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Role-Reversal and Gentle Femdom General

>related hentai
>greentext
>monster girls
>general lewdness
>doujinshi recommendations
>anime/manga recommendations
>preferably recommendations that are on-topic
>cuteposting
>vocaroos

>What is Role Reversal?
http://rolereversalreader.tumblr.com/post/108492906077/finished-the-faq-for-relationship-role-reversal

New Map:
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1618907
Old Role Reversal Map:
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1239585#

FetLife Group
https://fetlife.com/groups/121948

irc channel: irc.irchighway.net , #gfd

/rr/ and /gfd/ megapastebins:
http://pastebin.com/7NfGfusP
http://pastebin.com/evbfjazh

New doujin list
http://pastebin.com/BjvGSkMi

GFD masterpost
http://pastebin.com/PNpCd606

GFD discord
https://discord.gg/2vFVcdd

Forum:
http://gfdrr.freeforums.net/
8ch board (allows 3DPD):
http://8ch net/gfd/

Being a manlet is even a bad thing here as well edition.
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So how did all you guys get or think you got into this
For me it was
>be me around 12
>cousins friend around 18 always gave me attention
>she was way into drugs and alcohol probably herself had something similar happen
>one day she took me into a room
>she pinned me down
>kissed me gave me the positive attention I wasn't really given
>she forced me to have sex with her
That's why I think I like this so much
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Hope the guy who made this story:

>http://pastebin.com/bMiTvcB7

Does not mind it being reposted, I like it.
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>>7286923
If real, you lucky bastard.

>4 years ago, be16 year old, 6'5, virgin by choice, not kissless
>Taken into college, Start taking engineering courses
>Realize as the autist I am that most women there were vapid self absorbed cunts, rest were taken
>Few liked me as a loner, the few who did wanted me to be a power top
>Women think I'm 24; they split like the red sea when I say my real age
>Imagine how great things could be if a woman actually had the confidence to initiate
>Want gf who cares for me as I do for her
>Want gf who might like me when I'm not in prime age of 25-30

Tldr Fuck normies.
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>>7286830

Why does the idea of being Called a Good boy or wearing a collar and leash make me melt so much ?
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>>7287098
>>7287099
>16 years old
>4 years ago, be 16 year old
don't pretend like you can just get away with this.
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From the last thread:
>>7281189
>women are treated like they're valuable and beautiful without having to "earn" it
You know what's funny about that whole issue? I feel like if people/women considered me inherently valuable even if I didn't do anything to "earn" it (except for staying in shape and stuff, which I'm fine with), I'd probably be inclined to try to accomplish things. But being told I *have* to do that or I'll be thrown into the trash and treated as subhuman just makes me want to tell people to go fuck themselves and do nothing.
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>>7287099
The whole thing messed me up for a long while don't get me wrong now I don't hold anything against her but it definitely is partly the reason I have a hard time both trusting and approaching women
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>>7287123
For me, it's the fact that I have an Alpha personality. I'm confident and outgoing in social situations, and I typically take charge when I can. Having the opportunity to let all responsibility go and have someone dote on you like a pet, where your only goal or focus is to please them sounds perfect.
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>>7287273
Fuck off.
People like you are what's ruining our community.
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>>7287288
Don't see how it's ruining "muh community" it's just one guys opinion
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>>7287302
>one guy
Don't pretend to be someone else.

This community is about valuing men for who they are, and giving them inherent value. It's not about the mainstream assumption that men are worthless unless they're "alpha" workhorses, which you subscribe to. Just because you want to get pegged doesn't mean you belong here.
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>>7287305
>It's not about the mainstream assumption that men are worthless unless they're "alpha" workhorses

I don't think that's what he was getting at. It seems to me that it's more about being able to let go of your mental and emotional burdens by handing someone else the reigns, I don't think that implies "worthlessness."

>This community is about valuing men for who they are, and giving them inherent value.

This is personally my biggest draw to this, and it's also why I can relate to the anon you're replying to. I grew up being the emotional rock for my mother and brother, and I had no one I could turn to when things got tough for me, so I've had to keep it all inside. I would really love for someone else to be strong for me for a change so I could cast off that hardness, just for a little while, and feel freedom. Someone willing do to that for me wouldn't make me feel worthless, it'd make me feel cared for and valued.
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>>7287305
>>7287305

Lol I am a different guy. I'm the one he was replying to originally.

>>7287326
Exactly. I don't see how admitting to being "alpha" in some situations conflicts with the need to be loved and cherished. After all most Dominants are Alpha as fuck and even they sometimes need a break from it.

And FYI nobody "subscribed" to anything. They're just saying how they are in some situations and how gfd/rr can be a welcome relief from those situations.
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>>7286793
>discord
>for a bunch of submissive guys into the same thing

Why would anyone do this
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>>7287305
It's still one guy's opinion. What you just said isn't inherently right or wrong wither.

Stop being a fucking sperg.
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>>7287421
>stop being a sperg
do you know what thread you're in? people hate this community for a reason
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>>7287425
I'm new, and frankly it seems like it's from people like you who hear an opinion they don't like and sperg out like an idiot
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>>7287425
>people hate this community for a reason

Yeah, they hate it for the autists that get mad when others have the same fetish for different reasons than they do.
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>>7287425
I just got here, read "someones being a sperg" and reacted to how stupid that sounds given the thread this is and its reputation. If you assume everyone who disagrees with you is the same person you run the risk of looking pretty foolish anon. I don't give a fuck what the argument is about, everyone in this thread myself included is a sperg just for being in it. Everyone hates us. There are people who have never visited /d/ but know about this thread and to avoid it if they ever DO come here.
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>>7286844
>>7286842
>>7286835
>>7286828
>>7286823

Sauce?
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The amount of caveman type aggression that goes on here over other people having different perspectives makes me wonder how anyone could find any of us cute or think we're submissive. Just shows how reality and fantasy is so far apart desu
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>>7287465
I'm confused how a nice thread about us guys being treated nicely and loved in a certain way could turn into everybody bagging on each other this is the mentality that destroys protests and movements why let it destroy us?
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>>7287477
Agreed. I personally take the perspective that if someone is into it for their own reasons good for them. If they agree with me wonderful. If they don't we can share why and agree to disagree or I can just ignore them and carry on with my own reasons. I don't get why people feel the need to gatekeep on who's allowed to be into what when a major element of it is subjective and based on pure emotion
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>>7287465
>>7287477
The thing is that it doesn't take long for "Hey, I like being an attack dog sub" to become "Attack dog subs are the only true subs. All you guys who want to be pure subs and gentle objects of desire are a bunch of losers who just want a mommy. Pathetic."

/gfd/ as a concept is a bit fragile and vulnerable to being co-opted, because it's kind of new and goes against so many entrenched norms. So the guys here can get a little defensive when it looks like someone might be trying to redefine it to make it fit in with mainstream gender roles.
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>>7287489

> if you're a submissive who never wants responsibility and wants care and affection 24/7 that's OK

>If you're a submissive who is "alpha" at work or in some situations but you need to be the submissive in a relationship (or other such arrangement) receiving love and affection in order to escape the pressure and feel emotionally fulfilled that's also OK.

>gfd/rr isn't for guys who are stereotypically Dominant in all situations and who aren't attracted to the idea of being submissive or think that men being submissive is somehow wrong and that wanting to receive love and affection is pathetic.
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Now that's settled let's get back to posting cutesy goodness.
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>Decided to play with nipples in shower the other day. Realized they're surprisingly sensitive.
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I was going to post just one pic from this but the whole thing is too good not to share http://hentai2read.com/a_good_boys_gift/1/1/
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>If you're a submissive who is "alpha" at work or in some situations but you need to be the submissive in a relationship (or other such arrangement) receiving love and affection in order to escape the pressure and feel emotionally fulfilled that's also OK.

No.
You're transparently trying to subvert the ethos of our community to accommodate mainstream gender roles. If you are an "alpha" who likes to be submissive in the bedroom, then the entire mainstream femdom community is designed to cater to you. You have no need to infiltrate our community and try to bend it to your desires.
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>>7287616
Oh Great one enlighten me as to the "ethos" first we're a "community" now we have an "ethos" What's next? "gfd/rr is a religion of peace"?

The mainstream femdom doesn't necessarily accommodate for bedroom subs since most of mainstream femdom is obsessed with calling men dogs, degradation, women in leather rather than casual comfy clothes, humiliation and pain. Gentle Femdom either has very light versions of these or it's non-existant so someone who is a bedroom submissive can be attracted to gentle femdom if they're not into all those aspects of mainstream femdom.
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>>7287616
>If you are an "alpha" who likes to be submissive in the bedroom, then the entire mainstream femdom community is designed to cater to you. You have no need to infiltrate our community and try to bend it to your desires.

What exactly is mainstream femdom and how does it differ from this? If you're implying that mainstream femdom is the rougher kind, then isn't this supposed to be the haven for people who like it more gentle and caring? Is there something wrong with being a sub exclusively in the bedroom?
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>>7287650
You make a good point, why isn't gentle femdom popular in the mainstream femdom community? It's because an 'alpha' who is into 'gentle femdom, but only in the bedroom' is just a normal fucking guy. Enjoying cuddling, or liking your gf to be on top sometimes, is not a fetish, it's absolutely normal and extremely common. I wouldn't even go so far as to call it femdom. What is unusual is wanting to live a rr/gfd LIFESTYLE. That is what these threads are about, it's why they're in /d/ and not /h/, and it's why people who say "I'm a 6'5 buff alpha male who makes 100k a year but sometimes I like it when my gf pets my hair" are not welcome.
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>>7287685
Not welcome according to you. The rest of us here are either apathetic or welcoming. Bedroom sub's also like to be tied up, called "a good boy", have their girl take the lead in most aspects of the private matters in the relationship. Maybe you have a point that the cuddlier stuff like hair petting and receiving cuddles are relatively vanilla yet everyone knows that in vanilla relationships it's the guy who provides this affection and very rarely gets it in return. Mutual affection is not as vanilla as it should be and so guys turn to gfd/rr since those gender norms that you were complaining about also means they are left without the affection and love that they crave. If I tell a vanilla girl that after a long day of having responsibility and being alpha at work I want to come home put my head on her lap and have her call me a good boy as she strokes my hair and then have her seduce me and peg me while she kisses my neck she would laugh in my face and I'd have no chance. If I told a girl who is dominant and into gentle femdom that I want that she'd smile and ask me on a date.
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>>7287695
>vanilla relationships it's the guy who provides this affection and very rarely gets it in return.
so true
>Mutual affection is not as vanilla as it should be and so guys turn to gfd/rr
and that's one reason why I like gfd
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>>7287685
>It's because an 'alpha' who is into 'gentle femdom, but only in the bedroom' is just a normal fucking guy

what

If we're talking about the mainsteam then it's the guy who's alpha out in the world and dominant in the bedroom. In this sort of relationship the woman cuddles her man to seem more cute to him, to please her master. A woman doing it in the gfd/rr context is doing it more because she thinks he's the cute one and likes to see him melt at her embrace. You're completely ignoring the mentality behind the actions.

>What is unusual is wanting to live a rr/gfd LIFESTYLE

That's misleading. What's "unusual" is wanting the woman to be the dominant one, in a caring and loving way as opposed to a more extreme way. This is not exclusive to the bedroom, but it can be. It's possible to want to be dominant or at least equal in non sexual matters, but submissive otherwise.
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>>7287699
I don't even know why I even bother explaining this to the gfd/rr Jihadist they've already made up their mind. I guess I do it for the benefit of those who might be reading with an open mind. It's funny though I'm not into being Alpha at all. I'd love to stay at home and be a pet to a gfd/rr mistress but real life means I have to force myself to be alpha and earn living to support myself.
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>>7287706
Exactly.
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so what works of fiction are there that present femdommy relationships in a non-memey way? seriously, anything, books, manga, anime; it'd be good if it were actual consensual BDSM within the story, but i'm ok with everything. the recommendations aren't nearly enough and there used to be a bigger list i cannot find anywhere anymore
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>>7287715
Literotica has some great ones.

I remember one that I read a few years ago. It was amazing I can't remember much about it except that one character was called "Rook"
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>>7287695
>everyone knows that in vanilla relationships it's the guy who provides this affection and very rarely gets it in return
>If I tell a vanilla girl that after a long day of having responsibility and being alpha at work I want to come home put my head on her lap and have her call me a good boy as she strokes my hair... I'd have no chance

Not true at all. This is just what you say to rationalize your failures in dating. "It can't be because I'm ugly or socially inept! I guess girls just hate affection and romance... that way it's not my fault!"

It's difficult to find a woman who wants to be dominant as a lifestyle, however it's not at all difficult to find a woman who likes being 'dominant' in the bedroom if you define dominance to mean cuddling and you eating her pussy. Your brain is just so warped from decades of jacking off to internet porn that you believe affectionate, consensual heterosexual sex is somehow unusual.
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Let's gather some clues in girls that could help you determine if she could get into some light dominance

+ She is insecure in real life. I think this is a common theme, that, more insecure girls would love to be put in a situation where they are worshipped or looked up unto or put into a position of power. If you have a girl like that, you can try introducing her to femdom slowly without scaring her away. At the beginning, go crazy over her body, ask her to show off her legs, her body etc; many more insecure girls love nothing more than a boy getting crazy for her. And I assume it's easy to escalate from there: licking pussy, possibly feet stuff etc

- Successful and stressed women usually do not like femdom. The reason is easy: Their real lives are already stressed enough so they want to "fall" into a man's arms when they are tired and exhausted. That's pretty legit if you ask me so unless you are lucky, those women probably aren't going to be that.

+ Girls who were strongly into boy bands at some point. You think this is a joke? Well, have you looked at them? They are attractive, cute guys that sing their heart out about how perfect you are.. Maybe they want a cute guy like that as a boyfriend now?

+ Girls into yaoi. Many girls never see submissive guys and get extremely turned off at seeing that type. However, girls that are into gay fanfiction etc often see and fantasize about submissive guys as well. Maybe they found the sub guy in the yaoi fanfic cute?
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- politically extroverted girls are pretty much guaranteed to be sub. For the same reasons as business gals, many of them want to reassure their femininity in the bedroom while they are out there in the big scary competitive world. Might still work and one shouldn't rule it out at all, obviously, but as most people have heard, feminists are subs, liberals are subs and so on and so forth

+ Girls with humor. This is another strange one, but i've seen this in real life especially. girls that make jokes or throw in a lot of humor all the time are much more open about life and more "chill", "sassy" and confident. They know how to not take things too seriously in times and femdom is always play thats not always to be taken too seriously and I'm convinced sadism is a type of infantile play brought over into adulthood. So that could work well.

Most girls that eventually like femdom aren't born with the fetish, but are introduced by it by their bfs, grow into it and often like it even more than the guys that introduced them to it! Girls aren't encouraged to experiment sexually as much as guys, they are more shamed for their sexuality, more reserved, more suppressive of their fantasies. It's your job to show them what both of you could really enjoy and what you mostly have to avoid is girls who get really turned off by submissive guys or are really adamant about needing to be manhandled. If you avoid that, you could be lucky!
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>>7287771
Lol you don't know anything about me. You're making assumptions about me and then debunking those assumptions as if it proves your point it's literally the definition of a straw man argument. You're wrong about me btw. So very very wrong. I've asked a significant number of vanilla girls what they'd think about a guy wanting this stuff and they're totally weirded out by it. Especially when I bring up being called "a good boy" or other cutesy names or pegging or wanting them to be top in every sexual activity. These aren't vanilla things. But you know what fuck it. The only one who has a problem is you. The rest of us don't care. I'll leave you to howl at the moon while I continue on doing what I always do and enjoy what's being posted and sharing stuff I enjoy. I'd encourage others to ignore gatekeepers and feel free to share what appeals to them about gfd
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>>7287793
>g. I've asked a significant number of vanilla girls what they'd think about a guy wanting this stuff and they're totally weirded out by it. Especially when I bring up being called "a good boy" or other cutesy names or pegging or wanting them to be top in every sexual activity.

>asking girls out of the blue if they wanted such things so that their natural female socialization immediately kicks in and says "ewww this is weird"

the only ones that would say they'd like it is ones that already did that thing in real life before, it doesn't prove his point
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>>7287795
Again obviously I don't just bring it up out of nowhere. Usually I bring it up when we're on the topic of sex and sexual fetishes.
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>>7287793
> I've asked a significant number of vanilla girls what they'd think about a guy wanting this stuff and they're totally weirded out by it.

Hahaha. They ARE weirded out, but not for the reason you think.
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>>7287796
That still doesn't work. The socialization block is still there. If you are with a girl for 4 months, cuddled up to her sometimes and she liked it and you tell her oyu like being called a good boy and she goes "EWWW IM SO WEIRDED OUT" then you have a point.
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why do these threads always devolve into beta virgins describing how they are starving for female attention while making it blatantly obvious they are into this fetish simply because they are completely inept and want someone to control their dick, life and decisions
you're just lazy shits and all you'll ever get is abuse because of it, then you'll come and cry on imageboards about how women are evil and sluts
grow up, post porn on porn boards
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>>7287797
Why do you think they're weirded out? Usually I get replies like "he's got mummy issues" or "I want a manly man" or "I would rather he be the dominant" and the more prudish ones will talk about morals and the "natural order" of men being strong protective providers and women being homemakers and baby makers.
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>>7287805
you ok lil bro?
something bothering you? wanna talk about it?
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>>7287806
If you have to ask, you'll never know.
Might want to look into some social skills classes.
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>>7287807
I just did
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>>7287779
>>7287790
no one with experience have any comments bout what i wrote?
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>>7287805
Oh great so first we have the idiot who thinks bedroom subs "aren't real subs" and now we have the "male sub's are pathetic" anon. Maybe we should hire a wrestling ring and watch the two faggots fight it out. I think I'm done posting in these thread. Dickheads like these are making it insufferable. Congrats on killing your own "community"
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>>7287809
ok
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>>7287806
why the fuck do you go up to females and ask them as if all females had a common conscience and magically know what they all like
stop acting like a child, maybe the females you crave so much will stop treating you like one
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>>7287811
it was always like this, just ignore the idiots
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>>7287810
I actually agree. But I just can't be bothered dragging this on.
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>>7287811
>male sub's are pathetic
nope, you're pathetic
the fact you're shitting up porn boards with your self pity is pathetic
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>>7287815
True. So does anyone have any decent gfd/rr literature?
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>>7287810
my experience contradicts yours
this leads to the conclusion that individuals differ
you're welcome
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>>7287821
well be more specific instead of trying to be clever and smug
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>>7287811
post
>>7287815
fucking
>>7287820
porn
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>>7287805
last thread we got someone who was raped...
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>>7287823
okay now please respond
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>>7287822
categorizing individuals based on your limited perception is dumb
you don't have enough data to make any valid assumption
all in all you're an idiot
specific enough?
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>>7287825
was there a greentext? good
was there no greentext? fuck off to /soc/ or /adv/ or reddit or wherever that is not a porn board
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>>7287830
no, i do not have hard empirical evidence in order to make a scientifically sound theory, however, one can still attempt to find truth through informed guessing and putting together the dots of different anecdotal evidence in order to gain at least some truth; being adamant about "empirical data" is a big mistake that holds back the actual search for truth, without our random guesses, we wouldn't even know what to look for.
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>>7287815
>It was always like this just ignore the idiots

There comes a time in every anons life where he learns this most valuable of lessons. When that time comes he either realises this truth or he feeds the trolls until he is destroyed by them.
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>>7287832
yes there is a greentext, you can look it up on the archive lad
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>>7287832
you should at least do your research before talking nonsense kiddo
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>>7287806
I think he was trying to imply that they're weirded out by *you*, because they labeled you a "creep". It was an attempt at thinly-veiled creep-shaming. In other words, it's bullshit, so you can safely ignore it.
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>>7287814
>why the fuck do you go up to females and ask them as if all females had a common conscience and magically know what they all like
Actually, there is evidence that women tend to project their personal preferences and desires onto other women:
http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2010/11/20/do-men-or-women-have-fantasies-of-dominance-and-submission-the-results-noh/

Also, I don't know why you seem to be assuming that he's just walking up to random women he doesn't know and asking these questions. Well, actually, I do know: It's because our society tends to assume the worst about men, especially in discussions about sex.

And a *lot* of dating advice for men is just the same platitudes over and over, so it's not surprising that it might seem like women aren't as diverse as they like to claim they are.
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>>7287305
>>7287326
>>7287356

Damn, things really flew off the rails. I'm >>7287273 and I assure you that I wasn't trying to imply that mean are worthless unless they're "alpha" or that I subscribe to some sort of patriarchal doctrine. I was just trying to say what >>7287326 said, although he worded it better. I have very few people to turn to when I'm in need, and part of my personality towards others is being a rock when things get hard. My friends come to me when they're going through hard times, not the other way around. I carry myself in a way that's confident, and I take leadership when I can. I'm not saying that men who don't do that are any less of a man, I'm just commenting on my own personality. And I like being that way, but it does make me fantasize about handing all control over to someone who I trust, who could nurture me instead of the other way around. Does that make sense?
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>>7287129
I realized I worded it badly. It was 3am.
Congrats on picking up on that and not contributing anything though, seriously. Very observant.

>>7287259
Sounds like a significant life experience.
You'll find a girl who thinks it's cute.
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How long until this thread is rested in rip?
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Is slight neglect gfd? I love the idea of being made to serve a girl like it's expected and getting nothing in return.

Even hotter if she's doing something else and completely ignoring me.
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>>7288459
What you just described is the antithesis of /gfd/. /gfd/ isn't just about guys being submissive. It's also about them being valued, desired, lusted after, considered beautiful, etc.

For example, you know how a lot of women have fantasies of being a beautiful naked slave girl, desired and ravished by powerful men? She's submissive, but also protected, loved, and cared for. Reverse the sexes, and you've got /gfd/.

Most /gfd/ guys have the same basic mentality as the average submissive girl. Most submissive girls don't want to just slave away for someone who ignores them.
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>>7288466
Neglect play! That's why I said slight, but I probably explained it poorly. It's not that I always want to neglected, just sometimes.

I like the idea that me pleasuring her is natural, and not something that needs rewarding. Otherwise I like the normal gfd dynamic.
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Is the discord still up or does anybody still use it? I just got a discord acct the other day and OP's link doesn't work.
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>>7288512
the discord links come and go. I've been thinking about starting an open dedicated 4chan gfd/rr discord so that people stop asking for it.
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ITT shut in NEET who wants a replacement mommy arguing how every else's definition of gfd/rr is wrong.
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>>7288571
>replacement mommy
You're probably talking about some guy in this thread or something but fffuuuuuuuuccckkk this term and ffuuuuuuuccckkkk you.
"replacement mommy" is such a fucking disgusting term and it makes me sick whenever I hear it. If I described a guy wanting a "replacement mom", a caretaker he could fuck, and then reversed the sexes, fucking nobody would bat an eye.
Mainstream relationships are the DEFINITION of replacement daddy, a term you never hear. The guy has to work, the guy has to impress her, the guy has to pay for everything, the guy has to have fancy stuff, and if she wants to fuck other dudes, a good guy would let her! But as soon as a guy wants to have a woman love him without having to dance like a monkey at the circus he's a manchild and a loser. The reason so many guys want a ""mommy gf""" is because a mother's love is the only love a guy doesn't have to work his ass off for. /rant
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>>7288549
I'd be into that
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>>7288582
ill post a link when I wake up in the morning.
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>>7288580
>Mainstream relationships are the DEFINITION of replacement daddy
Hell, we even have "Who's your daddy?" as a sexual phrase that implies a girl being fucked into submission.

My God, though, would I love a woman who makes me call her mommy to establish her dominance and the fact that I'm helpless beneath her as she fucks me to ecstasy.
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>>7288580
I don't think he meant "replacement mommy" to be offensive to guys who want love and affection. Rather I think he was more alluding to the fact that there was someone in the thread who acted like an entitled child while shitting on everyone else who doesn't act like that by saying that guys who take responsibility in their daily lives aren't allowed to be into gfd/rr which is false. While the fantasy of gfd/rr is to be treated like a beloved pet and to be dominated sexually without any responsibility (except to obey orders from the girl) most of us have real lives and responsibility is forced on us, whether it be because we have to take care of family members or because we have to earn a living to pay rent, or because we've found ourselves in some sort of position of power. It's inescapable. Some guys into gfd/rr hate this but put up with it with hoping that one day they'll be able to live out their fantasies, others don't mind or are happy to take that responsibility yet still need/want gfd/rr as an escape and release so that they can wind down, recharge, receive care and affection and let the stress of responsibility be forgotten in their personal life with their girl/mistress.

Personally I'm attracted to the idea of being a 24/7 pet/house husband to a loving mistress but at the same time I like learning (history, philosophy, science) and having mentally stimulating things to do. I spend a lot of time reading and learning how to code so I also wouldn't be against getting a job where I can put my skills to use, doing something productive, earning some money and keeping the part of me that requires the feeling of challenge and success satisfied but at the end of the day my ultimate fantasy is to still come home relinquish control and be petted, seduced, commanded, praised and dominated by a loving and affectionate girl. I also think it'd be super hot if the girl had a higher paying job than me or even if she was in a position of power over me at work.
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>>7288750
>someone in the thread who acted like an entitled child while shitting on everyone else who doesn't act like that by saying that guys who take responsibility in their daily lives aren't allowed to be into gfd/rr
Except this never happened. The "replacement mommy" thing is just a meme that feminists and traditionalists use to shit on men who don't want to engage with their toxic ideas of gender roles. The guy you're trying to defend would accuse you of being le fat NEET who wants le replacement mommy to heat up his hot pockets xdddd for the last paragraph in your post.
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>>7288777
It did happen just look at this post >>7287616 and the related ones complaining that because one guy took responsibility in some public situations he can't be into gfd/rr
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>>7288787
Calling yourself an alpha implies more than "taking responsibility in some public situations".
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>>7288796

This was the exact post >>7287273 He said essentially the same thing that I did except he used more dominant terms. Like "Alpha" and "taking charge" but admitted that like me at the end of the day he wants to come home and give up control.
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>>7288801
You don't seem to realize the implications of those terms.
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>>7288805
We can't language police. Look at the context of the post. An anon asked in this post >>7287123 why being called a good boy and wearing a collar and leash makes them "melt" The anon who replied responded saying that for them it's because they get to give up control after spending time being in charge and alpha. A guy who wants to be on a collar and leash and be called a good boy when at home is certainly not vanilla, definitely won't want to be the dominant in a relationship regardless of whether he likes being alpha outside the relationship.
So his options are mainstream femdom or gentle femdom. I'm assuming he chose gentle femdom as mainstream femdom is about degradation and humiliation and pain while gentle femdom is about love, affection and protection from pain.
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>>7288801
This is known as "Dom in the streets, sub in the sheets", and it's more of a mainstream femdom thing. Everyone has heard of the CEOs who go to dominatrices to escape being in charge, but who are dominant for 90% of their lives. /gfd/ is generally considered to be more of a full-time thing.

And like >>7288796 said, there's a big difference between alpha/taking charge and just "taking responsibility in some situations". "Taking responsibility" could just mean a guy is able to go to the store for food and stuff without becoming a stuttering wreck when talking to the cashier, or it could mean that he does the cooking and cleaning as part of his househusband role, or it could just mean that he stays in shape. None of those things involve "taking charge", much less "taking charge whenever I can" as >>7287273 said.

>>7287273 also said that his kind of femdom involves him being concerned only with pleasing the woman, with no regard for his own pleasure. That's another thing that's also very traditionalist. I mean, just look at the way mainstream culture talks about sex. It's always about the man pleasing the woman, and male sexuality is discussed in very utilitarian terms. In mainstream relationships, the girl is the object of desire, and the guy wants to get her naked and pleasure her. In /gfd/, the guy is the object of desire, and the woman wants to get him naked and pleasure him.

I think maybe you don't realize that /gfd/ is inherently a bit radical, given the current prevailing norms.
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>>7288811
>>7288807
I think this explains my perspective. I guess I'm not a radical then. The way men are told to please women though in mainstream is without receiving anything in return while Anon specifically mentioned that he wanted to be doted on in exchange for pleasing her? Isn't that part of gfd. A mistress says she wants me to do X and I get praised or rewarded in return and through this happening repeatedly a bond is built up where the mistress comes to love me for my obedience and loyalty and I come to love for her affection and nurture?
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>>7288817
I don't mean to be rude, but you just don't seem to understand the fundamental aspects of /gfd/. You would be better off in a mainstream femdom community.
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>>7288829
Mainstream femdom is an active turn off for me because of the lack of nurture, protection, support, love and affection. I hate degradation and humiliation and I'm scared of anything more than light pain and I find the whole leather clad Domme in scary boots wielding a whip, calling me a dog thing to be over the top. Sometimes it even makes me angry at how shit guys seem to be treated on that side.
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>>7288836
You can find gentler things in mainstream femdom if you look for them. It's just that you don't seem to understand the idea behind this community and I'm not sure what you're getting out of being here.
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>>7288840
I've looked in the mainstream femdom for gentler stuff and I haven't found it. I have found it here. What I'm looking for? Fap material, images of Dommes being....well gently dominant to their subs, greentexts of similar calibre etc the same thing everyone else is here for.
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>>7288840
Also I don't know if you missed it but I already explained all this in this post >>7288807
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>>7288840
It's you who seems to have some weird concept of what is what isn't gfd and are trying to force it to everyone. Even if people like slightly different things they can all still be into gfd.
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>Don't like pegging or things involving my ass because I don't find it appealing
>Like bondage and blood/rape-play
>Have the weird feeling I'm not 'sub' enough because I don't like those things
I know is a silly thing, but sometimes when coming here, it feels like you NEED to like pegging and buttstuff to fully be sub. Even if you don't like it/hate it.
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>>7288856
Exactly! The only people who I think should really be excluded from gfd is guys who are Dominant all the time, guys who are into only harsh/degrading/man hating femdom (since mainstream already caters to that), male switches (unless they keep their dominant side turned off during their posts) and judgmental people who think a guy being submissive is somehow wrong.
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>>7288858
Bondage can be gentle

Rape-play is an iffy one. It exists in the gfd genre but it's more like reluctance and coersion when you see it and the guy in those stories ends up loving it and being cared for by the domme. It depends how it's portrayed

Pegging isn't for everyone that's understandable though for a lot of subs it's an integral part of the power exchange being penetrated rather than penetrating. But we also see penetration in gfd usually with the girl on top though.

As for blood not going to lie my initial instinct is "Nuuuuu that's not gentle" but if you can find me a portrayal of it where it is gentle I'd be into it.
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>>7288861
>As for blood not going to lie my initial instinct is "Nuuuuu that's not gentle" but if you can find me a portrayal of it where it is gentle I'd be into it.
I find blood-play to be a very intimal, like a ritualistic thing a couple. The act of drinking each other blood is romantic to me, is like saying ''You are mine, just as I'm yours!", kind of how I see exchanging virginities, but more vampirisc and goth.
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>>7288867
Well when you put it that way it reminds me of a cute vampire erotic story I read where she turned him and then let him drink from her while stroking his hair. It didn't click in my mind at the time that it was blood play but I guess it counts.
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>>7288859
The problem is that if you accept the 'dom in the streets, sub in the sheets' types, they will force the community to cater to them. They will turn it into yet another mainstream femdom community. That's what they're trying to do when they say shit like "anyone who doesn't keep gfd strictly confined to the bedroom is a pathetic NEET who wants mommy to cook him tendies while he plays video games"?
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>>7288873
fug I don't know how that question mark got in there
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>>7288873
I agree I would never say something like that and in the last thread I railed on someone who said that even harsher and even more fiercely than I'm railing on about this but if someone comes and talks about themselves being a gfd sub in private but alpha in public without attacking others for wanting the full house husband lifestyle I say leave them be.
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>>7288858
Why don't you find it appealing? It's very pleasurable for men.
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>>7288811
Just to be clear, I said that my goal would be to please my dominant while we're being intimate, not that I wouldn't deserve any sort reciprocation. I don't think focusing on someone else's pleasure and being pleasured yourself are mutually exclusive.

I'm pretty new to all of this, but I feel like trying to put such harsh labels on certain acts (e.g. "This is unequivocally traditional fd, but this isn't) isn't really fair when sexuality is a spectrum. I think that some labels can fit better than others, but my intention in sharing my personal feelings regarding my fantasies wasn't to take away from anything or anyone here. I realize that terms like "Alpha" and "taking charge" have a lot of... "extrinsic implications", for lack of a better way to describe it, but I was just using them because they get my point across in a concise way. I wasn't using them to describe some sort of societal expectation regarding men, or the way some shitheads use "alpha" as a way to describe someone who's a fucking cunt and disregards everyone but themselves.
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>>7288873
I don't think it's fair to assume that people like us will inevitably try to force the community to cater to them. I don't argue that some people have done that before, but assuming that I'm going to start calling everyone "pathetic NEETs etc etc etc" simply because my taste and lifestyle is different isn't really fair. I'm just interested in this community and gfd, not in shitting all over someone else for having slightly different tastes.

>>7288888
I don't think it's unreasonable to dislike something purely based on the concept, regardless of how enjoyable the feeling is. Some things just make people uncomfortable.
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>>7288888
I don't like the though of something going in my ass regardless of how pleasurable people say it might be, plus I never been big into anal, so there is that.
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So what I have noticed in this community is the guys seem to usually be skinny or overall not traditionally physically masculine the point in getting to here is that I feel not represented in the community being a 6 foot muscular guy
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>>7287489
What's an Attack Dog sub?
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>>7288907
Nice bait
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>>7288912
It's not bait dude I'm being serious you think I would've made better bait if I wasn't serious
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>>7288907
I don't know how you could say that since it's all anon. Your physique has 0 bearing though on what you're allowed to like sexually
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>>7288918
I'm not saying what you like but I feel not represented with what I see in the general gfd community
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>>7288920
How do you think we should fix that?
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>>7288920
Well that's tough cookie. We can't force big muscular guys to join. This is how it's always been. Feel free though to direct any muscular guys you know who are into gfd to come here. If you're talking about hentai and cartoons well that's partly due to Japanese culture and partly due to the desire of readers to see cute male characters.
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>>7288925
>>7288924
I'm not saying it's a bad thing I do understand the importance of representing the majority of the community just something I noticed
Don't get me wrong I like seeing cute guys getting dominated by hot women in a loving manner in both hentai and the regular porn
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>>7288936
Yah I noticed it too. I just don't see complaining about it as productive. At first it sounded as if you wanted some sort of gfd affirmative action.
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Can anyone repost all of smolbrit's pastes from his pastebin? His pastebin seems to have died.

There were 11 stories on his pastebin.
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>>7288938
Never the way the community is that's how we all got here if they did have muscular guys in some that's good but it's good how it is now I don't have any complaints
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This is the most easily baited community on /d/, and probably all of 4chins, and given the reactionary nature of some of the people on this site, that is just sad.
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>>7289072
reactionary doesn't mean "reacts to stuff" anon
don't use words if you don't know what they mean
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/gfd/ is generally considered to be more of a full-time thing.

>Says fuckin who?
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Gentle reminder: no dom wants a lazy sub who does nothing all day while she busts her ass making money just to come home to a house full of unwashed sheets and dishes.

When I come across those lazy pathetic shits on the map, I immediately drop them.

Major in something useful, get a good job, look good and you'll have a better chance of finding someone.
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>>7289112
Says me, I'm the fetish police
Woo wooo woooo you're going to sex jail
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>>7289116
3/10, you tried i guess
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http://submissiveguycomics.tumblr.com/post/51200880787/mornings-on-the-weekend
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>>7289128
simply awful.
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If any of you read books, the Daniel Faust series has the titular character's girlfriend be gentle and femdommy. It's a series with 6 books right now, and their relationship only gets better with time.
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>>7289094
nobody said it did? you assumed they used wrong definition of a word when in its own context that sentence makes perfect sense. reactionary perfectly describes a good chunk of people on /d/, and 4chan, and the adjective or noun form of that word is still perfectly applicable.

you're trying to start an argument because somewhere in your head you've convinced yourself girls are watching (despite it being quite evident historically that what few girls this community did attract got scared off long ago) and by putting someone else down you think you might impress the non-existent girl who isn't watching and even if they were they wouldn't be impressed by your knowledge of the english language, ignoring the fact their use of that word makes perfect sense grammatically, but you do it anyway because you're the stereotypical angry, scared, forever-alone gfd male, who will lash out at anything and everything because you have a deep rooted autistic streak which tends towards retard-strength levels of blind violence at the drop of a hat in order to get your mommy fetish fulfillment, and you're the stereotype that keeps people away from here.

or maybe i'm reading too much into it.
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>>7289242
It's just sad to watch someone project like this. Anything else you want to share about yourself?
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>>7288596
>>7288580
more mommy dom
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I hole heartly want a replacement mommy. I want a girl who loves the idea of me calling her mommy and she can tell me to shhhh calmly and softly and let me nuzzle into her breasts at night and hug me and kiss me so I will finally know what its like to have maternal affection.

>on a side note breast feeding times aswell
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>>7289254
That's nice, if only the rest of the people in this thread were as honest as you
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>>7289271
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>>7289275
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>>7289268
I dont see why its a bad thing? its just what I want
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>>7289248
maybe stop taking the bait and contribute to the thread?

its obvious they just want replies you fucking moron
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>>7289286
You almost get it.
Almost....
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>>7289221
Do you have a link where I can download it for free?
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>>7287523
Welcome to the wild world of easier and faster orgasms.
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>>7289443
True lol. At first touch I didn't feel anything but then after about 30 seconds they got sensitive. I wasn't able to cum from it because the sensitivity was almost too much to handle and I needed to finish quickly so didn't have the time to take it slow. I'm waiting until I get the privacy to spend a couple hours playing with them to see if I can orgasm.
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>>7289390
Use libgen
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>>7289491
Thank You!
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>>7289502
>>7289491
>>7289390
>>7289221
four posts with no images which contributed absolutely nothing to the thread

yup this is /gfd/ alright
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>>7289128
why does that guy have tits for eyes
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>>7289629
and a foot for a mouth
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>>7288858
For what it's worth, I also have no interest in pegging or anything else involving my ass (except for having it grabbed, stroked, or admired, of course). I also think it's ridiculous that people say pegging is some kind of necessary part of power exchange or something. A woman on top having normal PIV sex can be just as aggressive and powerful as a woman wearing a strap-on. Moreso, in my opinion, because it's not using any fake body parts, so it's more authentic.

Sometimes I think the insistence on pegging is some kind of remnant of traditional roles, as if people can't conceive of someone being sexually dominant without having a penis of some kind, or can't conceive of someone being submissive while technically being the one who penetrates, even if he's just lying there and she's doing all the movement.
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>>7288911
A traditionally masculine (tall/muscular) guy, who would be expected (and willing) to be a protector for his domme. So he'd be much stronger than the domme and easily capable of hurting her, but instead, he lets her order him to be violent at her whim. It's like an attack dog who is technically submissive to you because you feed it and stuff, but it could kill you if it wanted to.
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>>7289116
>When I come across those lazy pathetic shits on the map, I immediately drop them.
Good. They deserve better than you.
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So to any of you dominant females out there, how do you prefer or like your submissive young males?

How handsome or cute you like 'em? How'd you treat 'em in bed? Cute nicknames? Cutesy talk towards them?
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Thoughts people?
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>Femanon
>Sees complete shitstorm in the gfd thread
>Anon crusader claims Alpha type guys can't be into gfd or have real gfd relationships
>Femanon has stable 8+ year relationship with "Alpha" type Navy Boy.
>Navy Boy is still Femanon's cute little dumpling at home.
>Gender roles are more like suggestions, guys.
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>>7290302
(Different fem!anon from the one above. Nice to see it's not just me lurking this thread!)

I like cute boys, but "cute" is more about personality than looks. I like a boy who blushes easy, who squeals over baby animals, etc. I like boys who aren't afraid to show their soft side.

I'm bossy in bed, but I'm not too mean. I like to edge my partners a lot, but I always let them cum in the end (unless they don't want me to!) I really like it when I can get a boy to cum on command.

In my mind, restraints shouldn't ever have to be used, because a boy should hold still if I ask him to. The only time I use a restraint is if my boy really can't keep himself from squirming and I can't do what I'm doing if he squirms.

As for cute nicknames or talk, I don't think I do that too much. I mean, "baby," "darling," "sweetheart," etc are all pretty normal pet names. Ahh, but I do tend to tell them they're cute a lot. Vanilla boys don't like it much.
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>>7290266
I've always really loved that role and dynamic - I never knew it had a name though. Thank you!

>>7290418
It makes me happy to know that relationships like that can and do work, thank you for sharing.
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>>7290445
Fuck off Tripfag, you're not wanted here.
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>>7290479
Relax my man, it was left on accidentally from my other board
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>>7290418
>>7290426
ffs KT, no one's buying it
get a hobby
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>>7290445
No one cares what tripfags think.
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The toxicity here has really ramped up. Is this true toxicity runaway?
I get it that most of us are lonely as fuck, but you don't have to act like it. This place moved from /r9k/ for a reason.
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>>7286923
>be me
>24, kissless virgin
>go to south africa ofr an internship
>8/10 british girl working in the office
>starts flirting with me but retard me does not realize
>become friends with her
>one day the company celebrates her birthday (small company so it was normal)
>she turned 31 when I had guessed her to be 22 max
>coworkers make fun of me for still not getting she is hitting on me
>finally get it and work up the courage to ask her out
>we go out a few times and she statrs to make uot with me on a few occaisons
>one night we go to this lovely seafood restaurant
>chill evening but she gets me pretty drunk
>drives me back to my place
>pushes me onto the bed and starts kissing me
>takes off my clothes and blows me
>puts a condom on my dick and starts riding me
>I lie there barely realizing what happens
>too nervous to cum (didn't want to cum too early)
>after she is done she leaves
fast forward a few days
>at her place
>we lie in her bed and she gets horny
>starts sucking me but her son (who slept in the same room as her) wants to talk with her because he can't sleep
>makes me eat her out while she talks
>after he fell asleep she rides me like hell
>cum with the force of a thousand suns

and that's how I got my milf and femdom fetish
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>>7290571
Pardon my autism, but just for your future reference, rule #1 of green text stories is never to start them with ">be me." That's kind of like starting a regular story with "So the other day, I was myself, and..."

Also, did that relationship progress any further?
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>>7290609
progressed just for a few more weeks until I returned to europe

we wanted to try pegging but never got around to do it
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Have any of you guys played FE Fates?

I was reading a bunch of support conversations and it seems like the game is full of /gfd/ and /rr/ pairings. It's even got a frilly trap X tomboy pairing.

And of course Camilla, the embodiment of possessive older woman /gfd/.
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>>7289221
Damn it man this book series is exactly what you said it would be and totally awesome. Been reading it 3 days straight and I'm hooked on chapter 7 of the 3rd book.
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>>7290796

Birthright or Conquest? Also, specifically which pairings? Any of them work for a male Corrin?
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>>7291207
>birthright or conquest

path of radiance
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Would a popular peice of media involving role reversal boost the signal of our fetish? Because i'm writing a sci-fi adventure novel in the hopes of introducing more people to it.
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>>7291464
Perhaps, but you'd have to be really overt about the fact that the boy is feminine and the girl is masculine, and that these things aren't character flaws or jokes.

People tend to reduce things to "he's just a pussy" and "she's just a slut".
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>>7291291

I wasn't asking for your shitty opinion, I was asking the poster above which Fates game he meant.
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i am the best boy
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>>7286839
I liked this one so much I decided to colorize it.
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>>7290564
the prime movers in these threads end up being deeply damaged /r9k/ types who are very attached to their issues and lash out at any thing that might lead them to sorting their shit out.
yes yes I know kids "REEEE" "normie get out!" "Trolll!" learn some new echolalia plz.
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>>7291628
>tfw your only defining trait is that you have problems
>tfw the thought of one day sorting them out scare you to the brim
I'm glad I already jump out of the dating pool, because it would be real suffering if I end up in a relationship.
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Can you faggots stop shitting up the thread? I came here to fap, not to listen to a bunch of basement dwelling autists argue over who is and is not allowed to have a particular fetish.
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>>7291686
Anon, how are you going to build a better self and develop positive traits on a broken foundation? You'll have to sort your shit out before you can go up, even if it feels like you're just digging a deeper hole.
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>>7287779
>insecurity
Could be, that insecurity could also translate into being a sub bc she really really wants to please you, it's a case by case thing
>successful and stressed
I'm ambitious, hardworking and stressed and want nothing more than a cute trophy househusband, but I could be the exception to the rule
>boy bands
You're onto something
>yaoi
Definitely
>politically extroverted
Liberals tend to be more open with ideas about sexuality, so even if a liberal girl is usually a sub, she might try dominance just for the sake of experiencing it. And isn't it kind of a thing that conservative girls are subs? Wifely submission and all that?
>humor
Probably right but seems a little too general, it depends on the type of humor, more outspoken girls are more assertive and thus likely to be more dominant. Girls with a dry wit might be different
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>>7291704
Because I find comfort in my own problems? Beside, is not like my problems weight me down that much. I have a job (I don't like it nor dislike it) and I live on my own, witch is more than enough for me.

>positive traits
Lmao, I'll take acting classes my dude, if I become perfect at lying, me being a flawed mean nothing.
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Me from thread #7276066
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>7278429
>7277828

FUCK SENPAI. I'm officially under someone as a sub in training.

>same domme from fet event.
>talking more over kik
>she suggests she wants to take me under her wing.
>oh_shit_nigga.sh
>I say yes.
>We agree to meet up the next day at my place.
>comes over. forget to take her jacket. becuase nervous as fuck.
>forgives me.
>totally cool with it.
>she reassures me to not be afraid by cupping my head in her hands and performing a breathing exercise.
>we sit down and chat, she puts her foot in my lap and suggests she likes massages.
>start to massage, she gives me pointers.
>do each foot.
>do each hand.
>quite nice, eases the nervousness.
>talk more, about life and stuff.
>we watch some youtube videos together.
>we cuddle as she lays her head in my lap.
>after a while, I ask her a question and she turns to me and we talk.
>says to pause the video.
>We chat more about more intimate stuff.
>relationships, how I found certain kinks, what I want, what she wants. etc
>stuff get's really deep.
>go into sub space.
>sub_space.zsh
>Starts to cuddle me.
>reassures me everything's going to be okay.
>whispers and pets me.
>tells me I'm a good boy

jklasjkldjklafjklslk;fdjakl;
FUCK

>I basically melt.
>Get ballsy and take her hand and kiss it.
>"AWWW"
>yes
>we trade little peaks on each here and there.
>cuddle more.
>ask her to hold me.
>she does and I just melt even further.
>we do this for a hour or so then she has too leave.
>reassures me that I may go into subdrop and that it will be okay
>tells me to be in contact and to try to stay distracted.
>help her up, get her things and escort her to her car.
>we hug and discuss that we will find some time to meet again.

It's been about 4 hours since she's left and I'm a wreak. this is amazing. I feel so alive desu.
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>>7287259
>it definitely is partly the reason I have a hard time both trusting and approaching women

Why?! When females do it, arep is olev!
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>>7287523
Stop that! It's gay!
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>>7291723
How old are both of you? What subdrop means?
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>>7287851
Is that a coolface?
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>>7289271
>>7289275
>>7289277
What thread was that?
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>>7290418
>want gfd relationship
>going into the Navy

you've given me some hope, femanon
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>>7291757
> Me 22 going 23 in a couple of days.
> Her 30
Subdrop is:
"state of physical, emotional, and psychological withdrawal from an intense interaction with another person."

Read more here:
http://www.submissiveguide.com/2009/03/sub-drops-emotional-side/
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>>7291628
Why was the librarian doing all those things to him in the first place?
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Do you think male pregnancy fetish is part of gfd/rr?

Would you let your domme impregnate you?
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>>7291853
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>>7291853
You have it backwards i want the dom to force me to impregnate her.
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>>7291786
the last one
i felt really sorry for the dude
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>>7291853
And where would the baby come out from? Your penis?

Would you really want to inflict that on yourself?
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>>7291992
Not that anon, but I usually am thinking ass or straight up developing a birth canal.

And even if it was penis, I would for the right girl. Let her impregnate me, carry it and give birth to our children. I'd give her as many as she desired, I'd love to be her breeding boy.
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Include me in the screenshot
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>>7292005
>I'd love to be her breeding boy.
My only breeding boy fantasies involve me being purchased by a mistress who orders me to fuck her girl slaves to produce the most beautiful sex slaves ever. She watches me breed during the day and then takes me for herself at night, sharing a nice hot bath to relax from my "work" and then some gentle lovemaking and cuddling in her bed.
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>>7291723
>Live with my gf for a few years now
>She's wearing the pants
>Be her little sub 24/7
>Most of the time it's just cuddling her boobs or getting headrubs and ofc being ordered around if she feels like it. She even slaps my ass in public.
>other times shit gets real and i get denied, tied up or put in chastity.

Being so close to her and most of the time only with her i feel like i am experiencing this sub drop every now and then when i have other things to do. Also it maybe cuts me off socially from other a bit, how do i make friends with similar interests?
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>>7291723
That's really amazing man, congratulations! What an amazing experience.
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>>7291606
You ruined it.
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>>7291723
How did you find the event? FetLife?
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>>7292235
I appreciate your input anon
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>>7291704

I'm gonna need some sauce, boss. What's that gif from?
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>>7291704

I'm gonna need some sauce, boss. What's that gif from?
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>>7292235
no one gives a fuck about your reposted, poorly drawn picture either
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I'm gonna need some sauce, boss. What's that gif from?
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>>7292252
At least they're contributing. If you have better art to share then post it. Otherwise all you're doing is proving their point.
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>>7290426
Definitely agree on the "cute", bit. My boy doesn't really fit what some would consider the gfd aesthetic, but his personality is gfd af; he's sweet, bashful, flustered easily by compliments, and loves headpats
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>>7292256
hmm... no
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>>7292352
this right here is why everyone hates you guys
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>>7290426
>>7292350
So if you are actually femanons what kind of personalities do you have and how did you find your bfs or husbands or whatever you wanna call them
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>>7292367
They're not actually girls, they're idiots from a cancerous offsite forum trying to bait/catfish this thread.
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>>7292367
Let me break down why you're not going to get a favorable response.

>So if you are actually femanons
I don't have to prove whether I am or not to you, I don't care what you think.

>what kind of personalities do you have
This is just sad.

>how did you find your bfs or husbands or whatever you wanna call them
I'll give you a clue, not on an imageboard.
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>>7292384
>I don't have to prove whether I am or not to you, I don't care what you think.
I never asked for proof
>This is just sad.
It was an actual question I was wondering about I just wanted to see if there is a general personality
>I'll give you a clue, not on an imageboard.
I'm not aiming to find someone on here since that's the worst idea ever I was referring to normal day to day life
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>>7292352
>>7292364
You know what they say. Once a shitter, always a shitter.
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>>7291049
Glad you liked it!
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I don't understand the hostility here. You'd think that with something as relatively obscure and not-well understood as gfd/rr, people wouldn't be so aggressive towards people asking questions or having healthy discussion.
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>>7292458
It's because of how imageboards work. Almost any discussion on here is accompanied by heavy layers of banter and self-righteousness which may or may not be well-founded. You should expect questions to be phrased as aggressive or passive-aggressive when ebin memesters are involved.
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>>7287805
you are just being a cunt but you are right, a lot of people here are vulnerable to abuse and should be aware of that. Just because you're submissive doesn't mean you shouldn't have self-respect, don't let a woman take advantage of you.

>>7288580
your rant assumes a mother's love is something you don't have to work for, which isn't true in a lot of cases and the reason why they are here

>>7291721
fun fact, it's borderline impossible to become a perfect liar, especially to a woman. They have way more parts in their brains than men hardwired to decoding body language, and there are tons of things you do unconsciously that you can't control that give it away.

>>7292458
I don't understand the hostility to speculation and discussion either, it seems even worse than you typically find on 4chan. I think it speaks volumes about the kind of people browsing these threads
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>>7292458
>>7292471
It has nothing to do with how imageboard works. That can be disproven by looking at literally any other thread on this board. There is little to no hostility, even in the worst of the other threads.

The cause of the hostility here is simply the people in this community are all that is left after everyone has left for better places. They are just shitlords who are bitter about being left behind and the fact every girl who gave a shit about this community has indirectly rejected them.

This community got rejected from another board and sent here, then it got rejected by members of itself who went off to form several other communities if the constant advertisement is to be believed.

The true cause of the hostility is this is just a shit community, and the hostility isn't just internal. Go ask anyone in other threads what they think the worst community on /d/ is, odds are they'll tell you it's this shit hole.

The people in these threads browse here knowing they have been rejected in every possible way on an imageboard: by each other, by those they hope to meet, by where they've come from, and by everyone else on this board.

If I was involved in this community, I'm sure I'd be pretty hostile too.
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>>7292479
Huh. In these "Better places" you speak of, there's frequently at least a little bit of it. Maybe there's something I'm missing. Either way, I'm not a part of this community either.
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>>7292471
>it's not our fault, blame the entire world instead
>imageboards magically make us into assholes, it's not just that we're angsty little foreveralone faggots

Absolute worst kind of defence.
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>>7292490
>Implying defense
>You must not believe we're angsty faggots
I never intended to argue in the first place more than supplement. If anyone's embodying that full-of-shit attitude you call magical right now it's you.
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The discord link is already expired, mind refreshing it or sharing a new one?
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>>7292545
For which discord?
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>>7292555
The /gfd/ one mentioned in the OP
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>>7292555
I have no idea which one of the /gfd/ discords that was a link to. There's no way to tell. I think theres like 4 at this point?
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>>7292577
me neither, i am in none of them
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>>7292479
That's a damn shame, really. I've always really like this relationship dynamic, but I never knew it had a name/following/community. I'd like to keep following it, but I don't care for the hostility here. Any better places?

>>7292490
I think he was just saying that anonymous imageboards bring out the worst in people, not that it excuses the behavior.
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>>7292599
no idea, though you can try the 8ch /gfd/ board or the (yea i know) subreddit gentlefemdom, but they are all too dead for my taste. We can always create our own little group if you feel like it.
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>>7292653
everything which is connected to /gfd/ is cancer, what makes you think making yet another tiny group is going to be any less cancerous?
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>>7292384
>>7292387
>not finding your SO on a hentai board of an American Japanese animation appreciation imageboard
Fucking degenerates
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>>7292759
anon obv seems new to this magical thread, so am i. you mean to tell me the cancer spreads that quickly?
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>>7292384
Wow, you're a cunt
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>>7292759
tiny groups are great. I run a small private gfd discord.
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I really like these threads, but one thing I cannot stand for is letting my girlfriend take the lead in public. It is my duty/instinct to protect her and destroy others that would harm her.
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>>7287425
This is /d
don't get it twisted. People don't like this community because of people like who you come in and comment on the community's values without making an effort to learn about them first. It's always the same. I don't even care that it happens anymore. Just don't expect to get anywhere with that comment.
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>>7292818
For me it's the opposite, I don't really have strong preferences for what goes on during sex, but it's important to me that she fills the "masculine" role in the relationship and I fill the "feminine" role.
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>>7292818
For a handful of people my wife does not hold back to show that she rules over me but in public she doesn't show this side. I am a bit taller and we just act neutral towards each other which seems pretty normal, although in certain situations she doesn't care.
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>>7292818
ew ew ew

>>7292897
this this this
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>>7292780
yep, it comes from the /r9k/ set who are bitterthirsty and sperg as fug who want a mom who gives blowjobs and supports their NEET lifestyle and are very intent on gatekeeping out the more functional "normies" who want a more healthy and realistic relationship with a dominate female.
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>>7292998
>blowjobs
ew
>new mommy yes please
besides who is to say who has a "healthy" relationship?
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>>7292998
nice almost trips

>>7293008
>tfw you accidentally call her Mommy in public

embarrassment.

also
>blowjobs
>ew

explain yourself
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>>7293008
Anyone with a basic grasp of how a fucking relationship works.

Whos to judge whether a car is healthy? Well does it fucking work?
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>>7293043
id act the way I wanted in public I don't need the masculine appearance its a waste of my time mommy is the strong one not me. blow jobs are gross desu seeing a dick in a girls mouth is just gross, besides it seems like a submissive thing for a girl to do.

>>7293046
I didnt know thier was a form I had to sign in a relationship. I figured if I love a girl then I want her.
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>>7293060
Not sure if Trolling but Blowjobs can be dominant. I had one friend tell me that while he was being given a Blowjob he would try and put his hands on her head or thrust into her mouth. Every time he did she would stop the blowjob and slap his hands back to his sides. She'd do the same for eye contact. If he broke eye contact she'd stop force him to look her in the eyes before continuing. If she had been a little more dominant calling him a "good boy" or edged him until he was moaning then it would've been a perfect femdommy BJ.....Another obvious femdommy BJ is one that's given while you're tied down to a bed and unable to do anything but beg and moan.
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>>7293046
to be fair, a lot of people would consider any gfd or rr relationship to be "unhealthy", since it goes against what's considered "normal"

>>7293060
I don't bother with a masculine appearance as it doesn't seem to be in my genes, I either dress effeminate or look like I stole my boyfriend's clothes. I chose the former.
Also I can kind of see what you mean, but imo it depends on the context.
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>>7293080
desu even if its dom ive never liked bjs just me I know everyone and their brother likes them but im not a fan. im pretty outhier as far as fetishes go and maybe its just not in my degenerate genes.

>>7293083
good on you anon I need to lose some of this fat and be a good twig aswell
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>>7293102
am I having a stroke or is it changing stuff I say to desu? desu
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>>7293083
I think a healthy relationship is one where their is enough give and take between both partners that both are not just satisfied but content and happy enough for love to continue blossoming rather than stagnating. It doesn't matter what type of relationship it is this is a fundamental principle. In a healthy Sub/Domme relationship the sub gives his loyalty, obedience, respect, admiration, trust, his control, love and affection (the kind a pet gives to their owner yet much more deeper) while the Domme provides the sub with guidance, nurture, protection, safety, encouragement, a sense of belonging, love and affection (the kind a pet owner gives their pet yet much more deeper) and some of these things aren't even exclusive to one side since they give them to each other. The point being if it's a relationship where only one side is taking whether it's the Domme demanding absolute obedience and loyalty without giving their sub the affections they crave or a Sub demanding to be pampered but being unwilling to give loyalty and respect. Then it isn't going to work, because then it's not a healthy relationship, it's abuse.
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>>7293113
>In a healthy Sub/Domme relationship
A lot of normal people would say these relationships are unhealthy. You are also assuming that people in a md/lb relationship aren't happy or that it is one-sided and therefore unhealthy. I've seen and been in relationships where that dynamic has worked. It is niche, sure, and definitely not for everyone. I can assure you the women get plenty out of it too.

If I may ask, what have you experienced that has given you such a strong opinion against it, anyways?
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>>7293140
I didn't say anything against it. I was merely pointing out that there has to be some form of give and take where both partners feel they're benefitting.
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>>7293080
>writes a whole paragraph without spacing
>doesn't even mention that she could just bite your dick off

Come on, dude
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the problem on /d/ is that most male subs (or the most vocal anyway) are the blond chick while being less attractive or willing to leave their room.
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>>7292818
>it's my duty to protect her
>not considering dedicating yourself to her as a living shield alongside being her plaything.

being her protector, and being submissive to her in public are not mutually exclusive anon.

this is actually one of my big fantasies... Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time books were a big influence on me when I was younger, and the whole Aes' Sedai/Warder dynamic... hoo boy.
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>>7293378
This is my favorite thing about an attack dog type relationship. Something about submitting to your dominant while also being able to be aggressive and her loyal protector just makes me feel warm and happy.
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>>7292998
>accusing others of gatekeeping while gatekeeping them
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>>7293501
>sperges shouting to drive out everyone else out
>not gatekeeping
>telling sperges to shut up and control their power level so everyone can enjoy
>super ultra gatekeeping!!!11
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>>7293604
Why post non gentle porn in gfd?
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>>7293646
Gotta protect dem gates from the stinky virgins, else the normal people are gonna be scare.
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>>7292998
>>7293501
>>7293604
>>7293646
>>7293674
you guys are all pathetic beta cuck loser manlet virgins. If you don't want a girl to rip your dick off and fuck your new bloody dickless hole with it, you don't belong here, get the fuck off my board REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[spoiler]see you guys in three days[/spoiler]
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>>7293452
too true mate... it seem like a thing that is not touched on alot, much to my dismay.

lots of potential for a lot of nice intimate stuff too..
>Her tending to your injuries after a close encounter, praising and petting you the whole while

>Her choosing gear to dress you in, weather a low-profile Bullet resistant vest for day to day, or a suite of plate in her favorite colors for formal events

>instead of a choker or normal collar, She has you wear a Gorget, or a Stock, or some other kind of obvious neck protection

why did I just do this to myself...
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>>7293732
>>7293452

>>7292818 I am

You guys are such losers, holy shit.

Attack dog relationship? you make me laugh.

I just meant DEFENDING your partner as a MAN should in public in face of danger, scrutiny, or whatever. You fools take it to a pussy level of bullshit.
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I miss you so much, why did you cheat on me?
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>>7293788
reality check: you are on 4chan. What do you expect?
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>>7293788
>>7293914
What do you think defending means if it's not attack dog relationship?
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>>7293918
doing what a lover should do, no, another human should do in the event of an attack

you guys don't have to make a fetish out of everything you know, that's something most people will do guy or girl
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>>7292998
to be owned by a domme, you must be worth owning.
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>>7293250
Accurate af. Hence the lack of female attention.
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>>7293732
Queen and Knight relationship, fuck yes.

Real talk, the idea of a man who is so much stronger than her, yet completely submissive, just makes me melt. Everything you said is complete gold, but lemme add this:

>Her giving gentle back massages and washing his hair after a long day of training.

>Him walking a step behind in public, mindful of his station.

>Everyone assuming that he's super top and dominant in their personal life but in reality this big sweetheart bakes cookies and knits as hobbies
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>>7293788
>>7293927

I think you're misunderstanding what we're talking about. >>7293732 was clearly talking about a fantasy, and not real life, but an attack dog relationship is something that occurs in real life, and goes beyond the basic protective instincts that person feels for his companion.
I would actually argue that >>7293927 there's a point where it's not really a fetish anymore, at least for me. It's not like I rub one out to the idea of protecting my dominant - it's more of a deep-seated sense of purpose and happiness. It's a feeling of loyalty and obedience that you don't get out of a 'normal' relationship dynamic.

For example, in my last relationship, my SO was so non-confrontational and independent, that not only did she actually didn't care for me wanting to protect her, and she got upset when I did.

No one (or rather, very few people) like to see the people they care about get mistreated, don't get me wrong. A lot of the tenets in an attack dog relationship are analogues to normal relationships, and come pretty naturally to men. The distinction is that in a regular relationship, you're protecting your SO because they're "yours". In an attack dog relationship, the inverse is true. You're protecting your dominant because she's your owner, and that's what good pets do. In my mind it combines one of the most important elements of traditional relationships with a pet/owner relationship.

Honorable mention goes to:
>Her tending to your injuries after a close encounter, praising and petting you the whole while
I play very rough sports and physical activities and get injured a lot. One of my fondest memories is laying on the couch completely exhausted while my SO touches up and cleans my wounds, babying me while she does so.
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>>7294352
that last one reminds me of a few SCA heavy fighters I know. huge hulking tanks of men, really quite intimidating in armor, but out of it they're very friendly, and always have some kind of wind-down hobby (cooking, bardistry, one I know embroiders between bouts even)

how about...
>getting a new piece of gear you want when you do particularly well, as a reward

>Her sneaking cute custom Morale Patches onto your rigs
stuff like "return to _____, if lost".

if she has other subs (I know, not a thing for everyone, but figured I'd throw the ideas out there) one could include stuff like

>being sent with a fellow sub with a nervous disposition as he/she runs errands to keep them feeling safe, and calm

>Her watching as you make ready for a formal event, with one of the other subs acting as a squire, occasionally directing for changes to be make to suit her mood

>>7294364
had to remind me that this will likely always be a fantasy didn't you... ahh well, maybe one day the improbable will happen.
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>>7294385
>a tag that says "return to ___ if lost"
Holy fuck that's adorable
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>>7294364
am >>7293927

thanks for explaining it anon, I can understand what you guys are talking about now
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>start chatting with an older woman who is into younger guys
>she is 7 years older than me
>she is also into femdom, mainly pegging
>doesn't live extremely far
>works in an office and earns more than me though i've got more money overall
>eventually muster up the courage to ask her if she wants to meet
>says she doesn't mind and we made plans to meet this month for a day
>she offered to pay half for my trip but i declined

I know i shouldn't get my hopes up after how the last time i met someone turned out but still.
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>>7293452
>>7293378
>>7293732
>>7294352
Do you play tanks in WoW and other mmorpg:s?
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>>7294587
I'm >>7293452 and >>7294364

I don't play mmo's, but that's an astute guess, because I do usually end up playing support/tank/protector characters in other games.
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>>7294587
maaaybe... yeah, pretty much all the time.
(am this >>7293378 anon)

>>7294501
Good Luck anon! hope you two manage to hit it off!
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>>7294501
Let us know how it goes, man! Good luck to you.
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>>7294617
What is the artists name? Or how can i find the complete set on sadpanda?
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>>7294501
How did you two meet?
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>>7294667
don't know, got it off a /gfd/ thread a while ago.
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>>7294667
The artist's name is Kerasu. Reverse image search is your friend.
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>>7294501
>makes more money than you
>is significantly older
>still somehow has less money than you overall
I'd advice against a relationship with this woman.
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>>7292452
Just Finished Book 5. I'm struggling to find a free download of Book 6. I found the others on libgen.io but book 6 isn't on there. If you have a free download link I'd be eternally grateful.
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>>7289221
>>7291049
>>7292452
>>7294784
only just finished the first book. It's pretty good, a bit too edgy sometimes for my tastes though
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>>7294769
ehh... that doesn't seem like a indication of a problem by itself.
might be that anon has a every low expense life-style, or something equally innocuous.
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>>7294875
It is edgy but that kind of stuff I enjoy ordinarily anyway. I won't begrudge you your preferences though. Wouldn't want to start more drama than this thread has already had.
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>>7294769
I only have more because i live with my parents and pay for pretty much nothing except the stuff i buy for myself. I put away 500 pounds each month and saved up about 6000 in the course of year. I earn like an average of 700-800 a month depending on how busy we are at work.

I'm mostly saving for uni later.

I also don't like spending money.

>>7294679
I added her from [spoiler]a bdsm thread on /soc/[/spoiler]
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>>7294634
It's going to be at the end of the month but i'll make a post in one of these threads on how it went.
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>>7294887
Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it and I'm gonna keep reading
the implication that Daniel did something so horrible to someone that they just scream until they are sedated and that Satan gets so bored that he comes up with his own conspiracies to overthrow himself is pretty funny
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>>7293378
>>7293452
>>7293732
That's called a normal relationship, so fuck off, people are here to get away from the expectation of men being disposable protectors of women.
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>>7294903
What if the guy is protector without being disposable?
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Let's lighten this thread up. What things do you guys like to be called

My favorites in no particular order:
>Good Boy
>Pet
>Sweetie
>Babe/Baby
>Tiger (an online friend I roleplayed with nicknamed me this)
>Cutie
> Slut/Bitch/Slave (As long as the tone of voice is gentle/seductive/affectionate with intent to show ownership/dominance rather than to degrade or humiliate)
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>>7294912
thread's about to die but personal favorites are:

Baby Boy
Sugarbear
Sweetheart

those three make me melt instantly
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>>7294895
Agreed. I won't say anything else since I'll probably end up accidentally dropping spoilers.
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>>7294914
>Sugarbear
That's so awesome.
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>>7294903
I'll direct you to
>>7294364
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>>7294903
I'll also add that an attack dog relationship isn't the only kind of gfd/fd relationship you can have. Do whatever makes you happy my friend, this is what makes us happy.
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>>7294885
They have 7 years of age between them and she has better income. There is absolutely no reason why she shouldn't have something to show for it. It shows that she can't into finances and will be a fucking financial disaster if you get into a relationship with them. Check out the finances of any woman/man you're looking to get into a serious relationship with if you want to avoid problems. It obviously doesn't matter for casual relationships but when things get serious it absolutely does.

>>7294891
So you have well under 10k and someone 7 years your elder with better income still has less? Yeah that's a massive red flag. Based on your post I'm assuming you're in your early twenties while she's on her late twenties. She should have few years of work experience on her now and should be making a living. Having less than you shows that she hasn't paid any mind to finances and is living paycheck to paycheck.

The majority of that red flag goes down when you get older and if they actually have their finances in order but just happen to have slightly less assets than you due to various reasons even if they are older and make more money. The main point is that they have some sort of assets beyond a savings account with few grand saved up for next vacation.

Also living with your parents is one of the best decisions you can financially make as a young adult. I'm buying my own home at 26 and have plenty saved up just because I didn't move out instantly after turning 18. If I had moved out instantly I'd be in much worse state financially than right now. Definitely nowhere near even considering buying a house.
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>>7294932
I'm not arguing it can't be a red flag but we really don't have enough information to make any assumptions here.
>There is absolutely no reason why she shouldn't have something to show for it
Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean that things outside of your control can't heavily affect your finances anon.
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>>7294932
I said she makes more than me but has less money overall due to me saving like madman for the last one year. What does this matter anyway
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>>7294912
I like
Good boy
Cutie
Baby
Teddy bear
God that was embarrassing to type out
I'm definitely not big on the degrading sounding names
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>>7294937
Listen to >>7294932

Unless she has tied up her wealth in something that has appreciating equity (real estate, the brit equivalent of a 401k/retirement account, for examples), having that little, being that much older, while making more, is a huge red flag. I wouldn't even bother with a casual relationship.

I say this because by (I assume) 32yo, she should be well on her way having much more than you. It means she messed up big time, and you'll end up being the one to have to help her build/rebuild. That alone will poison your D/s relationship, with you as the /s.
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I wrote a non-sexual story about a gfd relationship. The themes include gfd, pet dynamic, attack dog dynamic, and violence (not between d/s). If anyone is interested I might potentially continue this story.

http://pastebin.com/MY1QpLqZ
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>>7294784
https://filescdn.com/20rsmt26dvyg
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>>7294988
again, we don't have nearly enough information to make an assumption. We don't know what she has, we don't know what she was making a year ago, or a month ago, we don't know anything. Maybe I'm just naive but man you sound crazy judgemental, I'd at least meet the girl first
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>>7287236
That way just leads to madness.

Ultimately we all have to earn what we want to get out of life. Even women have to, albeit at a later stage.
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>>7294996
You Legend. Funny thing is that I found that exact link but for some reason when I tried downloading the zip file it would redirect me to one of them fake virus protection sites. I just tried again this time on my phone and it opened fine
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>>7294992
Will check it out.
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>>7294992
It's definitely a good start. Just be careful that you don't get too repetitive using "good boy" don't get me wrong. being called that is amazing and it's something that I don't see enough of butwhen if it's overused it kind of starts to lose its meaning and "specialness". But yeah keep going with it, it's pretty good.
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>>7294992
not bad anon, would definitely read more of it.
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Is anyone in Toronto I'm asking for a friend

All the map markers are either guys, guys marked as girls, or people with no info whatsoever
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>>7294941
It doesn't matter even if you saved everything of your £700 - £800 income for a year. She should still have more than you. She would be well ahead of your savings by having saved a mere £100 monthly. Also saving £500 per month isn't really that much. It's a lot when looking at your income but that's something I'd expect everyone with a real job doing at the least.

What does it matter? Well everything my naive friend. 100% guaranteed you'll end up paying for their shit if you get into a relationship with a woman who can't handle their finances. They'll crash your finances with no survivors. She's living paycheck to paycheck. For her everything that comes in is to be spent somewhere. That includes your money if you get into a relationship.

>>7294937
>>7295007
Of course shit can happen. However it's pretty unlikely that she's been down on her luck for 7 years and got up just now before she met with our anon. At least for it to not be mentioned when discussing about money. Having told us no explanation for her poor financial state pretty much proves that this state is normal for her and she doesn't see anything wrong with it.

Women in general handle their finances worse than guys. If you've got your shit in order and want to keep it that way it's of utmost importance that you check out the finances of any potential gf before getting serious with them. This goes even more for anyone trying to find a qt dominant gf. If they go but muh privacy and don't want to open up their finances that's when you run away as fast as you can. And it obviously means that you should be willing to open up your finances to them.
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>>7293732
thanks for the new fetish with material impossible to find
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>>7295666
Misery loves company after all...
but yeah, super hard to find stuff to satisfy (borderline impossible in fact) that particular itch.
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New thread

>>7295800
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>>7294992
Good story, would definently read more of this.
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>>7293788
>just meant DEFENDING your partner as a MAN should in public in face of danger, scrutiny, or whatever.
Uh, part of the point of /gfd/ is getting away from that "You must do THIS in order to be a REAL MAN" shit.

If you don't like it, feel free to fuck off.
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>>7294907
Logically impossible.

If he's expected to be a protector, he's necessarily expected to suffer harm and even death for the person he's protecting. The implication is that it's okay for him to come to harm as long as the girl doesn't, which means he's worth less than her, which means he's disposable.
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>>7295011
>That way just leads to madness.
That doesn't mean it's incorrect.

"It's no mark of health to be well-adjusted to a sick society" and all that.
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