>>1146734
10 worse houses

>>1146784
You're confusing old cut nails with wire nails.

>>1146861
10 houses framed with nails are up to code and are worth more than one house over engineered

>>1145863
Generally, what fails in homes during high winds, earthquakes, etc, is the wood, not the fasteners. Switching to screws just adds cost and complexity while not actually making anything better. While there are places in home construction where it is wiser to use screws over nails they generally aren't in the frame. An example being the wood siding on my place. Years of hot and cold, moist and dry air has caused the nails holding up some of my wood siding to work loose and I can't hammer them back down anymore. I replaced them with screws. Problem solved.

>>1147001
I wouldn't want to build myself anything less than comically overengineered

>>1145863

I was fixing a dect that I managed to smash at work because I was hurrying.

One of our hands led a fence crew for 20+ years. He explained to me that do it yourselfers build things to last forever. Even if they won't. Pros build things that are easy to build, easy to repair, and do their jobs.

This was a /diy/ deck. It was a nightmare to fix. Screws are /diy/

what project is this?
what a fucking useless thread, go on Omegle if you want to chat

>>1146069
>Structural rated screws (GRK makes some) have their threads rolled instead of grinded out, so they can do both.
99% of screws are rolled, is cheaper to make them that way. But often they are made of soft ductile steel, wich is the reason they aren't as strong as other screws made of harder steel or heat threated

>>1147136
/thread

>>1147246
desu rolling aneals them so they are better than machined threads which hardened which results in them being brittle. rolled threads on the other habd are more ductile which makes make them better.
>strong
strength is not what you think it is. In engineering strength is akin to stress but under a standard design

>>1145867
yep
>nails
not even once

>>1145875
>wanting to make a fence like that

>>1147354
Cold rolling actually decreases ductility as any cold working does, senpai. It raises the yield point, though. It's called work hardening for something.

>>1147001
>Up to code

There's always one faggot who cites 'code'.

Code is a buzzword for dumb cunts who can't do anything without instruction.

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>>1147390
Agreed. The code is the bare minimum you want to build to. It is designed so even an alchy high school drop out can manage to not fuck it up.

>>1147474
Yet they do.

>>1147474
And what qualification you have to question the code?
There is a reason code exists. Its to provide a baseline. Otherwise everyone would be running in random directions using "buzzwords" to cut corners and what not

>>1147478
>And what qualification you have to question the code?
>There is a reason code exists.

See:
>>1147390
>Code is a buzzword for dumb cunts who can't do anything without instruction.

Code doesn't mean fuck all other than:
>>1147474
> The code is the bare minimum you want to build to.

That's it. The bare minimum. It doesn't mean you should expect quality workmanship or quality results and it certainly doesn't mean anyone worth their salt couldn't do as good a job if not better without referring to the IKEA manual.

>>1147528
>without referring to the IKEA manual.
What I had in mind was something along the lines of codes and standards of ASME, AWS, and API standards.

>>1147758
You just don't get it, do you?

>>1147774
well then please do explain why codes are for faggots and why you guys are so so professional that hurr durr i dont need codes.
>implying codes were not made after years of study

>>1147853
I can't explain it any more than already has been in this thread. Maybe codes of practice are right for you. Don't fuck it up, guy.

>>1146273
No

>>1147476
That is because being high on meth and addicted to pain killers wasn't being accounted for. They didn't think they were that dumb.

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>2017
>Amerifats and britbongs still nailing together some flimsy 4x2-shit construction

Step up your game, poorfags

>>1148644
Our houses are disposable. Development means they'll get bought for teardowns in many areas including rich neighborhoods. We could probably convert to yurts and be fine.

>>1146734
driver vs hammer or gun vs gun?
screw gun is just as quick as a nail gun.
drill might be slower than a heavy hammer but no way 10x.
by hand with a screwdriver then sure, 100x even.

Honestly I can't stand building anything I can't easily dismantle so it's screws for me

opening scenene of got se6 ? where hoound is building a sept...wooden dowels best

>>1148671
>Honestly I can't stand building anything I can't easily dismantle so it's screws for me

Yeah, that's an advantage in many cases (not house framing, but...)

I have often run into circumstances working single-handed where it was much easier to hold the work and drive a screw than it would have been to rig up some clamp or whatnot to hold while I hammer in nails.

>>1148662
screw gun isnt as fast as a nail gun

>>1148671
this guy doesn't have a wrecking bar and sledge

>>1148907

I think he meant "disassemble without fucking up the wood"

>>1148908
i reclaim old wood and i dont fuck it up and thats what i use

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>>1148906
>he doesnt have an auto loading screwgun

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Screws no question. You can take things apart way easier to fix things also they are just more precise then a nail. Really nails are only good for siding and shingles everything else go with the screw. Pic Unrelated

>>1148910
i still think nailgun is faster, especially for longer fasteners.

glue

>>1148912
>Really nails are only good for siding and shingles

And framing. And fencing (some of the time). And brads are useful in furniture-making and picture frames. And...

Screws are good for some things and nails are good for some things and there's some overlap.

magnets

>>1145866
>tools
Did you mean: Fasteners or Hardware?

>>1146734
Jokes on you, I frame houses 10x slower than retards.

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>>1145863
>>1145889
>Glue

hot glue like every youtube diyer