Introduction to electronics

>>1102340
Your kid is going to have a lot of social issues growing up much like every home school kid I ever met in college.

How about letting him try public school for a year instead of some stupid bullshit that will never get him laid

When I need advice on socializing my kid, I'll be sure to let you know. Right now, I'm looking for help teaching him how to use his hands to create something.

Teach him to replace the breakers in your circuit box. It's worth replacing them every so often, and as long as you supervise, it's totally safe for him to do.
First, see if you have any 15A breakers. Those used to be popular in the past, and some shady electricians still use them, but they're unsafe and could cause a fire. Replace them with sturdier, 30A breakers.
This is a good way to introduce load calculations- if you're in the USA, the house uses 120V power, and P=VA, so a 30A breaker can handle 30×120=3,600 watts, twice as much as a 15A one!

>>1102358
Thanks! I'm not very experienced myself. If I set up a stream, would you walk me through it?

>>1102358
this will also fuck up your wall wiring.

>>1102358
Upgrading the current of your breakers is a stupid idea

>>1102361
>>1102362
I'm not so ignorant that I would fall for that. I understand that 30A is not an "upgrade" to the "old 15A breakers".

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>>1102358
kek

>>1102359
15amp circuits use 14ga wire iirc. If you replace a 15amp breaker with a 30 and draw more than 15amps throught that 14ga wire, it's going to burn your house down.

Get the kid a crystal radio kit. Pic related.

>>1102370
Thank you. I'll get one of those as well. I'd like to create a customized course where we do one project every week or so. This looks like it would be good for that.

>>1102349
>When I need advice on socializing my kid, I'll be sure to let you know.

Itll be far too late when you realize the damage you have done.
Whatever bullshit reasons you have for homeschooling him are not worth what he will actually lose.

As someone who only went to public school from 3rd grade to 7th grade, fuck you and everyone else who does it.

And no, going to a Co-op (with equally fucked up kids) doesnt make up for the real socializing he misses out on.

You will never understand how hellish freshman year of college was for me (and my co-op friends).

Going to public school isnt about learning the curriculum, its about learning social hierarchy and preparing you to work with others for the rest of your life.
But if you are sitting around able to home school a kid, that wouldnt matter to you would it?

Do you think the old Catholic School Girl cliche is made up? And think, even they had 100 times more socializing than home schooled kids did

>>1102400
Here's your (You)

>>1102403
I know it will fall on deaf ears, everyone has tried to tell these idiots for years. Yet they know better than everyone else.
Too bad its at the expense of their fucking child.

So fucking selfish

>>1102340
Why don't you let your kid go to school OP?

>>1102407
Are you calling me selfish for taking a huge role in my kids' education? I'm literally here trying to plan a customized curriculum to help my son learn about a subject he's been interested in for years.

Everyone jumping on me here has only made assumptions about what I do to socialize my kids. Just because I educate them at home doesn't mean I lock them away and limit their exposure to other children.

I get it, there's been a lot of ultra-religious freaks that have used homeschool in the past to shelter their kids from the devil that occupies the public school systems, but that isn't me. (That's why I steer clear of Co-ops.) For me, it's strictly about getting them a quality education and that includes learning social skills.

Now that that's been said, I didn't mean for this to be a conversation about that. In hindsight, I would have left that detail out to avoid the jimmy rustling.

>>1102416
Failing education system in my state. My kids have one shot at an education. I don't want it to be wasted while politicians argue about which side needs to pull their head out of their ass. It was a tough decision, but my wife and I decided the extra work on our part was worth at least trying it out. (This is our first year to do it.)

OP here

For anyone that's interested, I found a course on Kahn Academy called "Ohm's law and circuits with resistors". I think I'm just going to go with that one to start him out. Thank you to those of you that offered advise.

>>1102426
> I'm literally here trying to plan a customized curriculum to help my son learn about a subject he's been interested in for years.

So you are buying your kid some hobby stuff that other normal kids do in their free time?
Stuff that is superseded the first week if he were to actually go to college to be an EE?

> Just because I educate them at home doesn't mean I lock them away and limit their exposure to other children.

Letting him hang out with his buddies is not the same thing as socializing. High school dropouts hang out with their friends still too.

You going to let him be sheltered the next 5 years from seeing people he doesnt like? Dealing with and resolving conflict?
Learning to deal with asshole bosses?

Seriously, what do you plan to achieve?
Shoving low level curriculum down his throat instead of having a normal junior high and high school experience?

You learn exactly what you need for your degree when you are in college. You dont use anything you learn in school if you skip college.

You arent doing him any favors

>>1102441
Surprising. Your kid has been interested in something for years, yet couldnt use google himself.

>>1102441
just get a copy of "getting started in electronics" by forrest mims and put him in normal school

>>1102358
DON'T DO THIS. ONLY REPLACE BREAKERS WITH EQUAL OR LESSER RATED. Using a higher rated breaker than the wiring is designed for WILL set your house on fire, from the inside out.

This is pretty good OP
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/

>>1102443
>Stuff that is superseded the first week if he were to actually go to college to be an EE?

Uhh, speaking as an EE, you don't learn much practical stuff at all these days.

>>1102400
>>1102407
>>1102443

Lol bro you just have autism. I did homeschool as a kid from 8th grade on and I went on with my life fine. It's been proven that kids don't suffer socially from homeschooling.

>>1102443

>Homeschool kids miss out on the brainwashing and domestication that goes on in public school!
>This is a big problem!
Go home, schlomo.

>>1102340
Definitely start with basic electricity.

But then...

>build electronics

You mean analog or digital?
That kit has lots of digital stuff, while "normal" teaching tends to start from analog.

You don't need to know how to build a high-pass filter or how to build an amplifier on a transistor when you want to drive a motor with microprocessor.
What does your son want?

>>1102673
haha yeah, I started out as a field tech and when I finally saved enough money to go to school, I got laughed at for bringing my tool bag to my engineering courses for the first week. I thought I would at least need my multimeter for the intro courses but naw, all theory.

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>>1102912
>You mean analog or digital?
He can cover bit of both. It's an elective subject, not an EE course.

I would suggest getting a "Raspberry PI" - its a small computer about £25 you can learn to program on and use electroics - this combined with the Arduino you have bought will allow your son to build electronic circuits and even write code to control them

Their are many magazines for the Raspberry pi aswell

>>1102443
You don't know shit.

I would've rather have been homeschooled than the prison they called a school I went to. It's really a mixed bag, especially if you're poor.

We live in the age of the internet now, remember that when it comes to homeschooling.

homeschool is child abuse

>>1103031
this.

That's why I lost all my friends and now no job and still live with mommy

>>1103030
>We live in the age of the internet now, remember that when it comes to homeschooling.

Easier for kids to become hermits?

>>1103059
>That's why I lost all my friends and now no job and still live with mommy

Thats a widespread pandemic that has nothing to do with schooling

>>1103064
However, it does have a lot to do with parenting.

>>1103103

>>1102340
Do simple 5 volt resistive circuits in series and parallel to get him good on ohms law and kvl/kcl. Then do some ac stuff with caps and inductors to teach about frequency response. Build the radio. Build a simple op amp amplifier with a tone control to help him understand frequencies. Get an oscilloscope.

Teach him about semiconductors with diodes then get him to understand biasing with BJTs. Then move into fets and help him understand their physical and electronic difference. Build a latching switch circuit with some npn's. The sky is the limit. The trick is to ramp up the knowledge base slowly.

>>1103203
Also tube stuff is in a lot of ways simpler, usually less precision soldering involved. A tube hi fi would make an excellent project, so long as he understands how and why it works.

Other have suggested above doing stuff with microcontrollers which could also be cool. Why wheelhouse is the soldering bench and not writing code so that's where my perspective is. Microcontroller stuff is cool though so try to get at what he wants to do.

The fuck is wrong with being home schooled? I have met several home schooled children, and all of them have turned out completely fine.

>>1103203
Then again at his age maybe it would be better to cut straight to the cool stuff (automated toy cars, radios, useful devices and trinkets ) to whet his appetite so he could perhaps be motivated to study further at university or independently and get acquainted with the nuts and bolts of electronics.

>>1102434

What state?

Also I know internet people won't change your mind but I don't get why AP/honors classes wouldn't be good enough at his age. If you work at home and have the time just take him out of school once every couple of weeks (any more and the school will start hassling you) and do cool projects together. If he's smart he won't miss a beat with the schoolwork he has to make up and he'll be glad to get three day weekends every other week. And teach him about the downsides of school and how to manage them, meaning the one-size-fits-all cookie cuttery and retarded teen cliques and social media. You get the best of all worlds with this approach.

>>1102340
>tfw you wanted to learn rfid just to get CC info
>finally can afford 1 dollar chinese rfid arduino antenna
>chipset now

ffs I never take advantage of this kind of insecurity.

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>>1102358

>>1102349
Ignore the preachy retards.

There's plenty of resources online/YouTube to get both if you started without ever paying.

Along with electronics, I would suggest some easy tonlesarn utilize programming language. Maybe start with Python. I believe Python has wide support on arduino circles.

Also some course with elementary logic would help shape up his programming structures. Of course these resources are dime a dozen o n the tubes/Google search without ever paying.

If you need pay content there's always torrent dumps of udemy/other online learning for free.

Just google a beginner class.

http://www.instructables.com/class/Arduino-Class/

Something like this looks fine.

>>1103653
Eh? Arduino sketches are still written in a mishmash of c and c++. Code on the computer end to interact with it may be in Python though.

Ok so to start the kid off try digital logic and Boolean algebra. Both are linked by theory and practice. The algebra is easy and will help him develop a logical mind while the digital logic will have him building circuits. You asked for resources but your already using the greatest resource available (the internet).

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>>1102340
>homeschool

>>1103758
I'm convinced this is just psychopaths complaining you're raising a child that won't have any of the school-torture buttons for them to push.

Real life is not like public school. College isn't even like public school. You don't actually get intimidated and threatened by your co workers every day you go to work, or worry. People are normal and fine after school, there is no special school only social skill that will help you. It's all useless.

Very rarely, like once every five years you might meet a highschooler that never grew up, and he'll make some high school jokes and threaten you or something. And maybe if you're stupid and easily cowed you will respond how he wants. If you don't even have the slot for that key to fit into, it won't do anything either. That's why I think these faggots are out of the wood work complaining about homeschooling.

>>1102340
Try First robotics.

>>1103764
Everyone remembers making fun of the weird faggot sheltered kid in school who couldnt handle himself in social situations.

Home schooling your kid breeds the same kind of sheltered people.
Maybe some people realize thats a pretty terrible thing to do to a young kid.

>>1104057
There's always an awkward weird kid in school no matter if he was home schooled or not.

There will also be a chad in school that may or mayn't be home schooled.

>>1104059
>There's always an awkward weird kid in school no matter if he was home schooled or not.

Yeah, many times directly from overbearing or sheltering parents.

>There will also be a chad in school that may or mayn't be home schooled.

You dont become a social butterfly from having a lack of socialization in your childhood, your personality is largely molded by your upbringing.

http://www.instructables.com/class/Electronics-Class/

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>>1102340

Hey op, I was going to comment earlier but this kind of turned into a shit show with people berating you instead of helping you.

For your kid I would recommend building stuff that he finds cool or interesting. If you try to actually teach him about electrical/electronics engineering you're going to bore him to death. Find some electronics kits he finds interesting (like robots or LEDs) and try making one of those.

By the way, I went to public school and I know how garbage it is. I would have just benefited from staying home and reading books on the subjects I was supposed to be learning and I would have been better off. Don't listen to people here that are saying your kid will be an asocial retard. I knew kids like that who went to public school while there were socially well adjusted kids who were home schooled. The fact of the matter is if you teach them well they'll turn out just fine. The whole "they won't have a social education" bit is bull shit.

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>>1102344

>Public School
>Making well adjusted kids

>MFW

>>1102344
Hey now, I must say I was homeschooled and had no social issues growing up or in college. Did remarkable on my GED test, have my masters in engineering, have 3 trade apprenticeships, make $23/hr, and am happily married with one child (working on second).

Anon as a public school educated kid of engineer parents who certainly could have gotten me farther than I was at age 13 having wasted my time being bullied at school.
Public school doesn't help with anything.
Just let him find peers to socialise with somehow. Have him join clubs, play an instrument or whatever.
Doing menial tasks in school all day is not productive.

>>1104753
Oh and get him an esp 32 or esp 12 (or esp8266 in general). WiFi stuff is fun.

ITT: Asking anon how to raise/teach your kid

Good shit. Try googling "intro to electronics". How is that so fucking hard?

>>1102400
Public School System failure reporting in.

you're wrong.

>>1102914
it's another word for MANAGEMENT these days. most engineers couldnt change a tire desu.

>>1104747
>masters in engineering
>23/hour
>3 apprenticeships
>at least 40 years old
>23/hour

>>1104766
It's pretty hard. I mean this person actually thinks home schooling is a good idea. Do you think common sense would be their strong point?

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>>1104747
>masters in engineering
>23$/hr

>>1104945
>UK
>Masters in Engineering (civil and structural)
>russel group uni
>within top 25 in the world (QS world rankings)
>move to LONDON
>3 years working
>finally on £36k/annum
>I earn more than all my peers from university & those who graduated a year before I did.

kill me before I kys myself.

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>>1102340
Hey OP,
The kit you got is nice, but is overwhelming for beginners.
The Raspberry Pi was specifically designed for teaching programming, and electronics to young people. Additionally, the community support is second to none. check out all the learning resources at raspberrypi.org and see for yourself.

>>1105087
>0.006 shekels have been deposited into your AssBerry Pi account.

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>>1105091
>caring this much

>>1102344
I went to pubic school and it doesn't really help if you plan on doing stem anyway

Better to have a kid ahead of the game in something like this, above the pleb mass in public schools because he can easily gain social skills in other ways, besides knowing too that power is social skills, having these technical skills and achievements are power

>>1104945
Wew first time I seen a Turn image on the board

>>1104938
>>1104945
Didn't say I had an engineering job. Just said I had my masters.

>>1105251
Social retard detected

>>1105105
Social skills do help in STEM.People who are bad in teams don't get hired in general. Lots of companies are big enough to pass over a genius ifthe hiring manager thinks they'd be shit to work with, or as one put it, "theyput a bunch of spelling errors in their resume and itwas annoying."

>>1105105
>>1105263
As an engineer, I gotta say, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

>>1105263
>implying you'd hire someone who can't spell check and do a simple read through.

About PIC microcontroller I recommend all of book Milan Verle. You may find it here http://learn.mikroe.com/ebooks/picbasicprogramming/ some For free and: http://ax7.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/PICMicrocontrollers.pdf. For 13 you will need probably a mentor.

>>1102340
>home schooling
>inb4 salty teens who think being bullied for years was somehow a valuable life experience

You're doing the right thing, OP. Probably.

Get more detail than just 'building electronics'. It's too big and boring a field to expect a general course to be interesting to a 13 year old. He's got an imagination, make him imagine up some projects. Does he want to make guitar pedals (audio), games (leds and shit), a radio (RF/ham), a tele-typewriter (video), maybe an S100-style computer (computer systems)? He's got his whole life to learn the basics, let him pick a project that he'll look forward to working on.

>>1105401
>the options are be bullied vs be socially disconnected


Try sending your kids to a decent school. Retard.

>>1105401
>bullying meme

>>1105398
Still recommend Milan Verle book.

>>1102340
Check out the OP in the electronics general. Get the Forrest Mims book. It's absolutely perfect for a beginner.

>>1105411
Most of the schools in my schoolzone are 90% nigger majority. I can't send him to another school because of state laws. Can't leave the state because of work.

>>1106034
>state laws
What laws? Some kind of stealth anti "white male privilege" laws?

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>>1106056

He's probably refering to the anti-school choice laws which are garbage.

>>1106034
Those laws were put in place to keep blacks from going to white people schools. Looks like you didn't think before renting/buying a house!

>>1106121
kek

>>1104747
You were home schooled and you are on 4chan right now. Are you really a winner?

>>1106034
>I can't send him to another school because of state laws
lol amurka

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>>1104747
>masters
>not one aprrenticeship but three
>23$/h

>>1104747
>masters in engineering
>no job
>need to get by with THREE apprenticeships
>$23/hr
kys you unsocialised faggot

>>1102344
>>1102416
Just answer the question instead of lecturing OP on their parenting decisions. Also implying the kid will learn anything useful about electronics in a shitty high school

>>1104747
>$23/hour with a masters

That awkward moment when undergrad engineers doing internships make $23/hour, and my starting pay with a bachelor's in bum fuck nowhere at a shitty factory was $30/hour...

Half of my cousins were home-schooled and they're weird as fuck. I'm an engineer so trust me when I say I know what weird as fuck looks like. They're nice and well behaved, but goddamn they don't understand how to act around people and get so confused when people joke with each other.

>>1102344
I was homeschooled my entire life and I'm afraid of going to college.

Thanks parents.

>>1106336

You should be. Especially if you were under super strict religious upbringing.

You should straight up creep around a college campus and just observe how the non-weird ones act and see if you can catch on. I went to public school and still have awkward tendencies but damn I can generally spot a homeschooler from a mile away

>>1106357
My family isn't very religious, my mom was a nut that didn't want me or my siblings in public school.

>You should straight up creep around a college campus and just observe how the non-weird ones act and see if you can catch on.
I'll end up doing that sooner or later because I'm supposed to go to college in a few months.

I shit my pants everytime I think about it. I won't put my kids through this torture

>>1104747
I'm in college right now and I'm making more than that as a co-op...

>home schooling
I think it gets a bad rap just because people do it for the wrong reasons. Most people are being preached the virtues of public school. Most people are also invested in you relying on a public school system.
The people who go an alternative route would often do it for zealous disagreements with public schools (hippies and religious people). If that's the case then that's a bigger problem than the home schooling itself.

>>1104091
I think I saw your nixie tubes before doing a 1488

Can you do a good dark photo of a 1488? Last one wasn't wallpaper-worthy.

the memories of my electronics class, granted it was votech. teacher was awesome, vietnam vet who knew his shit

>first year students power supplies all had outlets on the back of the machines that were only powered when power supply was on
>if someones bus was late so we could put a 1/4 watt resister in the outlet
>turn on power supply and a few seconds later fowl smelling smoke
>teacher got pissed, class got yelled at, no one cared

>if teacher was absent we usually got some old guy sub who should have been retired.
>sub was a pain and didn't know shit. no one liked him, he just sat at the desk reading the paper
>used to rig up circuits on my bread board running AC through a transformer then through a full wave bridge rectifier with the biggest electrolytic capacitor i could find in the scrap bin while it was reversed polarity
>cap would explode with the sound of a cherry bomb and foil rained like it was new years
>sub got pissed to the point we got other substitute after a while.
>second year students fixed things between lab work and lectures, anyone could bring electronics in to get repaired if they wanted to pay for the parts, no bench charge or anything else, but the parts had to be new, no scrap
>some people didn't want to spend $20 for components to fix stuff and donated it to the class which ended up in the scrap bin
>i ended up with 4 VCR's and 3 TV's and some other things because people didn't want to pay for new parts but nothing was stopping me from raiding the scrap bin and it was all free, 20 years later still have them and they still work.

cont

>>1106545
the bad side of my experience

i got perfect scores every quarter (teacher wouldn't give out 100's, stuck with 99's), after all its just math.
>second year i was months ahead of the class
>cool teacher got the idea that if he was absent i could give lectures, i hated giving lectures to the first year students.
>while the rest of the second year students usually got stuck fixing the easy stuff like cleaning VCR's, i got stuck with the hard stuff which usually required an oscilloscope or z-meter. sometimes i got to fix the teachers stuff he was too busy to fix
>one day my friend was discharging a CRT, and he tried discharging it to the TV i was working on which wasn't plugged in because i was doing math to see how far back a surge went. he commented how it wasn't discharging and like an idiot i went to grab the clip lead and got 3 (27KV )inches away and it arced, my arm was numb for almost a week.

>my junior and senior year of high school i went to high school half the day, then got on a bus and rode 30 miles to votech for 2.5 hours a day (long classes)
>school that had votech also had tards, not the bad ones with behavioral issues, they went to a different school.
>tards couldn't take my class, they couldn't do the math (algebra 1-3) so i don't really have tard stories.
>teacher drilled in our heads E=IR, because it was a collage level course (worth 8 college credits which i over 2 years of college), and we should know the difference between Electro Motive Force and Electro Magnetic Field. to this day i still cringe at V=IR. 15 years ago you could tell if someone was self taught or a college grad by how they label part of Ohm's Law.

any electricians reading this know that they had an electricians course where you took the first year to learn theory, then took carpentry to learn how to drill through structure without compromising structural integrity.

cont again

>>1106550
>>1102340
OP i think that kit is a little advanced for a beginner

start them out with basic components and have him learn the math and theory and the fun stuff you can do with it like shocking people with inductors and capacitors, make it fun

solid state can come after, then logic. after that you understand exactly whats happening in the hardware and understanding 1's and 0's helps just about anything computer related.

i haven't seen any website that covers everything i learned in those 2 years of votech let alone college, 6 week night vocational courses don't even come close.

>>1106550
>we should know the difference between Electro Motive Force and Electro Magnetic Field. to this day i still cringe at V=IR

Aight it seems like you're saying that E = IR represents an E-field, but imma assume I'm just misreading that. Is your problem with V=IR just that it's not (delta)V = IR? Cuz... EMF is a cringey af way to talk about a potential difference, old-timer. *dabs*

>>1106534

I'll try to pull one off. I'm a pretty shit photographer though so don't have high hopes.

>>1106566
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromotive_force

its easier to just to link it

>>1104091
>For your kid I would recommend building stuff that he finds cool or interesting. If you try to actually teach him about electrical/electronics engineering you're going to bore him to death

I agree.
the fun/interesting stuff is what will motivate him to learn.

Though I am concerned about how much OP knows.
he did mention a masters in engineering, but if that was EE I'm sure he wouldn't come to 4chan for advise.
I guess they'll both have to learn, and maybe he will learn to use the internet and learn on his own when he realizes dad doesn't know everything.

Arduinos everywhere these days, but for learning actual electronics it isn't all that great in my opinion.
Stock up on resistors/caps, 74/40 series chips, opamps and transistors.

noiseboxes and other silly stuff might be a good start.
the atari punk console is the typical starting point.

IMHO: wait a while before getting into MCU's.
shitheads these days use mcu's for the most mundane tasks and cant use logic/linear circuits for jack shit.

I suggest you let your child get a real education in a school.

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>>1107937
>real education
>school

>>1102344
I was homeschooled until 9th grade, when I asked my mom to go to public school. Starting high school was easy and I fit in pretty well.I'm in college now and I'm better adjusted than most people I know.
I'm still a virgin of course, but that's because I visit 4chan, not because I was homeschooled.

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trying to fix my flourescent lamp wtf am i doing wrong? this is how i wired all up only top tube lights up and if i swap the tubes around same thing happens, i tried replacing the bottom starter but didnt help also swapping the 2 starters around changes nothing

>>1102349
When we need advice on how to give our opinion, we'll be sure to let you know. Right now, we're commenting on 4chan, fucking entitled cunt.

Your attempts to janitor the internet are as stupid as your attempts to live vicariously through your child.

>>1102349
Control freak

>>1109862
where's the ballast?

>>1106293
>Just answer the question
get lost you fucking internet batman.

>>1104747
I felt bad about failing out of college until reading this.

>>1102340

electronics is very broad. make him decide: digital (computers) or analog (electricity)?

if analog: buy an older used oscilloscope (don't be a cheap ass) and start building analog circuits. Also probe around a radio.

if digital: teach him C on the atmega2560 board you bought. He will probably not be able to figure out how to compile/flash it at first

I honestly wouldn't know were to start with all that shit you bought. When I first was introduced to electronics I was unbelievably stupid. Did a lot of destroying electronics and digging through the trash on my bike just to take shit apart. Then my first real project (building an ISP board and writing a program) took me months. Although I never had a teacher, I gained the skills to do shit myself. You might be giving your kid "baby duck" syndrome. I know I never gave a fuck about anything introduced to me in the context of school.

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this is /diy/

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