Hey /d/ i wanted to ask you, Why arent you already actively supporting

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Shit my dumper tool stopped working. Someone know a good tool to dump with?

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>>6860612
slowposting while waiting for a tool

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>>6860658
There you go you freaks. No more dumping before i get my hands on a dump tool. Also artists name is Drakthug

>>6860602
>get patron account
>leave it public
>get fucked because you publicly support deviant porn

>get patron account
>set it private
>get fucked because you obviously have something to hide, else it would be public

yeah, fuck that
i'm not touching that as long as they have user account pages

The shilling is actually real.

I don't support Drak because she's one of those heavy friend circle artists and I'm tired of seeing her post art where they suck off each others dicks.

>>6860602
Because (a) western porn artists tend to have expiration dates on my enjoyment of their work--typically due to delving into fetish material I don't actually care about--and (b) even if they show promise, too often they reach a level of artistic quality and simply stop trying to improve. I don't know if it's because of burn-out, steady commissions meaning they no longer need to care, or what, and there are exceptions, but way too many porn artists (not just western) just stop improving after a while.

And then, of course, there's (c) the fact that whether they're earning money or not, some porn artists just disappear after a while, some even going so far as to try to wipe all traces of themselves from the internet.

So from my perspective, things like patreon for porn simply aren't worth the investment. Commissions could be, but for my part I get bored of porn too easily to cough up the money for a picture that'll last me like a week tops before I move on.

>>6861062
Aaaand you're the kind of person I don't need in my life.

Patreon is awful unless the artist makes the content available for everyone else later on. Patreon-only paywall artists instantly lose my respect and interest.

>>6862535
>OP asks for opinions
>gets opinion
>wow fuk u
quality

>>6862535
He has a point though. It's not a pretty truth but it's still the truth.

>>6860602
Patreon is funding someone's life when you don't know them or what the money is actually being used for. All in the hope they'll be enticed to keep making what they've already made. If they don't make what you want you'll feel betrayed and if they do their quality will suffer as they continue to play to their audience instead of experimenting to improve their work.

>>6862540
Opinions are not "the truth" at most it is subjective truth of one person's point of view.

>>6862552
>Now I know some patreons aren't like that but I think some artists seem to think they too can live the sweet life like Sakiimi and I think that disillusions a great deal of people expectant of what the service can do for them.
Sakimichan already had a huge following years before Patreon was even a thing.

>>6862535
...I, uh. I don't remember asking to be a part of it, anon, but okay.

>>6862745
That's my point though. It's not that Patreon is the reason she's successful, it's that people get on Patreon thinking they have the potential to become as successful as her and she's hailed like some sacred cow of what most commission artists hope to be: Draw what they want for "free" money and not having to deal with clients whom they find insufferable or "shitty" by their logic.

That logic isn't exactly wrong, but sometimes it is misguided. Also, tutorials behind a paywall seems to be the opposite of what a client wants much less a "fellow" artist. If you can afford the subscription for it, you either have a sweet day job or you're good enough to work in the industry anyway.

>>6862540
Still don't need that kind of person in my life. I have fetishes I've been too shy to draw for fear that I'll scare off people who like my stuff, and this confirms it. I also draw for fun, and people expecting constant improvement just kills that fun for me, it just comes off as people looking a gift horse in the mouth. I know improvement is important and I won't deny myself trying to work on bettering my stuff, but viewers sitting there and getting my results without putting in the effort that I am and thinking I should just "be better" really turn me off. Everyone likes to say "you don't have to be a cook to tell if a dish is bad", but it certainly helps to be one to know what that cook goes through and have an understanding of what goes into the whole thing.

>>6862552
>Giving money to an artist without expecting anything in return sounds kind of empty to me.

I can understand if they don't post anything at all, but what if they actually have posted a lot of content and it's steady? It's more like supporting them after they've opened up to ask for help after all they've given if you enjoy their stuff. I actually dislike the idea of an artist making content exclusive only to those who give them money, since then it's just a paywall.

>>6862552
I disagree.

But then I have a different perspective. I feel like if you are able to support an artist you like directly that's better than not supporting them at all. Not all of us have the money or desire to commission, and giving money directly to an artist is better in my mind than giving it to a company which will distribute a portion to them (Patreon notwithstanding).

To my knowledge all Patreons are voluntary and you can change what you pay as you want. If your selected artist doesn't pull through, then you stop funding them. It's a much more direct way to let your dollar talk than otherwise.

I like crowdfunding, but I also recognize it's not the solution to every problem. It doesn't inherently remove a lot of the problems that could plague a project or artist.

It is however a more direct way of letting an artist know they're appreciated. It also supports more artists to be more independent and producing more content. If they can't hack it, then they lose their funding directly.

It's not for everyone either as an artist or supporter, but I see the benefits. And there's never an expectation of "nothing in return". The artists typically list out exactly what you can expect for your money.

You're not paying someone for work not done, you're sponsoring someone.

>>6862908
What fetishes anon?

>>6862911
Well I'll put it this way, if I'm gonna pay for something it better be content I wanna see more of.

A lot of these Patreon artists draw a bunch of shit I already see for free in terms of being safe, non-intrusive subject matter. I'd rather my money go into something I could stand to see more of rather than popular/overrated shit I may not have asked for. Like I'd be fine if Sakiimi drew Pokemon girls like Roxanne, Jupiter or Olympia rather than Misty drawing #45 and Jessie drawing #187 because those are unexpected by comparison. The point is making my money count for input of content or going to places outside the safety net.

>>6862917
You're describing welfare. Non-charitable sponsorship can have terms by its benefactor.

>>6862908
I'm the person you responded to, and I wasn't saying you can't draw what you're interested in or that you have to try your hardest with every picture you draw. You're strawmanning. My first point was that a lot of the western artists I've been interested in as they were starting out eventually start branching out into fetish material I don't care for, which is a very good reason for me not to want to send artists monthly stipends. My second point was that after a certain point in their career, a lot of porn artists simply stop trying to improve entirely. There are at least a dozen examples I could name off the top of my head, both western and eastern, who reach a certain point and then a year or more after that point are still drawing at the exact same level--sometimes even worse. Another reason why I wouldn't want to send porn artists monthly stipends. Mizuryu Kei is one of the big ones--his anatomy has, if anything, gotten worse in the past few years, and his technique has barely improved since 2008.

I'm not saying you have to start out good and progress more and more towards Da Vinci with each piece you put out. I'm saying that I don't want to support an artist who will just stop trying after they feel like they're "good enough."

This thread breaks several rules and doesn't belong on /d/.

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>>6862908
No one said you had to please those kinds of people and usually I find those types of people are out for themselves trying to frame it like they're in the best interests of the artists or just have some self righteous attitude as though they're trying to "save" the artist from themselves or the so-called echo chamber.

A lot of artists I enjoy partake in shit I don't care for and I honestly don't care enough to get worked up over it so long as they provide me with good faps and are straight with me if I want something out of it (for a fee of course, not Satan here.)

I DO think however that improvement isn't an unrealistic expectation. It's the degree at which it's expected that could be troublesome. Maybe an artist could stand to improve hands or feet a little more.

Maybe an artist can control proportions + anatomy for varied types like the difference between drawing woman with slightly pronounced muscle tone and drawing a curvy queen rather than implanting one or the other on everyone unconsciously.

Maybe an artist could try revisiting the use of construction lines to build more discipline even if they've been drawing for years.

The point is sometimes it does a little good for a competent artist to do a reset every now and then to keep themselves fresh but the problem with going back to the basics is that it's associated TOO much with being a beginner and some artists take issue with being thought of as such.

You can have a huge following and still have mistakes you don't or barely work on and sometimes you might even have techniques that were done BETTER in your early days.

Drawing for fun is a noble principle but the fun doesn't stop just because someone sees potential in an artist and wants a little more out of them. It's just that you don't have to better yourself every waking hour. Even an accomplished chef can make a spin on their specialty dish every once in a while.

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>>6862924
Fair enough. I can understand not supporting someone who's getting worse, but improvement has a sharp increase incline when it comes to noticeable improvements, and it can take more than a couple of years to really see it.

>>6862946
I'm too tired to write a thorough response, but I wanted to say that I appreciate your mindset and wish more followers and clients were like you. It's a good mutual understanding mixed with a firm but gentle motivation to do better.

>>6862917
They're pretty niche and I'm one of the only known artists who draws it, so that'd give big hints to who I am.

>>6862896
>Also, tutorials behind a paywall seems to be the opposite of what a client wants much less a "fellow" artist. If you can afford the subscription for it, you either have a sweet day job or you're good enough to work in the industry anyway.

There are tons of free tutorials around the Internet available anyways if someone puts the effort you can find everything you need. Sure some might involve piracy but hey it is your moral choice. I don't think tutorials is something the average follower is interested in, they are not aspiring artists they just want to see pictures.

>>6862924
You know after a certain level improvement becomes harder and harder, slower and slower and much less apparent to the average person, no matter how much work you put into it.You know like pretty much all of other things in life. It's not a steady line one reach plateaus in their abilities which they take a lot of time to break through because they simply do not have the free anymore because they still have to deliver their stuff but living their life is still a thing. After they finally "made it" after working X years to improve and their effort finally came back. Now that their financial situation is not terrible they can finally take a breather and start focusing on other parts of their life which they probably neglected while they focused on GIT GUD SCRUB. But that does not mean that POOF, they are suddenly scammers who take your money and give you only cheap shit in return.

>>6862908
Well, damn, Sorry people expect something for their money.

Ass.

>>6863050
No, fuck you. You chose to give money to a Patreon knowing full well what that specific artist offers, so that's entirely your fault.

>>6860602
Already supporting but not the artist OP is referring to.

Why I do it? Because I like his/her work and don't care to commission anything. I just want to contribute to someones well being so that they have the chance to improve their work while also giving them something concrete for their effort. My point of view is this: Money is strong motivatior and if there is someone willing to give money for something I create, I get the feeling my work is being appreciated therefore I know I'm going the right way.

That is my view on this. This is why I'm a patron to few aspiring artists.

>>6861025
Sucking dick alone isn't as much fun, you know.

Also... Why care? I care for the arts. Not personality of the artist. Unless you really like drama and following people for their opinion? The you should go for politics or lurk threads on 4chan... oh right... Here we are.

>>6860602

But I am actively supporting up and coming /d/ artists - by commissioning them.

>>6862967
Well, it may not always be to my convenience but I understand that the artist's needs still come first and some armchair supporters or annoyed nitpickers can come off as imposing much to the point where it's easy to forget why you enjoyed doing something in the first place.

Honestly, crap like that is why I discourage being buddy-buddy with most watchers and followers unless they themselves draw or have some kind of technical knowhow with painting tools. Part of the reason for that is that those who aren't on the frontlines themselve tend to be very nosy and overly expectant of content aimed for them and can border on stalker-ish behavior. As far as the internet art-game is concerned, it's amazing how little the concept of "boundaries" flies with some people, so yeah you gotta be careful on that.

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>>6860602
Real talk, there's no such thing as a /d/ artists that involuntarily satisfies my needs, so I see no point in supporting a patreon when I have to commission them to get my kicks.

Hell, the most common fetish I can hope for is feet and Wokada provides that shit for free. I suppose I could support MeteorReb0rn's patreon because he's a cool guy and might actually give me things I want but he's the exception rather than the rule.

>favorite artist has a patreon
>is over 2 months mia still
>is active on twitter
>not even a post to say anything

I want good art and willing to pay for it and I still get fucked.

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>>6862908

Take this from a working digital artist that lives a very comfortable lifestyle, your thinking about this way too much.

Get Good. Get Money.

Having fun and getting better in art are two sides of the same coin. Want to see a /d/ example? I will give you two. InCase and Dmitry. They are reposted constantly and post new work prolifically. Both started drawing figures on plain backgrounds with shaky line quality, boring poses, and inconsistent quality. Now in 2016 they employ photomanipulation, paint over of 3D props and perspective techniques used by Matte Painters, Concept Artists and 3D Modelers. If you want to have real fun stop drawing the same stuff and learn to enjoy failing at new stuff that will push you.

Also about the 'cook' example...get used to the fact that no one will ever care about your struggles to make art aside from other artists. If I were you I'd find a community of non /d/ artists with permanent google hangouts and get critiques to thicken up your skin and open you up to new sources of inspiration/tools.

>>6865908
>posts two incredibly dull and soulless examples

Yeah no thanks

>>6860602
Because I'm broke as fuck...

>>6860602
Patreon is a nice idea in principle but it's really just a way to behave like a parasite on the internet

Remember when Fenoxo said TiTS would be released for everyone at the same time (backer or not) once the fourth planet was completed? He's completed the fourth planet and now he's saying he's going to release it consecutively 'when it's ready for release' (which won't happen, see CoC).

ASMR is probably the worst community for this, basically girls set up a patreon, wear a low-cut top on camera and get money for occasionally doing a video.

>>6865908
>Both started drawing figures on plain backgrounds with shaky line quality, boring poses, and inconsistent quality. Now in 2016 they employ photomanipulation, paint over of 3D props and perspective techniques used by Matte Painters, Concept Artists and 3D Modelers.

But Anon doesn't that mean that they didn't get better at what they do at all, they just started using more expensive tools that make the work much faster/easier? Since the two different examples of the pic you posted don't look much different at the core besides the 3D color and highlight and detail quality which come from the tools you listed.

Like adding a super detailed military equipment vest full of pockets and items would take a lot of effort to draw by hand but in a 3d tool you can just drag and drop over it. Same goes for a machine gun, you don't need to know foreshortening or perspective or how does one hold it in his hand you just drag an drop it on and go from there.

So are you not only advocating the purchase and usage of more expensive tools instead of the GIT GOOD principle?

>>6865968
>>Patreon is a nice idea in principle but it's really just a way to behave like a parasite on the internet
You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. A parasite forcefully takes/steals from the host without the host's consent, although usually in a way that the host doesn't suffer a lot of harm but still it is strictly a one way street.

Patreon does not work that way, supporters have full control over who they support, how much and also have the power to cancel their support. If they do not get what they got promised in writing they can still ask the creator for a refund. Which people actually often do, they actively harass creators even if they got their things in hope just to get a few bucks back, which of course prevent the creators from working on providing their content.

Just something for you to think about while you are busy collectively calling creators scammers that put crap on your table and laugh in your face while they light their cigars with hundred dollar bills.

>>6865968
Huh? Is there some other difference between the free and the backer build of tits than that the free build is (usually) somewhat older? Like how it's currently about one month behind the backer build?

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>>6865968
Wouldn't the fact that piracy exists defeat the whole principle of free builds and pay builds in this situation? All you need is one paying person to upload his build to somewhere and he will be hailed as a hero by the non paying people.

>>6866005
Better question would be whether piracy defeats the purpose of all non-free digital material. No, as long as some people pay.

The situation with TiTS is kinda comical. Anon makes lots of noise about how lazy and greedy Fenoxo is and how full of shit his game is, but then demands the latest backer build, which (assuming lazy Fenoxo) isn't going to be that different from the free version.
That is, unless there's really some other difference I'm not aware of.

>>6860602
Because Toranoana doesn't ship overseas.

Shit western belongs on /aco/

Take your shilling there faggot

Artist here.
I made work for many people in this ambient, and I am moving here in /d/, where I have done a fanfic for an anon.

Patreon is for big sharks or for feminists.

>>6866053
Anon being a faggot does not preclude Fen being a faggot. These are mutually compatible ideas.

>>6862970
Cmon, shamelessly promote yer stuff, it cant be THAT niche... Can it? (Honestly have no clue who you could be)