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>>7378299

>>7378294
It's addiction to sexual fantasy from the male perspective similar to how Daoko Girl is from the female perspective. The internet addiction is a red herring that most people seem to have settled on after hearing it from some youtuber. Don't take my word for it though, think for yourself.

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>>7378301

>>7378316
I would agree that it is mostly a sexual fantasy / porn addiction, but there are more elements to the addiction than the porn, though it seems to take up most of the time of the video.

It starts by showing the room with gunpla. Then it shows anime figs on a shelf. And it also has a PC gaming section.

I think showing the layers of it is part of the reality of the addiction. Addiction is never that simple. It is layered and spreads to several parts of life.

He thinks he is beating the porn addiction with the gaming addiction but he's still in that world and cycles back and fails. Ultimately, he's in too deep and just needs to walk away from it all if he really wants to overcome.

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>>7378318

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>>7378339

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>>7378382

>>7378336
My pet theory is that he's trying to use all those things to try and forget about the break-up with his ex that he initiated, but that he regrets. This is part is probably a stretch: the dude was probably a virgin, but afraid of real female sexuality when confronted with it, and blames it not working out on her. Hence a realization and regret cycle.

>>7378294
Is it just me that found that video honestly really terrifying when you actually think about the real life implications of it?

Granted it is about Japan and Japan is on supposedly a on a whole other scary level when it comes to being a hikki and isolating yourself from the real world. But then again knowing what shit people need to put up with there I don't blame them.

>>7378407
That is an interesting take on it, but why make all the pornchicks look like variations of her?

>>7378580
Haven't really thought about that. Maybe it's an idealization of meek, sexy/cute and eager to please that appeals to a male sensibility? Something that one would expect out of a generic hentai, that the dude has probably been exposed to? Possibly serving as an opposing side of a coin that (that is probably equally mis-representative) aggressive, demanding and sexy/dominating persona. If this were the case, would likely lead to performance issues/anxiety. Maybe I should re-watch.

>>7378336
What I heard the consensus was that his porn addiction cost him his gf.
Why liking porn would lose you a gf, I do not know, ask japland, tis a silly place.

>>7378294
Surprised I haven't seen this until now. The video is strangely addicting and I was surprised with how deep it got. The music and animation are phenomenal. Now, if only there was more porn for it.

It feels wrong to make porn out of something with such an anti hedonistic message

>>7378733
if you liked it you'll probably like the "sequel" of sorts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEOfqJh8GvA

>>7378719
>What I heard the consensus was that his porn addiction cost him his gf.

I'm not convenienced he ever had a girlfriend. All of the women, with the toys being the exception are variations of the same person.

I think the gf stands for all real women. He is feeling conflict between choosing to go out to find a girlfriend and the instant gratification of porn. Her tears represent the possibility of failure and break up with a real woman.

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anyone know how to get gifs out of pixiv?

I need this aniamted mememe starscream for reasons

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>>7379198

>>7379150
I remember seeing somewhere that pixiv works like a slideshow, so it's a bunch of pictures instead of a gif. That's why you can't save it, whether that's true or not I don't know but I haven't found an easy to way to save them either.

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>>7379422

I have a hard time fapping to MEMEME characters since I just start thinking about how they're a metaphor for how destructive unchecked porn addiction can be and it kills my boner. Sucks though since blue hair is a fetish of mine.

>tfw you can't overcome porn addiction
>tfw you're back on /d/ again

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>>7379731
>>tfw you can't overcome porn addiction
>>tfw you're back on /d/ again

yeah, I wonder how many of us on /d/ have this problem.

Sadly, I kind of do.

I wonder how much guilt the director feels over the nerd culture of japan and the world? Maybe that is why the girls eat the young man? Because it is a predatory relationship.

They make this stuff as a job, but the best consumers are usually not living life to the fullest because of it.

>>7379064
Daoko Girl seems to imply that at some point he actually was in a relationship a real Hana, because Kami-sama actually sees them.

>>7379731
I'm not addicted, it's just that reality can't satisfy my fetishes and so there's no alternative to /d/.

The video is a PSA. Japan has a huge problem with birthrates. The message is, "please go out and breed. If you aren't, you aren't REALLY happy" when in fact, men are finding themselves more and more happy and content to not require women. Which for them, is healthy and fulfilling and great. Socially, for Japan, it's lethal.

>>7379816
>>7378336

>Because it is a predatory relationship.
(You)

Being a happy individual with hobbies is the epitome of healthy. The opposite of that is codependency where you require another person to validate you.

>>7379942
>Being a happy individual with hobbies is the epitome of healthy. The opposite of that is codependency where you require another person to validate you.

the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

>>7379368
It's a canvas element, so it can be even worse. Best case it's a bunch of pictures.
Worst case it's a bunch of javascript producing frames.

>>7379942
While any deep message that vid could have goes right over my head (dense as fuck when it comes to that shit), I do agree that most developped countries are about to hit the "oh shit" wall, where population birthrate is really, really bad and only immigration prevents demographics from plunging.
Some of them are already there, some are about to.

It's not like we have to care, since the only peeps that suffer from a decrease in global population are the fucking jackasses at the top who need billions of wage slaves to make more riches for them.

>>7379979
Trying to use another person to make you happy is a colossal mistake and generally ends up with BOTH people unhappy.

>>7380005
>Trying to use another person to make you happy is a colossal mistake and generally ends up with BOTH people unhappy.

as I said, the truth is somewhere in the middle. This is not a binary. The options are not A be a shut in that jacks off to web porn and plays fps all day and B being codependent.

It is possible to have hobbies and have a fulfilling relationship.

>>7380024

Correct, nor was this stated. It was in fact stated that another person will not make you happier.

>It is possible to have hobbies and have a fulfilling relationship.
It is possible to have hobbies and be happy, was the only statement. In fact, it's vital that you be happy with yourself before entering a relationship. Trying to enter a relationship to fix how you feel is a critical error, was the statement.

Not trying to enter a relationship as a self confident or happy actualized person.

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>>7380031
>It was in fact stated that another person will not make you happier.

Well, I should amend this. It can, but it can't fix you. If you're happy and self actualized, great.

If not, getting a g/f won't change that.

yall mother fuckers are killing me

Is this like porn kino? Because none of this stuff is going to stop me from fapping to it, but it's interesting as fuck to watch and think about.

Always makes me think about this too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luJJBeCFeM0

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>>7379641

>>7378644
o have the same line of thinking anon, MEMEME is a video that says "i am compansating for my regrets with porn and models and other generic NEET stuff and thats OK even though im stuck in an endless cycle" its what i do right now, sadly.................when i saw the girlfriend crying, and then the picture? omg i lost it...i had almost the same pic of me and my EX....i feel like ive turned into this guy, but in RL....this video is a warning.

>>7380335
I wouldn't put much stock in it. Might I also add this is from the same studio as Evangelion, "I wanted it to sound deep" Hideaki Anno. Japan has a problem with people making babies because they want to make you feel like you should put aside what makes you happy for the good of the nation. Literally: Propaganda.
>the video is a warning.
From a nation with a culture that puts people underneath and second to duty to the nation and to their job. Context is important here, and it's coming from a place where there's a word for suffering quietly (gaman) and it is shameful not to work yourself to death or to ever put yourself first.

What's becoming popular in Japan is going against their old generation and this video is backlash against the new generation. The old generation views the new as "selfish" for putting their own desires and happiness first. A deeply ingrained culture of shaming people for doing this. This video is literally from the the standpoint that it's better for a man to die literally working yourself to death than to ever indulge your own desires or happiness.


TL;DR
It's not commentary on American or Western geek culture. It's commentary from a dying way of life that seeks to lash out angrily at people who want a better life for themselves and people are buying into it because they think it's commentary on how geeks "aren't really happy," despite that they're making the best of their situation.

i love that part where she vomits in his face.

>>7378644
>an idealization of meek, sexy/cute and eager to please that appeals to a male sensibility?
This reads of such feminist rhetoric it's literally stomach turning.
Well done.

>>7380375
In point of fact, the name of the video should tip you off as to how it views "geek" and "neet" culture.

"MEMEME"
It literally is saying, "Well you're only thinking about yourself, aren't you It's all about 'me me me' with you isn't it?" It's a video paints the picture of putting yourself and ones own interests first as toxic.

It represents this, because the opposition is to put your country before yourself. To put other people before yourself. And I'm sorry. I know this sounds selfish, but if you do that, you will not be a healthy person. If you put women before you put yourself, you will have an extremely unhealthy view of yourself. You will have an unhealthy view of sex. And an unhealthy idealization of relationships.

This is something that would be great for Japan. Because their birthrate is so low that they are the first nation where they risk their population declining instead of increasing. They NEED people to glamorize relationship and make them seem like the most important thing is to get a wife and have kids or their economy and their government will be in serious trouble because there simply will not be enough people to support their industry, commerce and business. That is why Japan has been so economically viable for so long is because of the culture where people have had these values that they viewed anyone who didn't contribute and put their society and nation first as shameful, which was beneficial to them economically had a high suicide rate because it comes at a high personal cost to the individual. It's extremely demanding of the individual.

>>7380424

And it's not surprising that each person on an individual level is calling this bullshit.
This is the result. This is the death throes of a nation that demands its people give everything to their machine. When people have had enough en masse, the nation becomes desperate and this is the most desperate message it can send. A nation trying to shame people away from straying from self destructive behavior that gives only to the nation and never gives back.

"Stop thinking only of yourself" isn't a good message when your culture is, "give yourself to the nation, suffer quietly and expect nothing back."

>>7378294

>online porn is hollow

Not if you have good taste in fetishes and can find people who can actually draw

Losing attention to reality is your own fault

It's very possible to juggle both

>>7378294

>No Futa art of the girl pulling the viewer for a pov to suck her dick while she says "You will be addicted to serving ME!ME!ME! for the rest of your life!"

>>7379731

I'm not really addicted

But realistically there is no such thing as a girl with a dick

Just a dude who chose to be a girl

I come here specifically for fantasies that will never happen

Otherwise I have my life straight and I interract

4chan in general is addicting because you can have numerous conversations very easily without needing to find people who share the interest outside

It's more of a conveniance

>>7378294
>To me, it is a pretty accurate portrayal of internet addiction.
Clearly you haven't been here long.

>>7379979 >>7380024
>as I said, the truth is somewhere in the middle. This is not a binary.
You are technically correct that it's not a binary, and you're a fucking moron for believing it is a dichotomy-- being content by yourself and having a relationship are two completely independent things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation

>>7380377
I know, right ? Fucking diamonds.

>>7380435
i never knew how much i wanted this until now

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>>7381102

>>7379150
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Are orgasms for men as intense as depicted in hentai?

>>7381491
not usually

>>7380441
Are you me?

Same reason I like video games. Rather, ridiculous video games that don't try to be hyper realistic.

>>7380375
>The old generation views the new as "selfish" for putting their own desires and happiness first.

It is debatable if the lifestyle in the video is a happy one.

I would argue that a person can't be happy in complete selfishness and complete selflessness. People need elements of both.

>>7380375
>This video is literally from the the standpoint that it's better for a man to die literally working yourself to death than to ever indulge your own desires or happiness.

There is nothing in the video about work, getting married, or having children.

>>7378336
It's just about being a hikikomori/antisocial NEET in general, I think, internet and porn addiction both included. It's about a self-perpetuating, self-destructive lifestyle.

>>7381102
>>7381103
Well these( with a few changes) could be a horror movie or game or whatever

>>7378294
Actually the real take on it is that Anno hates anime. He's said for years anime is dying and changing into something he doesn't want it to. It's about the fact that most anime fans turn to 2D over real life breathing women. Everyone thought there was this deep meaning to mememe but in fact it's just Hideaki's hatred for the industry surfacing.

>>7382107
>Actually the real take on it is that Anno hates anime. He's said for years anime is dying and changing into something he doesn't want it to.

Don't most artists eventually hate commercial entertainment for similar reasons? John Kricfalusi won't shut the fuck up about how cartoons before him and after him were for hocking toys.

All these assholes want some vague pure kind of cartoon that is either for story or making kids happy or some shit. They all get pissed when the medium is used to sell things, be it toys or pillow cases with tits.

>>7382129

not the same anon but maybe (and im just spitballing here) artists think art should be appreciated for the hard work they put into it, the visuals/story they want to share, the characters they spend countless hours developing etc. instead of just being commodified into Toys 4 NEETS.

actual animations/comics aren't selling like they used to--which is largely where the creators get their paycheck. the merchandising dollars to my understanding just get absorbed right back into the corporate/merching side of things.

and lets be real if i had a successful anime/manga franchise i'd worked hard on and poured a lot of heart into and people only gave a fuck about it for the waifu content/licensed toys, i'd probably be pretty pissed off too. it's like writing a book only for people to talk about the cover kinda.

support official releases from animators u like guys :>

That video just depresses me. It makes me want to abuse Adderall. In fact I will.

I'm gonna find a job, a drug dealer, buy plenty Adderall, and just go ham at life.

>>7379857
sure, buddy. For a small test. Don't watch any kind of porn for 1 week. You'll fail on day 4.

>>7381989
Because that is part of Japanese culture. A side people often miss because it's romanticized. That is the cultural norm there. Read the whole post.

>>7382001
The creator wants you to believe it's self destructive and will depict it solely as self destructive because of the culture from which the piece comes from strongly tries to imply it's destructive as above. Because it is beneficial to the society, but not the individual.

>>7381986
Of course the video is going to depict it as unhappy, that is the point. To try to convince people they can't be "really" happy in such a lifestyle because if they do it's going to hurt them. The truth is that's mostly a lie told to dissuade more people from engaging in the lifestyle because the creator doesn't like it and adhere to the older Japanese cultural norms.

>>7382644
>The truth is that's mostly a lie told to dissuade more people from engaging in the lifestyle because the creator doesn't like it and adhere to the older Japanese cultural norms.

Is it a lie though? Is anyone really happy living in such a small apartment, spending their days and nights jacking off, building gunpla, and playing fps, alone?

Can a normal person be happy, spending most of there time alone?

I'm unconvinced that the warning of the elders is worthless, even if some of the elders have a vested interest in the creation of grandchildren.

>>7383555
>Is it a lie though?
It absolutely a lie.
>Is anyone really happy living in such a small apartment, spending their days and nights jacking off, building gunpla, and playing fps, alone?
Absolutely, unequivocally yes. And you are now begging the question, and on top of that, shifting the burden of proof. You haven't provided anything for me or anyone else to believe that it isn't possible, but insisted that I prove or other people prove that it is. I am rejecting your belief and saying you should perhaps prove it, and instead, you insist that the burden of proof lies with me, not you. It's your claim now to prove.

>Can a normal person be happy, spending most of there time alone?
See above.

You do not _need_ another human to be happy and you won't/can't cure misery just by adding another person to the scenario. That's unhealthy.

>I'm unconvinced that the warning of the elders is worthless
I'm unconvinced you cannot be happy alone. As is every other human on earth. I'm also unconvinced that the warning is coming from the elders, but from people who have spread this culture with a vested interest in it. Not all cultural mores come from a benevolent place either, and a culture that presents people who do not benefit but themselves instead should be highly suspect of this. What you are reading into this is advice, a warning. What this is, of course, is propaganda. "Please breed. Please make babies. For the good of your nation, stop thinking of yourself, suffer quietly (gaman) and just put aside your own happiness for the good of the nation."

In literal terms, I wouldn't romanticize a culture which obliges people to suffer for the good of itself and ask for nothing in return as possessing the wisdom of Solomon. I'd sooner suspect it of being something spread during and by an oppressive government.

Insisting, "But you're not REALLY happy," or "They're not REALLY happy" if they're alone is logically fallacious as well.

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>>7384160
>>7383555

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Insisting, "But you're not REALLY happy," or "They're not REALLY happy" if they're alone is logically fallacious as well. It's also base and somewhat deplorable. This is how cults such as scientology operate and hooks vulnerable people. They take people from the street administer "stress tests" (which are anything but) and tell them they aren't TRULY happy. And what a coincidence! They have the cure you seek! You can even BUY IT right there! Aren't they such kind souls to not only TELL YOU that you aren't happy despite telling them you are and feeling happy, but they're so kind enough to sell you back the happiness you clearly don't have!

This of course is just an example of how trying to tell people they aren't happy works. Most of the time, it doesn't work. Not on most people who are. But there's impressionable people out there, people easily fooled and easily persuaded enough to listen.

"You're not a person. You're not good enough until you have had sex or get a boyfriend/girlfriend. You'll never be happy without one."

This line of thinking and reasoning is toxic and it should be stopped as soon as possible and the people who spread it should be dragged out into the street, shot, and executed and the bill for the bullet should be sent to their living relatives.

It sounds harsh. But guess why the suicide rate is so staggeringly high in this nation, no, worldwide, and why it's going up? Because people are told they aren't human or good enough if they can't find a girlfriend or boyfriend, that they will never be happy, and they'll never amount to anything.

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>>7384180
>>7384160
>>7383555
Don't take that personally though, if such a thing is possible. I'm not trying to insinuate anything and if it comes across that way I apologize. Live, let live.

>>7384160
>Absolutely, unequivocally yes. And you are now begging the question, and on top of that, shifting the burden of proof. You haven't provided anything for me or anyone else to believe that it isn't possible, but insisted that I prove or other people prove that it is. I am rejecting your belief and saying you should perhaps prove it, and instead, you insist that the burden of proof lies with me, not you. It's your claim now to prove

I don't know, common sense would probably say otherwise. Though I'm sure your autism will call that anecdotal evidence.

If it was easier to be spend all your time jacking off alone in a small apartment to achieve happiness, I think there would be more talk about it.

Why do we know dick enlargement pills don't work? No one talks about.

Why do we know time travel doesn't work? We've never met anyone from the future.

etc, etc.

Sure, some are probably happy, but that is an exception more than the rule.

With the vigor you argue otherwise, it seems more like you are trying to convince yourself than anyone else. too.

I'm not convinced the average person can spend that much time alone in such a small space and be happy.

I'm also confused on why you haven't taken the obvious counter stance: getting married or dating doesn't fix the problem of the video. It doesn't promise that you and the waifu will be home at the same time. Or that you will get a bigger apartment. Those are both problems of Japanese economics right now.

>>7384825

This documentary is pretty enlightening on the subject

https://youtu.be/QH-kNnq7mFM

Dude has a relationship, but it does not solve any of the problems of the video. They're both too tired to fuck. And the apartment is still too small to enjoy.

The problems in the mememe video are real. Its just that a simple relationship does not cure them.

The Japanese economy and government are more to blame. And I'd bet money that has been the response in Japan. "well sure, I'll get married, when I can get a bigger flat."

>>7384160
>I'm unconvinced you cannot be happy alone.

Man is a social animal. It is why jail is punishment. And why isolation chambers are considered extreme punishment.

>>7384831
but this isnt forced. you know if you wanted to you could just go out and socialize.

>>7380004
Yeah but recently every developed nation is doing everything to stop or at least severely limit immigration, US, EU, Japan all of them. Only cherrypicking the best candidates occasionally.

>It's not like we have to care, since the only peeps that suffer from a decrease in global population are the fucking jackasses at the top who need billions of wage slaves to make more riches for them.
You are wrong, people that are so high up on the money pile have enough money saved for the rest of their life. It is those who are still just relatively okay off, which are super well off compared to the worse parts of the word will have a hard time because 1) They will have to work together with immigrants who may or may not be hidden terrorist 2) They will not have anyone else to marry.

>>7380435
>No Futa art of the girl
good

>>7382107
>>Actually the real take on it is that Anno hates anime. He's said for years anime is dying and changing into something he doesn't want it to.
That is actually his own fucking "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE" problem. Just cause he an arrogant asshat about it and at the same time has the resources to create such things to mock the people that enjoy it will not make him happy either.

>>7382265
>>actual animations/comics aren't selling like they used to--which is largely where the creators get their paycheck. the merchandising dollars to my understanding just get absorbed right back into the corporate/merching side of things.

But the fact that the revenue gets absorbed back to the corporate system and the original creator gets breadcrumbs is not the fans' fault. I totally understand that it feels like the absolute worst shit but getting angry at the consumer for this will only make things worse.

>>7384831
>Man is a social animal. It is why jail is punishment. And why isolation chambers are considered extreme punishment.
But convicts don't get to communicate with the outside world nor watch whatever they want, while a Hikki has the Internet to communicate with anyone he wants or watch whatever the fuck he wants.

>>7384825
>Though I'm sure your autism will call that anecdotal evidence.
It would be.
And calling people who prove you wrong "autistic" is ad hom.

>If it was easier to be spend all your time jacking off alone in a small apartment to achieve happiness, I think there would be more talk about it.
No one said it was easier. Only possible. And people DO talk about it.

>With the vigor you argue otherwise, it seems more like you are trying to convince yourself than anyone else. too.
Again, this is what we would call a red herring. I personally am irrelevant to the argument and whether or not its valid. Truth stands on its own, and now because everything else you've said has failed, you've decided to attack me.

>Sure, some are probably happy, but that is an exception more than the rule.
You haven't anything to support who is and isn't and whether this is typical or not. This is called speculation.

>With the vigor you argue otherwise, it seems more like you are trying to convince yourself than anyone else. too.
We discussed this. In point of fact, I told you why I argue this, and why I think it's important, because the ideology is toxic. It is literally harmful to the individual and their mental and emotional well being. It's why suicides are going up right now for men.

>I'm also confused on why you haven't taken the obvious counter stance: getting married or dating doesn't fix the problem of the video.
I have literally stated exactly this. Several times in fact.

>Those are both problems of Japanese economics right now.
This is why Japanese men are remaining single. Because it's more economically stable for them, and leads them to be happier than an economical burden they cannot possibly bear. It's easier to support yourself and be happy than to try to struggle economically with someone else. As you said. Economics.
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>>7385412
>>7384825
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>I'm not convinced the average person can spend that much time alone in such a small space and be happy.
So you believe that it's a matter of the size of the living space? Japan has had very small apartments for a while in such large complexes. This isn't new. But neither is the suicide problem. And there's scientific studies on rats that seem to suggest that living in overcrowded dwellings is detrimental to the well being of the rat (and rats behave very similarly to humans socially.)

So I don't think you're too wrong here. The science seems to suggest it.

>>7384831
>Man is a social animal.
Correct. You are socializing right now actually.

>It is why jail is punishment
Jail is punishment because its purpose is to segregate potentially dangerous individuals from society so they do not harm the greater public. That's the primary goal of prison.

>And why isolation chambers are considered extreme punishment.
solitary confinement is harsh punishment in jail. It also restricts you to a smaller cell and less privileges, and less moving around.

You're also comparing prison to living alone. The two do not compare even a little. In one you are free. The other you are told what to do, when to eat, and when to sleep, and when to wake up, all the time, 24/7 with no autonomy. The restriction of freedom in prison doesn't compare to someone who chooses to lives alone at home.

>>7385428

> Jail is punishment because its purpose is to segregate potentially dangerous individuals from society so they do not harm the greater public. That's the primary goal of prison.

There is that aspect to it, but I think its to show how much can be lost by refusing to follow the rules that society sets up.

There's also the rehabilitation angle, but that seems to have mostly been forgotten these days, and rehabilitating people who are engaging in destructive and self-destructive cycles is really hard.

Prison and jail both serve to both contain a person, and show them what it is like to live in a world where they have even less control over their lives than they normally do. Jail is different than prison in that it is intended to prevent someone from running away from their trial, prison is where they end up if they're found guilty.

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>>7385414
>>7385412
>>7384825
Most importantly though, I don't want this debate to get heated, and it's turning that way. I don't want you to feel like I'm trying to personally attack you, and if I did, once again I'd like to apologize.

I don't want to be anything short of civil and congenial.

>>7385550
>There's also the rehabilitation angle, but that seems to have mostly been forgotten these days
As much as it pains me to admit, the primary goal of prison has always been to segregate the convicted dangerous people from society.

Though you're still right, and even the above statement is largely no longer accurate, as more and more non violent criminals and offenders are jailed.

>>7385412
>I have literally stated exactly this. Several times in fact.

No, you have either argued that it isn't actually a problem or that it is purely a Japanese problem and there is nothing anyone from the rest of the world can take away from it.

>>7385428
>In one you are free.

That isn't really how addiction is works. If the character is unable to break from this cycle, which is implied as the video loops on the original website, he is addicted. If you are addicted, you are not free.

>>7385560
>I don't want to be anything short of civil and congenial.

I don't know how the conversation can remain civil if you continue to try to shut down apposing views. You do not frame your arguments as if there are options. You frame it as the cultural interpretation, and only one cultural interpretation is the correct one. Which is nonsense given that the video is also art.

How is anyone suppose to engage in this conversation with you? Say you're right then go post in another thread?

>>7385591
>No, you have either argued that it isn't actually a problem or that it is purely a Japanese problem and there is nothing anyone from the rest of the world can take away from it.
I've said no such thing. I didn't say it was a PURELY Japanese problem. I said it was a Japanese problem. I've also not stated it wasn't a problem at all.

>>7385595
An addicted individual is not imprisoned. Prison and a person in this situation are not the same, nor is one as bad as the other. They're completely separate things and different.

>I don't know how the conversation can remain civil if you continue to try to shut down apposing views.

>You do not frame your arguments as if there are options. You frame it as the cultural interpretation, and only one cultural interpretation is the correct one. Which is nonsense given that the video is also art.
I'm sorry, that wasn't intentional.

>How is anyone suppose to engage in this conversation with you?
It's possible for people to disagree and remain civil. You've made your position clear, you feel that people without girlfriends are all unhappy and all losers, and I disagreed.

>>7385621
>It's possible for people to disagree and remain civil. You've made your position clear, you feel that people without girlfriends are all unhappy and all losers, and I disagreed.

I don't think anyone said that all people without girlfireds were unhappy.

We're trying to interpret the story of the character in the video and if it had any grander messages.

>>7385625

>I don't think anyone said that all people without girlfireds were unhappy.
>>7383555
>Can a normal person be happy, spending most of there time alone?

Sorry, I'm really really not trying to be an ass but was this you, and if so, what exactly did you mean? If I misunderstood, that's my fault. By all means, blame me if I did.

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>>7385625
>We're trying to interpret the story of the character in the video and if it had any grander messages.
Te more I find out about the origin of the video the more I am convinced that the whole thing just Anno's elaborate way of saying "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!!! IF YOU DO YOU ARE ALL FAGGOTS!!" to everyone, that is all the meaning behind it.

why does anime always use weird gore shit to get its deeper point across

>>7387161
Because they are fishing for shock effect pretyt simple concept actually. And because showing gore in TV/anime has much less strict regulation in Japan than in the US so they are doing it cause it is effective.

>>7386640
>"STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!!! IF YOU DO YOU ARE ALL FAGGOTS!!"

You can boil a lot of art down to that though.

A lot of shit isn't objective.

You know, honestly, as much as I like ME!ME!ME!, I dislike discussing the subtler themes. There are certain points where it was obviously attempting to be weird for the sake of it. Not to mention Anno stroking his dick with self-references.

To be honest, my interpretation is that he fell out of a relationship and isn't over it. Full disclaimer, that's what happened to me last year.

He's not over the pink haired girl. He's trying to ignore the heartbreak by smoking and watching porn online. The figurines he may or may not have before that, but if he started buying them after his break-up, it would explain why there are so many.

That room's a mess. Wrappers, cigarette butts... He doesn't strike me as the loner by nature type. He's trying to ignore grief by ignoring reality. That's not a healthy response regardless of who you were before.

Like everything Anno makes, it's a mental health issue. He's using fantasy (porn, online games, cigarettes) to ignore his issues in reality. He doesn't need to go get another girlfriend or even makeup with the original. He needs to go see a therapist.

>>7379731
I usually fap once an evening before bed and I can't tell if I have a porn addiction or not. I'm leaning towards no because I'm not physically dependent on an orgasm to sleep well at night and I don't crave a fap other times a day, but I'm not sure. It probably negatively impacts my relationships with potential mates, but I haven't really had a girlfriend since high school, even though I've attempted to get one. Anybody wanna help a brother out?

>>7388249
if you wanna get a girlfriend, try to be attractive physically, if you can't do that, try to develop an interesting personality, maybe become a feminist (not the frothing rage kind, the "women are ok I guess" kind) maybe adopt a puppy. and most importantly, remember: being an asshole never works.

That's an interesting view

Nice futa by the way

>>7388249
It is hard to defined where is the point where someone is addicted to something when there are no clear physical withdrawal symptoms. Doing something once every day like, drinking a glass of wine or masturbating doesn't mean you are addicted.

A good road to finding a girlfriend is being social and having a lot of friends and while looking for her being open and telling them about it. If they are good friends and reasonable people they will support you and they will help you find candidates if they know of some in their own social circle. This isn't rocket science really...

>>7388545
That makes me feel a little better, thanks anon.

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>>7379731
>>7379807

>>7379807
I have intermittent periods. It actually very well has to do with my sex life and how active it is.

I don't feel shame when I have a girlfriend and I still have my little get about with porn. It's the fact that you don't have to worry about someone else's conscious. It's a solo act.

That's why it's so different. I mean, if I'm getting what I want, head, busts inside, fucking whenever I want-- Yeah! I don't need porn.

But unfortunately, you gotta get a freak like that or else there will always be a pull between yin and yang.

I don't want to be like this, but we all have needs. It's the reason why women cheat, and why men still like their porn. Does anyone really think a hand feels better? No, but it's the mental process that goes behind it. You'd rather beat off to a screen than get a handy from someone rough or ugly.

It's okay to find what fufills your needs. Unfortunately, you can be stuck in a location that is ill speaking of it and you may feel like a fish out of water especially if you have obscure or pent-up fetishes. Location location location.

>>7388392
>if you wanna get a girlfriend, try to be attractive physically

Yeah, >>7388249 have you considered being attractive?

Bloody hell

>>7378316
I dunno, from the translation i've read from girl it's more like "i can't get laid and it's te boys fault"

Do you ahve any official word on those songs?

>>7378580
Because people sometimes get hung up on teir ex after a break up, especially after the first love?

>>7389166
I'd say I'm reasonably attractive. I'm tall, have a good complexion, masculine enough facial features. I do have braces, and that does make me very self conscious and I think they hinder my overall attractiveness, I get them off in August though so that's good.

I've had women interested, but my main problem is following up. I'm not good with distance and I'm in a small town so dating opportunities are hard to come by. So when I meet someone in a city an hour from here, it's hard for me to overcome that physical distance. The last 3 relationships I was in were ended due to distance.

Small towns suck for dating if you aren't in high school.

Any further theories?

>>7379731
>tfw I've been watching porn since age 10
>tfw I don't actually physically get off on it
>tfw porn just satisfies my desire for love and pleasure
>tfw I'm on /d/ or /gif/ or /h/ for 2-4 hours per day
Addiction is a bitch

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>>7378294
>Bunch of oldfags are jelly of young people
>Make a judgemental video of how """selfish""" young people are
>Expect young people to repent and cater to the oldfags, ironically revealing how selfish the oldfags actually are

Its quite an arrogant and pathetic attempt really. I feel disgusted by it.

>>7392585
>Taking care of your natural human needs is somehow bad.

I fucking hate how people get guilted and shamed to think there is something wrong with them.

>being a loner is bad and wrong!
>masturbating is bad and wrong!
>pornography is bad and wrong!

Based on what evidence? Notice how the proponents for the above opinions, never back up their claims with facts, but instead try to shame you by making an appeal to emotion. Just like that damn video.

These are the opinions of extreme authoritarians who are upset that you are not doing exactly what they think you should be doing at every waking moment.

>>7392585
>Addiction is a powerful bitch
FTFY

>>7393595
I think it's a question of moderation vs letting it take control over your life. Alcohol isn't bad and wrong, but drinking yourself to sleep every night is.

Being a loner, masturbating and porn isn't wrong, but what if you're like that guy in the video, who seems to be depressed - can't even get out of bed, metaphorically getting eaten alive by his past mistakes - and you have nothing else going for you?

>>7394983
If the vid's message is "porn isn't a guaranteed cure for depression", then yeah, sure.