>TI tools Are they an overpriced gimmick?

>>1076744
they are not overpriced because the material itself is expensive, gimmick depends on if you really need the added strength supposedly.

>are expensive tools overbuilt for the job overpriced gimmick?

it is really a personal choice, but op i suggest you go swing a normal hammer to start with

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>>1076744
Yes. In fact, most new tools are gimmicky shit. I prefer old tools. Pic related.

>>1076754
what's your trade? what do you need the spike for?

>>1076754

Nice pitana on all of them

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>>1076744
>Are they an overpriced gimmick?
Titanium
Hammer

Wait...
The whole point of a hammer is that is has a fair amount of mass.
The point of titanium is it has less mass than steel.

What am I missing?

>>1076759
I'm a guitar and amp tech. I have no idea what the intended use of the spike is. It was in amongst some of my great grandfather's tools. This stuff will actually be coming home with me for little projects around the house.

>>1076762
Thanks! Most of them were pretty rusty when I got them. I used a mineral oil based electronics lubricant and a wire brush to clean them up. Worked like a charm. The rust came right off and the patina stayed.

One of my next projects will be making handles for the two hammers.

>>1076771
Absorbs vibration, apparently.

>>1076776
>>1076759
Spike is for setting finish nails. You drive them with a normal hammer, then use the nail set to drive it below the surface so you can fill the hole.

>>1076777
>Absorbs vibration, apparently.
How is that going to do any good if you have to swing the hammer twice as much because it doesn't have enough mass in the head to drop the nail on the first swing? The whole point of heavier hammers is to get the job done in less swings. Can I take a brick wall down with a 16oz hammer? Sure, but it'll take a couple days, while a 8lb sledge will get it done in less than half a day. I'll keep swinging my 22oz, you can use that lightweight 15oz if you can't lift more.

>>1076744
Everyone on my crew but me has one. If you're going to be swinging a hammer all day every day it is 100% worth it.

>>1076771
Its strange but trust me. Ive used then before and they hit alot harder than you think. Its like using a 28 oz hammer but its lighter

>>1076744

>higher cost
>lower mass
>more brittle

Maybe it's a good thing in wrenches or something, but it seem pants on head retarded for a hammer.

>>1076754
>>1076776
>It was in amongst some of my great grandfather's tools.

Judging by the tools your grandpa was some kind of tinsmith/sheet metal worker? My grandpa was and he used his spike both as a punch and the line up holes.

>>1076777
>Spike is for setting finish nails.

The nose is way too broad for setting finishing nails, it could be a river punch or similar though.

>>1076777
That's not a nail set, it's freaking huge. Looks like a marlin spike for rope work.

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>>1076744
>Are they an overpriced gimmick?
The only legit use for titanium tools I've ever heard of is for MRI machines because titainum is non-magnetic...

MRI machines have two ~1000-lb rare-earth magnets in them. If you hold something steel and walk towards an MRI machine, you can feel it begin to "pull" at about 12 feet away. So you cannot use any ferrous tools at all.

If you're a tool snob, MRI tools make Snap-on look practically disposable (this pic just shows the wrenches... the "normal" 3/8ths sockets cost from $175 to $275 each, if you were wondering).
There is a ball-pein hammer on that site for $525, but it only has a metal head. The handle is still normal wood.

I dunno WTF that thing you posted is supposed to be for.

>>1076754
For the most part, I agree, except for cutting pliers. It's very hard to find older pliers that still cut decently. While I don't like how manufacturing and forging standards have dipped throughout the industry, there's just no option for me besides buying new side-cutters and wire strippers when mine are worn out. Same goes for screwdrivers.

Pipe wrenches and adjustable pliers are a similar issue, only because it's hard to find ones with teeth in good condition. I'm fortunate enough to have a nice, old pipe wrench a a nice, old pair of adjustable pliers. But it took some time looking through flea markets and garage sales to get them. Many people, sadly, just don't take good care of their tools.

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>>1076807
>tinsmith/sheet metal worker
He had one of the very first Maytag dealerships after the washing machine was invented. Pic related

>>1076754
AESTHETIC

>>1076759
My first thought was drift pin for steel erection but with the rectangular tapered end it could be some really strange sort of broach.

>>1076744
>Gimmick

Absolutely. Why on earth framers aren't using nail guns 99% of the time is beyond me and that 1% doesn't warrant a hammer at this cost. People are obviously buying them though so perhaps there are a lot of brain dead people in the world.

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>>1076759
>big spike
is a spud, used by iron workers, these days they have a wrench or ratchet on the end instead of a ball.
>yfw erection wrench

>>1076771
less mass and more velocity means more kinetic energy

>>1076843
>less mass and more velocity means more kinetic energy
Yes and no; energy is mass multiplied by velocity. Its why a heavier object moving slower can still have more energy than a light object moving faster.

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>>1076843
>less mass and more velocity means more kinetic energy
Then you could just use a lighter steel hammer for the same effect.

>>1076803
>. Ive used then before and they hit alot harder than you think. Its like using a 28 oz hammer but its lighter
Sounds like placebo effect.

>>1076847
Almost, velocity is more important, is square, kinectic energy = mass x velocity ^ 2, so if you double the mass double the energy, if double the velocity, cudruple the energy

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>>1076744
1. its hype shit(teleshoping shit)
2. its special purpose or specific use(whitch you are to dumb to understand or dont know how to use it)

>>1076762
patina mang. Maybe you are dyslexic

>>1076807
>>1076811
Oh wow I'm blind. Totally missed the bigass spike at the bottom.

>>1076771
A super of mine has a titanium hammer.

It works just as good as my foreman and I's steel hammers, if not better because the lighter weight allows better control and less fatigue.

Honestly the Ti-bone 2 hammer is pretty over priced, they make a wood handle one at half the price thats even better.

It sounds like most people in here don't use their hammers 8 hours a day. I've used both steel and titanium, titanium is just a lot easier on the arms/wrists. You have to get used to swinging it faster than steel though.

>>1076771
>What am I missing?
Titanium absorbs impacts better than steel, so less of the energy goes into the hammer bouncing back, meaning more of it goes into driving the nail. Plus, lighter and softer impacts on your hands make it less tiring to use.

>>1077165
Me again, the difference in energy going into the nail is actually fairly significant, something like 10-30% I think? That's why Ti hammers can be so much lighter. Plus, swinging harder to compensate for lack of weight is less tiring, which matters if the nail isn't being driven downward. Driving a nail downward, yeah, just drop the hammer on it and let the weight do the work.

>>1076812
Can't they just make aluminum tools?

>>1076744
Titanium is really only useful in applications where temperature fluctuations are extreme and sudden. Steel and aluminum develop structural micro-fractures when exposed to wild temperature swings, titanium does not.

Hammers, saw blades, ratchets - steel.
Jack stands, project casings, hydraulic lifts - aluminum.
Kiln tongs, cooling racks, heat sinks - titanium.

>>1076746
>they are not overpriced because the material itself is expensive
No it isn't. It's difficult to work with but titanium is not an inherently expensive or rare material.

>>1077232
Not straight aluminum, you'd need aluminum brass, but they're still a lot softer than titanium.

>>1077325
It is expensive, though. At least until the Cambridge Process's patent expires later this year and everyone can start producing it more efficiently than with the Kroll Process.

>>1077169
Not really how it works. Heavier hammer doesn't have to be swung harder to get the job done better, as resistance is out matched. While the lighter hammer is easier to lift, takes more energy to swing for speed, and will not produce the same result. I can half drive a nail just by dropping my steel 22oz hammer. A little force, and the nail is driven on one swing.

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Not overpriced if you plan on working in a room with one of these guys...

>>1076857
That's just incorrect.

>>1076847
>>1077537

No, it isn't.

Kinetic energy isn't mass*velocity.

It's mass(velocity^2). A doubling of velocity will result in a quadrupling of the kinetic energy, whereas a doubling of mass will result in a simple, linear doubling of kinetic energy.


That's not to say that a titanium hammer is better, or some stupid shit. If you need a lighter hammer...you just use a lighter hammer. There's no reason it has to be titanium. Hammers are categorized by weight because certain hammering tasks have generally accepted "good" weights. Doesn't matter if it's tool steel, titanium, or a potato with a metal face.

Steel is a lot stronger than titanium so I dunno. Maybe in very corrosive environments it would be worth it.

Why exactly are titanium tools so expensive anyway?

>>1076812
Don't Neodymium magnets relieve most of their field when they're powered down?

>>1077549
MRI magnets are generally superconducting liquid Helium, so it's inconvenient to turn them off.

>>1077334
8000 series aluminum has tensile properties equal to mild steels. T6 hardening and anodizing would harden it significantly as well. You can definitely make a ratcheting wrench from one. Additionally you can make titanium tipped aluminum tools that would be non magnetic which could easily cut costs significantly for non magnetic applications

Makes no fucking sense to spend that much on tools

>>1077545
They are used in applications you can't use magnetic tools

Titanium is a much much rarer metal as well

Additionally when heated up in an environment with oxygen titanium catches on fire so they do the casting for titanium in an argon atmosphere

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>>1077545
Titanium is much stronger than steel

>>1077555
>tensile strength=/=hardness

>>1076754
my kind of porn
that's a badass wrench

>>1076821
You have any old gas powered washing machine motors? Those things are awesome. Had a friend who put one on his bicycle back in the 50s

>>1077606
That's why I mentioned t6 hardening send annodizing

>>1077668
And*

>>1077552

Like $6000 type inconvenient? Because if a 1/4" titanium ratchet costs $700 imagine the rest of the toolkit

>>1077324

>jack stands
>lifts
>aluminium

See you at your funeral.

>>1077606

Hardness does not mean strength either. Glass is hard but brittle

>>1077513

Depends what you consider cheap. MRI safe hammers can be had for under $100 from medial/MRI supply companies

>>1077717
You're talking about machines that cost upward of £250000. The cost isn't relevant in maintaining them.

I worked in a new build hospital some years back and 4 new Philips MRI scanners delivered from Germany and assembled by their own team cost the NHS £3million. The price of those tools is like pissing in the ocean in comparison.

>>1076744
My old boss had a similar hammer, but his was yellow handled, looks almost the same, I had a random 20oz claw hammer. I'm 6'6 he's like 5'5 and we each took a 3" spike on a log and hit it, his all the way in first strike, mine was like bitchmade 3/4 in lol. His meme hammer was like $300

I've also heard the milled face on titanium hammers don't wear out so fast either. I'd say the best hammer is the one you're comfortable with.

>>1077727
In materials science and metallurgy, toughness is the ability of a material to absorb energy and plastically deform without fracturing. It is also defined as a material's resistance to fracture when stressed.

Toughness requires a balance of strength and ductility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toughness

Things that take impacts like hammers need to be tough.

>>1077727
Yeah, but aluminum, and most of its alloys, is far to soft to be used as a wrench material. And anodizing only does so much.

>>1077721
aluminum jack stands:
http://www.uniquetruck.com/p-25729-3-ton-aluminum-jack-stands.aspx?affiliateID=10056&gclid=CICY1ID7hdACFUJbhgodrE4I8Q

aluminum motorcycle lift:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/262520637108?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmtid%253D1588%2526kwid%253D1%2526crlp%253D110544638049_324272%2526itemid%253D262520637108%2526targetid%253D197635211529%2526rpc%253D0.14%2526rpc_upld_id%253D87635%2526device%253Dt%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252Flike%25252F262520637108%25253Flpid%25253D82%252526chn%25253Dps%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9003978%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D623566768%2526adgroupid%253D32762313249%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-197635211529%2526gclid%253DCLit4Pz7hdACFYUehgodUVMKPA%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1117405989577&ul_noapp=true

But hey, what do I know - right?

>>1076777
Well the little spike is for finish nails, the big one across the bottom is for sinking 50 penny landscaping nails...

>>1076836
Nail guns don't last too long if your using them to pound a board into place before spiking it... it's great to have a hammer for minor adjustments.

Also it's like everyone forgets f=m*a.... with a lighter hammer you can increase your a to make up for less m and your back hates you less because it's easier to carry around all damn day

>>1078268
more A isnt always attainable if you have the same pressure and flow rate. you would have to increase piston ratio and to do that you would need to make a larger and therefore more massive piston.

>>1078268


So what you're saying is you could have the cheapest hammer you could find and it would do the job

>>1077541
dont know if troll or just lazy.

E(kinetic) = 1/2 * mv^2.