Making chainmail

>>1121109
*any

get a fuckton of cut rings, tangle them together and profit

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>>1121109
>dat butted mail
>dat meme cross

>>1121109
Yeah. Focus on making high quality jewelry that you can actually sell to people, not that galvanized wire bullshit you're wasting your time with and that attrociously large aspect ratio.

>>1121151
We'll see what you're going to say when Muslims going to start world war III

>>1121109
>butted chain mail
i guess i cant expect anything more from a 12 year old.

>>1121109

get a drill and fixate a rod with the diameter of the rings you'd prefer

drill a hole in the rod with the diameter of the iron wire and bend the wire inserted in the hole

turn on the drill and make a wire spring

cut the spring away from the bended part

remove the spring

use wire cutters and make the rings

either start weaving the rings as it is

or in the case you want to do it right

squash the ends of the ring and drill a small hole to chain the ring for itself - thus making butted mail

do not use stainless steel wire if you go for authenticity

as for the waving process itself, get on youtube for the pattern

>>1121109

Rivet it.
6 in 1.

>>1121109
Use a jump ring tool.

>>1121109
If thats the coated rebar tie wire, its going to corrode if that black sooty finish comes off. if its shiney, oil it.

>>1121616
>use wire cutters and make the rings
people don't actually do that, do they? why not use a saw

>>1121109
Wear gloves specialy if using fence wire or galvanized wire that shit is poison

When your hands hurt, stop.
For reals, when I turned 30 my thumbs basically fell off.

>>1121837
Actually, using something that sheers like Bypass Sheet Metal Snips is better than using a saw or disc to cut. The sheer cut allows you to spot weld the rings closed. This is because they slightly overlap due to the cut angle. Butt end cuts from saws/discs aren't as good for that, but far better than pinch cutting pliers. If you aren't soldering or spot welding then butt end cuts are best. Like for jewelry.

>>1121855
>>1121855
How????????????

>>1121109
If you're not riveting or welding the rings then you're wasting your time for a shitty prop.

>>1121577
>inb4 bulletproof chainmail

>>1121125
reenactor detected

>>1122087
Muslims can get knives too you know

>>1122808
>implying chainmail will be effective against stabbing motions
[ faint wew lad in the distance ]

>>1121837
When I fucked around with making some chainmail I just used some aviation shears to cut the spring into rings, which worked really well.

If you're just doing this for a hobby and don't already own a suitable saw, there's not really much point unless you're making enough rings to justify buying the saw.

>>1122819
chainmail is made to prevent blades from cutting/stabbing you, just gives less protection than full plate, but both are shit against blunt damage

>>1121883
hyperbole

>>1122863
Thank God, lol. I torture my hands.

>>1122819
Unless you're using what's basically a needle, yes, chainmail is incredibly effective against stabbing attacks. That's why they had to make swords specifically designed with long, slender needle points to combat it.

>>1121855
i had to stop cutting rings in high school when the ring and pinky fingers on my right hand went numb,

that shit lasted for days, fucking sucked

>>1121109
dont fuck up right horizontal and vertical direction

>>1122827
>>1123214
Modern chainmail is worthless against modern knives. You'd need to use forged rings that are hardened and tempered to have any chance against a knife. Of course with chainmail there's still no defence against a stiletto.

>>1125634
It's worthless because it's butted, not because of the material. Mild steel will work fine against any blade that's thick enough to be stopped to begin with if it's made properly, ie riveted/welded together.

>>1121616
>turn on the drill and make a wire spring

nice way to have a degloving accident. Not pretty, trust me.

Make your rod, with a crank. Turn it by hand.

Takes 30 seconds longer, will prevent you losing a finger if it gets snagged in the wire.

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>>1121109

I make jewellery out of maille as a hobby, but I'm tired of cutting them out with a tiny saw. No way I'll be using wire cutters either, it looks like shit.
Any better ideas for cutting them out, other than buying cut rings?

Armourer reporting in.
>>1122827
Bullshit. A proper plate armour will laugh out almost any blunt trauma.
>>1125634
A flattened and riveted ANNEALED ring made from 3/32" steel rod needs 90 lbs to open up. And that's only one single ring.
>>1121109
As for OP, go and order pre made flattened and drilled rings from India. Much cheaper than fucking around with it yourself.

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>>1121109

>>1126134
>/diy/ - order it on amazon

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>tfw there are people in this thread who don't know how to forge weld a ring together
It's a process that takes maybe 5 seconds per ring. It's not hard.

>>1125634
>>1126134
this is true but people make mail for larping and fashion. its no joke that soldiers on paper were extremely wealthy. a knight would own a stable of horses, a set of armour, a few serfs to carry it all and weapons. all of which cost a lot of money. your full set of armour took a few guys half a year to make and steel wasnt exactly something that you found just lying around the place. of course they tended to own nothing but the armour on their backs which they received as a gift from the king. peasants wore a few thick blankets desu.

>>1126286
>5 seconds a ring
>10000 rings for a vest
>~13h of welding rings

>>1121109
>any advices?
make more swastikas.

>>1126286
>forge weld a ring
You mean solder, you dunce.

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>>1121109
plate is cooler

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I want to know how to make mass amounts of dragonscale cheaply.
All I can think of is making a steel punch to cut the shape out of a sheet of aluminum or tin, then carving a top and bottom block to sandwich the metal between and hit it with a hammer to shape the ridge.

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Also you guys may want to look up Chinese mountain pattern, while the exact deatails have been debated the proposed reproductions offer intresting mix ideas of scales and mail.

>>1126527
>>1126286
Actually I think you are both wrong.

Soldering takes like 5 seconds and is not hard. You just melt some secondary material (below 450°C) to glue the parts together. If done right it can be surprisingly strong, you want good bonding geometry and minimal heat affected zones.

Forge welding is where you heat the parts till they are red hot and hammer the heck out of them to create a new fused micro crystal structure in the metal, this is one of the strongest bonding methods when done right and is often used in high performance applications as it make a single solid piece. Maybe if you had some specialized machine you could do it in five seconds with out much trouble, like some automated assembly line, but by hand it is going to be hard work.

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>>1126572
spot welding maybe, but forge welding is heating up the whole piece in a forge. This creates slag on the surface, the hammering will stretch out the metal and make it thin. It's actually not possible to forge weld two ends of wire together.You have to upset metal to forge weld. You hammer it into itself to make it thick, this accounts for the thinning that naturally occurs when you hammer hot pieces together.

Soldering is still the ideal way, but it will take a while.

I have seen samples of pinned chainmaille, but it doesnt look clean.

>>1121109
Kill yourself

>>1126574
Spot welding is in the middle,
but I think brazing would be best overall for this.

The higher temps mean you can use stronger secondary material, but ideally keep it low enough as to not create weaken heat effective zones.

Depends on the material selection, obviously. Else soldering, when done right. Bonding and geometry are important as you can get thin film lamination effects here given surprising strength.

Forge weld wire is such a pain very few bother as that thinning is a real problem even when overlapping with extra material. Also you can do local forging, as the whole piece don't need to be red hot, but that is exceedingly hard with thin wires as they conduct more then you want for that kind of work basically forcing you to heat the whole thing to get the temps you want at the bonding area. There are ways to minimize and control slag, but really many of these problems are with the geometry, small wire are just hard to work on.

>>1126593 more
I would actually think about something like keyring.
One could mass produce them to desired qualities, then easily slide them together without major risk of deformation. Then braze the middle area with a small bead covering the ends, the grove of the keyring would give a very large bonding surface area with a low exposer profile which is exactly what you want.

Only thing is where to find hardened titanium key rings the right size, and cost.
The more elaborate my ideas get the more my accountant reminds me why I should make things. I need to find my older designs from back when I was brainstorming with the Metallurgic grad students, we cooked up some insane ideas.

>>1126548
If you had a press you wouldn't need to file, slow pressure on metal is easier and if you made a jig for your press you could do 40 or so scales at once

>>1126527
No. I mean forge welding.
>>1126572
>>1126574
You're both wrong. You don't even need to flux or scarf the material. If you overlap the two ends of the rings heat it up white hot and simply tap it, they'll be welded together permanently with very little thinning.

It's just that the process would take awhile to do.

if you do a 1 in 4 or 1 in 6 pattern you could get solid washers in a large enough quantity then you would only need one open ring per 4 or 6 or however many

>>1125696
This looks pretty cool, never heard of this before. Thanks.

>>1126536
Why not both?

>>1121109
If you want something to wear just for the looks, aluminium is the way to go, it will be light and you can even anodize it to make it any colour you would like.

If you want something useful just get a stainless steel shirt made by someone with a ring welding machine. They use these for shark suits, lumberjack socks and butcher gloves.
Unless you really want to make it yourself this is the way to go since its cheaper(maybe) and wont kill your wrists

>>1125696
full of holes, are you kidding? Do you even try to protect?

>>1128849
uh, chain mail is made of holes...

>>1121125
>>1121589
>>1121768

This.
Kill yourself OP.

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>European 4-1
step up, OP

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>>1125667
Not true. I brought a patch of pic related (14 swg stainless) to my local renfaire and had the sword shop go nuts on it. Regardless of the fact that the rings were butted the sword cut many of the rings in half. This is the strongest weave I know.

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>>1126548
whatever you do, promise me you won't just sew the scales onto a crocheted glove like in your pic.

and scale is not dragonscale. Pic related is dragonscale.

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just posting more interesting weaves than E4-1.

>>1130526
>the sword cut many of the rings in half.
Most stainless steels are soft as shit compared to carbon steels a sword would be made of unless you heat treated it after making the mail.

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>>1130628
The argument was that butted rings are worthless because they're butted. The fact is that a good sword will slice the ring in half regardless, especially since most riveting techniques I've seen involve tempering the steel to be softer before flattening and punching. I suppose you could temper it back to hard but I've never seen anyone actually do that.

>>1121109
>that dice box
You gonna wear it while playing d&d?

>>1130735
chain mail is great for making dice bags, actually.

>>1130630
And your argument is total bullshit because you used a weak shit metal for the rings and struck it with something much harder. 300 series stainless when not hardened barely registers on the HRC scale to the point it's measured on the HRB scale instead. The materials you're trying to talk about are going from ~55HRC to like 40-45. 300 series are a whopping 12. Learn some goddamn metallurgy before you spout shit. Butted mail is shit because it's butted. Yours was extra shit because it was butted and made of soft metal.

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>>1130775
>poorfag innna college, inna D&D group
>find a piece of what I assume to be bailing wire on the side of the road
>wind it into a coil, chop it into rings, butt them into mail, construct dice bag
>it's cool as fuck
>it constantly sheds surface rust and stains everything in my backpack.

dang.

>>1131039
so you're telling me mild steel that's tempered to be even softer before flattening is harder than that?

>>1131101
Real chainmail isn't made of mild or stainless steel is the point I'm trying to make and you're an idiot for thinking a butted, stainless steel patch of mail is a good analogue for anything even remotely similar to what was made in the middle ages.

>>1131104
So what was it made of, then? It's easy to tell me I'm wrong but I don't see you out there actually testing anything or even offering constructive information that doesn't come with a handful of insults.

Historical mail was typically around 16 swg, 3/8" riveted E4-1. My patch was 14 swg, 5/16" butted Vipera Berus (mostly 6-1). I have a very hard time believing that steel from the middle ages was that much stronger than modern stainless considering the differences in weave density and ring sizes, riveted or not.

>>1131110
>I have a very hard time believing that steel from the middle ages was that much stronger than modern stainless
Stainless isn't fucking hard. There is a massive difference between hardness and toughness. I said this before, unless you're looking at something specific like 440C, SS is soft as fuck for a steel. They would have used something high carbon that would have been far harder.

>lol pre-modern metallurgy a shit
No, read a fucking book for once.

>>1131118
>lol pre-modern metallurgy a shit
I never said that. Let's just agree that I don't know anything about metal and you don't know anything about mail.

>>1131125
>Let's just agree that I don't know anything about metal and you don't know anything about mail.
If you don't know anything about metal then you know nothing about armor. The two go together.

>>1131129
I know about AR and weave density which are huge parts of armor.

>>1131131
And they all come second to what the actual metal is unless you enjoy wearing a 300 pound shirt of mail.

>>1131133
we're talking about a 4x6" patch.

>>1122819
> he doesn't wear 1/4 inch steel plates over his chainmail
Lol cuck

>>1131136
>the point
>your head


The softer the material, the thicker it needs to be. Fancy weaves will only get you so far if what it's being smacked with is literally three to five times as hard.

Congrats you have autism

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>>1131110
You know, he didn't start insulting you until you completely ignored what he was trying to tell you.

>>1131140
then I'll make my next test patch out of diamond (the hardest metal).

>>1131145
But anon, then you get to find out another fun property. Brittleness.

>>1131144
not true

>>1131039

Butted is shit, but not completely worthless.
I made a vest out of butted 14ga 1/4" rings.
Put it over a pillow and couldnt stab through it with a small dagger.
Easily stops slashing things like machetes and box knives.

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>>1121109
>>1122819

German police is using chainmail against stabing

Filename means
>Trouble in the refugee square

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>>1131633
more Polizei
from what i read these are made from aluminium

I've heard that using chainmail is good for cast iron cleaning, would just a simple butted weave be good enough for that?

>>1131639
yes, something like 20 awg, 1/8" butted would be fine.

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>>1131634
>aluminium
I find that extremely hard to believe considering the rings look like they're about 22 awg. they're probably welded stainless like shark suits are.

>>1130535
That's a sexy bishops mantle

>>1131085
if you run it in the dryer for a few hours with some towels it will look like chrome and will stop rusting easily(as long as it doesn't get wet or excessively handled)

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>rivetfags ruin another chain mail thread

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>>1126134
>order pre made flattened and drilled rings from India. Much cheaper than fucking around with it yourself.
Where would one order these? Maybe I'm retarded or my Google-fu has gotten weak but I can't find a site for ordering rings like these anywhere.

I did find one site to order pre-made rings (pic related) but these obviously are not flattened and drilled but probably are still better than ones I would end up making myself. Is 27€ for 3kg of these a good deal?

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To make the rings I used like a meter of 10mm roundstock, garbage grade.
Drill hole perpendicular near end
Thread in end of 1.5 mm steel wire ( I had like 100 m left over from garden fence I tore apart)
Bend over wire
Put rod in drill, slowly turn
Create massive spring that fucks up your hand one you let go
Take anglegrinder with thin disk to separate rings
Put em together
Realise how much fukken work it is.
Pic related is like 12 m of wire. Decided fuck it after that

>>1133409
And you're even doing the completely ahistorical 10mm rings. Imagine how much work it would've been with 6mm.

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>>1133428
Riveted maille gets overlapped by @ 1/4", so only a bit more work... you have to consider armorers would have had at least 1-2 apprentices on hand too, so the time investment for the shop wasn't quite as bad as it seems.

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If you happened to have shitloads of smallish washers lying around and were to make a chainmail out of them by combining them in this manner with rings (represented with brownish lines) how functional do you guys think it would be as an armor? I mean at least washers are single solid pieces of metal so they should be pretty strong against direct stabs.

At least doing a chainmail-like armor in manner should save you some time if you don't care about historical accuracy...

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>>1133480
Actually, that's at least partially historicly accurate; plenty of examples in museums with just the column rings riveted, the rest solid (the solid rings being punched out of sheet steel, exactly like washers). Just stay away from galvanized steel, heat treating it will kill you.

>>1133480
yes, that would be called Japanese 6-1. This sort of thing is historically accurate to an extent.

>>1131633
>>1131634
what a ridiculous country