Tunneling Into Solid Granite

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Oh, and in b4 "lol Radon enjoy your cancer fgt". I know I need ventilation.

Pic: Same bedrock

lol Radon enjoy your cancer fgt

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Gonna need one of these

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>>1102470
And one of these

>>1102456
lel whats your budget?
you can try mining mining equipment - air hammer, air drill or the things you mentioned all is expensive AF

>>1102456
if you are going to do something like that, just chisel/cut/grind/polish the top of that thing flat and build a cabin around a bitching granite slab foundation.

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>>1102470
>>1102471
Those are lovely and all, and I'd suck a lot of dicks to get my hands on them, but I have a fucking house to build and a full time job, so I can't outlay $60,000 on a skid-steer and then $25,000 on the attachment. Besides, I don't need to make a tunnel large enough for a fucking skid-steer to fit through.

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>>1102472
I would like to spend less than $10,000 on equipment.

If I put a coring bit on my electric rotary hammer drill I should be able to cut holes pretty quick, it's mostly about how many cubic feet of rock I could remove in an afternoon of drinking beer. (currently, I dig out the rock while drinking beer)

>>1102475
I'm going to have a landscaper come in and clear the rest of the dirt around it, creating a level dirt area for a house foundation and a massive exposed rock. Trust me, I'm heavily considering a flat, polished, solid granite patio.

>>1102476
i think you seriously underestimate how labor intensive what you are trying to accomplish is.

>>1102477
you gona reuse the mined rock for the house?

>>1102478
also, don't even get me started on moisture control issues.

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>>1102478
And you're saying this to a guy who spends his weekend evenings shoveling the topsoil off of a large rock?

>>1102489
Get a hammer drill, and black powder, you can remove feet of it at a time pretty controlled by just drilling holes in and sending spark down cheap copper wire to them.

Im the dude who has the thread about building a doorway into the dirt, I did all of my research on mining techniques and thats the easiest way to remove stone.

>>1102490
Also don't forget to plug the tops of the black powder inlets, might want to see if you can find a mining supplier nearby so you can just buy all of that shit for cents on the dollar in large quantities.

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>>1102481
So long as I could produce suitable pieces of rock from the process: fuck yes.

>>1102487
V E N T I L A T I O N

>>1102489
for 10,000$ you can hire a guy to come in with machinery and carve you out a 3 sided box (a fully enclosed granite cave is out of your budget). you can wrap your basement/foundation around it and call it all good.

you could do it yourself with a lot of fucking patience and a 6' rock drill and a few other masonry tools. good luck. i'd just hire the guy. scratch that, i'd just spend the 10k on way more efficient square footage.

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>>1102490
>>1102491

Interesting. Do you have any link or archive I could check?

I had considered blasting, both explosive and non-explosive (dexpan). My biggest concern is the integrity of the surrounding rock. If I can make a tunnel without having to rebar and shotcrete then that is preferable, which is why my main objective is relief cutting and splitting,

>>1102494
Blasting is fastest and easiest method,

You must realize ancient man could get 20 feet of tunneling done through solid bedrock a year using the heating and beating method where you heat the rock and smash it.

Blasting lets you maybe triple that since you remove a foot as fast as you can drill and pack.

>>1102495
You will want to rebar and shotcrete regardless if you care about safety, the irony of hard stone is it doesn't show any danger until it explodes. But the odds of that occurring are quite astronomical?

This person is a good starting resource, mining and tunneling information is quite limited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMosDgH_rkI

In that video he fires off his first explosive.

>>1102501
>You will want to rebar and shotcrete regardless if you care about safety

and this is why i say a tunnel type deal is out of your price range. you can still get the "granite mancave" effect by just cutting a notch out instead of going full minecraft,

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>>1102497
Hey man, I feel you.

My only concern is just the integrity of the surrounding rock. Explosive is great and all, but for such a small area (maybe 4ft by 7ft tunnel to a room 10ft cubed) I can shell out the cash to buy something like this:

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Darda-Hydraulic-Rock-Splitter-For-Hot_60384333130.html

In addition, I have the utility of an asset that I can use in the future on my property (which is basically a rock-farm)

>>1102504
Alibaba requires negotiation, basically after you offer for it they assemble it, if the price is too low don't pay for it.

Also blasting is just a matter of buying a spool of wire, earplugs, a hammer drill, and gunpowder from your local gunstore.

Its pretty cheap

>>1102504
>My only concern is just the integrity of the surrounding rock.

it doesn't matter how you remove the rock, if you are trying to do a legit tunnel like that, you are going to need shotcrete, rebar, and probably some bolts sunk a few feet into the stone.

>>1102509
>>1102510

I fear, but don't want to admit, that both of you may be correct.

yo, actual stonemason here.
this doesn't look like granite to me on first glance, can you take a picture of a clean broken surface of the rock?

you won't be able to "dig" a tunnel with the wedge method, neither by hand nor that hydraulic thingie, as you't split the whole thing. there is no possibility to only split the rock "so far".

cutting it with a diamon bladed saw and then breaking off the chips with a chisel would work, but if that's actual granite that will take ALOT of time, as in years. you'll also burn through lots of diamond saw-blades and they are pretty expensive.

>>1102519
>cutting it with a diamon bladed saw and then breaking off the chips with a chisel would work, but if that's actual granite that will take ALOT of time, as in years. you'll also burn through lots of diamond saw-blades and they are pretty expensive.
This. I am building a house on rock and I have carved out some smaller areas where I don't want water to be standing. Shit. Is. SLOW! You can't do it. Impossible. You will pay so much for the angle grinders as they last only for a limited time especially when cutting dusty rock! And I was cutting soft granite, rapakivi granite!

>>1102470
A rammer is HARD on the machine! Don't buy used heavy equipment (like excavators and the shit) if they have been in demolition, unless they are cheap and you are willing to repair them when they fail (excavator booms fail surprisingly easily. My 23tonner's boom has been welded several times by the previous owner).

Also heavy equipment is not that expensive, my machine was 6,5k€

But in the end, the only option you have is to blast it.
If you calculate how long it took for you to scrape off the soil and cutting rock with hand tools is at least a thousand times slower. There you have the scale of the project...

>>1102495
Don't be worried about the structural integrity of granite. If you've ever been through northwest ontario on hwy 1 you should have noticed the towering insane rock cuts you drive through. That shit is bare blasted rock.
Source: I am from a mining town built over blasted tunnels

>>1102456
look into micro blasters...they use propellants similar to smokeless gunpowder, not real explosives so there's a good chance they might be legal to use where you live

>>1102476
Dude, you already have a shipping container, just berry that

>>1102456
dumbest thing i've ever heard but ill bite.
It's gonna be a slooooow process. use a cutoff saw with a diamond blade made for stone. it will be slow. about 5" at a time. once you make the general shape, add relief cut and chip out the rock with either a jack hammer or drill holes and use expanding cement to bust it up.

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What you really want is to get someone over there that can use explosives. Its not to expensive here in the USA in rural areas. I'm betting it's not that bad in canada either.

Also you can just dig your root cellar into the dirt.The Thermal mass between dirt and a rock isn't that much different.

>>1102796
What's wrong with the outside guy's torso?
>Let me in, I have a crushed spine

>>1102798
That's not a backpack. That's a hunchback in a spacesuit.

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>>1102519
Shit, I don't know if I have a pic of the clean broken surface of the rock. The closest I have this this pic of the surface.

As for splitting out a tunnel I think it would be possible, just very slow because you could only split how far you can cut a relief line in the rock, i.e. If you're cutting sections with a 12" blade that are 3" wide and the cuts are 5" deep then you could possibly split to only 5" (which would be slow as fuck and eat through shitloads of blades).

It would be similar to how this fellow made a sink but on a painfully larger scale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqBjiAJV3aQ

>>1102776
Thanks! I'll have a look.

>>1102778
NO! I CHOOSE LIFE!

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Commenting on more design and saving you time..
Could you dig in the dirt enough somewhere to have a vertical side of the stone? And then tunnel in horizontally like a level/downward mineshaft?
I'm just saying because if you need to get below the frost line (46" I'm northern Minnesota) you would save time and labor starting from not the absolute highest surface.
I know this may not be in the ideal place for your house, but could a place a 100 yards off be so bad if it saves you 3-4ft of cutting/blasting?
-See shitty diagramn

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>>1102811
Yes, that is absolutely possible. The rock seems to slope down in some places and completely drop-off in others. I have yet to excavate even larger sections of it (which will happen once I get some landscaping done). I would be hoping to excavate inwards mostly from the side instead of trying to take out even more rock.

This pic is a view opposite the first picture standing on top of the rock. As you can see it's all downhill from where I'm standing. On the right of the pic it drops down about 4' while in front it slopes gently into the dirt (where there is even more rock)

>>1102456
Well, we had solid limestone rock at a quarry. With the equipment we had we would just drill it and blow it up with dynamite and dig it out with a hoe and shovel. Then just throw scrap metal plates over it. Never had any trouble.

I highly suggest you either blast it or get ready to get "shaken baby syndrome" with a fucking jackhammer.

For real though if u got some cash you can rent a little rubber track hoe with a (lol) picker on it and then dig it out.

There is no easy way and it will suck dicks.

You may consider having it tested and call a mobile quarry. They might dig it for free just for the rock. Not sure how you northerners do shit. But they could be in and out in a few weeks with a new pond on your land.

Hands down blasting is best but it'll cost your ass.

Don't bother with anything less than a jackhammer. You aren't a caveman and I promise you won't have a hole big enough for a sack of taters before you are disgusted with it.

>>1102471
Anon I have ran a skid loader for 20 years


What in the fuck is this?

>>1102476
You say that OP but you'very never moved 20 ton of rock by hand ina GODDAMMED 4 FOOT TALL TUNNEL. Fuck my faggot old boss with a bitchin granite dick...

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>>1102456
>solid granite

Gather up a lot of unattended humans who otherwise have nothing else to do but toil for their lord, give them picks, shovels and wheelbarrows.

>>1102476
>house to build.

Op, I see you.

Rest in peace.

>>1102490
Been ina quarry for years. Not sure the price or laws for your shit. I recommend getting a 1 inch man sized drill and a big ass bit. Drill a few feet, Thow some powder in, and stuff dirt or sand on top for back pressure.

>>1102494
For $10,000 OP could bury 3 more shipping containers.

Kek.

>>1102503
>going full minecraft.

Anon u gonna need a diamond pick. And don't dig straight down. There's lava.

Watch out for creepers.
Hssssssssssss

Dig under it

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>>1102816

Thanks, I'll look into the mobile quarry thing. There are a few quarries within a 10 minute drive of my property and I could probably drop by and see what they would be capable of doing if I paid them.

Here is a video on the advantage of a hydraulic splitter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joKNdSnSXUk). I would much rather use something like that then explosives if at all possible. It also give me that advantage of having that asset on hand if I ever need it again or want to break some rock.

The process would be:
1. Drill line of holes (preferably with a coring bit to chew-through less material)
2. Cut relief line along holes (5-6" deep)
3. Cut parallel relief line 3-5" inches away for the rock to be split into.
4. Split rock with hydraulic breaker

Then continue the process splitting the rock into the hole that you already have at about 5" at a time. I have no idea if that would work, but if in a 4 hour period I could remove a 4 foot wide X 6 foot tall X 5" deep volume of rock then I would be pretty happy with that result. I have no clue however if that would work.


Speaking of ponds, I had considered building a concrete wall atop a large section of the rock to create a pool and use the rock as a natural bottom to the pool. I think that's a subject for a whole other thread at another point in time however.

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>>1102798
LOL, I was just laughing at that shit.

>EXISTENCE IS PAIN JERRY!

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>>1102804
Anon realistically if you are gonna go the saw route instead of blasting I would get a Dremel and start making those big ass name rocks for people's last names and ranches and shit. Probably won't sell a bunch but it's a small investment to recoup some of your money. Or you can rock your fucking house with it. Pic related is fucking high tho.

>>1102817
Asphalt slicer. It has already cut a slice to the right of the pic

>>1102811
Holy fucking cold shit batman.

46" frost line.

I though 18" in kansas sucked dick. You Yankee fucks gotta fire a family of Vietnamese to dig your fucking water lines.

Why the fuck do u guys live where its so fucking cold

>>1102820
Detroit
Ferguson
Chicago
Fucking entire town of coffeyville kansas

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>>1102821
4got pic

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>>1102843
Fealty free to start one soon on the pond thing. I have a house and dirt floor garage 30 feet from each other. My brother in law I used to have and I joked about digging a tunnel across the treetops to his house for a man cave. Unfortunately he impregnated a fucking 3 toed sloth and had to move away.

As a joke I started digging in the garage and well, turns out I have access to a CAT 345 hoe and dump truck with a drop axle for fuel. Digging an underground pool, storm shelter, and garage tunnel in the summer.

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>>1102845

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>>1102852
For those sweet sweet resources baby.
>pic my 20 acres for 20k

>>1102906
What happened to your white shed?

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>>1102906
NICEEEEEEE. I got my 21 acres for about 29K. Mine doesn't have power though....

At least it's only 5 minutes into town to grab beer.

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I think I am the only one on this board who has actually built a tunnel.

>>1102906
how much for the camper

>>1102989
Go on...

>>1102456
If one wishes to make a hole in a hard rock, one first must obtain a harder rock....

OP, you must be really desperate to get your dad's penis pump back.

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>>1103015
>to help the crops grow, the men will masturbate into the earth

Gonna whop that steel on down, lawd, lawd
Gonna whop that steel on down.

>>1102852

Like it hasn't been cold as balls in Kansas for the past two weeks

Have you thought about just burying a shipping container instead?

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>>1102804
>cuts are 5" deep
This is like 17cm. That takes it's toll on the machine again. It's hard as fuck to cut a deep groove.
As the area of contact gets bigger the machine bogs down...

>>1103012
Nothing to really say...I am a tunnel engineer. I design shafts and tunnels and then I assist with the mining and construction. I don't actually do any of the menial labor, but I have authority to specify mine by techniques (drill and blast, hand mining, tunnel boring machine (earth pressure balance machines, open shield, slurry machines, etc), road headers) that can and cannot be used.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfOLg4ziSIQ

>>1102456
Drill & blast & pour & backfill

>>1103208
how much does manual excavation in claystone cost per cubic yard or meter of material where you are?

>>1103219
That's really, really interesting.

I could possibly get my hands on an oxygen generator or two capable of about 7 litres per minutes of 92% purity oxygen. If I used that and propane it might be possible to cut through the rock.

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>>1103252
I am not an estimator, so I have no idea.

If you are talking about tunneling, it is not that simple of an answer. It will depend on the condition of the claystone. In tunneling, removing the material is only half the battle, you also need to prevent a cave-in while you are advancing your tunnel head.

The contractor will be provided a document called "Geotechnical Baseline Report" which outlines the expected condtion of the rock along the length of the tunnel (e.g. 600 ft of good, 300 ft of poor, etc). Each condition will be thoroughly defined and will have a corresponding ground support detail (e.g. rockbolts, or rockbolts and mesh, or shotcrete, etc). Some rocks have a standup time that is long enough to allow the final liner to be installed with no temporary support.

Also, another consideration is how you have to remove the material. Do you need to lift it out of a 500 ft deep hole? Can you drive it out of the tunnel portal with a truck? How far does the material need to be hauled?

Attached shows an excavation sequence and forepoling for the support of excavation. This all adds considerable costs to the excavation.

>>1103277

how about if you have months/years of standup time so don't need forepoling, but the material is getting hoisted out of an access shaft too small for heavy equipment (ever use grain augers?)

>>1102852
I remember a few years back Ottertail MN had a recorded frost depth of of 95 inches.

I live here because I hate the fucking heat. Sure -40 sucks balls but that is pretty rare. 90+ days are not rare in the deep south.

I have hunting land up north of Bigfork. 140+ acres for 45k bought during the recession. Now a large swath of it is fucking swamp and a useless mosquito pit in the warm months, but there is some nice area too. We have a primitive cabin up there and an outhouse.

>>1103266
>7 litres per minutes of 92% purity oxygen

At what output pressure? Seven liters isn't shit at low pressure. If it's a medical oxygen generator the are nice for small torches but wouldn't come close to lancing solid rock.

OP gonna need industrial equipment so best talk to his local quarry.

too much to read in the thread to see if this has been posted already

you live in Canada and winter is upon us, the easiest way to do it now is just drill holes and fill it them water

water expands as it freezes so it acts like the wedge method but you don't have to hammer the wedges it and nature does it for you.

>>1102852

What the hell is a "frost line"
-Texas

>>1103015
DragonForce?

>>1102798
Gas from consuming spacebeans

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>>1102911
It was a house actually. Hadn't been lived in for 50 years and just feel into itself long ago

>>1102989
Details man, details!

>>1102852
Nebraska here.

All the water and gas lines I've seen trenched in from the street are 6 feet down

And the utility company shows up with a back hoe and does it.

>>1103334
Do you work a day job? What is your cost of living a year? I want to move away from the city but worry about the money I have to save up so I don't have to return because I can't afford utilities

Ridiculous idea OP forget about it

>>1102456
What happened to pouring the foundation on that rock slab ?

>>1103445
Sorry, made it sound like I live up North. I live in Minneapolis.

The land up north is uninhabited. Part of it is farmed by the neighbor who keeps an eye on the place in exchange. Works out nice because he gets to farm ~40 acres of it for free, I get someone to go fire up the heat a few hours before I get there, plus there is always baked goods there from his wife when we go up. Plus the corn brings the deer in. The land is already next to his so he just plants his field longer so no real extra work for a few extra thousand a year.

I also have access to a family farm in the St. Cloud area. My grandmother is in her 90's and the land is in her name. She currently is in an assisted living home on social security so they can't sell the farm or she basically has to give the money to the assisted care facility. Down side is that the actual farm area is like 2 acres and all the rest of the land is field which the my aunt rents out to the neighbor for cash.

Plus my girlfriend's parents own a lake home up in the Fergus Falls area. They are selling that though since they're retired and don't want to make the trip out there anymore. Plus side is that she is an only child and I'm betting a good chunk of that money will be gifted to us since we just bought a new house this year.

I do work a day job and have my own /diy/ related business too.

As for costs, they're pretty easy to calculate. Taxes are available online to see. Electricity and gas are available to view online. Also you can still get work outside of the city. Believe me, the romanticized life of being a homesteading hermit is fiction. Unless you're a real lazy fuck, not having a job sucks. Ask any retired person.

I grew up on the outskirts of a small town so I moved to the city. I like city living and country escapes.

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Can you blast in your area?
i being serious.
in my area we wanted a storm shelter/safe storage area

-5 point star drill to make layered holes (same method used to make mt rushmore and w/e

-modified m-80 for blasting caps

-cannon fuse to link "shots"

-plastic bags and pvc to mold charges

-min 1 part kerosene to 3 parts (by total weight) to "90-90-90" ammonium nitrate (lawn fertilizer)

stuff needs a "pre/trigger charge" (initiator/blasting cap) to go off so its good and stable but does not shelf well once mixed (mix by gloved hands and cured (sealed) wooden dowel

im in the boonies and id doubt anyone cares with all the racket the quarry makes further up the valley
be smart be safe and show us your progress

>>1102852
Cause Canadians are fucking hardcore buddy like gay porn hard

>>1103266
In the video they talk about liquid oxygen, that's not really comparable to pressurized gas.

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>>1102456

OP, how do you plan on entry? Hatch, door ladder? And how do you plan on securing it, password lock, pad lock?
Ive been interested in this pls lmk.

>>1102509

ANFO*

>>1103691
You can order LOX Dewars delivered to your site. Order through your local welding supply.

Not cheap but the project won't be cheap either. Ya wanna play, ya gotta pay.

Keep in mind you'll likely need a vaporizer to rapidly gasify the LOX. Your welding supplier rents those too.

>>1103219
>>1102456
yeah I was reading and I would like to suggest a thermal lance as something to look into.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA-VCaBUsCA
This guy makes a little one, but to scale it up shouldnt cost 10k.

>>1103760
I think the reason they use liquid oxygen is because its paramagnetic and thus way better as oxidizer. Think rocket fuel. The reason they use LOX isn't just its higher density compared to gaseous one.

In organic chemistry we were thought to remove all kinds of grease and other organic stuff from LN2 coldtraps where oxygen could possibly condensate to prevent us from blowing the glassware up.

Interesting enough there are/were also experiments with LOX based mining explosives.

>>1102489
If that is you, you will not accomplish this project. How do jackasses like you end up with all this nice shit, property, a storage container, FREE WEEKENDS. I went to fucking college like they said I was supposed to and now fucking baby boomers are bitching because their SS checks are getting cut to pay student loands. Fuck this place, I'm done.

>>1103525
Fuckin city idiots! Go suck some Somali dick.

Stay the fuck out my northland.

I fuckin hate people from the metro who live down there to have a decent job and wanna come up north n visit. Like..fuck off! Come up here n work for shit wages or stay in your fields down south you cunts.

just go oldschool and get some sand + copper bars. pour the sand where u want to cut and rub it w/ the copper. eventually there will be no more granite.

>>1103088

Honestly didn't ever expect to see a Marina Abramovic reference on /diy/

>>1104111
wut

i am heavily confuse

If thats bedrock you probably have gold there.
If i were you id try and track the fault and see if it mimics any close by mines

T. Gold prospector

Cut deep holes, fill with Dexpan, bust into pieces with a sledge after breakage, cartwheel rock away.

https://youtu.be/KgOtMQcMnH0


Use the rock as concrete aggregate for future projects.

>>1102989
Nigga we used to bore under highways and make tunnels at work all the time. Way less fun than it seems.

Still cool tho

>>1103130
Goddamn 60 degrees and raining on Christmas tho. I've only seen it dangerous cold here 1 winter

>>1103334
I hate the heat too but I always see myself stranded in fucking 28 feet of snow and dying. Maybe I'm paranoid. Why can't I live where it is 70 year round ;(

>>1104335

What part of Kansas? West is almost an entirely different state than the eastern 1/3

>>1102476
Landscape construction manager here. Just rent them, yo. If you consider your time to be worth money, having one man with the right equipment is almost always cheaper than lots of unskilled labor.

>>1104202
Not all bedrock contains gold. If he hit a quartz vein it would be worth crushing some up to pan, see if it has any goodies, but all the white streaks in OP picture are shovel marks. If you're talking about placer deposits tucked in the cracks, it would have to be an area where a stream used to be.

>>1103525
Hello fellow Minneapolis resident!

Just wanted to say hi. What neighborhood are you in? I'm in Powderhorn.

I moved here a few years ago, yet to be given my state sponsored cabin I keep hearing about.

>>1104711
Another Minnesota guy. But now I live just across the border a couple of miles in Wisconsin

>>1104084
I grew up in Central MN on a farm, you retarded Iron Range faggot. Go suck some Native dick.

>>1104711
Columbia Park.

Yeah, growing up I felt like I was the only one who didn't have a cabin up north. So I bought one.

>>1104720
I used to work over in Hudson.

>>1104721
Nice! I was looking at houses up in the NE before settling on Powderhorn. How much do cabins usually go for? I'm planning on living here for quite a while, it would be nice to have a retreat.

>>1104726
>How much do cabins usually go for? I'm planning on living here for quite a while, it would be nice to have a retreat.

Depends on how far north you want to go, if you want to be on a lake, and how much land you want. The closer you get to Canada, the cheaper it gets, lakes add a ton of cost, and obviously more land = more money.

>>1104750
I wouldn't mind being way way up north, I'd like to get as far away from people as possible.

How do you maintain the cabin when you are not there for much of the year?

>>1102456
method A) Fire. Lots of fire and then rapid cooling, preferably from 800°C to -20°C with liquid hydrogen.
method B) Acid. Be warned, you'll probably die in the proces because you need to use HF, hydrofluoric acid and she's not friendly. Actually she's quite a bitch.
Method C) Explosives.

>>1104137
The Egyptians cut granite with sand formed from the granite and a copper saw. The saw pushes the sand, which has the same hardness as the rock, down and the sand cuts the stone. It's pretty simple and effective.

>>1105858

>Create a religion
>gather members
>be there god
>let them work for you


or just by enough explosives and blast it, should be the fastest and cheapest way

Try Dexpan (non explosive demolition agent) Requires a shit load of drilling thought. Yer gonna need a very good rock drill. Lots of mines in Leafia, try to buy or steal an air powered percussion drill. A regular hammerdrill from bosch might work but the bits will be $$$$ and wear out quick.

Truly the only way is traditional mining technique (drilling and blasting) I did some home gamer black powder blasting on my property with mixed results..

>>1105817
if A, use thermite? If B, you die, if C profit

>>1104759
>How do you maintain the cabin when you are not there for much of the year?

Depends on the cabin.

Rustic? You don't do shit. My cabin is basically a poorly insulated box with a wood stove and a kerosene heater. I fire up the wood stove at night after I get in from hunting and to cook on. I use the kerosene heater when I wake up and first walk in the door because it starts putting off heat instantly where the wood stove takes time if not already going. As for upkeep, I don't do anything major on it. I'll probably re-shingle it this spring. I'd also like to replace the window because it fucking sucks. Window is like 70 years old. You can tell it was an old barn window that someone stuck in so they could see outside. I just don't use it enough to justify sinking time or money into it. I've considered just getting one of those shed kits and plopping it down up there.

My girlfriend's folks "cabin" is just a 1 story 2bed/1bath house on a lake. They take care of it like a normal house. It's got septic and well water and grid power. No internet or cable they do have phone though. They turn the heat on in the fall and leave it at like 50-55. They have this device that hooks up to the telephone and sends them a message if the power goes out or the heat drops below a certain point. Then they drive up or call the neighbor to fix it. Hot water heater is set to vacation mode when they leave and you have to wait for a hot shower when you arrive.

The guy across the street mows their lawn and checks on the place to make sure it hasn't been broken in to but the place isn't remote and most of the neighbors live there year round.

>>1103930
>like they said I was supposed to
not his fault you don't do your own fucking homework when people told you how to make huge life decisions. maybe you're just an idiot.

>>1102489
You're really hot :3

OP use a welding torch on the granite.

>>1104137
ancient aliens

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>>1103336

I'm not sure of the effectiveness of the system at higher pressures, since they're for medical use. If I could get my hands on a booster and bottle it (@2200 PSI) however...

>>1103342
While technically possible, I would need to still make a relief cut for the rock to split into. This might be better if I want to remove surface stone instead of tunnel, which I absolutely want to do as well.

>>1103460
I could. Would be pretty neat to blast the basement out of granite.

>>1103649
LEGIT

>>1103744
I want to build a house the with basement blasted out of the granite, then slowly tunnel into the rock in my off-time. COncievable the hole where I start building the tunnel would be in my basement.

>>1103818
I can get my hands on multiple medical oxygen generators, so it would be interesting to see what kind of output you could get off of 14 litres or 21 litres per minutes of 92-96% O2.

>>1104203
I actually have four (probably 3 gallon) buckets of Dexpan already. It works alright bit it's a lot of work as it is. Still needs relief cuts and drilling of course.

>>1104627
I think I've seen some quartz veins in the rock. No idea if it contain anything but might be fun to fuck around with.

>>1106854
Hey, that's my husband you're talking about! (I agree)

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>>1108282
I used to blow glass and did some research on the medical oxygen generators. The issue with these is they do not have pressure output like a compressed cylinder. They have stations to refill cylinders to pressure, similar to diving equipment. Definitely worth an investment, if you plan on filling cylinders multiple times a week, but if you use O2 sparingly, you might as well buy a refill from your local vendor.

>>1102843

If it's real granite after four hours you'll be lucky to be five inches deep and two feet across..in a single dimension.

It is an unbelievably hard stone and it grinds away very slowly.

Although the Egyptians used copper saws to cut it, they used sand as the actual cutting medium. More or less equivalent to a modern diamond blade.

When they cut slabs however, they didn't saw then, they used "hammer" rocks to form a thin neck until it could be cracked away from the rest of the bedrock. There are examples of exactly the same technology at Machu Pichu, with some stones half cut free, as work was abruptly discontinued.

>>1109561

I work with these systems: http://www.onsitegas.com/portable-oxygen-generator.html

I know that the characteristics of a flow generator are significantly different from a compressed tanks, but in the future I might be able to get my hands on a booster to run the flow from a generator to a tank, so that's something that might be doable in the future.

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>>1109716
Well fuck, those are industrial as fuck, i was assuming that you used some basic bitch unit from an old persons home. Yes, this could work. I dont know much about the application that you are applying this to, but something to keep in mind is safety. I definitely would have a wall between this rig and any type of flame, just in case. But to each his own, I am very paranoid when it comes to hotworks. I knew a guy who used to be a doctor, and blew glass in his garage. This dude burned down his house, and insurance didn't pay for it. Basically went from being cool stoner doctor, to a tweeker who lives in a trailer home, that carries a sawed off in his backpack. He is one of the few men i know that i am afraid of.

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>>1109653
also, another suggestion based off of this guys idea, would be to use a large setup of the copper pipe and sand thing. It would probably take a while, but it would take no labor comparatively. you could just get a copper tube the size of the desired hole, pour diamond grit/sand. Then, simply make the copper tube or the granite vibrate. The way to do this, is basically by turning the object into a speaker, link is conceptual design behind this, i am sure this would need to be refined

http://www.instructables.com/id/Turn-Nearly-Anything-into-a-Speaker/?ALLSTEPS

>>1110236
>Might be genius

>>1103930
>life is fair ever

>>1104084
Shut the fuck up idiot

>>1102477
You are seriously underestimating his difficult this project will be. This summer I dug a 3 foot deep with 12 inch radius hole for a sump basin in solid rock much softer than granite, and it probably took me 10 hours of grueling work with an 1800 watt demolition hammer.

If you have to get it out of your system, rent a jackhammer and make your little dent. Then you won't waste much time or money

>>1108282
Tits or gtfo

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Second time I suggest using a torch...

>>1102456
Dwarf Fortress: the man

>>1104084
>decent job

Poor babby envies people smarter than he is.

>Stay the fuck out my northland.

You live there. It's not yours unless you have a deed to some property, and then only what you own is yours.

>>1103525
>She currently is in an assisted living home on social security so they can't sell the farm or she basically has to give the money to the assisted care facility.

She can probably make someone co-owner with right of survivorship which is not a "sale". You can do many cool things to protect property from Uncle Sugar and from probate.

>>1111924
>being taxed annually on shit I own.

You never really own anything.

>>1111928
>She can probably make someone co-owner with right of survivorship which is not a "sale". You can do many cool things to protect property from Uncle Sugar and from probate.

The issue is that no one wants to approach the subject. Plus it's too late now, really. As far as I know the land goes to all of her kids with equal shares. At that point they will either sell it, do nothing, or just give it to my Aunt because she lives next to the property in a trailer house and needs to have constant attention anyway.

>>1111961

To be fair, jobless or homeless people aren't taxed IIRC

There's ways and the law can be complex.

>>1111575
Could be gay couple, so you're asking for man tits fag

>>1111597
would that work? that rock is a massive heatsink

>>1102989
The encrustation on that brickwork leads me to suspect that you are full of shit.

>>1102847
You're an idiot. A dremel. Nigga you need water jet to embrace granite.

>>1103266
No. We are talking higher temperatures then that is capable of. You are only going to cut rock by abrasion.

>>1113655
Like the "rock" pictured isn't a massive heat sink... Yes, it works.

>>1111961
>being taxed annually on shit I own

Haven't started your own church yet?

>>1104621
Nonflat southeast. On oklahoma border. Nothing but cows and oil wells.

>>1112100
I'll just except my freedom comes at the price of working to keep shit I already own. I don't have the energy or give af to start an old school teacher party movement

>>1115472
Lol ;) not yet

>>1102906

Can I live on your land and help you build a compound? Ayy

>>1111575
>>>/b/
And stay there until you're adult enough to hang out on the blue boards.

>>1103851
>paramagnetic and thus way better as oxidizer.
No.
They use LOX because it is a dry and compact source

>>1113790
how much for a water jet cutter for this kind of project? I imagine it would be a lot

>>1102476

Have you looked into rental?