i bet the jews did this

>>1080371
I wish everything was torx.
They are great

>>1080371
Well jews are mostly highly educated and knowing that probaby make up a good portion of engineers as such. Star shaped provides more surface area.

Never did it myself but I wouldn't be surprised if torqx used the golden ratio.

>>1080371
So what, just use a regular jewdriver

>>1080383
you don't need surface area. you need cam effect.
That's why hex and square are the best of the best.

Torx weren't design for humans, the were design for machines, so automatic machines can pick and screw screws easyer without breaking them

Robertson, Standar and Hex are less prone to round if you don't use the correct size driver.

a torx can be destroyed if the tolerances of the driver are close enought to the screw. So if the screw and or the driver are cheap quality, the don't work.
Just use Standar, hex, JIS, or robertson. Get over Torx and torx plus and all those fucking made out standars

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>>1080429
hex is shit

>Not buying pigfat murican phillips head so next person to work on project cusses you once driver starts camming out

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>>1080433

>>1080449
nice argument

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>>1080371
>current year
>not using the Aryan slot

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>fancy jew nails

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>>1080433
square head sucks donkey dick and your mother hairy asshole

strips quicker than you sister with a sip of beer in her

torx or hex are bet

>>1080429

It's either Torx, getting Pozzi'd or paying out the ass here. So Torx it is.

>>1080371
anything that prevents cam-out is good in my book,

but the jews should still burn in an oven for various other offenses.

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metric hex is the only good fastener

thank fuck globalization will kill imperial completly but its taking a bit longer than i hoped

>>1080519
> 2016
> importing industrial stuff from all over the world
> including from various decent American companies
> still haven't needed to deal with imperial sizes
we're almost there

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My 90s ford shitbox had a near equal mix of metric and imperial bolts. Most of the metric ones were mangled because apparently the guy that owned it before me only had 'merican wrenches.

Allen key all day erry day

Around here it is nearly impossible to get anything other than torx, in the beginning I was mad but after a few projects with them I am in love. Goodbye philips screws

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>>1080371
kekd

>>1080429

>standar

Whats that?

Did you mean standard? If so what is standard?

>>1080383
Average jew iq is high, but peak Asians trump the world

>>1080662
allen keys are trash because of how close imperial and metric are

>>1080482
i bet the asians did this

>>1080380
Torx is absolute fucking trash. I can't tell you the number of times I've tried to tighten or loosen a Torx screw and have the divets on the screwhead or my driver break.

>>1080716
>not being able to visually tell the difference between metric and imperial screws by caps alone

unbolts something once every 2 weeks

>>1080784
torx are easy to strip. for example a torx head can be E25 and a E27 can also fit over it just fine. you'll feel it grab but little do we know its being stripped. german cars use a lot of torx. i hated having to buy TORX everything when i worked at a mercedes dealership as a mechanic

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>>1080489
Canuck here.

>strips quicker than you sister with a sip of beer in her

This.

I don't fucking get why everyone says square is the absolute mother-fucking shit. Sure, if you use the correct, specific, factory-fresh bit/driver and screw, it works absolutely perfectly. But what the fuck doesn't?

Personally, I have never rounded/stripped/flattened nor even seen a flat-head screw/bolt in such condition. Based on the shape of the slot, the only better hole to apply torsion and downward pressure would be something roughly S-shaped. The way I see it, a square is closer to a circle than a line. The closer the shape of the slot is to a circle, the easier it will be to round out due to the smaller and softer stress points of the screw/bolt head. Like, a hexagon works fine, but how well could you imagine a decagon-shaped slot working out for you? Theoretically, a triangle should work even better than the square or line if the flat-head slot is as shitty as everyone says.

>>1080371
I can see that being inspired by the Star of David.

>>1080786
Several caps come in both metric and imperial

>>1080845
they kinda do but you can still tell the difference

>>1080792
>. The closer the shape of the slot is to a circle, the easier it will be to round out due to the smaller and softer stress points of the screw/bolt head

the problem with going further away from a circle , ie the S shaped , or the triangle shaped, the less positions you have to engage it with the mating tool
with a hex, i have 6 different positions my wrench or allen key can be in

with a triangle, my triangle key only has 3 positions, making it more difficult to use in more compact application where you do not have a direct line to the screw (not building a deck)

>>1080872
that's why you go for something star shaped like torx
S shape and six positions at the same time

>>1080872
Assuming the same cap profile, the only way to tell is from the size of the hex sockets, which are extremely close in size from metric to imperial.

>>1080489
Just wondering, how god damn retarded do you have to be to strip a square head screw?

>>1080692
Standard a.k.a. Slotted
>>1080492
Pozidriv is barely better than Regular Phillips, but i still prefer it over torx.

Today someone gift me this fucking security torx


>>1080519
I won't take much more, most tools are already built with metric fasteners.
And Lathes are now using Metric Lead Screws

>>1080383
>good portion of engineers
No, try finances and law. Also fuck your fluid mechanics.

>strips quicker than you sister with a sip of beer in her

kek. also fuck torx

>>1080471
Square heads aren't Canadian.

Robertsons are Canadian, and yes there's a significant difference.

>>1080488
>88
HH

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Aircraft mech here, we use nazi bits all the time. Torq-set is the actual name.

>>1081161
yes, robertson are tappered square, and square is a squared square

>>1081196
Wrong. Tri wing is more common.

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>not using pentalobe screws

>>1081335
Not everyone works for the IJN

>>1080449
Ive stripped 10 times more hex screws than torx. Try doing 300 - 400 screws a day in hard wood panels and youll never look back. Only disadvantage is rust make them more vulnerable easier...

>>1080380
This. Fuck phillips heads in the ass.

>>1082264
i hate flat heads even more

Torx is the best
t. someone who worked in construction for 10 years.

>>1081961
Stainless yo

>>1081196
What are the advantages to these?
Also, fuck square head

>>1082646
when you strip out that stupid shit, cut a slot across it and use your magic flat head to fastener

please remember that wood screws are not real screws and deck builders dont know shit about real screws


hex life

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>>1080383

>>1080371
fug
I never notice this in my screwdriver, I actually never saw a torx screw except one in my car panels and was a shitty one

>>1080787
>german cars use a lot of torx
>germans
>germans using the star-of-david screw

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The Jews did this.

>>1084664
I remember back in my junior high school days, before the internet really got big, I purchased a set of these screwdriver bits from eBay and I completely disassembled the bathrooms, multiple times. They never caught me and eventually just riveted the stalls and doors instead of screws

>>1084701
why couldn't you just poop in the toilet normally like very other kid

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>not knowing circles are the only shape immune to rounding

>>1080371
I just bought a Jeep Rengo and it's all Torx to remove doors and top and what not.

>>1081335
>I sell cheap Chinese crap to morons
>i use this screw to keep them from fixing the garbage that i sell so they have to buy more

No one likes you.

>>1084706

You should see the chuck on some grinders. Circles end up oval and then with a grade so the tool slips out

Nails>all screws

>>1084825
Until you are renovating or updating our doing literally any kind of work around them. Then it's tearout or nothing at all

>>1080371
can we all agree that philips are the worst ever?
also slotted are very bad

square, robertson, and torx are incredible.

fuck vw and their 30 pointed star whatever the fuck it is

>>1084620
white guilt?
NEVAR FORGET?


>>1084802
asian and american are mostly HEX head. i guess they use TORX in a few places so people cant touch it because not everybody has TORX set tools. germans are all TORX maybe a few HEX here and there but mostly TORX. some are even 12 point head bolts

>>1084860
i kinda like torx because not everybody has torx tools

>>1080383
Jews suck at engineering lol

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>>1080371
i see your jew screw and challenge you with a Swastika screw.

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lol

>>1080371
It strips really easy. So does Phillips. So does everything that isn't flathead masterrace.

When you strip a screw, you are essentially making it's pattern a circle. A circle has the most sides of any shape. Therefore, the more sides your pattern has, the closer it is to a circle, or stripped.

>>1081795
>IJN
Imperial Japanese Navy?

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I rate torx, tough as, you'll strip the thread before you do the head, or snap if it's stainless..

I also use these, don't know if theyre specific to the brand I buy but you can use square or phillips if you have to, and every pack comes with a bit

>>1085813
have you ever used the correct bit? I've never stripped a torx screw, I've stripped cheap ass bits in torx screws, but never the screw, as long as it's not full of dust and gunk and you're using the correct size bit they are great

>>1085165
they use hex

everyone uses hex. on anything holding anything together , no matter what country, they will be using hex

torx is only used in applications where shit doesnt matter, such as interior panels. torx so that they dont crack, potentially for assembly of electronic modules
but otherwise, every automaker assembly their car with
metric hex
globalization did nothing wrong

>>1086011
but germans use TORX. when i used to work at a MB dealership all of their cars used TORX. only a few bolts were HEX like the drain plug bolt and under panel screws.

>>1085813
but anon a circle has the least sides

it has 1

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>>1085755
For use with white power tools

>>1080784
>>1080787
You're probably using the wrong size. That's the ONLY time I've had torx strip on me. Honestly that's probably the only down side to torx; it's easy to feel like you have the right size but don't. I usually keep trying larger and larger bits until it doesn't fit anymore. This seems to work well for me.

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Behold! For I am the one who the prophets spoke about!

>>1086476
Start with the biggest size you have and work downwards. When you get to one that fits throw it away and use the next size up.

>>1086248
my mom had several MB, ive never noticed them using an abnormal amount of screws, and as a general mechanic, i was able to work on a lot of different german cars,
none of which use torx for anything structural
because that would be retarded

>>1086476
one of the reasons torx is trash

the circumscribed diameter of 1 size to small torx bit, it large enough that it will strip the bolt

every other head will strip from wrong size


except based metric hex
you cannot strip a metric hex by using the wrong size metric allen key

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>>1086501

Just google image search for mercedes benz torx.

>>1086505
which is pretty funny to search
anything electronic and interior trim related is no surprise to have torx

but external torx are not nearly as bad as internal torx

DIN spec on an M8 bolt is 12mm bolt head
ISO/JIS spec on an M8 bolt head is 13mm

fucking germans

>>1086508
>DIN spec on an M8 bolt is 12mm bolt head
except it's not

>>1086505
Car bolts are the DRM of the motor industry
>Official dealership
Have the tooling specific for your car and charge you fuck you in the ass rates
>Local repair shop
Will brute force those shits off for cheaper

>>1080489
Who cares if you strip it. Then use the circle screwdriver.

>>1085863
It looks like the Imperial Chrysanthemum

>>1086517
your right, what an error
JIS is 12
DIN13
ISO 13

Why the fuck are you guys talking like having a torx driver is a few inches short of reaching nirvana?

I have like 3 different sets of torx screwdrivers of various makes....

>>1086975
no, proprietary ecus and computerizing literally everything is the drm of the automotive industry

>>1080658
it probably came with all metric, but previous owner replaced how he thought best
I had a 1969 TR-6 (british leyland product). they did indeed use imperial and metric, and with no rime or reason on when things were changed.

>anon "hello british car parts place, i need a fuel pump for a 69 triumph"
>"oh.. well the used three different fuel pumps in that year... and they are not interchangable"

Ill tell you right now, Volkswagen is the queen of DRM, if were going on this standard.

The quality of the machining matters way more than the type of head.

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>>1080489
>strips quicker than you sister with a sip of beer in her
We use square ones at work only.
And it doesn't need any fucking magnets to hold screw in place.
Pic related, You can pierce metals at 30 angle, and bolt stays in the head.

i own a TJ, the thing is covered in torx.

not let me ask, if torx are so great why does the differential full plugs use a Robertson square bit?

i'm too cheap to go out and buy the correct square bit to fit the plugs mind you, i just use a ratchet extension.

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>>1089538
Could be a myriad of reasons. Most likely though, is that there's no need to bother with a new head when they have a simple square one which is cheap to make and works just fine. Moneymoneymoneymoney is the driving force, especially with cars

I had a (yuropean model, not 'murican) 1997 bmw and the only torx screws I can remember were the ones holding the front hood latch/springs, which is understandable (springs help support the front of the long, heavy hood, and the latch prevents it from flipping open at highway speed when not properly closed, a lot of clamping force required from those). There's probably a few more I will remember later, but I can tell you that the differential, transmission, oil pan, and 99% of the stuff used hex (or robertson, for the transmission), just like the Chevy, Toyota, and Suzuki we have

Anywho, like I said, it likely has to do with dem jewgolds somehow. Probably not wanting to make them out of stainless just to prevent rust from ruining the delicate torx shape, or maybe it's too dirty an environment to make it practical (same reason, complicated shape). Or perhaps transmission and differential (diff carriers?) manufacturers simply stick to the status quo of the good ole robertson, because it just works

>>1080371

>implying the most frustrating fastener isn't the security torx

literally 40 dollars to open any electronic device, for no reason other than jewery

>>1089538
>not let me ask, if torx are so great why does the differential full plugs use a Robertson square bit?

thats because it is for a ratchet extension
3/8 and 1/2 robertson is not a thing

>>1080482

I'm a locksmith and used to do residential work. Any house built pre-1950 that hasn't had its doors or locks updated has standard slot wood screws in every single hinge and every single mortise lock (including escutcheon).

Fuck these screws so goddamn much. They are trash.

>>1089824
I've bought an entire security torx set for about $8 US.

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wood screws are not real screws
allen all day erry day nigga

>>1080371
Actually it was made by the Nazis.
They ironically used them in gas chamber construction.

>>1080380
Yes

>>1080784
Cant think of a single time I stripped a torx head.

>>1080792
> if you use the correct factory fresh bit driver and screw
Thats why they give you a bit with the box of screws. How is the screw to blame for your shit quality means of driving screws? It's almost as if you weren't such a jew you wouldn't have a problem with OP's jewscrew.

>>1085880
These are by far the best all sound screws

>>1084860
Friendly reminder from a canuck that you have to use a robertson driver with a robertson screw and a square driver with square screws for best results. The difference is subtle, yet significant. Mixing of the two may produce terrible wobble.

>>1080433
i can't believe how angry i'm getting at everyone calling this 'square'

i have no idea why i care, but it's 'Robertson' you knobs.

>>1090784
>>>/reddit/

>>1080482
Tyrone gon be in usin yo lil sis aryan slot, booiiiii

But seriously, fuck these screws

>>1080690

Oh look, the first person to actually get the joke.

Former BMW tech here.

I dunno why so many people seem to hate Torx. Yeah, you have to have specific drivers for each size, but that's not really a big deal in my eyes. They rarely strip unless they're shit quality, and they stick on the end of the driver when you need to put a screw up inside a trim piece or whatever to screw it back in. They're also much better for use with ratchets, torque wrenches, and power tools.

Fuck outside torx or whatever they're called, though. I'm sure they're great when brand new, but after a few years the corners round off and the flutes fill with grime and corrosion, and then you can't get a socket to sit right on them. BMW uses that shit on all kinds of undercar parts, like axle and driveshaft connections, exhaust flanges, and the bolts that hold subframes to the unibody. They make any job involving them much more of a pain in the ass than it needs to be.

>>1080433
Its a diamond tho

>>1091586
plz be bait

>>1086505
>not using an impact driver with the correct bit, seriously that would have cost <30$ for the proper tools to not strip the fuck out of it.

>>1089924
>I'm a locksmith

Nice mate, do you enjoy it? Any stories?

>>1089926
Good lad

>>1080792
I don't like flathead screws because it point-loads two small portions on the base of the screw-head. Depending on the manufacturing quality of the steel, those points may be corroded or otherwise weakened over time. With Phillips heads, you are spreading that stress to another two points on the screw head, essentially halving the shear factor. This shear factor is especially important when using impact drivers, they snap screw-heads off all the time.

Again, it depends on the quality of your screw/bit/material extracting from/etc.

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>>1080371

>>1080433
A fucking leaf