New Homeowner toolkit

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>>1143514
Don't get me wrong, Metabo is a fine brand. But why one should fork out ₤200 when I can get pic related for €175 (as an example) is beyond me.

>>1143544
Hmm that's a nice suggestion, but I like having 2 drills, I make stuff out of wood, lots of drilling and screwing, Its nice to have one for each.

I suppose that still doesn't justify buying the impact driver though. Could probably get something even cheaper for just screwing.

>>1143514
>240 USD
do you britbongs not have yardsales/swapmeets/etc?

never buy new the first time you get a tool. 240 USD would buy me damn near a whole wood shop.

>>1143567

The 12V tools have improved a lot in the last few years, something from half a decade ago wouldn't really compare to the punch of these modern ones.

>>1143573
I wouldn't touch anything under 18V, even for drywood. But he was talking about the price, where I disagree. I worked with cheap tools when I was younger and it just made me give up on more than a few things. Got my hands on new DeWalt/Makita tools and I come up with excuses to use them.

>>1143612
Meant drywall.

Somebody's mad they can't afford anything better than a Ryobi

>>1143514

>I might get a separate corded hammer drill for concrete but that's a rare need.

A cheap Lidl cordless SDS drill will handle concrete better than an expensive normal chuck hammer drill.

>DESU not sure why I need an impact driver but they seem to excite people.

Supposedly with magnetic screw holders (which are very handy, they also act as a depth stop so you can't put the screw too deep in wood/drywall) the impact drill is nice, gives the screw some momentum so when the screw holder reaches the surfaces the drill doesn't round it off the screw head. I don't have an impact driver to actually verify this though.

BTW, this set is substantially cheaper :

http://www.mtmc.co.uk/Metabo-Combo-Set-2.5-10.8-V-Combi-Drill--Impact-Driver-Set__p-107822.aspx

Doesn't have the 4ah battery and round corner screw attachment, but it does have a hammer function on the drill (forget concrete, but it will handle masonry).

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>>1143544
Dude, this thing is perfect for putting together furniture and putting up shelves.

Good find.

>>1143612
Is the extra power really useful for home use?
I always use a corded hammer drill for brick walls.

>>1143567
We don't go outside and talk to people much here, it rains. Also I'd like to buy tools that'll last me until my son buys a house, just like my father did.

>>1143654
If you need compact that's a different story. But every 12V I've worked with ended up struggling, even with wood, and burned itself out. 18Vs have enough power to handle it and settings to prevent the drill from stripping out a fastener or pushing it in too deep.

So if you start with a cheap 12V, that's $$ less you have to spend on a quality 18V. Obviously worth it to run through the cheap shit if you need an entire shop all at once on a budget. But if you're planning to build a couple cabinets you can wait a while before you get that impact wrench if it means higher quality tools for the task at hand.

>>1143544
Jesus christ, 175 euro's for a cordless screw driver?

Tiny battery, only 12v and it doesn't look like you could do anything serious with it.

>>1143666
For that price might as well get a Milwaukee 12v

>>1143662

> But every 12V I've worked with ended up struggling, even with wood

Did you ever use a modern ~35nm? Or were you trying to put holes in for 1" lag bolts?

The bushing for the axel, now those tend to get fucked rather easily on 12V tools. But I can live with a bit of wobble.

>>1143677
..and why on earth would anybody want to pay 175 EUR for some Chink Piece of Shit like Milwaukeee, when you have the option of Kwality Germun Engineerung here, like BOSCH and Metabo?

>>1143662
We're looking at ~expensive 12V drills, not cheap ones. They claim to be powerful enough to drive a 20mm spade bit. Hopefully quality tools don't burn out when driven hard.

Compact just seems more useful to a home DIYer. Especially British homes where everything is small and cramped.

>>1143684
Many Europeans here so Euro made is cheaper (don't Milwaukee make in USA?). Also fuck chink shit, it is ruining the tool industry.

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>>1143514
I prefer these think I got the set for like $150. Rattle gun is inferior when it comes to screws.
Have a different drill that I use for drilling holes

>>1143687
>(on't Milwaukee make in USA?
lol - fuck no, in 1924 still, maybe.

'Milwaukee' are now a mere cog in a charming Hong Kong based investment holding and tool patent troll operation called TTI (along with ChinksBoughtUs Brands like Ryobi, AEG, etc) The last 'Milwaukee' factories actually in Milwaulkee got shuttered in favor of Chinese factories about 10 years ago. Tho, a TTI shill will doubtless be along shortly to tell you, *every* Power Tool is Made in China nowadays. That aint true either.

Just going to toss this out - you should never ask "do I need to buy..." - you buy tools when you've torn out clumps of hair over how the NEXT time you do something, you're going to have the right tool.

People buying shit they never use is why I have a decked out wood shop I spent 30% on. (Example: Makita 10" compound sliding miter saw with stand for $75).

Or... go ahead and keep buying shit based on expectation of use. I occasionally need to replace things.

>>1143701
Argh, even many Metabo tools are made in China, though at least they own the factory, not out sourcing.
I guess I have to pay the premium with Fein, Festool and top Metabo if I want to avoid China.

At least it isn't too hard to buy hand tools made in Europe. Not too expensive either.

>>1143727
I totally agree with you.
However a drill is essential and basic. But there are a lot of options, getting the right option without wasting cash needs a little help. Also I've tried drilling without a drill, not great :D

I'm getting the impression that an impact driver is totally unnecessary.

>>1143727
>People buying shit they never use is why I have a decked out wood shop I spent 30% on.

this is why i said >>1143567

weekend warriors with too much disposable income are better than fuckin' santa claus. god bless their wives for making them get rid of their shit for pennies on the dollar.

never buy new. there is always some yuppie chump who bought the top of the line and used it once.

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>>1143514
>not makita, dewalt, or milwakee

>>1143544
This.

A friend of mine was looking at the metabo and eventually found a Bosch 2 piece kit and went with that.

The metabo is just rebranded chinkshit. The exact same drill comes under a couple of brands.

>>1143612
I've no idea what you're talking about. I've got a makita 10.8v brushless drill and I've comfortably put a 10mm hole through a 1" RSJ with it.

>>1143701
Home Depot hardware sales monkey here, some Dewalt tools are "Made in the US with globally sourced materials" but they are just as meh as the other stuff.

if you want a pro-tip heres one; it doesnt matter where your tools are made, but it does matter where the batteries are. cheap shit brands are made in China but better stuff like Makita and Hilti are made in Korea and Japan. a Japanese battery will run longer and more charges than some cheap Chinese one made of melted down cell phones.

>>1143868
also Milwaukee tools are made in China but 100% designed in the US so they dont cut as many corners as other brands like Black and Decker.

>>1143870
>They

That's where you're wrong, kiddo. The parent TTI give them a budget and if it's not within its not made. Design is half the battle but lost when TTI insist on chinkshit parts.

>>1143884
thats why i said they dont cut *as many* corners as other brands. Milwaukee is pretty much the only brand that uses metal gearing across their entire line, even Bosch and Makita have consumer-level platforms that cheap out on key parts to reduce production costs. thats one of the good things about TTI's multiple brands, you know what you can expect when it comes to price and quality, if you want something better just move up in brands and price until you find something reliable and well made.

>>1143996
oh lookee, its our Resident Tool Shill, Mr TTI HomeDerp Man. Again.
>if you want something better just move up in [TTI] brands and price until you find something reliable and well made
how about, you just buy tools from a manufacturer who isn't, by your own admission, a producer of cheaply-made chinkshit in the first place?
Oh, I forgot 'all tools are equally shit, when not TTI '101% US-Designed' Top-of the-Range Milwaukee' etc.

TTI have a range of brands for the same reason there are Democrat and Republican Parties, Labour & Conservatives, etc. - to fool peeps into thinking, they had a choice. Unlike other manufacturers,TTI is *all* 100% Chink Crap, Guaranteed, but, a fact not even you can plausibly BS your way around. Yet, still you try, and try.

>>1143514
didn't metabo get bought by hitachi or some shit? thats what a dude in the power tools and boat repair store said when i bought my new drill

>>1144037
>just buy tools from a manufacturer who isn't a producer of cheaply-made chinkshit in the first place?

who does that leave you with anymore? Hilti and Festool? even Bosch tools are mostly made in Asia now and Metabo is pretty hard to find in the US.

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>>1144039
Yep, the future is grim
>>1144047
See this list and cry yourself to sleep.
http://toolguyd.com/tool-brands-corporate-affiliations/
Stanley is murdering brands hard. As is everyone else.

>>1143636
This shit had me laughing.

>>1143996
Save yourself embarrassment and stop.

>>1144039
>>1144076
Its far far far worse.
KKR purchased Hitachi Koki Tools this year, that includes Metabo.

KKR is a leveraged buyout specialising private equity firm. They love asset stripping, anything for quick profit. Hitachi and Metabo are totally fucked.

>>1144047
Makita is still the same original company.

>>1144109
Makita is still the same company but most of their tools are made in China, only their batteries are still manufactured in Japan.

I bought lots of different brands in the past. Recently picked up some Lidl tools as it's almost for free. Not using my old tools any more. It's surprisingly good.

>>1144375
Not at all true. Some of their tools are made in China but not all or even most. This is what I like about Makita, they have a factory in countries where their markets are strongest and most have a specific set of tools or items it manufactures. Here in the UK it's woodworking gear. Jigsaws, sanders and all that.

>>1143514
i would only trust a battery tool as long as the warranty so i wouldnt spend that much on a battery set

id go for a more reasonably priced dewalt set and use a credit card to extend the warranty or buy an extended warranty

impact is good but i wouldnt get that tiny one, go 3/8 or 1/2 for automotive work. simple cordless drill/driver for house stuff. but yea variable speed and clutch are necessary. biggest plus is having AT LEAST 2 batteries. seriously. i hate waiting for them to charge.

set of sockets, ratchets, extensions, and adapters. HF is fine, good warranty on hand tools and for average home user they are fine.

quick change bits and magnetic bit holder are super helpful. nice set of drill bits in a case.

i hate ratcheting screw drivers..... just a regular hard plastic handled set is the way to go

decent set of pliers with insulated handles. needle nose and regular. monkey wrench. small and large adjustable wrench.

EVERYONE should have a leatherman super tool

double edge pull saw is a great addition, good tape measure.. those are my most commonly used

When I moved out I took all the tools my dad had 2 or more of lol.

You'll need a hammer, some drills, a good set of bits (Phillips, flat, torx), some regular screwdrivers. One of em bigass tongs to use with plumbing (what's the name?) . Some spanners, I got 2 combination wrenches. Something to hold your work that's not yer hands- vice is optimal.
Some files come in handy.
One of em screwdrivers with a light in em that lights up if it touches a live wire.
A fretsaw with proper blades - won't give the best cut but can do rounds and be stored easily.
If you can, get contractor-grade tools. Those work like a beast and last longer - but cost more. Saving 10 minutes when drilling holes adds up really fast tho.

Clamps: one can never have enough. Keep a bunch of all manner of hold-stuff-things around (rubber bands, zip ties, magnets, ropes, vice-grips,...)

>>1143514
nah, if it has a clutch, it's a weak piece of shit. get a corded drill. those wimpy things can pump out a max of 50W. then look at the corded drills, 500W.

first time you need to drill through something solid, you'll hate yourself for getting a tool with a battery that you need to charge three times just for one hole.

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>>1145179
>nah, if it has a clutch, it's a weak piece of shit. get a corded drill.

how many new homeowners are putting holes in reinforced steel or half a meter of concrete? go build some Ikea furniture or hang some drapes with a corded drill without a speed brake and come back to us with your stripped screws and broken wrists.