First drill

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>>1102253
I'd recommend stepping up to the hammer drill & impact driver kit. Pic related.

>>1102255
My budget had been stretched already. I'm just a student so I can't further stretch it.

>>1102253
>Makita
>first drill
That's like doing your driver's license in a space shuttle.

Just go to Lidl, their drill is good for a first-timer. If you really need a cool name on the drill, get the cheapest, proper-size Bosch.

Idk how many bong dollars the Makita drill driver costs, but it's only 100 dollars here. It's a pretty good value.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L84A470/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_IQTwyb294YS8W

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>>1102260
I did but this is what it looked like when I opened the box. apart from being broken it did work and felt pretty nice. Also decided not to buy another one because its 20V batteries were unavailable anywhere.

>>1102255
hammer drill all the way, especially when u need to do 1000 screws.

go for maktec(makita) btw, less playbox more worth for your money, those bitsets are basic anyways

If you are a student and will use it very little I would say hit up Ryobi drill plus driver combo or the bottom tier DeWalt 18volt that costs about the same. Decent stuff. My first drill was a 300+ dollar DeWalt xrp18 nicad hammer drill. Now it lasted years. Over a decade. It finally took a shit and I replaced it with a bottom tier DeWalt. I am a diyer and don't need a top tier drill. I'd rather take the 200 and buy other tools or material.

>>1102282
You are talking to a bong
Their tool lines are completely different, and you would have to import US lines

>>1102269
>using a hammer drill for screws

Why the fuck would you do that?

>>1102253

OP, you got a link for that? Looks good for 200 bongs.

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>I'm just a student
Go to a pawn shop and pick up a decent corded drill for less than $20

Kind of related what is /diy/s opinion on factory refurbished tools

What's the inch pound specs? Most will torque 300-ish inch pounds, but good cordless drills will torque over 400 inch pounds. Really handy when you're trying to drive a bigger or longer screw.

>>1102292
Think anon meant impact driver

>>1102341
I'm not that poor
>>1102262
Thanks, I looked further and found this https://www.amazon.com/Makita-XT273R-Lithium-Ion-Compact-Cordless/dp/B01LZ5I02O/ref=sr_1_35?ie=UTF8&qid=1482357715&sr=8-35&keywords=makita+18v but it seems like it's not being sold in europoor
>>1102336
https://www.karwei.nl/assortiment/makita-accuschroefboormachine-df457dwex6-met-102-delige-accessoireset/p/B483342?q=fh_location%3d%2f%2fcatalog01%2fnl_NL%2fcategories%3C%7bcatalog01_catgereedschap%7d%2fcategories%3C%7bcatalog01_catgereedschap_catgereedschap_elektrisch2dgereedschap%7d%2fcategories%3C%7bcatalog01_catgereedschap_catgereedschap_elektrisch2dgereedschap_catgereedschap_elektrisch2dgereedschap_boormachines%7d%2ftype_boormachine%3E%7baccuboormachine%7d%2fbrand_name%3E%7bmakita%7d%2ffh_item_type%3E%7bproduct%7d%26fh_view_size%3d20%26fh_refview%3dlister%26fh_start_index%3d0%26fh_lister_pos%3d1%26date_time%3d20161220T000000%26fh_modification%3d%26fh_sort%3d-%2524rc_with_promotion%26fh_secondid%3db_product_b021483342

>>1102253
Consider a plug-in drill. They're cheaper, more powerful, and always ready to go with no charging fuss. Get a good brand and it will last stupidly long.

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>>1102253
i think geting this >>1102255
combo is probably the best you will always need 2 machines doing things, also the set in your pic is nice too saw similiar irl(its good to have storage case for tools when they are not used)

>>1102357
>please read my mind anon!

Eurobump
btw does anyone know if american makita batteries can be charged with european chargers? I might even have one shipped in that case, since the difference in price is huge.

>>1102352
400 is pretty poor these days, a top tier brushless hammer drill will put out between 700 and 1200 in/lbs of torque.

>>1102666
they're probobly compatible, they're all made in Japan anyway. id say if you get an American drill set just get an outlet adaptor and dont worry about Euro chargers at all.

>>1102260
This doesn't make a goddamn lick of sense. Give one good reason why he shouldn't buy a good quality tool.

>>1103602
just ignore the retard

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>>1102253

I honestly don't trust cordless drills much. I'd prefer to go for a corded drill with a gearbox and electronic speed control. They're a bit more hefty but they can do anything from slowly turning a screw to drilling through steel and concrete.

Why go cordless if you're strapped for cash. Go wired and get a drill that will outperform the wireless stuff.

>>1102364
Dutchfag, hier ook..

Go to a karwei buy one that you like, if it sucks return it and swap for a better one

Don't ever import anything that's sold locally, easier warranty fixes and no shipping costs.

>>1103663

I've got one that I love to use too. They have their uses, but for household use they're a bit much.

>>1102345
>Kind of related what is /diy/s opinion on factory refurbished tools

Most are just tested returns from retarded customer. Would buy no hesitation.

I recommend buying lots of used corded tools first, but although I've got Milwaukee 28V cordless (I can take the nose off a pickup truck with two batteries worth of juice) I'd buy Makita. I still have an ancient Makita cordless which won't die.

>>1103663
>no clutch
>no brake
>poor variable speed trigger
>way too much torque
>hammer mode is useless 99% of the time
>horrible balance in your hand
>keyed fucking chuck in almost 2017
enjoy breaking your wrist on a lag screw.

id only recommend corded drills to an absolute poorfag that wants something with power but doesnt trust the battery jew and is perfectly happy carrying 150ft of cord through their house.

>>1102253
Makita drills are really nice. Don't worry about naysayers telling you to start with a cheap one. If you're really worried go with a Dewalt. They're not incredibly cheap but can handle a lot of wear and tear.

Different brands feel drastically different to be honest. Best quality is key overall.

But I used Makita and H bits to drill 200+ holes a day through 5/8 inch thick aluminum. That drill was fucking tough.

>>1103808

You can use any chuck you like, they screw on. I have a hand chuck and a keyed one. Hand is much more convenient but doesn't grip as tightly as the keyed chuck. Hammer mode might be useless in the US, but here most walls are cast concrete and require a heavy duty impact drill for even the tinyest hole. I wouldn't recommend it for screws though, it's way too overkill and unwieldy for that type of task. You'll also have a hard time drilling through a reasonably thick steel sheet with anything other than a corded drill unless your bit is brand new and super sharp.

>>1102345
refurbed welders are the cat's ass. too bad they are always out of stock.

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>>1103844

I was about to make a thread about this very topic and noticed this one as I was scrolling.

I'm looking to get some cordless power tools and have no idea where to start.

I already have corded tools, but they're not practical in several situations at work.

Is it worth it to go with the brushless set?

I can get pic related for ~$380, but the brushless drill set is $299 along.

Money isn't a problem, but I'd rather not pay more for minor improvements.

>>1104008
i'm always of the opinion to buy used at first, then upgrade when/if you break it.

>>1102290
Bongs don't use euros

>>1102253

Milwaukee bby. All the way

>>1103663
Speed control on these things breaks almost immediately and you're left with just on-off, percussive drilling is pretty much useless, it just makes loud noises but doesn't help you drill on concrete or stone

>>1104008
Don't forget the cordless coffee maker

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>>1104183

I beg to differ, percussive makes all the difference for concrete or stone. Are you sure you're using masonry drill bits (spade-shaped tip)? Cause anything else will be effectively useless no matter what setting you put it in.

>>1104189
Yes I am, and percussive drilling is not much better than normal drilling, it just makes holes more out of size. Just use a proper hammer drill and not this vibrating toy

>>1104190

Isn't what i recommended a hammer drill? Or do you mean one of those really large ones with a piston?

>>1104192
Ones with piston, not the toys with serrated ring on the arbor

>>1104194

Well yeah those will do the job but they're overkill for drilling anything else. I've had good success with the serrated-ring ones for any ~5mm-12mm diameter holes in concrete.

>>1104183

You're off your ass. I just had to install a large sign holder and bolt my workbench to the floor. Rotary drilling is SHIT for any masonry harder than red bricks. Rotary+hammer is much, much faster, for the simple reason that it isn't completely reliant on having a sharp edge. Even the hardest carbides dull very quickly when going through concrete or stone.

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>>1104183
this, ive never found much use for the hammer mode on my drills, if i want to make holes in concrete ive got one of these i got on clearance for $50.

>>1104210
Which action figure line does that come with?

>>1104212
i think its from Guardians of the Galaxy.

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>>1104212
dont let Ryobi's silly colors fool you, its pretty much the same as Milwaukee's older brushed roto hammers on the inside for half the price.

>>1102253
>is this the right thing to buy, if not, what is?
Makita is a solid brand, comparable in many ways to DeWalt and Milwaukee in the US. Like some other anons mentioned, it's nice to have a drill/driver kit, which lets you work without having to swap bits all the time, and it gives you a much better driver. If you can afford such a kit, I'd go with that. In any case, a Makita 18V should last a long time if treated halfway decent, and it should have enough power for most hobbies.

>>1102292
Besides the possibility of meaning an impact driver as the other anon said, hammer drills typically have more durable chucks, often with a wider gear selection, which can make large tasks easier. A low-end hammer drill handles more like a higher-end standard drill than a low-end standard drill. Though I suspect there would be little difference with what OP is considering.

>>1104008
Brushless is a pretty big improvement, especially the latest generations vs brushed. Brushless offers enormous benefit in some combination of power, weight/size, and/or battery life, and since they're electronically controlled anyway, they often have things like electronic clutches/brakes/etc. That said, higher-end brushed is still good for a lot of things, so it comes down to what you'll be doing and how much you want to spend. Check specs and reviews against what you'll be doing. I got a top of the line brushless drill for metalwork because I can make use of all that power and torque. If you're working with wood, the requirements aren't as rigorous.

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>>1102253
Had to make a similar decision, 250 budget, ended up with one for 400.

>>1104216
>Don't let Milwaukee's sweet colors fool you, its pretty much the same as Ryobi's Newer brushed roto hammers on the inside for twice the price.
Fixed that for you. All of TTI's stuff is meh tier or worse. Ryobi (a brand the license), Milwaukee (bought it in 1995), Craftsman (OEM for Sears), Ridgid (OEM for Home Depot), they are all pretty much the same stuff with different shells and slight changes to hit certain price points.

Just look at their other brands. Homelite and Hoover. Nothing they make is considered good quality.

>>1104221
Yet youll be the first guy to say "dewalt and black and decker are totally different guys!"

Repeating the same shit over and over doesnt change reality.
Different tools are built at different price points. Having the same parent company doesnt change that

>>1104221
>even basic homeowners should stick with $500+ Hilti tools
>what are target markets

>>1104241
He is not even saying that.
He has repeatedly spouted the same shit in other threads.
His implication is that Milwaukee is trash because its expensive, claiming that its just a ryobi in another case.

Yet he balks at Black and Decker vs Dewalt.
Doesnt like talking about the different level lines of Makita.

I wonder how he feels about Mac branded wrenches vs Stanley branded ones?
I mean they ARE owned by the same parent companies afterall.

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>>1104239
>Yet youll be the first guy to say "dewalt and black and decker are totally different guys!"
No retard, I'm the guy that's been saying DeWalt is just Black & Decker's "Professional" line. Lurk more. Honestly, it's almost enough to make we want to become a tripfag.

>>1104241
There is no point in spending money on something that is inferior, especially if you insist on buying it new. When tools are so cheap compared to what the used to cost, as a percentage of your total wage, why do it? You can go out and buy a drill that is great quality and will last you a lifetime for less than the value of a day or two's labor (unless you are earning below the poverty line). Why save $50 and get a turd? Penny wise, pound foolish. Unless your hobby is to collect shitty tools there is no excuse.

>>1104251
Oh, its the "I only buy tools that are 80 years old" faggot who has no clue about modern tools.

Please trip so we can filter your retardation.

>>1104247
>Yet he balks at Black and Decker vs Dewalt.
Again, not that guy. I know who owns who. I also know that it doesn't matter how much polish you put on a turd or how many suckers you can convince to buy it, it is still shit. Marketing is marketing. Doesn't matter if it's some marketing wank in TTI's HQ passing out the Koolaid or if it's some wank in Stanley's HQ.

>different level lines of Makita.
See above. Makita branded stuff is decent. Their off-brand stuff isn't worth the money. On any given day I would put a Makita up against a DeWalt or a Milwaukee without a second, though. Especially their big grinders. I've done more brush replacements on Makita grinders then I can count. They are hard to kill.

>>1104254
I assisted a guy that sold and repaired tools for a living for several years. I basically apprenticed under him because he was getting hella old and needed help in his last years before he retired. He was a factory approved service location for DeWalt, Black & Decker, Porter-Cable, Milwaukee, Baldor, A.O Smith, Dayton and a few others. And those are just the companies/tool lines you've heard of. We had parts and were former service centers for Thor, Rockwell (pre-1980), Delta, DeWalt radial arm saws (pre-1988), Atlas, Clausing, Powermatic, Walker-Turner, and dozens of others, all since moved overseas, bought out, or gone out of business.

I saw first hand the difference between how, say, a DeWalt spade handle drill from then was made compared to a B&D spade handle drill from 1970 was made. It's the difference between a Sherman tank and a Ford Fiesta. Tell me plastic gears, wires like angel hair pasta, and cheap switches are superior. Then tell me what flavor of Koolaid did they give you.

>>1104260
yeah I love those old as dirt tools that pull a whole 4 amps and are weaker than a toddler

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>>1104260

>>1102260
retarded comparison
a space shuttle is a lot different to operate than a car
pretty much all drills have a trigger and the direction switch in the same place

also
>buying shit quality tools like a pleb

>>1104184
And the cordless bike.

>>1104251
I buy and recommend Dewalt brand Dewalt tools, and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
Dewalt akbar behead the inFeindel.

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>>1104263
VERMONT MENTIONED

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>>1102253
>>1104737
Dewalt 60V only.
No brushes.
Final Destination.

>>1104740
Hey fuck you buddy, brushed corded tools from 1930 are better than modern TTI CHINK SHIT.

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Completed in 1955 the Wyman-Gordon forging press could exert up to 50,000 short tons (100,000,000 pounds, 45359 metric tons) on its dies, which in turn could handle 20-ton ingots. It was 10 stories tall and its foundation was laid 100 feet (30 meters) into solid bedrock. It was part of a pair of 50k ton presses built in the US at the time. A 35k ton press was also built in the same factory for 'smaller' work. It was the most powerful in the world for many years after. It used two 300 horsepower compressors to charge its tanks, which could take up to 15 hours to complete. Only 3 models of presses have ever been built that are more powerful and one of those was only completed a few years ago (plus it's Chinese and no one has been allowed to verify that it actually holds up to its specs).

It was declared a National Historic Mechanical Engineering Landmark in 1983. It is still in use 61 years later.

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>>1104813
Some of its dies for scale.

>>1102253

>>1102364
>>1103666
Another dutchfag reporting in. I am balls deep into Bosch and have most of my stuff from them.

If you want to go budget and just need to hang a painting and do some ikea furniture try:
Blac&Decker BDCDD12-QW (on sale at Praxis for 45 eur).

If you want something to serve you for the next 10 years (DO IT FAGGOT) get one of those large boxes with 124 bits and drills from Bosch/Black&Decker/ Makita for about 175 eur.

Honestly, you are not a real man if you dont own a decent drill. It always amazes me how often you need a drill for all kinds of small stuff from hanging lamps to making a barn

TLDR: Get it, its a good deal

>>1105384

>Honestly you are not a real man if you don't own a decent drill

I also assume that goes hand in hand with watching handegg and drinking bud light on Sundays doing chest bumps when you get the bag of coals going, that you brought home in the back of your new shiny leased pickup?

>>1105406
This
I can wear cute dresses and still be a man
It's 2016, you still think you can generalise genders?

>>1104813
>>1104814
That's a big press.

>>1105418
The world isn't against you my dear, it just doesn't care.

>>1105406

>leased
>not building your own truck

>>1105501

>Not making your own coal

>>1102468
>>1102253
I bought this exact set about 5 years ago and it has served me very well. The hammer drill works easily on brick, concrete is a tad slower but more than adequate. The impact driver makes driving screws so much easier than a non impact drill. A used set would be within OP's budget.

Also just to note I don't think the OP's current choice is compatible with the rest of Makita's LXT range (I may be wrong)

129euro for a black and decker hammer drill 18v li+ at hubo. or 99E for a bosch drill if you dont think you'll ever need hammer

>>1104740
>60v meme

Top kek lad.

What op needs to buy is the brand i use because other brands are not this brand etc etc

>>1102253
Which drill did you get?

>>1105406
>>1105418
keep it up America, you SJW sissies are just pissing away all your hard won advantages. The best thing is your response shows how incredibly self centered and narrow minded you are:
- Drinking bud light.. can you even buy that piss here in the Netherlands?
- chests bumps =/= being a responsible adult
- coals? lol i guess i dont get the reference, but coal is bad for the environment.. but you guys have no clue about such matters anyway. Have a look at average consumption compared to other nations. Personally loved the 1:40 america:india
- leased pickup, oh boy 1) we dont buy pickups here 2) we rarely privately lease cars

TL:DR Being a man means being a responsible adult. Which can be done with a dragon dildo up your ass if you so please, but you will still find a drill useful for all kinds of DIY matters.

>>1107429

So you're saying a woman can't be a respectable adult and it is something only to be expected out of a man?

>>1107434
Which sentence that i wrote makes you think that? I am just going to call your question a freudian slip. Also instead of shitposting, perhaps come up with some more suggestions for OP

>>1102253
I think the Gamma.nl made a mistake: Their folder mentions a Makita M-box for 168.75 while the webshop says 225. They might have messed up the 25% discounting.

>>1107449
>TL:DR Being a man means being a responsible adult.

That's a saying coming from a time when only men were expected to be responsible adults. Other statements like "you're not a real man if you don't own a decent drill" imply the same thing. And i've already posted suggestions for OP here, so what up?

>>1102255
x2 imho makitas are best, used them when doing construction ( long with almost every other brand) and prefered the makitas over all else, Just bought a brand new hammer drill impact kit for myself

>>1107484
It a saying still in use today, so not sure what you are trying to conclude. My statement didnt imply does not imply the same thing, you are just being arrogant and too quick to draw conclusions.

Give up your shitposting and just accept that owning a drill is responsible adult behavior.

Alex, for 200 points, what is cultural sensitivity?

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Isn't it amusing watching people virtue signal at each other, /diy/?