DIY YLYL

>>1094904
kek

>>1094904
aiya this is my fetish

chinese women doing DIY

I wonder if they just don't have easily found pirated textbooks and articles and shit in chingchong moon runes like we have access to in bonganese.

'cause any motherfucker with a shitty smartphone and some persistence can get all the English language mechanical and aerospace engineering textbooks it'd take to burn out their eyesight reading on a shitty little screen.

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>>1095138
Makes sense. I just don't understand how ALL of them are fucking farmers and they ALL build junk shit for 6 grand that won't work. I mean for fucks sake. I built ribomowers here for 600 using all new bit the mower and motors.

>>1094900
I kind of respect that they are trying, but these designs clearly have no chance of working.

Maybe I'm overconfident because of my RC experience, but I really can't imagine building a basic glider being very difficult.

>>1095174
>Chinese dirt farmers

>>1095165
Same reason 'local mom' learns how to cure death with 'one easy trick'

They don't, they are just appealing to cultural stereotypes for clicks

>>1095205
I see. Well, sucks for them. Living in a shithole dreaming of greatness with 300 dollars to their name.

Oh wait...

That's me

>>1094905
>>1094906
My sides! Their in orbit

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>>1095138
I worked in China for a bit over 6 months (engineer & project manager) and its a pretty fucking weird place when you've not really seen how deranged communism has been. The damage from that they'll be picking out of their arses for the next 100 years. Essentially, anyone that was way too clever for their own good got shot in the head about 60 odd years ago. Smart people get in the way of progress for the party, so they're dead and anything that could enable people to get smart was piled on top of the smart cunts still twitching corpse and set on fire with some petrol.
What that's created is this strata of society that just does one fucking thing.
>Grow rice
>Drive truck
>Bash square peg in round hole
>Weld steel

That's all they do and whats more, they do it every day until they either die, throw themselves off the top of an iphone factory or retire and yell at the annoying young people... and the kicker is- they don't give a fuck. They'll do it good enough to pass under the nose of anyone paying attention (maybe I'll write more on them later, because they're a whole other species) and that's it. Ask Yangfuk how his truck works, he doesn't care, he sticks diesel in it and runs it until it dies or he dies in some horrible car accident caused by some incompetent cunt or a shit road that kills people.
The people that are actually multi-skilled are super rare critters.
Its like finding a Panda that wants to both eat bamboo and get his fuck on with other pandas.
So when I was working there chasing up other engineers to do this job, you basically end up with a room full of people that had a 'corporate education' where they're given a scholarship at uni, just to do some tests, then go work for the corporation until their debts paid off. They know about 1 specific companies gear and that's pretty much it, you might have a few that remember some basic fundamentals from school, but mostly they don't know shit either when it comes to anything else.

Its really mad

>>1095319
Sauce on that vid?

>>1095319
Holy shit.

>>1095319
Not really a work safe image, you should probably delete that image

>>1095319
Everyone is commenting on the video but not his golden insight on China... Shame sense it's 99℅ accurate.
The last 1℅ is the one with skills, those people either end up with the government or big corps, rarely seen again sense China is even worse then the US on the worker gaps.

>>1095317
Yeah man. This 2 in particular had my dying. There was one of him mid flight but I lost it.

>>1095418
English please?

>>1095319
If you'really right wich you seem to be then holy fuck that sucks. That vid hits home main. I seen a guy almost get sucked into a rock crusher where no one can help in time. Stupid fuck. Feel how smothered this conveyor belts is. Shhhhh no thanks faggot. Flexco's (belt fasteners that both the two ends together) snatched him up by his fucking shirt. Bro standing right behind him has spider sense and fucking jumped on him to keep him from being mixed in a gravel road near u.

Sometimes I think Darwin was onto something...

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>>1095419

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>>1095423
Kek what? I'm mellow af, I genuinely couldn't understand you/him.

>>1095385
I think its fine as I consider it content that is safe for viewing in the average working environment. It can be used as a part of a safety meeting. Or just a cautionary tale among coworkers. Its something you could see on the news. Its fine.

>>1095319
If what one deals with on ebay/aliexpress is any indication of the average Chinese, then this sounds spot on.

Can't blame them too much with the whole government control though. I mean if you're designated as a farmer, that's what you are and it's illegal for you to move to the city.

>>1095319
how do i get a job in china as an engineer? from the way you make it sound, i'd be a rockstar over there.

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>>1095439

>>1095559
Paid 3 bucks an hour too

>>1095319
>Communism works!!
>I swear on my liberal arts degree

>>1094906
Wu lad

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>>1095393
The really sad thing is, there are creative people, people with ideas, artistic talents and they can make some great stuff- but they're crippled by Chinese society making a mockery of them and lack of resources.
It'd also be unfair to say they're 'bad' either, met a lot of good people (mixed in with the dickheads) that are curious to learn, interested in learning and generally pretty decent. Cheating is an art there, some of them spend so much time trying to cheat on tests, dodging actual work and spectacular effort into lying/blaming some other poor cunt, that if they spent the same effort on just being honest it'd result in something truly notable... the only taboo is never cheat on your family. They will fuck you up!

>>1095559
At the time I was contracted to a telco in sort of an advisory role in regards to their purchasing some backhaul gear. So met a lot of people from various companies slinging their wares, fairly much all of them hated me because I would absolutely brutalise the shit out of them regarding their equipment, but the customer wanted the best bang for their buck so I was happy to help beat them down on prices, support and all the other particulars. After leaving a trail of bleeding arseholes next to a pile of gear, one of the Chinese vendors actually appreciated my lack of tact and honesty, said he had a lot of work back home with their company doing installations and oversight, bit of troubleshooting.
Wasn't doing anything else useful with my life and unmarried at the time, so went over for a bit over 6 months doing that. Mostly pretty good money but it was rough having to get up every morning to a phone full all kinds of excuses as to why something wasn't working, then spend the next 12 hours yelling, snapping my foot off in some rectums and then pass out sometime around 10pm. It can be a rough gig

>>1095717
No proper foundation, no proper footing, piles fuckin' 10 feet deep. Woah nelly they deserve how much resources they wasted.

>>1095723
No shit.

Although I'm kinda wondering if we shouldn't boot all the lazy mexicans and Muslims and section 8s of all races to China and trade for anyone with any common sense and ambition. Give them a place to live for 3 or 4 years and gradually reduce income as they integrate into our society.

Or just kick them all the fuck out. The dirt south gets along just fine with old mowers and cheep beer. He'll, so do i.

>>1095385
homo pls stop

>>1095789
>Mexicans
>Lazy

>>1095559
> from the way you make it sound, i'd be a rockstar over there
lolno
Chinese companies don't want rockstars, they want mindless drones.

>>1095795
> it's gay to not want to watch people die

Found the sociopath

>>1095354
This.

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>>1095319
>maybe I'll write more on them later, because they're a whole other species
I think this guy's got you covered

>>1095907
That was a good read.

>>1095907
>>1095918
Wow, it really makes sense now why quality is such an issue

If you can screw only 1 or 2 traders out of a bunch of money you always make more than the average person, a market that promotes fuckery

>>1095836
Spotted the lazy beaner...

>>1095907
Thanks for posting anon, interesting

>>1095927
Look at any US city where the immigrants got scared off by new laws or whatever, and look at the tumble their building and farming industries took. You can say they're lazy, but they're the ones who left their home to a country where half the population hates them to work for peanuts, 12 hours a day.
I'm not saying they should be here illegally but they're not lazy.

>>1095174
eyy
what you fly?

Chabuduo.
What's insane about China is that it was the complete opposite pre-modernization.
I use the term modern loosely.

>>1095907
Thanks man, good read.

Can confirm that no shits given attitude. I work in a medium sized electronic engineering firm. It's hard to compete in this market without dealing with them, but it's so Painful. Say whatever it takes to get an order, but invariably there's something wrong. Unobtanium firmware, out of date chemicals, chemicals with different mixing ratios, obscene failure rates. One particularly bad batch, all sorts of random, weird problems, 100s of boards. We were behind, couldn't wait for replacements, fix it anon. eventually traced it to a conductive ink printed on the boards for whatever reason, stock control or some shit. Washed off easily, so crisis averted, but that should been done in the factory. And not a shit given.

Then, once a thing is working, put another order in, half the time, you get a slightly different, incompatible product. Been thru 10's of suppliers, all play the same game.

We get it locally to. Chinese software engineer. No concept of sandboxing or testing. Most engineers would test their code on the bench Before uploading to a live system. Not this guy. Crashes clients shipping system, gridlocks a bunch of trucks. And knobbled the update system. Not his problem, he dosent do site work. Idiot.

Another system, been running in the shop fine for weeks. Big install, night works, road closures, high end of town, the whole gamut. Work all weekend, flawless install. Stand back, throw the switch. Nothing. Freak out for the next hour, everything is fine. Log in remotely, turns out Friday night he 'tried something', couldn't make it work, went home. Rolled back to the firmware that's been working for weeks, tada!

I'm starting to think he's in industrial espionage or something.

>>1095970
Can you read?
I'm guessing not well.
When Americans can get over higher food prices or low wages, illegals and migrants won't be an issue.
Until then. ¯\_(ツ)_/ ¯

Also, not Mexican, and my family has been here since your family's country was the Plague of the Decade. You get out.

>>1096103
Did that guy in the video death?

>>1096107
He's ok, just walked it off :)

Yeah, China got fucked by the
Manchu
Japan
the West
Mao
Pure Unbridled Capitalism
at various points in history. The ethnic Chinese diaspora is vast.

>>1096110
No he took a turn for the worst.

>>1095628
>Wu

Kek

>>1095717
Sounds exactly like how everything works in India. Its a sorry state of affairs.

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>>1096264
>India
Wew! spent a little bit of time working there and their problems run a huge gamut of deeply ingrained fuck-ups to the point you see them moving forward at the pace of a tectonic plate.
At least to me, the main problem was corruption being so rife that its basically kicked both legs out from underneath everyone.
>Can't build infrastructure- no money
>Corrupt officials steal money and stick it in overseas banks
Literally trillions of dollars is squeezed out of the place by the people at the top of the tree who are fantastically rich to the point it really is quite sick considering how desperately broke-ass, hand to mouth existence everyone else is. Then as some sort of running joke they still blame the english for all their woes, which is kind of fair as the east india company was a bunch of cunts, but that was well over 70 years ago since becoming independent and not entirely applicable... though Pakistan is entirely their fault!

It was very 'trying' to actually do anything there. Another contract for another telco to build up an engineering support service was bad from the start, the guys in charge that I went in to sort out where basically hiring a leaky shack and terrible conditions, then managed to steal 1000's of dollars somewhere. So they all got fired, couple got extremely upset and had to be physically bashed up until they stopped complaining- then fired.
Company I was working for at the time literally didn't believe me until I sent back photos of the place and it went from a 3 month job to 6 to actually drag the whole thing up by the boot straps, into a civilised building- but I did it! Luckily for the last 2 months it was back home because I don't think my poor old intestinal system could take any more of it.

>>1096224
What a twist.

>>1095891
Dude, it was just a prank. The camera was right there.

>>1095948
>illegally move to country
>accept wages at least 4 times lower that someone can legally accept
>farmers prefer cheaper labor and have no incentive to increase wages to attract legal workers
Jeewhiz, I wonder why no one wants to do those jobs?

>>1095385
>Not really a work safe image
kek

>>1095907
but really thats what you getting for buying chinese steel from next buy north american

>>1095907
>tfw learning Mandarin

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>>1096602
In best communist country, lathe runs you

>>1097680
>low bar squat
Serves the fucker right.

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>>1097680
belt driven barbells, for when normal wrist curls won't do

>>1095907
>mfw I started learning mandarin

>>1097702
>>1097719
Smith machine safety manual

>>1094901
> That rotor

>>1096585
>the guys in charge that I went in to sort out where basically hiring a leaky shack and terrible conditions
Have you ever been as far as to what with across flibble?

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>>1095317
>their

>>1096224
Like him, you are a twisted man
He got turnt

>>1094901
>Made out of iron plates.

pls film maiden flight

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>>1098295
Him and the DIY lambo guy should hang out

Chinanon acts like working russia is any different...

>get screamed at daily by clients
>"is it in the contract, no then f*ck you"
>the.... fucking..... cold
>all the beautiful women who takes ages of courting before putting out
>the horrible horrible vodka.... jk i fucking love that shit

>>1096286
Still trolling after the win, I see.

>>1096286
Still trolling after the win, I see.

>>1098320
If you mean that screencapped wall of text, he actually admits that Russia is awful as well - but much less awful than China.

>>1098321
Yup!

>>1098322
Yup!

>>1095319
That's an extremely effective hat removal machine.

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This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBZ2eHpth2s

>>1096103
>taking meth

I'm calling bullshit. They kill people for doing that in china, its like the phillopeans for more than a decade only you actually go through something resembling a court before they kill you (and sell your organs)

>>1098537
They also do opium

>>1095319
That sounds a fuckton like America, which isn't "communist" at all.
>Don't know how to grow food
>Only know blackbox money-in-service-out repair methodologies
>Can't reason about society
>Goes to work
>Spends paycheck on 'bills'
>Dies

Dunno what the fuck you think "communism" has to do with it

>>1098537
China's got a massive meth use because they're the largest manufacturer of precursors in the world, they'll slap your shit around for taking it and make ordinary folks go off to rehab, but they generally only execute the dealers and manufacturers.
Go to somewhere like Guangdong and there's basically an episode of Breaking Bad in every 2nd neighbourhood

>>1098569
Percentage of population, yeah you get the gronks in any society that are low-skilled/mono tasked type occupations.
In the US its maybe 10-15% where people have a really limited skillset and that's generally because they're entry level into the workforce, most will go on to do other things except for a few duds that fail to fire. Over there its probably up around 70% (and that's being generous) as there's only so much upward mobility to be had when the people at the top don't want to share their spot.

They do have a middle class, but its nowhere like a western country.

>>1095907
>guy is white
>generally needy
No. Chinese people really don't give a fuck about white dudes asking for shit, and will generally sabotage foreigners. This doesn't speak toward the society itself.
>das raciss!!
Yeah?

>>1098574
>percentages
LOL
Such cold, hard data. Humans are so good at representing their feelings and experiences in numbers without measurement. You're so right. That's why the average rating from humans on a 10-scale is 7, not 5.

You probably won't get it, but capitalism does this to everyone. It's how the system works.
What happened in China wasn't "communism."

>>1094899
How is this a YLYL? A homemade cannon is pretty cool.

And all Chinese are very aspirational.

>>1098584
>>1098596
-t. Zhang DongWang.

>>1094901
>6 thousand dollarydoos
>for THAT
what.

>>1098582
>doesn't speak toward the society itself
Yeah, that's why China has collapsing buildings, shit products, high suicide rates, and smog in the air, because white dudes, right?

>>1096585
This sounds like a movie I saw... I think it was called Outsourced or something, documented a guy living in India for a while and working for IT where their buildings literally leaked and their electric cables looked like a rat's nest

>>1098570
What do they call meth in China? I mean, I doubt they sat down and invented a new symbol for it (like they did with electricity).

>rigid lattice structure stimulating property agent

>>1098699
Haha yeah we really fooled you foreigners lmao

>>1098801
Ice or 'bing', so the symbol is the same as that for ice

>>1098805
>bing
So microsoft was on to something...

>>1098806
Well they don't really have google there, so a rampaging drug addiction is the next best thing to sell them really

>>1098574
So if my theory is right China will fall.

History repeats itself. Germany, Russia, Zimbabwe, hell... rome. When the gap between the rich and poor is too great and the middle class is kill the country folds.

>>1098596
>how is this a ylyl...

>>1098701
Yup. I seen it. What a fucked up country. They couldn't even take a day off. Had that one creeper guy wire computers up on the fucking roof when it flooded.

Fuck 3rd world

>>1098819
>>1098817
>>1098701
But this is all literally the same shit that england went through during the industrial revolution.

It's really not that different apart from the sheer scale of it all.

>raw sewage pouring into the river
>7 day weeks
>children getting mangled by machinery they were employed to clean during operation

Give it 50 years

>>1095319
Please remove hat before entering the machine.

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Kek. OC I found watching smallville. I'might not exactly sure wtf he is wrenching on near the back of the manifold on the passenger's side, but I know for a fucking fact it doesn't take a 1/2" drive ratheto and like a 7/8 socket...

>>1098888
I was welding the fuel tank on my car one day. Needed to empty and wash it, obviously. The cap to the fuel tank was like 40-50mm, can't recall. But there are those.

yeah yeah, I'll go somewhere else to continue my nitpicking...

>>1095385
Try doing your job and stop stealing from the Man!

>>1098924
My life does not stop for work and boss doesn't own my time, if they don't supply me with work to fill my entire time, it is at their loss, I'm not going to twiddle my thumbs in down time

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>>1095319
>that video

>>1094900
B-but it has no swashplate, how is he supposed to control it even if his tiny engine manages to make enough power to get it off the ground?

>>1099435
caption is wrong, its not a helicopter.

its one of those traps from ravenholm in Half Life 2 for when trump invades. chinese are really short

>>1099447
>Implying trump would ever invade a country
He would just build a wall around it you dope.

>>1099449
even better, that wall around china is already 1/4 finished

>>1097502
>farmers prefer cheaper labor and have no incentive to increase wages to attract legal workers
ah, the delights of free market economy.
or are you expecting some socialist state money subsidy just to give jobs to white people? nahnahnah...

>>1099457
>or are you expecting some socialist state money subsidy just to give jobs to white people?
It would be nice if they clamped down on people hiring illegals and paying them less than min wage.

>>1098862
The thing is that the West had to learn all of that the hard way, because they were creating the industrial revolution as they went along. Modern 3rd and 2nd world nations don't have to reinvent the wheel, they can simply take example from more developed nations.

>>1099476
When exactly did more developed nations have to rapidly urbanise 1,200,000,000 people under a single government across swathes of land that occupy the majority of the continent?

>>1099475
you wont be saying that when your grocery bill doubles

>>1099527
I'm not even American. But yeah, if the price of groceries is in part down to hiring illegals, then it was artificially low anyway.

>>1095319

China isn't communist, it's state capitalism. Like most "communism" has been. If the workers do not control the means of production then it is not communism. I don't know how hard that is to understand.

>>1099511
Nobody HAD to do this. Mao chose to do this, and he chose to do it the fastest way possible at the expense of human lives and having a decent culture. The thing is, we aren't even talking about the revolution. That shit you mentioned is still happening today, when Western nations stopped doing them a century ago. It doesn't take much to stop children from getting mangled in machinery, or to have a decent workweek, or to stop polluting the rivers and air such that your population needs increasing levels of medical care just to stay alive.

>>1099532
>If the workers do not control the means of production then it is not communism.

The necessity to kill everyone who doesn't want a communist economic system ensures the killing organizations exist which ensures their opportunistic choice to rule instead of suffer in a race to the bottom. Communism has not happened because communists have not solved that problem and refuse to admit it exists. Communes are very difficult to maintain, let alone communist societies. Communists of course don't build working examples of the society they prefer because that is too much like work.

Those not wishing to be slaves under "communism" have to kill communists because, like Muslims, communists are beyond reason and must be murdered. I advocate murder of communists because I prefer not to live in the inevitable Stalinist/Maoist result of communist revolutions. Communists are incapable if figuring out that Bolsheviks always win. Communists think like children, not adults, but they are dangerous. The solution is murder. I'll even take globalist NeoCons over a Commie. There is no room in the Communist mind for debate. Shoot them and they cease to function, but shooting them is /k/ and not /diy/.

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>>1095319

Anyone interesting in why china is shit should watch these channels;

https://www.youtube.com/user/churchillcustoms

https://www.youtube.com/user/serpentza

Perspective on a few guys who have lived in china for quite a few years, seems like nearly every video is something terrible with china yet he still lives there.

>>1099555

>muh human nature

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>>1099555
>murder.
Pic related.

Seriously though, a fundamental part of communist ideology is to expropriate capital from any owners on pain of death, and to force everyone into their system through violent revolution. They do not even try to hide this. They will kill you if they have the chance, and they genuinely believe it is just and proper to do so.

>>1096602
>>1096224
>>1097680

I am glad you guys can put a humorous spin on it.

>>1099581
I don't get wrapped around the axle about gore. It's not worth getting bent out of shape.

>>1099595
Should have made those puns way earlier m8, when anon first posted the webm. Still, better lathe than never.

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>>1099603
People get bent out of shape about anything

>>1099555
I think very few people are actually communist. I think most are fundamentally socialist though. Socialism is completely open to debate and compromise though, because it doesn't demand an absolute system.

Equally, I think the extreme libertarians are completely insane. Talking about the free market solving all problems is bullshit, unless there are established systems to make negotiation cheaper than murder to acquire capital. and private police just means privilege (as in the old meaning of private law, which means that if you invent something the corps will still kill you and take it unless you sell out to one that can protect you quickly enough).

I think the soviet system may be/have been workable. It's basically the same medieval economy system that everyone who wasn't noble worked with, where you were a town resident, and ended up getting shuffled into an apprenticeship based on what the town council thought of you. Also similar to the older style corporations (or the japanese model), where if you were loyal to them they would be loyal to you and transfer you instead of firing you when downsizing.
Capitalist, but communist within those specific social groups.

Fundamentally though, communism arose through a lack of understanding of the value added by those who merely move capital rather than producing it, combined with legitimate frustration at the impersonal screwing unregulated capitalism causes.
Same frustration elected Trump. Biggest complaint was that the economy wasn't getting better, even though it was, because a huge chunk of the population is getting screwed by technological unemployment and statistical analysis of wages, companies spending on company picnics instead of raises because of psych studies on how to make people satisfied with that.

>>1099617
>Talking about the free market solving all problems is bullshit
What's insane is using the same tired strawman over and over when it has never worked, and never will.

>>1094899
ancap as fuck desu

>>1099555
this communist violate the nap and must purged

>>1099532
>x failed because it wasn't real communism
>I swear it will work next time, guise

>>1099776
You can argue that real communism isn't possible in state scale and I would agree. Calling China's system communism is still silly. It's kinda like saying North Korea is democratic, because their government says they are.

No one theory will work. U have to have an adaptable and ever changing hybrid. Mostly capitalism but u need everyone to work together like communism and u have to take care of the lowlife ms like socialism or they become a problem.

Adaptability is key. No 1 system has ever been proven.

>>1099527
Wages will increase over time as well, as companies that were paying $3 a day for a shit job will have to start actually paying people. This will push wages up, as a new "competitor" has entered the labor market.

Or they just automate everything, they make some white collar jobs and food stays cheap. Either way, illegals gotta go.

>>1099797
>U have to have an adaptable and ever changing hybrid
Your appeal to moderation is a sign of ignorance. Nobody works together in communism because nobody works. Nor do you have to take care of lowlifes; if they become a problem they can simply be physically removed. The moment you start accepting that fundamental principles can be fluid, you're entering a world of chaos and nonsensical judgments.

>>1099821
I say we make all the lowlifes fight to the death for their welfare. Or we could catapult them to Africa. Something cool that people would avoid, yet everyone would be able to watch.

>>1095836
Never worked with a mexican huh?

>>1099778
Not the guy you're quoting but I'm gonna step in and tell you a secret.

Communism only exists on paper.

>>1100067
Not that guy, but every Mexican I've ever met has either been one of the hardest-working people I've ever met, or the laziest. there is no middle ground.

>>1100164
Some small religious communes are apparently rather close to it.

>>1100186
but when you look under the surface they have a few strong leaders that are de facto in charge

>>1100196
Some are pretty democratic. That said, yes, it is normal that some people have more convincing opinions / are more charismatic / are more outspoken / etc. and thus have more influence.

>>1095993
>higher food prices
Food companies don't lower prices to match their employees' wages. They charge what they would always have charged. You gullible moron.
>or low wages
That's specifically the beaners' fault. They drive down wages for everyone else by accepting $2 an hour. If they all left companies would be forced to pay living wages, all those wages would actually stay in America instead of being funneled to Mexico, our economy would improve, and prices for everything including food would decrease.

>>1100227
>prices for everything including food would decrease
No. The cost of American labor is higher than Mexican labor. It will always be higher, because Mexicans are willing to take less money for the same work. This will necessarily result in higher food prices. The only way food prices would decrease is through automation, where labor costs are effectively zero (though initial capital costs are high).

>>1100284
You really don't understand, do you? They have never lowered the price of food to match the wages they're paying. They charge the same as ever and use Mexican wages solely to boost their bottom line. That's how modern big business works. If food prices did go up it would match the increase in average wages for real Americans.

>>1100384
The price would increase for everyone, whereas the wages would increase only for those Americans who would gain low-level employment where they had none before. Higher prices of goods means less consumption, or less spending in other areas. Lower, not higher, prices are economically beneficial.

You don't get something for nothing. You get rid of cheap labor in favor of American workers, and it will cost you. You could argue that there would be non-economic benefits, but that's not what we're discussing.

>>1100400
>wages would increase only for those Americans who would gain low-level employment
You clearly have zero understanding of economics. When the lower or middle class do better everyone does better.

>>1100400
That's a lot of dubs.

>>1100447
>zero understanding of economics.
Says the guy who thinks raising the price of labor is economically beneficial. As I said, SOME people would get a higher wage when they get a job formerly held by a Mexican. Everyone else would have to pay for it, because the price of goods that business is producing will go up to account for it.

Do you believe in minimum wage, by any chance?

>>1095717
Wait, you got paid well to yell at commies? Sign me up.

>>1100459
>Do you believe in minimum wage, by any chance?
No shit. If you don't think th minimum wage greatly improved the economy and the standard of living in this country you're a moron. Read a damn book.
And again. Higher wages means more spending money which means more money flows through the economy which means everyone starts making more money. This is really basic shit.

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>>1100482
>Higher wages means more spending money which means more money flows through the economy which means everyone starts making more money.
>really basic shit
Wait, am I being rused here or what?

>>1100489
take economics 102: macro, because you're doing it wrong

>>1100491
>macroeconomics doesn't function on microeconomic principles
Wew lad.

If you learned from your macro courses that minimum wage is economically beneficial, you should ask for your money back.

>>1100494
If you didnt learn in your macro class that minimum wages cause inflation until the minimum wage = value of minimum wage jobs, you should ask for your money back.

It also gets rid of many jobs that would be great for part time students. I know if I could go sweep the local fab shop after school for 10 bucks I would have done it in highschool.

All raising the min wage will do, is cause layoffs, and cause inflation; in return for a short period of time where what burger flippers keep their jobs may have more free cash.

>>1100227
>farmers would pay more for their labour
>food prices would go down
Yeah... Nah.

>>1100524
Are you replying to the right person? I'm arguing that minimum wage produces negative effects, and everything you mentioned was a negative effect.

>>1100524
This is true?
Every time I hear about the minimum wage going up I mention to people what a stupid idea it is and they all tell me what a horrible person I am and people deserve more money. Kinda makes me sadder how obvious it is but nobody things about it and always pushing it further and further up. Weird.
I suppose the real reason they argue with me is because I suggest disabled people could be put to use as cheap labour instead of priced out and forced to live on the state. Apparently that makes me a nazi it something. Fuck.

>>1100532
Not him, but yes. Refer to the supply-demand graph here>>1100489 and you can see that raising the wage above equilibrium creates an excess of supply (because everyone wants to work at a higher-paid job) and a shortage of supply (because fewer businesses can afford the higher wage).

The only way businesses can deal with a rise in minimum wage is to raise the price of their products so as to pass on the cost to the consumer (which depresses demand), or to cut jobs, hours, benefits, training, etc. in order to do the same thing with less.

So minimum wage is great for the guy who now has higher pay. Not so great for the guy who has zero pay because he lost his job. And awful for businesses and consumers in general.

When you get a clown who says
>Higher wages means more spending money which means more money flows through the economy which means everyone starts making more money
the logical consequence is that if the wage were raised to a million dollars per hour, everyone would be filthy rich and the economy would explode with prosperity. This belies a hilariously poor understanding of economics. And yet it's one of the most commonly used arguments for minwage increases by politicians and plebs.

>>1100538
>shortage of supply
Demand, rather.

Guys, I'm.

I'm not laughing anymore.

Guys?

>thread started
>hey guys lets talk about chinese mad engineering

>100 posts later
>DAMN IT THIS IS A VIOLATION OF NAP

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>>1095990
I, too, know of what you are speaking about regarding electronics.

>working for a firm that has a factory in China
>design circuit board
>use domestic firm to order First articles
>check FA for functionality and confirm prototypes work as expected
>turn to chinese factory with schematics and prototypes
>they look it over, OK it and we then wait for the turn around as they begin manufacturing the first run

The first run never works...ever. In 10 years, I have never seen one group of any parts made over there EVER work as intended. If its not poor construction, its components ordered that are wrong. If its not corrupt firmware, its firmware that suddenly changed from the version we sent off. If its not sink in the injection molded plastics, its tooling failures. Over the years I have noticed a trend where you know it wont work the first time, but it was cheap. So, you have them run it again, and this time its a little better, but still not perfect so they rework it. The third time is usually about 90% acceptable but it still isnt what the domestic vendor made. Each of these iterations cost money, and I think the Chinese fucking know that as long as it comes in just under the cost of what it would take to produce it right the first time in the US, they will continue to get business. I definitely hate dealing with the chinese on anything more complicated than component level purchases. The more complex an item, the more likely youll have to redo the work and spin multiple iterations to get it close to where you wanted it. Not to mention, i guarantee that whatever they learn at our factory, if its something that they can tell others about, theyll make knock off clones as soon as possible.

I am not trying to be mean, but i do really agree that the Chinese are well articulated con men when it comes to manufacture. I think, in a morbid kind of way, its actually a pretty brilliant strategy for making money.

>>1100723
>yes we know, they have every possible problem with quality control
>yes we know, they won't tell about problems and improvise instead
>yes we know, there's a chance of us getting outright scammed
>yes we know, it's all shit, BUT IT'S SO CHEAP!!!1

I'd say the western companies are equally guilty.

>>1095319
>Watch me swooce on in
>*swooce*

>>1100524
>minimum wages cause inflation until the minimum wage = value of minimum wage job
only if the only source of income available to anyone is a minimum wage job

>>1100781
What? He's referring to the rise in prices of minimum wage-produced goods to account for the rise in labor costs, not a rise in prices across the entire economy (though it will certainly have a ripple effect to some extent, since minimum wage jobs tend to be associated with things everyone buys, like clothes and groceries). Inflation isn't the right word, but the concept is sound.

>>1094902
did it work?

>>1096110
>>1096224
>>1096602
he just rolled back

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>>1098470
I love this

>>1100781
>this stupid
No. If min wages go up, costs on sevices + goods will increase. When these prices increase, your dollar is worth less, regardless of how you made it. This means people earning more than minimum wage will still want cost of living expenses raises, and at the end of the day, your end results are inflation, and a loss of jobs.

>>1095319
>society that just does one fucking thing.
>>Grow rice
>>Drive truck
>>Bash square peg in round hole
>>Weld steel

lists four things

>>1094901
>>1094902
>>1094903

How can they be so stupid? It seems they believe that just looking like an aircraft and having a spinny thing at the front makes them fly. Full respect to >>1094905 for doing function over form and actually achieving something that flew, but how could those adult men think an equivalent of a playground equipment could possibly fly? Have they tried making even a paper plane before that?

>>1100974
That strata of people is people who can only do one thing.
Context clues, Jimmy.

>>1100489
>>1100524
>>1100527
>>1100532
>>1100538
>>1100781
>>1100787
>>1100933
So raising the minimum wage is kind of a cyclical thing. It WILL cause some inflation, but a mildly inflationary economy is good for a lot of reasons (even if it bugs the shit out of the back to gold types). And the graph is right, but is ignoring some of the knock on effects.

There's an argument to be made that part of the issue is that there's not enough cash actively flowing through the economy. And all the peer reviewed studies show that for every $1 you hand to a low income hand to mouth person, you get $1.60 something in economic growth.

>>1100538
Obviously you get diminishing returns from raising the minimum wage.
But government regulation (minimum wage) isn't the only factor that impedes the free market. The corporate system warps the free market with information asymmetry and regulatory capture at the local level. And a lot of businesses have a corporate imposed wage ceiling, in that even if the particular store manager would like to pay more, the corporation forbids it. Of course, in many areas, corporations form a monopsony for unskilled labor aside from construction, which is why construction jobs often pay so much more than retail even though the risk of injury doesn't account for it, and the work is often as demanding.

So there is already a deadweight loss on the chart above. raising the minimum wage is a means of creating a producer surplus (for labor/employees) instead of a consumer surplus.
This would help counteract the systemic economic issues which have accumulated all the productivity gains to the top 1%.

>Economics graduate who believes Keynsian works if we actually follow it, and that supplyside economics is mostly the same feelgood bullshit pandering to the wealthy that Reaganomics was.

>>1101480
Shit, tired.
>So raising the minimum wage is kind of a cyclical thing.
It will cause some people to temporarily lose their jobs. But if it's not done to an extreme (I honestly think $15 is crazy, more like $10-12 and pegging it to the Social Security inflation index so we don't have this fight every decade), the additional demand for goods and services will increase demand for labor.
It's the same reason that tax breaks don't stimulate all that much economic growth. You don't hire another cashier because you have the money to do so, you hire another cashier because you have a lot of people in the store and if you don't, you'll lose sales because people will get frustrated and leave.
It doesn't matter how much money you have on hand (unless credit is broken and you don't have access to banking, which as far as I can tell was a big part of the issue in the 70's that made cutting taxes fix the issue a little bit), you won't hire another cashier unless the marginal product of labor is enough hire than the marginal cost that you likely wont be screwed by stickiness if things change.

also, AMA if you want.

>>1101480
>a mildly inflationary economy is good for a lot of reasons
Particularly at robbing people of their purchasing power.

>not enough cash actively flowing through the economy
There is more cash flowing through the economy than ever in human history. The problem with Keynesians is that no amount of money is ever enough.

>information asymmetry
Not the government's problem, and something that is fixable by the market.

>regulatory capture
Entirely the government's fault.

>raising the minimum wage is a means of creating a producer surplus
And a corresponding shortage of demand for labor. You cannot escape this.

> But if it's not done to an extreme (I honestly think $15 is crazy, more like $10-12 and pegging it to the Social Security inflation index so we don't have this fight every decade), the additional demand for goods and services will increase demand for labor.
This is literally the "raise the minimum wage to a billion dollars and everyone will be rich" argument. It's fundamentally fallacious.

>tax breaks don't stimulate all that much economic growth
Except they do, because that extra money that stays in your pocket can be spent on things you demand, so someone's business (if not yours) will see increased sales.

>>1098862
The problem with that is that The Party has the incentive to prevent that, to prevent a rising middle class from rivaling/ursurping its power, as compared to Western countries which tried and failed at maintaining both royalty and laissez faire and emerged almost entirely better for it.

Because of a ruthless and parasitic government, there is a powerful and determined force to prevent that.

Hence, I'd put it somewhat farther along, at mabe 65-80 years.

>>1094901
Jesus Christ

>>1095717
>having to get up every morning to a phone full all kinds of excuses as to why something wasn't working, then spend the next 12 hours yelling, snapping my foot off in some rectums and then pass out sometime around 10pm.
Sounds like a living hell

>>1095907
>having no interest in helping someone whos hurt unless they can pay
This is why I a eternally grateful for the NHS.

>>1101581
The problem isn't that they want someone to pay, because nothing is free, least of all healthcare. The problem is refusing to accept delayed payment plans or travel health insurance, and demanding cash upfront.

>>1099559
Thanks senpai. Nice viewing

>>1101555
What about India?

>>1101515
True, an inflationary economy helps with sticky prices of labor, people are much more upset by a paycut than by not getting a raise. Its also a tax on idle capital, meaning there is a cost for letting money sit idle in the bank instead of being invested in the economy (benefit). %10 inflation is awful, 2-3 is kind of good.
I agree that there is more money IN te economy than ever, the problem is that it os NOT flowing, its all sitting in bank accounts and treasury notes. (Which is part of what is lowering the cost of borrowing and letting politicians not adress debt). I agree (i think) that the Fed went way too far with throwing cash at the problem.

Information assymetry is a failure of the free market which needs regulation to address. For example, it used to be a fireable offense to reveal what you are paid to other employees, because the company would prefer to have all the information about wages when you are negotiating a raise. It is now illegal to fire you for asking your coworker what he is paid.

Well regulatory capture is, in effect, the end of a free market regulation system, wherein it eventually benefits the paying customers more. Just look at the outcomes of manditory arbitration clauses, where the outcome is hilariously weighted towards the party who chooses the firm and will come back for repeat business.
Or heck, look at how congress just had to pass a bill preventing companies from using non-disparagement clauses in their adhesion contracts (which gets back to information asymmetry because it is literally impossible to read the fine print of the terms of service for every website you visit, service you use, and product you buy)

>>1101515
I agree, a price floor with cause less labor to be demanded at that price, shifting left along the demand curve. However, the total price paid for labor will increase, causing more cash in the hands of consumers who are more likely to spend rather than save. This will increase the demand for goods and services from consumers, which will shift the demand curve (as in the curve will move, not the intersection point) There 100% will be a shift, but theres not enough data to be able to predict whether the equilibrium point when it settles out (6 months to a year after increase because it takes time to get through the system and hiring time etc)

You just have to look at the outcome of the bump in the minimum wage in 2009 had, it kept the economy going much better than it should have considering the other factors of the recession.

>This is literally the "raise the minimum wage to a billion dollars and everyone will be rich" argument. It's fundamentally fallacious.
... Um i said literally the opposite of the strawman argument. I said there is definitely a point at which the minimum wage increase has more costs than benefits, and that i think a good point is probably the $10 to $12 range. Heck, i think the fact that walmart, famous for slashing labor costs at every point, has decided that $10 is a reasonable minimum wage is decent evidence that its not crazy.
Claiming that thats the same as saying raise minimum wage until no one is poor is like saying that since you want to cut taxes to increase growth you are saying that taxes should be 0% and governments should get all their money by charging for services... Oh wait

>>1101515

...you are correct, i should have specified. Tax breaks that hit low income people cause economic growth in the way you describe will have a benefit to the economy.
However, im talking about the reagan, kennedy, and bush tax cuts that disproportionately hit those at the top, who already have a lot of money in savings that they are not spending. So a large percentage just goes into their savings or low yield bonds and therefore cycles through the economy slowly if at all.
Also
>Except they do, because that extra money that stays in your pocket can be spent on things you demand, so someone's business (if not yours) will see increased sales.
This is LITERALLY the exact same argument i made on why raising the minimum wage would create economic growth that would likely offset the jobs lost very rapidly.

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>>1098701
I've not actually seen that, however, I think I might make the effort to track it down and see how much of it mirrors what I went through.

>>1101591
Oh India's completely fucked.
Unless some massive social and behavioural change happens (really soon) they're basically going to wipe themselves out in some kind of squalid, choking nightmare of pollution and degenerate iniquity.
>No one pays taxes
>Corruption is in-fucking-sane
>Anyone with a brain pisses off overseas
>Industrial pollution is just crazy to the point of lethal
>No one has any respect for their country, surroundings or environment

Its actually a really alien place in a lot of ways, lot of the people are really nice to the point of being annoyingly friendly, but the whole culture's just a bit too fucking weird for me to get my head around. I've actually known a fair few indians fairly well as workmates over the last 20 odd years, but I'm damned if I can figure out exactly where it all went wrong. Not like they're stupid or incompetent, its just they don't give a fuck about anything and quickly change the subject- literally juggling wet bars of soap is easier than getting a straight, no bullshit answer out of an Indian that doesn't want to answer your question!

>>1101687
>cost for letting money sit idle in the bank instead of being invested in the economy (benefit)
This assumes two things;
1. That money sitting in the bank is literally cash gathering dust in a vault. When money is saved in a bank in the current system, it allows the bank to lend out a certain percentage to debtors (thereby temporarily inflating the money supply) who then spend that money on productive purposes. It most certainly doesn't sit idle.
2. That savings are not valuable in the same way as goods or services. Because no individual can be certain of the future, they value having some of their property in the form of savings, just the same as some people value having some of their property in the form of cars or hamburgers. It is, in that sense, an economic good like any other. It is incorrect to dismiss savings as an improper use of money.

>the problem is that it os NOT flowing
Money flow is entirely irrelelevant. Production and consumption, not money flow, is the economy. Money is merely the medium of exchange, it is not the means of payment (which is goods and services, in exchange for other goods and services).

>Information assymetry is a failure of the free market
To say that it's a market failure is to render the concept nonsensical. Markets operate BECAUSE of information assymetry. Humans necessarily feature different levels of knowledge and interpretation. That is how division of labor came about in the first place. In an example where a firm fires any employees who share wage information, it is free market competition that provides the solution. The more honest firm can attract the most competent employees, and thereby have a competitive advantage.

To hold the government up as a solution to information assymetry is hilarious, because it is the most informationally assymmetric organization in human history. It's like putting a tiger in the henhouse to guard against the occasional fox.
cont.

>>1101695
Both regulatory capture and blanket enforcement of arbitration clauses are the result of government interference in the economy and justice system. A hideously overcomplicated legal system, inflated over centuries of proactive legislators, makes contract law the complicated mess it is today. To suggest that it is the free market, and not the very creators of this system, is at fault for its failures, is silly.

>total price paid for labor will increase
This is not necessarily the case. It is likely to be so, because not all firms can cut .5 of an employee in order to remain at their pre-rise levels.

>causing more cash in the hands of consumers who are more likely to spend. This will increase the demand for goods and services from consumers, which will shift the demand curve
This is the part that's nonsensical. You have not actually changed levels of production in the economy, any of the actual stuff that makes up economic interactions. You have just made one factor of production (labor) more expensive. And as a result, you claim that there will be an INCREASE in both production and consumption. This is a complete non-sequitur.

>it kept the economy going much better than it should have
How do you know what it would have looked like without a minimum wage hike?

>there is definitely a point at which the minimum wage increase has more costs than benefits
On what grounds do you say this? When, exactly, do the principles of supply and demand kick in, but until that point they don't exist? What happens in the $10-$12 range that stops happening once you go higher?

>tax cuts that disproportionately hit those at the top, who already have a lot of money in savings that they are not spending
I've already mentioned that "saved" money is not idle money. It gets put to productive use when it is deposited. But regardless, velocity of money does not cause economic activity, it is the result of economic activity. In its own right, V is irrelevant.
cont.

>>1101698
>This is LITERALLY the exact same argument i made on why raising the minimum wage would create economic growth
It isn't. When you cut taxes, you are removing a burden from the economy. You are allowing people to keep more of the money they ALREADY have. There are no negative effects to production or consumption, only positive. When you impose or raise minimum wage, you are adding a burden to the economy. You are forcing people to spend more money than they did before on producing and consuming the same amount of goods. And contrary to your suggestion, a price floor on labor does not magically boost consumer demand in the long run, because as discussed, some get the benefit of a higher wage, others lose their job, and everyone other than the wage increase recipients now have less money to spend on other goods because minimum wage goods have risen in price.

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>>1101712
Fuck me, that was a wall of text. I really should go back to /pol/, I'm feeling guilty about shitting up your nice honest board with econ discussion. Have some DIY guns.

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>>1101716

>>1101713
>>1101715
>>1101716
>>1101717
Goddammit, turns out guns aren't allowed here either. I have nothing left to offer, and my DIY powered harness for my hang glider isn't done yet. I'm not Chinese, so it will actually fly when finished...

>>1101718
You arent posting how to make a gun out of sheet metal or a galvanized pipe
Youll be fine

>>1095319
Chinks are subhuman we all knew that

>>1094906

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>>1101710
I completely get fractional reserve banking. What I'm saying is that a lot o time it gets spent on something that does not circulate the money very much, such as treasury bonds, or it becomes part of a large loan where yes, it does spend a large amount of time waiting in an account for contruction milestones to be completed or w/e. whereas if it was in the economy being spent on good and services it could change hands a dozen times over the same year. Also, banks lend money to companies in other states/countries, so money in a bank is less likely to spur local investment.
2. I'm not, I'm saying that increasing savings does not affect the demand curve and wont spur further investment. I absolutely believe that individuals should save. but if your goal is to spur consumption to increase demand, then giving money to people who will use it to invest in savings will not have the same effect as giving money to people who desire goods and services but don't have the funds to purchase them.

Money flow is important, because if money moves slower the money supply shrinks. When the money supply isn't there for exchange to happen, there is no demand because there is no cash. We have cities with populations of homeless people and vacant houses. those homeless people can't get employment because they have no stable living space to store clean clothing and get showers in. The houses are vacant and deteriorating because no one wants to live in an area where there are homeless people.
No, the classical free market operates assuming individuals act rationally with perfect information.
How do you know which firms are honest? You don't have access to employee handbooks until you are hired. Do you operate on word of mouth? How do you know it's not a PR firm?
That's kind of my point. Please note, I'm not talking about skills, but about information on pricing. It's how the whole company town thing used to work.

>>1101711
You know what, I'm tired of word limits, and I'm actually interested in the discussion with someone who is actually intelligent and not spamming slogans. Here's a temp email if you want to continue the conversation [email protected]

>>1094901
>iron plates

>>1101717
AR30

>>1101817
>giving money to people who desire goods and services but don't have the funds to purchase them.
You are describing almost every person on the planet. Does the millionaire do less consumption when he buys a yacht for $1M than 500k people buying a $2 coffee? The money spent is the same, the amount of times it changes hands is irrelevant. Simply giving away free money is not some cost-less venture, because nothing is free. Someone always has to pay.

>When the money supply isn't there for exchange to happen, there is no demand because there is no cash
This isn't true at all. Money is a convenient means of exchange, but it is not the CAUSE of exchange. When you have two people with a double coincidence of wants, they will exchange their goods whether or not there is any money in their pockets. Exchange most certainly happened before money existed. Most early economies were barter-based. And there was plenty of demand back then, the only problem was the inconvenience. But it is goods and services that form the concept of economic exchange. Cash is there to make that exchange easier. And there is certainly no shortage of that right now, so adding more will only continue to make things worse.

A person who is poor is so for a reason; namely that he does not (for whatever reason) offer something to others that is in high enough demand. A lack of money is a symptom of this, not a cause. Giving him free money in exchange for nothing will allow him to buy things, but it did not solve the fundamental problem.
cont.

>>1101824

>homless people
The vast majority of homeless are substance abusers and the mentally ill. Giving them living space will not magically transform them into productive people.

>Do you operate on word of mouth?
Of course. Given that it was impossible to keep top secret surveillance operations a secret from the general public in one of the most advanced and well-funded spy agencies in human history, it shouldn't be at all difficult to expose firms that fire employees for asking what their coworkers earn.

Anyway, I'll leave it there, since I don't want to shit up the thread anymore and risk getting it pruned. I'm pretty sure we both know the other's talking points, so more discussion wouldn't be too productive. These days I argue publicly on the chans not for my benefit, but for the casual observer who might not otherwise get exposure to these subjects.

Back on topic, the illustrious Apostle Dr. Kwadwo Safo of Ghana and his amazing inventions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTv7AqH7AHY

DIY YLYL

>Debates about the merits of communism
>Debate about the effects of increasing the minimum wage

I don't know why I expected any different.

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>>1101577
Actually fairly low down on the living hell ratings, the stress is high like most project management stuff, but the chance of an untimely death (unless you're driving somewhere- maybe we'll get to that later) is actually really low, food is on the 'mediocre' side and finding something to eat that wasn't awful and cooked in 'reclaimed organic detritus' by scurrilous vendors did seem to be a constant battle. I am a large, physically active animal and midget sized servings for someone 5'2 and 90lb is not adequate. Living conditions are otherwise great- you can get a really decent apartment for not a lot of money that's got all the aircon and heating you'd ever want, which is handy as you will fucking know it in winter!

India, much the same but the food is terrible to the point that I'm fairly sure my lower intestine is still not quite on speaking terms with various other organs, it may be terrible- but the water will actually kill you. Living conditions, also great if you're willing to hunt around for something modern/western-ish. The weather, like most tropical regions its either really fucking hot and drier than a nuns nasty, or just hot, wet and generally disgusting. Likewise, stay away from driving places, because you will get maimed/die from some kind of vehicle related accident.

PNG, one of the first jobs I took after leaving the military and it was hard work. Mostly because you get dumped on a half-developed mining site about 500km from what passes for civilisation and expected to make really high tech things with flashing lights work in an environment that's basically inimitable to anything more complicated than a sharp stick working for more than a week. The weather is terrifying, your plane will probably slam into a mountain, the people still spear each other on a regular basis and only stopped eating each other on a regular basis about 70 years ago, life is really fucking primitive

Bad as PNG was, still not the worst job ever

>>1102815
what in the everfucking fuck

>>1102832
Bitch wasn't the designated forklift counterweight. Should have kept her hands off and let the trained counterweight do his job.

>>1095422
Nothin personnel kid...

>>1102815
Well, I'm awake now.

>>1101577

Never work in the West Indies.

Similar excuse situation. What takes 5 mins in the 1st world can take months here, if you're lucky. Though there is a little less backstabbing but more people willing to kill you over nothing.

>>1095891
>comes on 4chan
>not a sociopath
shiggy diggy

>>1099776
>>1100164
So did everything else at one point in time.

>>1102835
Now this is a job they should have brought in Americans for

>>1102954
You just keep on hoping, buddy. <3

>>1102815
Run, or roll, sideways!

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>>1102933
Ah yes, 'Island Time' is a special thing that is outside of normal physics and the flow of time anywhere else in the universe.

Spent a month on Fiji helping them out with their telco network, setting up monitoring for their equipment, some maintenance schedules, training on some of the gear and various other trouble shooting shit. People there still run on island time, but once in a while when it matters (natural disasters, military coup's and making kava) they will put in a surprisingly hard amount of work. I still have nightmares about their riggers and working at heights stuff because they had these bloody Pakistanis they managed to find somewhere that refused to wear climbing harnesses 'because it slowed them down', so they'd have these mad arseholes climbing all over towers, hanging off extension bars like deranged, shit flinging fucking monkeys...
>"So what happens when you fall or slip?"
>"Oh, if we fall, god wills it"
I did eventually manage to get the local guys to follow some safety procedures, like turning OFF the RF gear before working on it, wearing harnesses and not making more widows

God wills it is basically the road rules in most non-western countries (and a couple of western ones) where vehicle maintenance is non-existent, driving ability is not a thing, running people over and then running away yourself is a thing and one working air brake on a 30ton truck is enough.
If you do have to travel by road in India, China, most of Asia (except- JP or Singapore) you really should begin the day by praying to a couple of gods and actually mean it! One god is not enough to save you, if Jesus or Buddha is off getting a sandwich or otherwise distracted, someone else needs to be looking out for you, because your fellow road users will not be and you will die horribly!
I really like motorbikes and to some extent, bicycles, but just don't ride one there because no god can save you

>>1102954
>inb4 'capitalism is bad guise'
Everyone knows capitalism is shit, it's just the least shitty one we've come up with thus far.

>>1103073
>Everyone knows capitalism is shit,
Except capitalism is pretty great. Post-scarcity is better, but it's not really an economic system rather than an inevitable state of affairs.

>>1102532
I loved to lurk this thread,it was a nice surprise that wall of text, and i belive that wasn't the first time that i lurk a thread and see a discussion of economics here. It feels nice when it's sporadic with a time apart of each other

>>1102973
Damn straight. I would've made that forklift pop a two-wheelie.

>>1103072
Movin around at the speed of sound!

>>1103072
>That guy that saw the carnage and tried to ride away but got nailed by the streetlight.
Bad luck Wuk

>>1103202
>Wuk got fucked

You know its fucking metal when you're nailed by a falling streetlight, then run over by a semi truck using a sedan on fire as its bumper

>>1103072
Fucking ant-people are insane. Anybody else starting to see why it was whites who colonized the globe?

>>1104139
Lol, I sort of did this with a laptop keyboard that got juice spilled on it and was spazzing out. Wanted to speed up the drying process after I washed it, so I popped it in the oven on the lowest temperature with the door open. Apparently the heat concentrated too well on the rack and fucked up a couple of keys. Still worked, it was just retarded and hard to use.

>>1101747
>galvanized pipe
nah, you want to use seemless black gas pipe

>>1100670
>there is litteraly nothing wrong with being jewish.

>>1101718
TOPKEK.

Kite with a man on it is always fun diy

>>1101747
B-but Muh aluminum

>>1102378
LOST

>>1102532
Me neither. I fucking only been here twice since starting the thread. Still laughing tho. The blunt sarcasm in this shit is pretty good

>>1099555
> X is bad because it kills whoever doesn't want or agree with X system
> The solution I purpose is to kill all existing X without hesitation
Hummmmmmm
You don't actually know what communism is,do you? By the way you speak, it's evident you just swallowed iron curtain propaganda. Proletariat, means of production, dialectical materialism, these words don't mean anything to you, do they?

>>1104315
Well, the kite part isn't DIY, only the power part is. If it all fails catastrophically, I'll still be attached to a commercially-produced glider. I'm not suicidal, just cheap; fuck paying $7k+ for something I can make myself for a grand and a half.

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>>1104329
>iron curtain propaganda
>Proletariat, means of production, dialectical materialism

>>1095628
Lost

>>1104329
Nothing wrong with killing commies.

>>1104382
communism is the very definition of failure!

>>1104410
Not really though

>>1104418
It really is.
>not muh snowflake communism

>>1104420
Every communist attempt has been squashed immediately by the rest of the world halting all trade immediately. It doesn't matter what your economic system is, if you are denied trade yip will fail. The specific term for this is war by attrition.

We will never know if communism can be successful until one is given a real chance

Additionally it should be noted a democratically run communism has never been attempted.

It may be a failure, but we'll not know until it's attempted. I'm for controlled capitalism, but to claim communism is just silly

>>1104422
>It will work this time I swear come on one more time please?
Jump out of a helicopter, commie.

>>1104422
>communism failed because other societies acted like communists
>democratically run communism
Holy shit you are an idiot.

>>1104139
>mfw I washed a naglene bottle in near-boiling water and it imploded on me

>>1095907
Was just having the decision whether to learn Mandarin or Japanese a few weeks ago. Good thing I've decided for Japanese.

>>1103083
>Post-scarcity
This kills the capitalism. The ones who have the most power in making it a reality are the ones who will not benefit from it.

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So is this only a china-hate thread or can we post general ylyl too?

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>>1104481
>capitalism a system for managing scarce resources
>post scarcity, a pipe dream where resources are no longer scarce
Haha I beat capitalism! Finally!
Stranger in a strange land is a great bitter pill for communists.

>>1104498
Post scarcity doesn't actually mean no scarcity (because that is impossible, obviously). If you prefer, think of it as ''superabundance".

>>1104481
This kills all economic systems to any meaningful degree, because all extant economic systems rely on human labor as a vital component of their formulation. In a post-scarcity economy, you'll most likely see cottage industries producing unique handcrafted goods for those who demand human-made shit, and exchange of miscellaneous goods and services. But the overwhelming amount of production would be automated.

As for incentive, the richest capitalist on earth is a beggar in the face of a post-scarcity economy. As labor becomes increasingly absent in the market, there will be fewer people with money to buy goods so it does the wealthy capitalist no favors to keep prices high, as he will see steadily declining sales. Instead, he will gradually decrease prices as his production efficiencies increase, until all stages of production (including resource collection, maintenance, etc.) are self-sustaining. When the vast majority of all goods and services are produced this way, there is no longer any point charging anything for them, because nobody could pay even if they wanted to, and because it costs you absolutely nothing.

Obviously there are challenges to the transition (how to coordinate allocation of raw materials, etc), but the point is that it is beneficial for everyone, rich or poor.

>>1104503
>is a beggar in the face of a post-scarcity economy
By which I mean the abundance of goods and services would be far greater in post-scarcity than any wealthy person could hope to buy right now, not that they would be reduced to beggary.

>>1104330
Good call. I can't manage to get a drone to hover and am crippled from a 8 foot fall. Post results of cool flights and crashes.

>>1104482
OP here. I don't make the rules or give a fuck. My 7 chink fails turned into a pro/oppose communism blog. I like it and 0 fucks given. Cut loose bro

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>>1104578
When I finally do finish the damn thing, I will. It's basically just this guy's design (which is itself a barebones copy of the NRG Mosquito harness) with a couple unimportant changes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ADC3tUYwI

Everything was largely done, but the last round of testing I did (like 2 years ago, fuck) resulted in insufficient thrust. I was just running like a motherfucker and nothing was happening. I need to get a tach and figure out what RPM I'm getting to make sure I'm at peak torque, and then to verify with some manufacturers that the prop pitch and diameter I'm using is optimal.

>>1104293
>seemless

>>1095319
Oh right I get banned for my pic but this guy gets off?

>>1096585
There's a story that circulates on /k/ sometimes about a naval officer who does some sort of exchange program on an Indian vessel and supposedly it had exposed wires everywhere and plumbing that didn't work.

>>1105767
>plumbing that didn't work
DESIGNATED

Im an english teacher and i actually learned some stuff by googling terms from that argument. Good ylyl bread

>>1104482
Please tell me that is just a shitty diy job?

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>>1106043
Well, it is technically DIY but not sold as such. Chinks often sell garbage like this to unwitting customers.

>>1106055
Bloody hell then my paranoia has paid off. Fucking Chinks and their cheap ass shit

>>1106057
Shit, I bought a "16gb" flash drive from the dollar store the other day for $4. I obviously didn't expect it to be 16gb, more like 4 or maybe 8. Turned out to be a whopping 1gb, which you'd be hard pressed to still find anywhere. And it's not exactly a shady back-alley electronics seller, it had nice packaging and was stocked on the shelves.

Around Chinese, be never at ease.

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>>1106064
Well luckily I haven't had any bigger issue with my supplier. But yeah to many people assume that the chinks have honor and etiquette...

>>1103072
>then the truck driver wakes up:
>"Huh? Did I miss something?"

>>1105767

Why is plumbing important when there's the poop deck?

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>>1097738
>>1098295
>>1098694
>>1101034
>>1101574

>>1095891
You may not want to watch it, but that has nothing to do with being a complete faggot and crying about muh worksafe space

this thread was filled with many valuable lessons

>>1106160
> 3. You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.

http://www.4chan.org/rules

You aren't on the wild west of the Internet, you cringey faggot

>>1106181
Industrial accidents are not comparable to guro. Quit browsing 4chan while you're at work you lazy shit.

>>1106064
Absolute dumb fucking idiot, buy electronics at a dollar store then come to 4chan to complain about their quality. Reevaluate your life or just head back to /b/

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>>1106184
DIY, where industrial accident is you!

>>1106187
>being this assdevastated
Kek. I said I didn't expect it to be 16gb, for obvious reasons. I also didn't expect it to be 1. It's like buying a cheap Chinese HDD and expecting there to be a flash drive glued inside, but only finding a floppy disk rattling around.

>>1106184
Watching someone get squeezed like a toothpaste tube isn't gore? Watching a 3000+ pound forklift crush then smear a person across the ground isn't gore? Watching a guy break every bone in his body as he's pulled through a lathe isn't gore? Watching 5+ people getting pulverized and incinerated by a truck isn't gore?

It's true that these are mild compared to some of the shit that gets posted on /b/ as chemo but that doesn't mean we should pollute our board with it just because we are edgy retards. I come to this board because i genuinely like discussing the love of making with other people who share that interest, if i wanted watch people die i would go to /gif/ or /b/

The real question is why do you want to shit where you eat?

>>1106393
>The real question is why do you want to shit where you eat?
The real question is why you consider it to be shitting in the first place? If you want your safe space, go on a DIY forum populated by 60 year old tradesmen. This is 4chan, and industrial accidents (especially lathe-related) are very much on-topic for a board concerned with small-scale industrial projects.

>>1106393
GURO ≠ GORE

FUCKING FUCK NEWFAGFUCKERSFUCK

QUIT BEING TWAT

Did I break the indecipherable text rule just now?

>>1095717
>there are creative people
I could use creative people.
I'm wondering how I'd find them. Presume I'd learn mandarin to a passable degree. How would I find and sponsor some smart dude or dudette?

>>1096103
>>1095319
God I'm just happy they died quick.
Can you imagine the life of someone with permanent damage of a workplace injury in China?

>>1099559
>the video about a Chinese girl coming to the dudes house at night and making a big fuss
Scary
>the video where this guys friend stole his bike
I don't get it. Friends help each other. If he needed money in some way he could have just asked right? Whatever he pawned the bike for isn't enough to justify losing a friend that can afford to buy the bike clearly.

>>1101716
God I remember these. Where were they from? I'm assuming I must have seen a repost but I remember looking up the source site and it was golden. It had many spins on this.

>>1106393
What you're talking about is gore.
Guro, my friend, is rather different.
Perhaps look it up sometime?
I recommend "Decapitation and beheading ceremony" by Juan Gotoh as a nice little introductory piece.

>>1104503
>will see declining sales if prices are too high

In systems with high economic barriers to entry, you get monopolistic pricing. The price is set to provide the highest profit, not at the marginal cost of producing another unit (as it would with a perfectly competitive system)
post-scarcity without some intervention to lower pricing will tend to result in megacorps deciding to price things at whatever rate they would like.

Some examples in todays economy are the effective monopoly on perscription glasses (marginal cost estimated <$20, priced at what people are willing to pay), text messaging plans being priced at $20/month when it is effectively free because it's so hard to startup in Telecom and the established companies have an oligarchical pricing agreement, etc.
Prices are always somewhere between how much it cost me to make it, and how much it would cost you to get a replacement from elsewhere.
There's no guarantee there wouldn't be the same kind of asshole patent trolling that Turing Pharmeceuticals is doing. Buy up the one factory that automates one particular thing, raise the price 50x, enjoy profit until someone gets fed up and spends 5 years building a factory to compete with you, lower price for 1 year to bankrupt second factory, repeat.

Same reason why the US got a hard on for anti-trust in the 30s watching oil barons, steel barons and train barons do the same shit. (again, which only works if it costs a lot to try to compete with them. when we get into cheap enough post-scarcity, where 90% of products are 3d printed at home, including replacement 3d printers...)

>>1106474
http://www.dontevenreply.com/index.php

>>1106524
>so hard to startup in Telecom
This is precisely because of regulation and government intervention. You can't just slap a tower and some dishes on someone's building and offer telephone service on any open frequency, you need to buy a frequency range from the government monopoly, while bidding against multibillion dollar companies. This means only the wealthiest companies can afford to start up fresh service.

>oil barons
Standard Oil, being the typical example of a monopoly (which it wasn't even), literally did no predatory pricing in its history. The price of oil per gallon went down steadily as their market share went up. By the time they were broken up in 1911, they only had 64% of the market and the price of kerosene had dropped from 57c/ga to 7c/ga. If Standard didn't have monopolistic pricing, who did?

The robber baron bogeyman was a meme created by socialists in order to expand the state and cripple capitalism. And unfortunately, it did cripple capitalism by expanding the power of the state and turning it into cronyism.

>>1106503
I just read the whole thing.
Why would someone spend the time on making this?

>>1106601
because some people are fucked up

>>1106601
Why do people make anything? You're on DIY, you should know the answer already.

>>1106601
>I just read the whole thing.
He actually did it lol
You seem a lot quieter now, heh.

>>1104329
more like
> X is non-compatible with non-X
> X refuses to recognise fundamental failings of X
> X blames poor outcomes of X on non-X
> X kills non-X as scapegoat
> X cannot be reasoned with
> X will continue to scapegoat and kill non-X until X collapses.

the question is: how much non-X must suffer before X fails, and do you risk yourself falling to X and going down with them?

>>1099532
This is correct. Before the state capitalism however, there was communism, and somehow China was actually shitty.

>>1106568
Standard Oil could sell oil cheaper than its competitors while still making a profit. He also absolutely used shady practices to eliminate comptetition
>Sometimes the technique was as simple as buying up all the oil barrels and causing a shortage that crippled smaller companies.
>Another technique was to orchestrate price wars between wholly owned subsidiaries, thus forcing holdouts to sell at a loss to compete.
>A more complex technique involved limiting the number of trains available for shipment by using his close relationship with the railroad companies.
>Yet another option was purchasing all the equipment and equipment suppliers and refusing to sell replacement parts to holdouts."

I didn't say monopolistic pricing was predatory pricing, I just said that technological efficiency doesn't necessarily mean that lower costs will entirely be passed on to the consumer, especially if you're postulating massive capital investments. My point was that there are examples of companies investing in technology and setting the price slightly cheaper than anyone else could compete with (but not at cost).

So it's ridiculous to say that if someone could manufacture, say, knives for free, that they would give them away. They would set a price that would get them the biggest number with the formula PriceXCustomers. so $0X1billion vs $1X100million vs $5X50million, the company will charge $5.

>>1106568
... I was talking about the infrastructure costs of laying cable for networks, because in the absence of government regulation forcing them to, the telecoms wouldn't/don't let new companies connect to their systems.

Look at the wholeintDSL pricing thing. Or heck, look at hoe much cheaper internet is in England because there was government intervention, that forced telecoms to allow smaller firms to lease space and resell it. you can get internet for as little as $6/month.

>>1108018
>could sell oil cheaper than its competitors while still making a profit
This is a bad thing?

>They would set a price that would get them the biggest number with the formula PriceXCustomers
And what happens when 99% of his former client base can no longer afford his knives because they are unemployable through automation? And when no human input is ever required in the production chain (including planning, design, and construction of capital)?

>hoe much cheaper internet is in England because there was government intervention, that forced telecoms to allow smaller firms to lease space and resell it.
I'm a leaf, and our government did exactly the same. We have one of the highest-priced telecom systems in the Western world. $60/mo gets you 25/5 internet, or 2gb of mobile data.

>>1101717
I want to see a video of this firing.

>>1094899
This is a good /diy/ on how to get shot.

>>1106744
That wasn't me, i started arguing in different threads and put this one on the back burner. I read that beheading ceremony back in 08 when it was a common thing on /b/

I also remember when /g/ wasn't the tech board.

That doesn't mean gore belongs here

Do you know why they got rid of the old /g/? Because people posted so much irl gore there and loli gore

Those things don't belong on this board

Its not that "you're a pussy if you don't want to watch someone die" it's a "we come here to discuss making, not to watch people die"

I've seen the work safety videos, i don't like watching the work safety videos, why the fuck would I want to watch them in my leisure time

>>1106181

quit embarrassing yourself

>>1108573
No you

>>1108569
>I've seen the work safety videos, i don't like watching the work safety videos, why the fuck would I want to watch them in my leisure time
Is anyone making you watch them?

>>1104422
>Every communist attempt has been squashed immediately
you're full of shit
t. eastern euro