Femdom/Gentle Femdom and Role Reversal General

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hi /d/, I'm working on a gentle femdom w/ monsters series which I would like to put on Patreon

My central character is going to be a very voluptuous succubus who has her way with various monsters/men

Any ideas for what you guys would like to see?

Pic related, its a rough draft

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>>7328745
>how to act like an autistic weeaboo.jpg
shit tier opening image

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Anyone else here obsessed with female pleasure?

I am very insecure, so nothing would make me happier if I managed to pleasure a woman and if she would thank me for it I would be in heaven

I think there is so much femdom porn and porn in general that focuses on the man's pleasure

What do you think? Also are there any porn comics out there that focuses on the women's orgasms?

>>7328799
there's no such thing as the female orgasm.

>>7328817
You just haven't been trying hard enough

>>7328799
here
>>7328764

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The discord link is invalid or expired

>>7328888
OP here, sorry 'bout that. Mostly just copypasta'd the first post of previous thread just to make a new thread.

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How do /rr/ people here deal with the fact that it's extermely unlikely they will ever meet anyone else that's into this? Makes me depressed sometimes desu.

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>>7328931
Well, are you going to post a new discord link or has the room died?

>>7329081
Have you tried going to local kink meets (munches, they're called I think). Girls love going to social events, and they love a guy who is confident enough to go somewhere alone and meet new people. Be open about what you want, without being creepy. If that doesn't work, just focus on dating a girl, and when she loves you she will be willing to indulge your preferences.

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>>7329089
Creepy is just a slur women use to insult men they find unattractive.
Behaviour that would be considered "creepy" coming from a 5'9 manlet would be considered sexy and romantic if a male model did it.

>>7329089
Not to be rude, but I specified /rr/ people for a reason.

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>>7329129
>Creepy is just a slur women use to insult men they find unattractive.
>Behaviour that would be considered "creepy" coming from a 5'9 manlet would be considered sexy and romantic if a male model did it.
Goes both ways. Imagine a fat, hairy feminist came up to you and told you she wants to "ssshlurp your sheeemen" through her speech distorting orthodontic brace. How would you react, vs if the girl of your dreams did it? I'm both sorry and happy for you that you've never been hit on by really unattractive girls, to discover this for yourself.

>>7329187
Does that stand for Role Reversal, or Retards of R9k?

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>>7329290
>does that stand for role reversal, or retards of r9k?
The fact is that /rr/ people have no desire to be in a traditional relationship where the role of a man is to be a disposable initiator, provider and protector. This is the one of the main differences between /gfd/ and /rr/, and the key reason why these generals have so many arguments.

/gfd/ is more like a fetish while /rr/ is more like a sexuality.

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>>7329290
Being hit on by an unattractive woman might be slightly unpleasant, but I wouldn't try to get her fired or smear her as a sex offender (and if I did try I wouldn't get anywhere). That's the difference. Also, you don't have to be a hideous fat slob to be considered creepy - surveys show that women consider about 80% of men to be "below average" in looks. So no, it doesn't go both ways.

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>>7329541
Well, imagine the situation where she goes further than just trying to hit on you once, and instead tries again and again ("he's just shy, men's "no" means "yes").
Or gets mad at the rejection and starts making threats about how she will find you and get what she wants anyway.
Admittedly, most of the time that doesn't go anywhere but imagine if you started seeing her on your route home or the places you regularly go to afterwards?
Or if you work together, bother you all the time and try to get physical with you?
'cause general rule of a thumb, single incident doesn't get you fired (unless you did something very stupid, crude and in front of witnesses), it takes multiple reports to HR.

I'm not an attractive woman.
I've always thought I'm invisible to men therefore safe, but even I had a middle-aged guy try to grope my thighs in the light of the day, on my way home from work, with the comment "where did you get thighs so thick, girl". Never ever thought it would happen to me but it did.
And no, it wouldn't make me happy if Chad did that.
But I have seen that happening to my friends. And that shit gets scary fast once a guy decided he's entitled to you even if you rejected him.

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Verbal abuse is okay, r-right?

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>>7329632

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>>7329635

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>>7329639

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>>7329632
No, unless it's very affectionate like "you are my little slut".
Cute boys should be cherished, not degraded.

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All boys should be raped by strong woman, and should be let know that they have no right to complain as woman pleasure themselves with their bodies, and that they must keep /fit/ to pleasure his owner better

>>7329661

What medicine did she him?

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>>7329668
>tfw i have misandric friends that actually believe in that
>they thread me like shit
>I'm constantly doing everything to them just to show that I'm somehow different from the other guys

am i damaged?

>>7329685
Shut up, slut. You have no right to complain, you exist to pleasure woman, nothing else

>>7329685
Stop rewarding shit behavior.

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>>7329685
They are not your friends.
Get away from them, you deserve better.
Friends don't inherently hate you just for being what you are.
You don't have to prove shit to them.
You don't have to justify your gender.
Nothing is ever going to change their minds.
If someone wants to hate their opposite gender, they are just going to see the worst and expect the worst no matter what you as individual do.
It's pointless to waste time on someone like that, you're always going to be in the wrong just because you have different set of organs between your legs.

>>7329685

Yeah that does not sound fun. This fetish is only fun if both sides understand that it is a fetish. If it goes further than that it can ruin things.

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>>7329668
2b 2b 2b!

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>>7329832

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I have a story to share very recently actually 2 days ago a girl played me. i'm a not so mentally stable guy and I fell for a ploy by a girl on discord. she said such nice things called me her little one and what not. ten she wanted me to cut. to be honest I would have if we where deeper into the relation this was the first day. the day after she said she wasn't even dom and that she was fucking with me....why

>tfw she said she kills her neighbours pets
>tfw you are to yandere to even consider love takes more then a day

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>>7329840
Never trust anyone who asks you to self-harm. They are no good for you.

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>>7329853
im so desperate and a little love obsessed (my normies friends say i'm scary obsessed wich I laugh off but it kinda hurts)... I wouldn't mind hurting myself for someone I truly love. you are right though

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>>7329855
What is important is that someone who truly loves you will never want you to hurt yourself.
And no matter what anyone says, you deserve to be loved. So don't settle for less.
Good domme will always have your best interests at heart which involves knowing how to keep you safe even from yourself.
Never trust someone who asks you to do humiliating and/or harming things without building a proper connection with you and finding out your limits.
You should be more careful from now on. Your love has more worth than you think so don't give it out so freely to people who don't deserve it.

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>>7329866
yeah I guess I just have a weakness for sadist girls I do like gfd but I also love yandere lovers. wich puts me in a hell of a danger zone kek but from now on ill be much more careful. least I have esdeath

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Just want a guy to make my protein smoothie and worship my feet when I get home from work and the gym, is that so much to ask for?

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>>7329891
real femanon? if so do clingy guys like me have a chance

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>>7329733
>>7329777
I keep telling myself that. But is just one of them say that they like me or even hold my hand in any situation that my head goes over heels and I start to create hope.
And yes, I know I'm an imbecile.

>tfw you like biting/pinching/hitting but it's socially compromising

Today at work a coworker pinched my neck out of nowhere and i made a little moaning noise for about a quarter of a second before i stopped being an autist

I hope they forget, it was the most embarassing thing.

>tfw no gf to enjoy constant moaning and oversensitive skin during lewds

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>>7329876
It's ok to be into pain play.
I'm just saying that a good domme would never ask you to do things like that before she got to know you properly and could ensure it would be safe for you.

Please don't equate yandere with violence though. It's not at all necessary element.
Though the heck knows, if being clingy, needy, obsessive and possessive without being proper crazy is enough to qualify as yandere these days
I'm all of the above, I guess, but in the end I just want my beloved to be happy.
If they don't want to be with me, I'd just let them go.
If I'm making them unhappy, trying to keep them for myself is too selfish. No matter how much I'd want to.

>>7329900
You're not an imbecile. They are the bad ones for trying to take advantage of you like that. They know what they're doing. It's on them, not on you.
You need to get away from them and go no contact if needed to.
It's not healthy.

>>7329832
So why does she carry him around?

>>7328900
TRAPS ARE GAAAAY!

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>>7329933
he is her princess

>>7329917
oh are you a femanon?

>>7329290
>Imagine a fat, hairy feminist came up to you and told you she wants to "ssshlurp your sheeemen" through her speech distorting orthodontic brace.
I would be scared about the braces cutting my dick, but I would probably bang her from behind.

>>7329962
>>7329834
>>7329832
>>7329668
I don't really get these two characters.

What's up with this white haired guy and gal? Is there really ANY femdom between those two??

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>>7329895
Depends what you mean by clingy. Few people like a financial leech. Generally the ideal sub knows how to be a normal person as well as a sub.

But god my feet are fucking sore right now and the massage ball isn't doing it so whatever.

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>>7328799
I quite enjoy in my hentai's when the woman is genuinely switched on by the cuteness of the male. As if even recoiling in fear only makes her want to eat you up even more.

I really enjoy that feeling of fear and anticipation. That my everryday reactions and motions are attractive to someone enough that they would pursue.

>>7329081

Go to fucking munches. I really don't know how much this can be stressed. It might take a good while for you to meet someone into it but there's a decent chance of you finding someone into it if you look long enough and attend the right events. You might find a gem browsing through fetlife but fetlife is shit for male subs imo because it's 75% prodommes and people who haven't logged on it in a year+.

Here's the thing that a lot of you might not know even though it should feel painfully obvious given the way women are. Dommes know dommes. They talk among each other about all kinds of shit. One of these is the subs they meet. It's my experience from six years in the community that most dommes are more than happy to pass along a sub they don't feel is right for them to a domme they think is.

I've seen all kinds of shit happen to the point that nothing surprises me anymore in terms of people with obscure fetishes finding each other.

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>>7330011
well no I mean attention like a puppy I feel like id be resisting the urge to hug her all day and talking about how great and strong she is. also do we have a discord up still?

>>7329081
>>7330026

Dress well, don't be autistic(something I think most of you can manage with practice), be respectful and basically act like a normal person etc. Throw yourself out of your comfort zone. Yes I know it's daunting and scary, but it's the best way. Any good regular munch/event group will put you through a vetting process that lasts 1-2 months, but it's worth it.

Even if you are ugly and out-of-shape you'll win a lot of points with the dommes(many who are ugly and out of shape themselves) just by being a decent person. Seriously. They deal with so many shitty male subs that polite and respectful ones immediately grab their attention.

>>7329129
>5'9 manlet

Fuck off with your retarded /fit/ and misc memes. 5'9" is not manlet at all except in maybe the Netherlands.

Also dominant women, from my experience, tend to be far far less hung up on height than vanilla ones. I've never really pinned down the reason, but I suspect it's partly because the BDSM community tends to care less about looks than vanillas do and partly because the male sub pool is limited as it is, in addition to the aforementioned many of them being sacks of shit.

I'm 5'7" and have been dommed by women as short as 5'0" and as tall as 6'1" None of them seemed to care I'm slightly below the average and I've seen guys noticeably shorter than me be a hit with the dommes on several occasions.

Does anyone have that one gfd pic with the doggirl?

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>>7330151

>>7330014
sauce?

>>7330187
Not the one I was thinking of but thank you regardless!

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>>7330196
Theres this also.

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>>7330197
I found it, but thank you for looking!

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do we have a discord?

>>7330002
Not really, I can't help but feel like the people who make that art haven't even played the game. [spoiler]it's still nice to see though

>>7328764
sounds good
what is it called?

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>tfw no longer attracted to real women
>can only fap to anime
Porn has ruined me. Its honestly a little dissapointing. As much as i like the idea behind going to a munch, I feel like I just wont be attracted to anyone there, and I don't want to waste others time.

>>7330347
On FL too eh? Sounds legit.. Sorry to hear about your condition tho, must suck bro!

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>>7330034
>I'm 5'7" and have been dommed by women as short as 5'0" and as tall as 6'1"

The way you write this makes it sound like you've never had a lasting femdom relationship, just brief encounters with ugly Fetlife bitches
If that's the case I'm not surprised

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>>7329668
>keep /fit/

Oh fuck off Chad, you're not fooling anyone.

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>>7330436
If your owner say so, you have to do it, anon.

>>7330497
are you into fitness
because I'm all about fitting this dick in you

>>7328782
I can vouch that the gf loves it, though I stay away from the full autism stuff

>>7329668
>and should be let know that they have no right to complain as woman pleasure themselves with their bodies, and that they must keep /fit/ to pleasure his owner better
Not gentle. Mainstream femdom needs to leave.

>>7329685
Stay away from them, anyone who hates you and treats you like shit for how you were born is not a real friend.

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I once read a couple months ago somewhere that getting a job and becoming more independent would "get rid" of my gentle femdom desire. Now I have a job and I'm more independent and I still have the desire for gfd. In fact I think it's increased as I find myself consuming gfd content and fantasizing about it a lot more now (especially after long stressful days at work) than I did when i was unemployed. I found that interesting so I thought I'd share.

I've got an idea that will (because of the nature of 4chan) probably fail spectacularly but in the interest of keeping the thread interesting why don't we play a game?

>The Game:
>Step 1 Post ONE attribute that you'd like to see in your ideal gentle Domme/Mistress or whatever you'd call her. either a physical attribute or a personality trait/attribute.

>Step 2: After a decent number of replies or when the game is dead we'll combine all the traits that were mentioned and discover what 4chans ideal gfd Domme/Mistress would be.

>Rules (which will probably be ignored but too late to stop writing now):

>1. Try not to post an attribute or trait that somebody else has already mentioned
>2 If two traits or attributes mentioned conflict with each other and cannot be reconciled with each other either the one that seems more popular or in absence of a clear popular winner whichever one was posted first will be used when combining all the traits.

Let the (it's probably going to fail) Game begin

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>>7330698
let's not

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>>7330026
I am from europe and the meet ups and munches are not worth it here. most people are 35 or older and its rather cringy to talk to them as a young unexperinced person. Also if you are like me and you look for a romantic relationship and not a lifestyle, its kinda overkill. I only speak for Germany though.

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>>7330795
>what are under 35 munches

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>>7330817
?

>>7329595
>Oh yea? But what if she rises to power in government, then declares war on the small country you live in and sends you to a concentration camp? What THEN???
What does anything you said have to do with >>7329541? Unless you're unironically trying to say that all(or a majority) unattractive men are stalkers and rapists, which is as stupid as saying all men are Hitlers-to-be.

>>7329661
I agree with this sentiment. If I wanted degradation I'd go to mainstream femdom.

>>7330795
Good to know. I have toying with the idea to attend something like this, but if that average age is at this level. I probability won't.

>>7330880
only talking about ghermany though. I feel its diffrent in the us or uk.

>>7330883
To bad for me, that I live in germany :P

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>>7330887
cool, never saw another kraut before on here.

>>7330880
>>7330883
>>7330887
As >>7330817 was alluding to, there are meetups specifically for younger people in many places. See if there's something like that near you.

>>7330900
good idea, but i doubt it. Good sites for that?

>>7330248
I watched the gameplay on YouTube just to see if it was gfd related. I got really happy at the start when he started calling her "ma'am" and he has a subby personality and voice as well (at least in the English version) Apart from that there's nothing really explicitly gfd about the game though there's a little subtext if you really look hard. There is some subtle role reversal the fact that she saves him more than once and that she's the protagonist while he's just the supporting character. He follows her lead from start to finish and she bosses him about and shows a nurturing, affectionate yet reserved attitude toward him and at some point she helps revive him. At the most it's a mainstream game with a strong, dominant female character taking the place of the traditional male protagonist while the role of the supporting backup character is taken by him a male character. So to answer the original question the game is not directly gfd or rr related but has a lot of themes that relate. The gfd and rr "community" picked up on those themes and began adopting the characters for the purpose of fan art, fan fiction, fap material and fantasy. I for one am glad they did. 2b and 9s would be perfect together in a Domme/sub relationship.

>>7330904
The only thing I can think of is this site: https://forum.smjg.org/

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>>7330915
>https://forum.smjg.org/
thank you <3

>>7330877
>>7330564
>men deverse to be raped
>degradation
>mainstream femdom

I'm sorry what

>>7330923
Mainstream femdom (as in, the majority of femdom content) is based around degradation and sexual violence towards men, Anon. That's literally what this thread is not about.

>>7330935
It's OP's fault for putting femdom before gentle femdom in the thread title.

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>>7330949

>>7330953
Wait, why the fuck did he do that
These threads are tenuous enough already
Please

>>7330923
Mainstream femdom = "you're a pathetic little pig who doesn't even deserve my shit"

Gentle Femdom = "you're so cute and I love you my good boy"

>>7330347
You just need to stop fapping for some time.

>>7330978
>"you're so cute and I love you my good boy"
That's not femdom though

>>7330983
If the man is a vulnerable position where the female is in control, how is it not femdom?

>>7330983
There's always one unsatisfied. Let me try again.

Mainstream Femdom: "You're a fucking waste of space, you're so pathetic taking my strap-on in the ass like a dirty worthless slut"

Gentle Femdom: "That's it sweetie. Be a good boy take my strap on. I'm so proud that you're doing this for me".

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>>7330983
it is soft femdom, not hard femdom

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>>7330991
>>7330978
At the same time that verbal abuse makes me cry it turns my dick in diamonds. No even joking.
I watched the whole Prison School anime crying and masturbing in every scene she apears
send help

>>7331019
I don't understand how it could make anyone hard. It just makes me angry. I'm a sensitive soul and hate both emotional and physical pain (certain types of pain in the context of gfd and BDSM I'm OK with) but that's just me. You're free to enjoy that stuff and I won't begrudge you for it.

>>7330983
Fuck off.

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>>7331031
this
yes, we all know you get off to being treated like shit, and that is fine, however this thread isn't for that, and it is femdom, just not the kind you're into

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>>7331065

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would role reversal be considered a type of sexuality I mean I can't even see myself in a realtionship without the roles reversed...

>>7331065
>>7331067
sooo good!

>>7330991

I don't really like humiliation. But i really like power, dominance and control/ownership. So what type should I look for?

>>7331180
Yes, role reversal should be considered a sexuality. Hopefully one day it will be.

>>7331247
Both

>>7331067
JK rawling

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>>7330868
>What does anything you said have to do with >>7329541?

He's only saying that it would be "slightly unpleasant" but not worth of trying to get her fired.
He's not taking into account that it could escalate and go further.
A single proposition doesn't get people fired.

And that's how he's viewing it, that if it happened, it would be something that only happened once and that it would never escalate, and end with him simply saying "no" and ugly girl being okay with it.

>trying to say that all(or a majority) unattractive men are stalkers and rapists

Of course not.
But you'd be surprised at how many of men (attractive or not) can't take rejection politely or continue to be pushy ('cause of the whole "be confident and dominant" meme society's forcing down their throats).
And as a woman, you might never know which one of them will just scoff at you and which one might decide you need to learn a lesson.
Probability is very low, but you never know.
Would you want to disregard it completely?

And for attractive women probability increases simply because they get hit on much more often.

And that's all this is about.
There are crazy stalker chicks too, sure, it could happen to anyone.
Not all men are rapists.
But you'd be dumb to deny that women have to deal with this shit a lot more often than men do.
And it's much harder to feel safe in those circumstances.

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>>7331280
>But you'd be dumb to deny that women have to deal with this shit a lot more often than men do.
The natural result of men being forced to initiate in order to have any hope of ever being loved.

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>>7331296
You could just as easily say that it's a natural result of women being property to their husbands and families for thousands of years and having no say in most matters.
It's just as laughable.

>>7331280
What I'm saying is it's almost a total non sequitur. Some men have trouble accepting rejection, most likely due to society shaming them for "giving up", therefore all men are potential stalkers and never trust them; that's what you're saying.
I don't doubt at all that whatever anecdotes you bring up have happened, but I very, very much doubt that it's the norm.
>But you'd be dumb to deny that women have to deal with this shit a lot more often than men do.
More than men? Maybe. But I doubt it's more than a 5% increase, not even counting all the creepy shit women get away with just because they're women.
>>7331309
>women being property to their husbands and families for thousands of years and having no say in most matters.
Except American society hasn't been like that for amaybe half a century? Why would current day men act as if they were raised in 1400? Meanwhile, men having to do 100% of the work in relationships(especially initiating) is still the norm.

>>7331065
roll

>>7331067
rollerino

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>>7331280
No offense, but because you're a woman, you don't really understand that's being talked about here. It's nice that you're trying to help, I guess, but your input isn't needed.

>>7331336
>that's
whoops, meant to write what's

>>7331336
here's your you sir

now please take your bait elsewhere

>>7331256
But will it be considered a gender

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>>7331365
thats the thing if we push to have role reversal a sexuality we will get labeled as special snowflake sjw's so thanks to the cunt feminists we lose

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>>7331332
I feel like we're talking about different things. I was just pointing out that you were not taking the possibility of escalation into account.

>I very, very much doubt that it's the norm.
Create a dating profile posing an reasonably attractive woman, and get a taste for yourself. Watch how men act when you reject them. Watch how even seemingly normal men decide you need to see their dick on 10th message.

Yeah, obviously no one whips out their dick in public but a lot of men consider it normal to do so online.
It's just a glimpse into how men wish they could act IRL and feel comfortable with acting online.

You don't believe anecdotes, you'll probably say statistics are biased too, and everything else you'll justify with "well, men are forced to initiate!"

>Meanwhile, men having to do 100% of the work in relationships(especially initiating) is still the norm.

Where? In the internet magazines with articles "a real man should"? On the chinese cartoon forums where men are bitter Misaki won't come to their door and save them?

Do you have any experience or interact with any actual couples IRL?
'cause I see just as many girls supporting their deadbeat boyfriends that play vidya all day nowadays as I see the opposite.

Where I live it's pretty much the norm for women to work AND take care of the household and children, while men consider their duty done once work is over and head straight for the couch.
And often it's not like men bring more of the income or work more hours, it's usually roughly equal.

Yet you seem to live in some other dimension where women get all the perks and power with poor men being responsible for literally everything.

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>>7331434
>You don't believe anecdotes,
I literally said the opposite of this in my post, lmfao. Great job showing you didn't actually read what I have to say, and just like to force your shitty opinions at other people. Now fuck off.

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>>7331446
You basically said "sure they happened, but that doesn't prove anything".
Which means zilch - you might believe that they're true, but you don't believe in them as an evidence.

Is this all you have to say? Nice attempt to avoid real discussion.

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>>7331434
will you date me?

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>>7331457
Sorry, sweetheart. I already have cute little puppy I'm taking care of.

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>>7331472
I wish for death

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how does one become a tweak

>>7331480
tweak?

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>>7331482
like a damsel in distress type of body thin and weak

>>7331434
>>Meanwhile, men having to do 100% of the work in relationships(especially initiating) is still the norm.
>'cause I see just as many girls supporting their deadbeat boyfriends that play vidya all day nowadays as I see the opposite.
I think you're misunderstanding what he means by "work", he's not talking about breadwinning, he's talking about work _in the relationship_. That is, according to the social norms that persist in our day, it's up the man to initiate a relationship by asking the girl out. It's up to the man to keep it going by continuing to ask the girl out. It's up to the man to plan dates. It's up to the man to initiate sex. It's up to the man to "be on top" and do most of the work during sex. I'll back this guy up on this; of the dozens of women I have personally dated, just one was willing to toss these social norms aside and take the relationship drivers seat once in a while (sadly I utterly failed to appreciate what a treasure she was at the time).

It's true a lot of men are pigs, and dangerous ones at that. More than the rest of them are probably aware of or comfortable acknowledging. But at the same time you have to acknowledge the awkward situation men find themselves in in modern society, pressured on one side to "man up" and take initiative and "go after the girl" and pressured on the other side not to take initiative for fear of being "creepy" or cries of sexual harassment. It's genuinely confusing. It amazes me that a woman will go see a movie and d'aww at how romantic it is that guy in the movie pursues the girl to the ends of the earth, and 30 minutes after walking out of the theater condemns a man who did far, FAR less for being a "stalker" (true story).

>>7331491
A combination of the right bone structure, diet and exercise.

>>7331472
Why do you have to be so cruel?

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>>7331495
So, it's mostly the work of initiating relationship which does traditionally fall to men, that much I agree.
But 100% work in the relationship itself?
That I disagree with.
From what I've seen, once man secured himself a gf, wooing period ends and they take pretty much a backseat.
Most of the emotional labor in already secured relationship after all traditionally falls to women, from dealing with both families to planning dates, weddings, anniversaries

>'cause I see just as many girls supporting their deadbeat boyfriends that play vidya all day nowadays as I see the opposite.

Like, do you think those guys plan dates? Or take care of their girlfriends emotionally?
Most of them do not even take care of the house.

Real life is much more diverse to say that it's only one gender taking care of everything in relationship.

Oh, and yeah, I've been in relationship twice, haven't been asked out on a date once.
Take it as you will.

For example, my ex didn't bother with any of the dates planning, and in the end left me because "it's too comfortable with you".
Right now he's with a girl he pursued very proactively, he pays for everything and plans dates (despite her earning just as much as him), he spends most of his income on their relationship and seems happy to be doing that.
And I see that happening a lot to other people too.
Makes me think for all the complaining men do, they sure way too often seek out and enable this behavior themselves.

>>7331496
....not him what if your bone structure is comparable to Arnold Schwarzeneggers? am i just fucked in that case? I just want to be a trap for my girl

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>>7331495
>But at the same time you have to acknowledge the awkward situation men find themselves in in modern society, pressured on one side to "man up" and take initiative and "go after the girl" and pressured on the other side not to take initiative for fear of being "creepy" or cries of sexual harassment.

I'm not and never was going to argue with that.
I hate this whole "man up" and "girls love dominant men" meme myself.

I'm just saying the situation is both created by men and women together.
It's a fucked up cycle. You can be genuinely good guy and just get unlucky, because the other 10 guys before you weren't and left woman jaded and wary.
But being bitter at the opposite gender for it isn't going to solve anything.

Nor is becoming paranoid.
No one is going to take you to HR just because you asked out Stacey from reception for drinks ONCE.

What most women want (reasonable ones) is that men be respectful and learn to handle rejection politely.

Women that play games "I'll tell him no to see if he pursues me more" are not that common and are not worth your time to begin with. Disregard them and move on.
They are as much of a bane as men that act like sex-starved creeps right off the bat.

>>7330211
>>7330029
https://discord.gg/nscA3 Here's a link.

>>7331538
Not necessarily, but it'll require more work to try and balance it out.

Basically do extremely light upper body exercises, and do more intensive lower body exercise.

And of course there's the diet aspect, lots of vegetables and legumes with your proteins being more from things like chicken or soy than from beef.

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>>7331551
why do these links expire so annoying

>>7331491
did you mean "twink"

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>>7331522
>From what I've seen, once man secured himself a gf, wooing period ends and they take pretty much a backseat.
I'm sure that's the case in some relationships, that's not been the case for my relationships, nor any of my friends or family. I'm currently in a relationship that is well past the wooing period (I'm planning on putting a ring on that finger in a couple weeks!) and I still plan almost all our dates, take the lead in bed, and I don't expect I'll ever take a back seat. We split the costs of our dates fairly equally. She's not my first long-term relationship, and the others were all the same. Which is why I keep coming to these threads; I don't even really like femdom, I just like sexually aggressive women, and I can't really find them outside of fantasy and porny animu drawings.

>Oh, and yeah, I've been in relationship twice, haven't been asked out on a date once. Take it as you will.
>For example, my ex didn't bother with any of the dates planning, and in the end left me because "it's too comfortable with you".

oof, that kinda hit me in the feels. I'm genuinely sad to hear that's been your experience. Try not to loose faith in men too much, there's one out there that will make you happy some day. You deserve it. A woman who's willing to take the lead in a relationship once in a while is a rare gem. Your ex was looking for that heart-a-flutter feeling he thinks is love, not realizing that it is always temporary, and that too-comfortable feeling is what he should have been after all along.

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>>7331569
yeah sorry

>>7331522
What a fucking moron

Femanons my boyfriend is really into this stuff but I'm just not sure what to do about it like how to engage it or what to maintain a whole night of pleasure with >:3 any ideas?

>>7328900
Sauce?

>>7331591
>>:3
stop that
>what to do
basically what i can say is skim this thread, and talk to him about it
being up front about it can save you alot of second guessing
just ask hey i know you like this stuff but im not sure how to go about it can you give me ideas
and after that you should have experience enough on how to do it
also be enthusiastic about being gently cruel to him...if that makes sense

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>>7331065
>>7331067
>tfw you are autistic enough to use this and the yandere cyao + some other characters to create your own waifu
>tfw you spend long times daydreaming about a person that doesn't exist
GENTLE FEMDOM

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>>7331585
Have you ever tried discussing your wishes with her?
I expect she'd be willing to try, at least, from time to time to indulge in your fantasy.

>Try not to loose faith in men too much

Honestly, as much as grumpy I can get about it, it's not about losing faith in men.
I'm pretty jaded about humanity in general.

It's funny, really. How many complaints we all have about opposite gender can be mirrored straight back.
Men complain about how women want to suck them dry, yet end up falling head over heels for women who expect the man to do all the work.
Women talk about what real man should do and how they deserve to be treated, and then go back home to their lazy husbands that can't even remember when their anniversary is.

And I'm honestly fine about not being asked out on dates.
I'm more salty about when they fall through when I plan them.

>that too-comfortable feeling is what he should have been after all along.

Nah. People want what they want. I could never be the girl he wants.

I'm happier in my second relationship. I can be as caring and motherly as I'd like, and not worry about being accused of acting "like a man" in bed.
And if I want a date, I can take him out myself.

>>7329595
>things that never happened the post

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>>7331655
>Have you ever tried discussing your wishes with her?
I hate this fucking meme
The fetish, at it's fucking core, is about men not having to do everything for the woman as if she's a child, and every fucking day I read something like "Why not just tell her that you want to be treated like a human being? Have you tried that??"
Recently there was some faggot that actually said shit like "all you have to do is deny who you are and change yourself to be ((alpha)) and ((confident)), then after you've spent a few months sexually frustrated because you're acting like somebody you're not while your normal GF is blissfully unaware of how much of a freak you really are, she'll love you enough to treat you how you actually want to be treated".
If a girl isn't dominant, she's not dominant. You shouldn't spend time going after someone who thinks you wanting to be loved makes you a weirdo.
[spoiler]I'm not the guy you were replying to, btw[/spoiler]

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>>7331895
>I'm not the guy you were replying to, btw

I'm well aware of that. 'cause the guy I was replying to actually seems to be ok with his situation and only wants a woman to "take initiative once in a while", otherwise he's fine with traditional relationship.
He's not even into femdom (his words).
That's why I asked.

If he said that he wants female lead relationship but instead stuck in traditional one because he doesn't believe he could find a dominant woman, my advice would be different.

>The fetish, at it's fucking core, is about men not having to do everything for the woman as if she's a child

Yeah, it's about woman doing everything for man as if he's a child.
Not that I mind, obviously.

But dude, do you seriously suggest that communication should be thrown out of the window and your girlfriend is magically supposed to know how your fetishes should be catered to?

You guys seem to forget that most of men are actually into traditional relationship and prefer women to be submissive.
Just as the onus is put on you to be dominant and pursue relationship, the same happens to women - we're expected to be the prey.
If woman chases a guy she's viewed as a desperate failure and a weirdo.
A lot of men are outright put off by it.

I thought my ex was different 'cause I made the first step and initiated relationship.
But it didn't work out and one of the reasons he gave in the very end was "girls are supposed to be pretty and wait for men to take them, you take too much initiative, it's a turn-off"

Communication is important. You shouldn't expect your future partner to magically know your preferences, especially if they are non-mainstream.

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>>7331655
>It's funny, really. How many complaints we all have about opposite gender can be mirrored straight back.
>Men complain about how women want to suck them dry, yet end up falling head over heels for women who expect the man to do all the work.
>Women talk about what real man should do and how they deserve to be treated, and then go back home to their lazy husbands that can't even remember when their anniversary is.
that's an interesting observation
that makes me want to think that a lot of gfd/rr people are intelligent, because they're breaking away from the baser instincts that define humanity

>>7331620
>tfw you spend a longtime daydreaming about someone who doesn't exist.

Too true. Sometimes these daydreams are the only things that get me through the long days at work. At moments I zone out into my own imagination strong enough that it feels almost real. The other day I was running my own hand through my own hair because >I'msolonely.jpg and I zoned out into a gfd daydream and for the few minutes I was daydreaming my hand felt like it belonged to the miss in my daydream as I petted my own hair.

>>7331931
>it's about the woman doing everything for man as if he's a child.

I disagree. Sure I want to be called a good boy and I want to be pinned against a wall and fucked. I want her to be dominant and take the lead with regards to sex and the relationship but I still am aware that I have duties as an adult I still want to contribute financially via a job (I would feel guilty if I didn't) and I'm still open to taking some initiative e.g. planning cutesy dates. To me what makes it gfd is her personality, reactions and approach to what I do are dominant. I can't think of a better example so I'll give the example of the relationship between Daniel Faust and Caitlin from the Daniel Faust book series.

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>>7331943
That was a joke, anon, aimed at role reversal concept.

GFD, in my opinion, can have different flavors, there's no single golden ideal or standard of how all things should be done.

I, for example, love being "mommy" in relationship (even if I don't get called that).
That includes treating my bf like a little boy when I feel like it and taking care of him the same way: from washing his hair and clipping his nails, to making him meals and making sure he takes his medicine.
Little things like that.

Someone might find it patronizing and look for different kind of gfd altogether, like, prince and lady knight relationship, or cute househusband and business lady wife.
Different cakes, different tastes.

>you will never have your boyclit mercilessly teased while lying down, head on your mistress' lap, her free hand holding one of yours as she dotes on you, on how you're her cute little boy, enduring it all for her sake.

Just put me down already, anons.

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>>7331953
If you don't mind entertaining a creepy virgin
whats sex with you like?

>>7331953
Fair enough. Sounds cute

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>>7331967
Most of the time?
Pretty vanilla, when I think about it, except I'm the one who's more proactive.
I urge him to be a good boy and give me his cum, and praise him after he does for doing a good job.
I initiate most of the time, too.
Usually it boils down to me teasing him until he's ready, then I pick the position and that's how it goes.

I play with his butt when he lets me (unfortunately, not very often, and we have yet to try strap-on), love giving nursing handjobs.
Blowjobs and titjobs are fair game too when I feel like it.

That's how it often starts, to be honest. We're cuddling in bed, watching Netflix, my head is in his lap. At some point I just start playing with it and sucking on it lazily while it's still soft. 'cause I like feeling it grow hard in my mouth.
Then it depends on my mood and what he shyly asks for once I've teased him enough.

I like pinning him against the wall and kissing him.
Love teasing him when we take buses together too (can't wait for the summer).
We're both not too big on PDA, so obviously I try to be discreet.

I don't think my puppy likes rough stuff too much, so I stay away from it.
So there's that.

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Hi thread, I was wondering if I could ask for some advice.

Currently I'm in a fairly good relationship with my gf, mostly equal with her a bit more domme. (We're about to try moving in together.)

My problem is this - one of the things she enjoys/orgasms from most in bed is a hard/rough/fast fucking... but I cum way too early if I do that. When I do, it's also not as pleasurable for me as other modes of sex - it feels like I'm just ejaculating well before I have a chance to really enjoy the arousal, so the orgasm with it is nonexistent or weak too. (I've had great orgasms from other activities: oral, butt play, and sometimes even just from eating her out.) I've tried other methods to satisfy her and get her off, and while I usually do, ultimately it's often only after she's started using the one toy she's masturbated with for ages.

We've tried talking about it some, but it's obviously an embarrassing and sensitive topic for me. I know I don't want to try taking something like Viagra because heart attacks at young age run in my family a bit. I've tried using or masturbating with a cock ring before her, and it made my dick really hurt.

But I'm worried about satisfying her enough, especially if I can't do it some other way. And at the same time, its a little frustrating when she gets turned on and wants to jump to that penetration before I've really gotten into the mood.

It's not a bad enough issue to hurt our relationship, but I'd still like to find a way we can both enjoy the sex more.

>>7332005
Hard to find women who don't like to be orally pleased unless they are body conscious. Also, usually it lasts longer for men after their first orgasm. So you could cum first, please her while your refractory period lasts, and then go for penetration.

Also, don't think about the toy as competition. It's a tool in your arsenal. Use it as such.

>>7331895
>if the girl is not dominant she is not dominant
I have to painfully agree with you, for some strange twist of fate if people are not into it, they are not into it, forcing it only makes it awkward for both parties or even uncomfortable sorry anons

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Boys exist to be dominated, if you dont dominate your man you are a failure of a woman and should reconsider your life

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>>7332123

>>7328745
So how do people feel about what you might call supportive femdom? I remember one woman, bit older than me, kind and very supportive, obviously in an authoritative manner, wanting nothing but the best for me...
But the thing was, sex wise she was (she's more into "painless" domination now) a hardcore sadist, big on chastity and big strapons, body worship and service, teasing, urinal service, and that was before the whips, candles, needles et cetera, and that worked with whatever combinations of stress positions, sensory deprivation and long term bondage she wanted to try out.
So personality wise I'd say she acted in a classic gfd manner, old enough to be my mom but in no way mommydom, but sexual practice wise she acted as a flat-out torturer with extra rape play.

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>>7332175
>flat-out torturer with extra rape play.

That's not gentle.

>>7332005
Do it her way to please her occasionally and do it your way to please you occasionally.

>>7332252
>doing what you want instead of what your dom wants
In what kind of dream world do you live? Femdom is about leaving all descicions to your dom, not about taking descicions yourself, as such becouse of all the extra stress that you brimg upon her yoy must submit and always please her as she wants

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>>7328799
>Anyone else here obsessed with female pleasure?
Yes and no.

I'm not obsessed with the idea of the boy working his ass off the pleasure the woman while she just receives, and the subtext is that his pleasure doesn't matter or is at best a distant second. That's what the mainstream does - devalue male sexuality as anything other than a means to benefit women. It's a utilitarian worldview that turns men into tools instead of objects of beauty and desire.

The female pleasure that *I'm* obsessed with is the kind where she is so excited by the male body that she can get off just by rubbing against a boy, and she becomes overwhelmed with lust at the mere sight of male nudity. She's not lying there saying "Show me what you've got" and sitting in judgement. She's saying "Fuck yes, I've got a boy to fuck" and going after her pleasure herself.

I'm obsessed with the idea of women who lust for men the way men lust for women, and who find as much delight in the male body as men do in the female body.

>I think there is so much femdom porn and porn in general that focuses on the man's pleasure
I don't know where you're finding that, but most of the femdom porn I've found focuses a lot on the *denial* of men's pleasure. "You're a worthless piece of shit who doesn't even deserve to jerk off. Stay in your chastity device and be miserable, because you deserve to suffer."

>What do you think? Also are there any porn comics out there that focuses on the women's orgasms?
Pretty much all porn, as well as most of our culture's discourse about sex, focuses on women's orgasms. Our culture prioritizes female pleasure and a man's role as a tool to facilitate it.

Look at discussions about sexual dysfunctions, for example:
Vaginismus? Can't get wet? "What a tragedy that she can't enjoy sex. She deserves a full sex life."

A guy can't get hard? "What a loser who can't please a woman. He deserves to be ridiculed and humiliated and suffer in shame and isolation forever."

>>7329681
Sex serum. Permanently increases the sex drive tenfold, eliminates the refractory period, makes even the slightest stimulus cause a raging hardon, and vastly increases semen production. This is done so he can be made into the personal whore of a gentle domme somewhere.

...At least, that's what I'd like to think. And what I'd like to have done to me.

>>7330011
>Depends what you mean by clingy. Few people like a financial leech. Generally the ideal sub knows how to be a normal person as well as a sub.
There are plenty of "normal people" whose partners don't have a problem with them being a "financial leech", and who receive no condemnation from society for being a "leech". It's just that those particular normal people are disproportionately female.

>>7330436
I'm not the anon you're replying to, but I think it depends on what is meant by "/fit/".

If it means "Don't be overweight", I can live with that. I'm okay with just staying thin.

If it means "Become really muscular and traditionally masculine", then fuck that.

>>7330868
>Unless you're unironically trying to say that all(or a majority) unattractive men are stalkers and rapists, which is as stupid as saying all men are Hitlers-to-be.
There are a significant number of women who *do* say those things about men.

>>7331280
>But you'd be surprised at how many of men (attractive or not) can't take rejection politely or continue to be pushy ('cause of the whole "be confident and dominant" meme society's forcing down their throats).
Or the whole "You have to fight for every bit of sex you'll ever get" meme that society, and many women, and most dating advice, force down their throats.

A woman can deal with not getting laid right now because she knows she probably won't have to worry about going without for long. On the other hand, a man knows that opportunities for him are few and far between, and that he'll never get anything if he doesn't aggressively and undauntedly pursue it, so he's more reluctant to let go of any one particular opportunity.

It's not a fault in a man's character. It's a consequence of a man's circumstances.

>>7331541
>I'm just saying the situation is both created by men and women together.
It's created mostly by women.

Have a look at this:
http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2010/11/20/do-men-or-women-have-fantasies-of-dominance-and-submission-the-results-noh/

Some things that stand out:
- Men like the submissive fantasy even more than women do.

- Men like the submissive fantasy more than the dominant fantasy.

- Women like men to be dominant more than men like to be dominant.

The current situation is not men's fault.

>>7332346
This looks like bait but I'm still going to bite. in the real world I have my boundaries. I'm not into body modification of any kind, I'm not into any real pain other than scratching, biting, a bit of roughness, I'm not into poo or pee or sweat. So any Domme I get with would have to respect these boundaries if I decide to say no to them. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Even in a Dom/Sub relationship both parties have to communicate and have enough mutual respect to do what makes the other happy/do what's best for each other and neither should force things or feel forced to do things that they're truly not happy with (excluding the fake forced things e.g like if he gets embarrassed from being teased in public and asks her stop but she knows that he secretly loves it and carries on. That could be seen as forced but while he seems to want it to stop on one level he loves it so much more on a deeper level)

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>>7329668
best post itt

>>7332598
Love that image. Don't see enough pics of the domme making the sub suck on their fingers

>>7329891
Holy shit this is all i want.
Some sweaty feets and pits to play with and worship after i cook them a healthy fivestar lunch in my fave apron

;--; Plz be in Texas

>>7332723
>worship
Disgusting.

Am I the only one in this thread who doesn't want some weird cuck-tier shit?

>>7332764
Nope. I'm into worship either. I want to be cherished yup and I'd like to give up control and call them miss but I've never been into the whole "I'm a slave and you're my goddess thing"

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>>7332493
>>7332505
>"You have to fight for every bit of sex you'll ever get" meme that society, and many women, and most dating advice, force down their throats.

It's created by men. Man who gets approached by women without effort is hard competition so they want to remove it.

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>>7332598
Fuck off, your kind are not welcome. OP better make sure only gentle femdom and role reversal are in the thread title next time, merging this with mainstream femdom has been a disaster.

>>7332764
No, the problem is that the title has attracted all the people into mainstream femdom here.

>any woman who's a 2/10 or higher has the opportunity to be a housewife and have a man take care of all her needs
>you have effectively zero chance of ever becoming a househusband no matter how attractive you are or how good you are at domestic skills

Feels bad man

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>>7332857
>Fuck off, your kind are not welcome.
Sorry mate, but thread title says otherwise.

>cute small girl with short hair
>surprisingly big and round butt and tits
>strong willed, energetic, yet gentle and caring at the same time
>we both play rugby for the same club
>lesbian, "male" of the couple

Why is 3D life so cruel fellow anons

>>7328817
that's just what she tells you

>>7332871
Honestly I wouldn't mind working (since i like being productive) and coming home to a gentle mistress but even that seems to have 0 chance of ever happening.

>>7331446
oh hey that's meme50 right? good shit

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>>7329855
>my normie friends say i'm scary obsessed

How do they know? Have you told them?

>>7332493
You are factually wrong, the older the woman gets the less physical value they have
When men age it is true that they also get lose physical value, however they obtain a large economic value worth, it is a simply investment, Chad, we know you might have banged stacy instead of studying and now you are doomed to forever work in McDonalds and support your 2 unwanted children.
Have fun thinking that I as a 50 year old dude fuck your daugther every day as she calls me daddy, all I gotta do is buy her some expensive stuff and she will consent to all my fetishes.
You see, all woman are sluts, if you offer enough money they always yield

>>7332424
>>7332493
>>7332505

You sound insufferable, to be honest.
There's a reason why men avoid dating feminists.
MRA activists seem to be equally as bad and annoying.
For your sake, I hope you hide that shit well 'cause any girl would run far away from you as soon as she caught on to what you're actually thinking about their gender.
Dominant or not.

>>7329855
Your "friends" are literally mentally under-developed apes that can only wish to understand autism

>>7333132
You sound like an annoying cunt, let me remind you that you are here becouse you have mommy issues

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>>7333140
>you have mommy issues

You say it as if it's something bad.

HINT: it's not. It's actually cute.

What an interesting god damn thread.

Here's my problem. I realy really want to be respectful to women and make them feel comfortable, and not be a creep. And it's easy enough, I just don't press on anything I think might make girls uncomfortable, I never bring up sex unless they do, and I try to talk to them like any normal human. I mean fuck, I see so much evidence of the shit guys spew constantly:
https://twitter.com/str8boytexts?s=09

Basically I don't want to be the anon who replies to the cool femanon, asking if they can be my girlfriend, because that backs them into a corner and is just a shitty thing to do. If we want the perception of guys being creepy to go away, more guys have to opt to not do creepy shit. Or at least, that's how I see it.

HOWEVER... In my effort to avoid making all the girls I know uncomfortable, I think I might have accidentally established a perception that I'm fucking asexual. Which is obviously not the case considering I'm on /d/ but I've literally never had a girlfriend because of this attitude. I've had girls approach ME, but none of it's gone anywhere because I'm constantly walking on eggshells.

I don't want any of this to sound conceited or martyr-ish. Because that's the "Nice Guy" end of the spectrum where you get this weird idea that girls owe you something romantic in return for basic human decency. That's just as creepy as the opposite behavior I was talking about.

But I'm stuck in the middle of the two extremes. I see so many times where a girl actually does something really cute or beautiful, but SAYING that would feel like unnecessary harassment? I just want to be honest with people (like rn), but there's a barrier of creepiness that would make it come across as something other than honesty.

I don't even know if I'm looking for advice, but I guess if you've got some, don't hesitate. In particular I'd be interested in a female perspective here, and I hope you can trust me that it's out of genuine psychological interest.

>>7333180
lol nigga
women don't like being treated with respect

>>7333150
If you have mommy issues you end up like this beta faggot
>>7328745

Why has our beloved /d/ de-volved into talking about fucking roasties, they are literally disgusting heaps of flesh.
My pure anime waifu on the other side...

>>7333180
>so many times where a girl actually does something really cute or beautiful

Explain. Do you mean things they do intentionally or unintentionally?

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>>7333180
Oh man, that's a tricky one.

Do you actually like any of those girls? Like, have a crush on any of them?

If a girl is positively responding to you in general, likes talking to you and initiates contact (and you know for a fact she's single), then all you can do is take a plunge and return it back.

If girls approach you, but you never initiate contact back on your own (only talk to them when they message you first, or only hang out in company or when they approach you first), obviously they are going to take that as a sign you're not interested.

>I see so many times where a girl actually does something really cute or beautiful, but SAYING that would feel like unnecessary harassment?

Genuine compliments are not creepy. If you already have friendly relationship with a girl, you can go for that, once in a while.
Girls like it when you compliment them on things they actually do or put effort in.

>>7333221
But boys with mommy issues are cute. CUTE.

>>7333180
I used to think I was asexual. But in truth I'm stupid and suck at COMMUNICATION so iv'e never had a girlfriend. I figure how you communicate is the deciding factor in all kinds of relationships.

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>>7331655
>Have you ever tried discussing your wishes with her?
It's just not in her nature. And I'm fine with that, I've got a lot of other reasons to love her. And though I have to take the lead she eagerly and enthusiastically follows; she is adorably and gleefully submissive, and that has its own charm.

>I'm happier in my second relationship.
Ah, I misunderstood your prior post to be referring to both of your relationships in the past tense, and took you for being more jaded than you really are. Glad it's working out for you.

>>7333377
Anon, I don't usually intervene in these issues, but I just felt compelled to point out the fact that those digits are tremendous.

>>7331620
Could it be that you just haven't met them yet, anon?

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>>7333540
How're you doing, bud?

>>7333540
>>7333556
This isn't gfd. Enjoy your ban.

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>>7333551
Doubtful, since what I want is very specific and I refuse to abandon/lower my standards.

>>7333572
What is it that you want?

>>7329632
All action words?

>>7333264
>intentionally or unintentionally?
Hmm, unintentional?

For instance, I have a very particular taste in fashion that I'm honestly pretty passionate about, but usually keep under wraps because no one cares. Sometimes a girl will wear a cute blue sundress that's just right up my alley, and I'd like to tell them so, to encourage them wear that kind of clothing more often. But at the same time, telling them so in the explicit hope that they'll cater to my tastes seems kinda shitty, and trying to explain a whole bunch of caveats alongside my compliment so that they "don't feel pressured to listen to me, I just really like it" would be much worse...

...Or it could also be as simple as: any girl posts a picture of herself online, and instantly gets 5 guys complimenting the photo. I mean, I think the photo is worth a compliment too, but at a certain point too many guys with the same sentiment blur together and lose meaning. All I can think is that if I were a girl and I got 5 compliments for every photo of myself I posted on the internet, I'd start to distrust the individual ones.

>>7333377
I really appreciate the reassurance a lot, that was a great post! I'll take it all to heart. Although I will add that having mommy issues is not fun. My mom is a genuinely volatile and distrustful person, and it's a miracle I can function in society considering how poorly she does. I also guarantee that she's where I learned to constantly walk on eggshells, because I never knew what was going to set her off. It doesn't bother me that having those issues is apparently cute to some girls, I'm just saying I've had to really work through it.

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>>7333127
You seem to think that all men automatically become rich.

They fucking don't.

You also seem to believe that all men are comfortable and happy with the sugar daddy role.

They're fucking not.

>>7333132
Yes, how dare anyone point out that men have actual problems and that it isn't all their fault! And God forbid *anyone* imply that *women* might be in *any* way responsible or have *any* flaws!

A good domme would be smart enough to recognize those issues and have enough actual empathy for men to support men who speak out against them. A woman who would run away from me for pointing those things out is a woman I don't want to submit to anyway.

I also noticed that you didn't actually address a single one of my points, and went straight for the good old Pink Whip instead.

In conclusion: Fuck off.

>>7332126
I've seen a bunch of fanart of 2B carrying 9S like that. Is that something that actually happens in the game?

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>>7333636
Eh, I'm too lazy to write it down so here is the chart I made using the Yandere and the GFD ones.

Add to it virgin ('cause I'm one and I have an autistic dream about losing it to another virgin in a not really role reversal/femdom/maledom/traditional role way), bag under eyes and interest for ancient history.

I'm fully aware this kind of women doesn't exist and even if it did she wouldn't love me at all. But I will autistically stick to it until my bitter end or until robot girl exist.

Till any of that happens I will live my life for the best and try to have a nice comfortable life and not obsesses over something like not having a qt gfd gf or being a virgin.

>>7333560
Ban check.

Sorry, I thought rr necessitated gfd primarily due to the fact that there are frequent "/gfd/ and /rr/ in the same topic. However, after looking back the OP does specify Femdom.

A-are there any doms in this thread that like to do erp by any chance?

>>7333776
yo can you post the whole chart? or what can i google to make my own chart?

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>>7333819
Which one? The GFD one is here: >>7331067 >>7331065

If you are talking about the yandere one, I could post it in the yandere thread if you want, because I don't want to post more unrelated material in the thread.

>>7332764
I like worship but not cuck stuff. One does not necessitate the other.

>>7333132
Man here, happily dating a feminist. No problems.

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>>7333721
You seem to blame women for literally everything and hold it against them, and justify questionable men's behavior by saying it's women's fault.

You also take out the worst examples of women's behavior and paint them as a standard, while conveniently forgetting how men act the same and perpetuate the same behavior themselves.

But no, it can't be joint problem men and women created together.
It can only be one gender's fault.

Like this:
>Our culture prioritizes female pleasure and a man's role as a tool to facilitate it.

Is this women's fault in your opinion? is this women who actively enforce "if you can't make woman cum with your dick, you're a loser"? Is it women who actively support the myth "all women can cum vaginally, if yours didn't it means you weren't good enough"? Or "if you can't cum vaginally, you're a frigid bitch?"

Or is it because men also get quite a bit of ego trip when they can make a woman feel good?

It's one thing to recognize the issues we need to deal with: expectation of masculinity from men, the pressure on men to always initiate relationships.

But the way you present it and the way you justify bad behavior of men as solely (or mostly) women's fault leaves bad after-taste and is highly unattractive.

No woman is going to listen to you after you say "Men act like creeps and rapists because you women force them to pursue you and initiate", That's too much.

>>7333826
yeah that would be rad ty friend <3

>>7333846
Here you go: >>7333847

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I know it's a bit of a champagne problem, but I'm 6'3, wide (Not as in fat? But broad shouldered and somewhat barrel chested), with facial and body hair and whatever the male equivalent of a resting bitch face is. Like, I'll be relaxing, and people will ask what made me mad, or something, but... Goddammit, I want to be treated as cute. I want to be cuddled and cared for and be a sub, not fucking "Daddy".

I want to be pursued, too. But, you know, I want a black unicorn to ride down the side of a volcano as well. Just something else I'm not getting.

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>>7333883
Oh please.

Cuteness is all about behavior, not just appearance.

My sub is also broad shouldered and a THICC boy in general. Doesn't stop me from feeling like he's the cutest boy in the whole word and treating him the same way.

Don't let your dreams be dreams.

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>>7333906
Well, I will also admit that sociatal pressures to appear "Manly" combined I'm living in a rather homophobic part of the country could lead to people thinking my submissive/cute behavior is that of a submissive gay man. I mean, I am bi, but I tend to take the leading role when I swing that way.

And being raised by a single mother who seemed intent on making me incredibly manly (FOR SOME FUCKING REASON I TOLD YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN MOM I FUCKING HATE SPORTS JUST LET ME BE ME PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GODDAMIT) and now I find it hard not to act emotionally stony. If I did have someone, I would have no issue behaving that way.

>>7333906
>My sub is Chad tee hee xd he's so cute

these 'dommes' are always the same.

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>>7333956
Anyone who has a gf is Chad by your standards.

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>>7333930
Anon, are you aware of what "gap moe" is, btw?
You can qualify as that.
Stoic stony faced men can be cute too, especially when they try really hard not to show it but it slips out anyway.
So don't lose hope. You are already cute.

I sincerely wish you meet a nice girl that will let you be you and wants to be your "big" spoon.

This thread reminds me why so few femanons are on this site lmfao.

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>>7333988
Honestly... thank you. This legitimately made me smile and tear up a bit. It's so rare to hear anyone say anything positive about me that... it means a lot. Again, thank you.

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ITT: attention whore makes the entire thread about herself.
Can't females go somewhere else? Why do you have to intrude on men's spaces? Don't you understand what you're doing?

>>7334121
Cry harder

>>7334129
She's not going to fuck you bro, she's not even going to ERP with you on Discord, sorry to tell you. :(

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>>7334121
>Why do you have to intrude on men's spaces?
Because your tears are delicious.

>>7334137
No shit sherlock, I'm just simply ignoring it instead of crying about it.

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>>7333883
>But, you know, I want a black unicorn to ride down the side of a volcano as well

I get that reference

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>>7334139
It just makes you look like an insecure little girl who resents her natural role, but whatever makes you feel better I guess.

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>>7334190
>whatever makes you feel better I guess

These threads and cute posts make me feel better.
Glad we reached an agreement.

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>>7333956
Really makes you think when even those dommes who claim to be into gfd or rr still want a big strong man as a meat shield and bodyguard (and to 'sort out' the less manly men' as Spiderbutt infamously said). Makes me wonder if it's conscious and a result of upbringing or the result of evolution.

>>7334045
>how dare men not want to be disposable providers and protectors! muh soggy knees!

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>>7334231
So are you basically saying that guys that are not small, weak and enough feminine looking should not be allowed to like gfd?
Are you saying that they don't deserve to be loved and cuddled?

I fell for my qt long before I was aware of his physical form.
It just so happened that he has broad shoulders, belly and roughly the same height as me.
Would have loved him just as much if he was frail little one too.
Appearances don't matter as much as what's inside.
Every boy has something cute about them and something to appreciate about their body, tall or short, chubby or thin, masculine or feminine (and everything in between).

Is anybody else having problems with the discord link?

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>>7334260
Manly men can't be into gfd by definition. A large fit guy could practically kill any woman with his bare hands, so how could he ever feel like his gf is dominating him? If he was actually a sub he would be disgusted by the idea of being so much stronger than his domme.

>but he didn't choose to look manly!
It takes work to maintain muscle mass, if he really wanted to be submissive it wouldn't be hard for him to lose his muscles. And while you can't change your facial features, you can change your hairstyle, grooming, wardrobe, etc. Masculine "subs" make the choice to be masculine, because they're not really subs, they are typical males who think they're submissive because they eat pussy sometimes.

>>7334273
Sorry mate, but I'm of the opinion that you're mistaken.

>>7334278
Care to elaborate or did you just want to be smug?

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>>7334273
Dude, you do realize that even an average guy with no trained muscle mass is going to be stronger than the trained woman?
Women are physically weaker than men. That's just how it is.

So breaking news, guys: if you're tallen than 5'3" and weigh more than 50 kg, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE THREAD FUCKING CHADS.
Or break your spine and become physically disabled, that works too.

Oh, and all dommes that are not 6" and higher, and on steroids, should be disqualified too.
Don't ever try to fool yourself you could actually be into femdom if you're 5'2" girl, you couldn't possibly ever be physically strong enough.

You must be a troll.

Submission should always be a choice, one made out of love, no matter how weak or strong both parties are.

>>7328817
You are fake news.

>>7334282
What was even slightly smug about that comment?

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I don't know whether or not I should get my hair cut(hitler youth style) or let it continue to grow even more into a /cuteboy/ look. I don't want to
look threatening but at the same time the Hitler youth haircut looks sharp as hell.

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>>7334306
Exactly, women are physically weaker than men in general, which makes the idea of a buff dude being dominated by a woman even more ridiculous. Real submissive men want to be thin and delicate so that they have less physical power over their domme. A scrawny guy is still stronger than many women, but it isn't as blatantly obvious as when you see a muscular man next to an average girl.

>if you're tallen than 5'3" and weigh more than 50 kg, GET THE FUCK OUT
Well, you don't get to choose your height, but you can change your body. I'm 6'2, so I'm unlikely to find a domme who's taller than me, tallest girl I've dated was 5'10. But I worked hard to get down to 115 lbs so I could be a cute, fragile boy for my domme. The idea of being a ripped hunk disgusts me, as it should any submissive male.

>>7334336
Let it grow so you get petted.

>>7334344
>Real submissive men.

Smells like some No True Scotsman up in here.

Submissiveness is in the mind, not in the body yo. Besides you're instantly assuming all Doms in relationships want someone they can easily walk over, instead of breaking in and tearing down people who are physically stronger. Sometimes Doms like a submissive who's as strong/stronger than them, because it makes their submission even grander in scale.

It's just like some subs like doms who are more fragile then them, because it adds an extra sense of humiliation, because you CAN over power them physically, but you WON'T.

But whatever, enjoy your narrow viewpoint.

>>7334344
>being a ripped hunk disgusts me

so you become anorexic? im 6'2" and weigh like 155 and anything less than that and i start looking like a methhead, i can only imagine that id look like a nearly dead cancer patient at 115, not to mention how shitty my overall health would be. you might want to consider being a "bad sub" and not dying at like 45.

>women are physically weaker than men in general, which makes the idea of a buff dude being dominated by a woman even more ridiculous

are you really so boring or closeminded that physical domination is all you base the fetish on? emotional domination is way hotter and personally i think its almost better to be submissive to a girl who is "weaker" than you, because it serves as a constant reminder that the devotion you have for her and your total mental dependence on her completely nullifies your physical superiority, even if you could technically force your way.

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>>7334458
>Submissiveness is in the mind, not in the body yo.
The brain is as much a part of the body as anything else. There is a limit to the types of personality that a combintion of brain chemistry and life experience can create. While I personally believe in caring female doms seeking reversed roles in a relationship, it's not at all a given that people like that HAVE TO exist somewhere.

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why do we have to be here with the fucking amputee threads and all that?

are we really that sick minded?

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>>7334594
Specificity of fetish is what determines our placement.

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>>7334594
It's sad isn't it? Most people find the idea of men being valued and loved as disgusting as vore or diapers.

>>7334572
>the brain is as much a part of the body as anything else

...

>>7334613
>>7334594

Then go to /h/, as long as the images don't break the rules, gfd would easily comply with /h/

>>7334598
What is going on in this picture?

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>>7334344
>Real submissive men

Yeah, ok.
I thought you'd have more sympathy for your fellow brothers, but you're no better than any woman that makes demands about how real man should be big, strong and rich.
You're still just as sexist as them.

>The idea of being a ripped hunk disgusts me, as it should any submissive male.
>disgusts me
>waah stop liking what I don't like only my opinions and tastes matter

Dude, are you on a spectrum or something?
You seem to be obsessed with a very precise fantasy of how subs and dommes should be and reject anything that doesn't fall into your very narrow requirements.
It's fine to want what you want for yourself.
But you seem to be trying to enforce it as a standard and dictate how other people should feel on the matter.
Not cool.

There are understandable limits on what should be in the threads, i.e. torture, degradation and other rough stuff don't belong here, because it's GENTLE femdom.

But everything else with the woman lovingly taking the lead in relationship and sex, and the man willingly submitting to her should be fair game.

Whether it's /fit/ domme with fragile little boy, or petite domme with her gentle giant.

You don't get to decide what man can or can't be submissive.
You can only decide for yourself.

>>7335006
What this anon said is 100% correct. I'm 6 foot and I'm naturally built big it's fat or fit for me unless I starved myself which isn't healthy and gentle femdom is what I like how I am shouldn't determine that

>>7334271
None of the Discord links are working for me either

>>7335006
this, 6'3'' and built large, huge shoulders, huge hips, a ribcage like a keg, you get the idea, no amount of starvation will change my big bones, but my size doesn't control my personality.

so should I just be a fatass or an emaciated skelly with a creepy hourglass shape? or should I try to be fit? at least a fit me can be useful, or that's how I try to look at it.

>>7330991
>"You're a fucking waste of space, you're so pathetic taking my strap-on in the ass like a dirty worthless slut"

Feminists.

>"That's it sweetie. Be a good boy take my strap on. I'm so proud that you're doing this for me".

Women who don't ''''''''identify''''''''''' themselves as feminists.

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>>7335047
>>7335203

You should be able to like yourself, first and foremost.
So strive for the appearance you're most comfortable with (as long as it doesn't extremely endanger your health).

Every body type has its perks and admirers.

>>7334613
Welp, that's a pairing I never would have sexualized until now.

>>7331996
New to these threads, glad to know people like this exist, lucky guy

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>>7335278
i'm the 203 anon, thanks. gonna try not to be too spergy but no one's ever said anything like that to me before, thank you.

nah I still feel spergy, just take the picture and ignore me

>>7328817

I guess all those dildo and magic wand companies are selling snake-oil then

>>7333180
>I'm constantly walking on eggshells.

Then stop doing that. It's far better for women to think of you as a vulgar, sexually-forward proto-rapist pseudomisogynist than an asexual eunich.

Vulgar, sexually-forward proto-rapist pseudomisogynists get laid all the time. Guys who never dare say/do anything sexual, not so much.

>>7331899
where is this from?!

>>7335345
Can't soewk for everyone, but this is not about sex of getting laid, it's about being loved.

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>>7335307
You're welcome! Just remember, being cute is about your mindset, not appearance!

Also that's a very pretty picture, thanks, anon.

>>7335509
Can confirm this. I'm a fairly muscular guy (ex rugby play, current martial artist), so I guess if I wore the right stuff I might look pretty scary. My most recent ex would only ever call me cute after she discovered I enjoy being a sub. Apparently she had wanted to call me cute since she met me because I'm so clumsy, adore physical contact like cuddling, and I moan like a girl. Also, I just dress in pretty plain clothing that has minimal patterns, like stripes, and have fairly long hair, so maybe that adds to it.

>>7330675
I know. Being forced to be independent is just making me wish I had a gfd to take care of me. I don't want to be a pet or a slave, I just want someone I trust who cares about me.

>>7335498
>but this is not about sex of getting laid

Anon, I don't...

>>7335575
I mean I like my independence and being self sufficient. What I lack is someone who I can trust to be there for me and accept me/value me for who I am. I'm an ex-religious person from a strict religious background I have to keep a lot about who I really am, what I really like, what my true beliefs and desires are secret to avoid hurting them with the truth (and to avoid risking being harmed/disowned myself) It's exhausting. I would so just love to come home to someone who I can trust with all my secrets and who'd love and cherish me regardless. There's more to my gfd desire than just that but when I try to trace it back to find a root cause I can't really find one thing in particular it seems to be a combination of small things.

>>7335391
https://nhentai.net/g/178931/
L2 Reverse image search it isn't that fucking hard

>>7335275
Most women who don't identify as feminists are still feminists at heart, and you should stay away from them.

>>7328817
You should consider reading those penis enlargment ads.

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Why do women hate submissive men?

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Holy shit, what is wrong with this general.

Came in here for nursing handjobs from gentle cakes to soothe my mazacon and like two thirds of the posts consist of attention whores baiting spergs into /r9k/ arguments and overly personal blogshit. The rest of /d/ isn't like this, is it?

>>7335751
Just ignore it and don't blog about it yourself.

>>7335702

Because the virtue of one sex becomes a vice when it's transferred onto the opposite sex

>>7335840
Why is that?

>>7335702
Because evolutionary biology.

Submissive men and dominate women will continue to be the minority until radical changes to society happen. Either a push towards matriarchy (because egalitarian societies tend to help perpetuate the male=provider thing), or a post-scarcity world where everything is easily available and men don't have to be providers.

Blame biology and the fact societies flourished based on what worked based on biology.

>>7328900
>>7331592
https://nhentai.net/g/71602/

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>>7335515
I don't really know where I fit when it comes to body types and how they relate to gfd. I'm six foot with broad shoulders. I've got a bit of a baby face (been told i have "pinchable" cheeks, whatever that means), but I keep a trimmed beard and moustache which mitigates that. My body isn't super skinny but not super fat. I've got more than an average amount of chest hair and a bit of a belly but not enough to call myself "chubby" and I've started exercising regularly to stop myself becoming fat. I have almost no upper body strength. My sister and mom can beat me in arm wrestles. Which usually would be embarrassing to admit but I guess this means that it would be easy for a hypothetical girl into gfd to pin me against a wall and have her way like I've always fantasized about. I'm also probably going to start going bald soon (thanks hereditary baldness) some elements of my physique and appearance are stereotypically "cute boy" and other elements are more "traditional masculine". It's a weird middle ground that I'm in.