BDSM thread

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probably the best bondage pic I've seen in months

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>>6772055
Source for the love of god.

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>>6773868
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/883296/4f39215f1c/

Bumping for bondage

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Is
/bdsm/ dead?

Did it literally die?

Where are all the namefags?

Did they go somewhere else?


This is very boring without them...

>>6772050
straitjackets turn me on. Have more like this?

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>>6778175
Still around, just not naming cause people still get on tilt when there is an actual conversation :/

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>>6778175
They forfeited the right to discussion when they turned their threads into facebook groups.

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>>6778478
Not that anon but I can satisfy your fetish

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>>6778582

I agree with this sentiment pretty much; I got tired of seeing BDSM threads full of nothing *but* conversation but with no pictures posted.

Ironic, because I started this thread because I need some advice on this porn I'm writing and now nobody will talk at all.

Fortunately, I can fill the "pictures" part pretty goddamn easily.

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Wish this position/tie was depicted more often. So wonderfully efficient.

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>>6779724
and that's about all folks

>>6779525
Thanks anon

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>>6778175
Yeah, /bdsmg/ is dead as a doornail. I didn't have a problem with the concept per say, but they brought it upon themselves by being douchebags. Namefags would only talk to other namefags, while rudely ignoring everybody else. And often they would just argue and hurl insults at each other over the smallest of things, while not even posting porn while they were at it. And when they did post porn, it was often just reposts of reposts of reposts. So yeah, the fact that they became hated was their own goddamned fault.

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>>6778175
I'm pretty sure it just died because of that BDSM test everyone kept fucking doing and posting results for. Everyone just got mad after that and that's when the drama came to a head

I feel pretty bad cause I was the first one to share it just out of curiosity to see if it was legit or not. I inadvertently killed /bdsmg/, should I feel good or bad about that?

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>>6780317
You put it out of it's misery.

>>6781417
sauce

>>6782163
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=47581225

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No drama, lots of porn... BDSM thread is finally back to it's good old self!

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>>6784002
Don't jinx it.

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Just in case this thread goes south like many of the others, remember there are off-site communities where the autism can be banned away. Some of them have their own website too. So don't give up if the threads go sour, just find the communities that fuel these threads.

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>we complained about /bdsmg/ because of discussion and circlejerking, and not enough porn posting
>the pics that were posted were the same 200 or so reposts every thread, just cycling it
>/bdsmg/ dead
>now threads are 90% reposted pictures from 2 threads ago, still being recycled
>no discussion, the little there is gets shat upon or told to post pics

I feel like we haven't improved the BDSM threads that much. We just traded one evil for another.

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Anyways, I'm done lamenting how nothing has changed, just gonna be posting stuff

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also, apparently my harddrive with all my /d/ related images crashed recently, so kind of low on shit.

>>6786327
>now threads are 90% reposted pictures from 2 threads ago, still being recycled

op here, please tell me it isn't that bad

I thought I had some new stuff

I THOUGHT IT WAS AT LEAST SLIGHTLY NEW

>>6785604
Well, fuck it.
If we think these threads are shit now, then let's try to bring the discussion back.

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>>6786327
I've seen quite a few discussions happen on these threads. There's just always that one faggot who gets all pissy and ruins it though

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>>6786589
I don't think theyre shit now. I think this is the best BDSM thread we've had in months because people aren't sperging out at each other. I'm just saying for the future.

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Anyone know a good BDSM meetup in Seattle? Getting out of this podunk the first week of May and want to put myself out there and learn some.

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>>6787529
Well, I came here because I wanted to talk about people's experiences with rope, how long they've been doing it, how long it took them to learn etc etc etc.

Maybe we can start that up again?

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>>6788016
Just try fetlife. You're bound to find something on there

>>6788651
Well done

>>6785186
is this a standalone pic or is it part of a series?

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>>6789710

and how: http://exhentai.org/g/755253/961ec7a9aa/

>>6779783
Source for that one? It looks like it's from some hentai.

Okay guys, I know this is neither the time nor the place, but maybe some of you guys can relate.

How do you get find the courage to go out and meet new people? I hate myself so much that I can't even believe other people can like me.

I can't fathom how you guys actually speak about your kinks. I can't even speak about the normal parts of me.

>>6792111

step 1: therapy

step 2: repeat step 1 until you figure out step 3

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I'll do some bondage quick sketch sorta requests if anyone has them!! Here's a cool pic I've been working on too I'm planning on making it a sorta flash thing where you can choose out what gags and it has a little bit of tween animation for her struggling.

>>6792529

So i gotta trust a therapist?

How do you even start a conversation about that. I tried to talk with my doctor about it once, but when push came to shove I couldn't take her judging me. She will think I'm fucking crazy.

It ain't easy hating yourself.

>>6793432
If this is in relation to the fetish community maybe you should try the website "fetlife". They can host local public area meet up's with other fetish lovers on a safe public environment or you can talk online til you build the courage . (FYI maybe you should not go to 4chan for advise on getting out there)

>>6793436

Don't worry, i know not to take most of this seriously. I just need to vent stuff like this, and anonymity is great.

It's not only fetish, I just know that the day i can share that i can share anything. My problem is much more general than that even when i hang out with my friends I'm convinced they don't like me.

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>>6788016
Rain City TNG and the CSPC are likely to provide what you're looking for

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>>6793034
No requests are coming to mind, but I just want to say I enjoy your art :)

>>6779770
source?

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>>6772055
I like this law. It is of great benefit to society as a whole, as it allows for these sexual degenerates to be purged from the gene pool through stds.

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Man, I really miss the /bdsmg/.
I had a few questions I wanted to ask them, too.

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>200 replies
>190 images

Good times are here again.

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>>6797170
No, you don't. Seriously, you think you miss them because they're gone. You don't actually.

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>>6797187
Did they all get banned or what? I've been gone a few months.

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>>6797187
I probably would miss them but to be fair, the last time I looked at those threads was about seven months ago. I just want to ask a few miscellaneous things.

>>6793034
Are you still taking requests, I have one for you
I request this original character bending over and revealing a large bunny tail butt plug and three or so pill vibrators going into her pussy.
If you look at her from behind, she has no straps or clothing on her back. Her "top" is a choker with that decorative strap running down her front.

>>6797187
blizzard dev spotted

>>6797170
I was an active member in those a while back, you had a question?

>>6797187
most of them weren't nearly as bad as you think they were.

>>6797191
nah, we moved on when people like >>6797183
started shit-spamming threads, in time the cycle will progress and we'll likely return.

>>6793034
>I'll do some bondage quick sketch sorta requests
a woman of dark-ish complexion and tribal tattoos bound to a tree, crucifix style, with a spear tied to the same tree as the crossbar.(her arms are tied to it). her clothes and some parts of armor shredded off. next to her, on a table or a cloak spread on the ground lie various implements like a Scourge, single-tailed whip, flexible quirt, thumb/nipple screws, etc...requesting either a face of total abject despair, or mild fearful defiance...

>>6799079
Yeah, I got a question.
What are the steps you take to getting someone to let you tie them up, and other do and ABSOLUTELY don'ts?

I was thinking of printing out my criminal record (which is clean), but I'm wondering if that's weird and most importantly, completely unnecessary.

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>>6799230
No. The best way is to ease into it. The less weird you make it, the less weird it will be. Ask if you can tie their hands with a belt or scarf or such during sex, and work from there. Printing out your police records will just give off the exact creepy vibes you're trying to avoid

DON'T: Ignore signs of discomfort and displeasure from your sub. The secret to these kind of relationships that keeps them away from rape territory is that the Sub ALWAYS has the final say of when something is going to far and when to stop.

>>6779730
Fantastic work my man.

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>>6799230
this guy knows his shit. >>6799408 and I endorse this post fully.

additionally, see the right side of this diagram.
the red circle areas are NOT for tight rope-work

NEVER put a loop around the neck

ALWAYS have something nearby to cut the bindings off with, bandage scissors are best, but there are some companies that make specialty knives with inward curving blades and blunted tips, like a Karambit without a point.

as to getting someone to try, I just asked some female friends the first few times and they let me. if you're in a relationship already try asking if they want to try something a little different. scarves and belts work great as starter bondage material.

more comprehensive answer when I get back from work.

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>>6799408
Well, my idea was that after meeting, the first thing I would do is get an remote alarm that can be worn on the wrist, and that upon hearing it go of, everything stops immediately.

For the other thing, I thought getting a copy of my record (even though it's blank) might seem a little weird/desperate.
It's just that there's a LOT of weirdos in my area, and I've often heard stories about the kind of crap they try to pull. I just want to tie someone up, so thought the idea of transparency might show that I don't have any other horseshit intentions

But at the same time, the only time I've ever even had to think about my criminal record is when I was trying to move into a new place, and they told me that I had to bring a copy of it. They actually won't even give you one if you don't have anything on the record, I had to ask for a blank one with a signature. So that's why I thought it might be a little weird to even bring up.

I'm the kind of person that would rather come off as a little awkward than misunderstood (within reasonable limitations, of course, I'm not crazy/stupid)
I guess my problem is that I while I know how to talk to people, and hold a basic conversation I find it hard to get close to people.

I guess I'll just practice on my rope-work for now.

>>6799933
>It's just that there's a LOT of weirdos in my area,
where do you live? Florida?

and my suggestion, as it is in lots of threads is this. GO TO A MUNCH, join a group online that hosts public place meet and greets. you'll find someone into that much faster than finding a girlfriend and then introducing the kinky stuff.

if you go to a munch and you don't like the group(or they don't like you) PICK ANOTHER GROUP AND GO TO THEIR MUNCH. KEEP DOING THAT it will seriously improve your chances.

Fetlife is what I use, but I'm pretty sure there are other websites.

DONT bring a printed copy of your criminal record thats way too suspicious.

>>6800075
I've been to munches, and I'm going to a rope group in a few weeks.
I was only thinking of that as an idea to show I'm not a scumbag upon coming to an greement to someone. I'm not THAT autistic. The last time I've thought about it since bringing it up now was when I had to go get it to move into some place, and that was like 3 years ago.

>>6800225
just saying.

and if you go to munches the simplest way is the direct way, find a girl at the munch walk up and say "you are very attractive, and I think it would be fun to tie you up. Are you into that?" she'll either turn you down or take you up on the offer, if she turns you down, you apologize, ask if she knows anyone else who might be into that and either move on, or gain her help stalking your next opportunity.

oh, and if it turns out she's taken apologize and move on without additional comment...

>>6799230
Beyond what's been posted, have communication protocols in place. You need some sort of safewords and I'd recommend something simple like green/yellow/red because in the heat of the moment antidisestablishmentarianism/supercalifragilisticexpialidocious/karmakarmakarmachameleon gets unwieldy. Accidentally saying something that sounds like "red" can fuck up your evening, missing a stop word can fuck up a lot more.

And you can check status if you're concerned ot just feel it's been long enough since your last check. Green is go. (trust but still keep alert for issues)

If using gags, holding something and dropping it to signal is good. This of course makes your "safety channel" less nuanced. That is an issue with anything that messes with communication.

That's about what you _need_ for communication during play.

It's _nice_ to also have an "I need to talk" signal - being able to communicate that you're starting to get a bit numb in your left arm or that you're gonna need to go to the shitter in a bit but no need to wrap up right fucking now is good.

>>6800938
While we're asking questions, how much ropework should someone know before they start asking?

>>6802932
depends really.

if you have no skills you should instead ask for a mentor, they will sometimes be able to provide you with the skills AND a test person for you to practice on.

possibly asking at a party with a safety overwatch.

>>6797533
There is some weird psychological satisfaction from being replied to by another anon on the internet to our post.

Well here's your reply, and I hope you attain some satisfaction from it. I most definitely enjoyed your comment and feel that it deserved at least +1 internet/acknowledgement. Try posting a pr0n with your witty comments next time, might be seen easier... I say hypocritically, since I am on the computer that doesn't have my porn stash on it. It's okay I guess because this post wasn't witty.

>>6802932
Lindybeige has a good guide for beginner's first rope tying.

>>6802932
IMO you need to know very little ropework. But you absolutely need to NOT pretend you know more than you do.

>>6799549
I've found that gardening pruning shears work well for cutting rope, and if you're shy, they're fairly inconspicuous. They're cheapish too.

>>6807336
Better than nothing, but you really want something like EMT shears available.

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>>6799408
Assuming the dom deliberately goes too far and the session becomes actual rape, could the practice still be called BDSM?

>>6809530
Not really. Consent is one of the foundations on which BDSM is built on. When you say that you're into BDSM, your partner should be able to trust that there will always be consent involved. If you breach that trust, you're tainting the perception of BDSM for everybody. As well as being a massive tool.

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>>6810154
It actually would still be BDSM. Because one person doesn't want it to happen doesn't mean what happens is not BDSM.

What's a good book to read learn the ropes, pun intended?

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>>6810177
This is also why BDSM ultimately isn't "about trust".
There's stuff on gelbooru tagged with
>rape
>bdsm
Are you telling me the artist wrongly tagged it?

Because they didn't.

>>6810154
>>6810202
Consent is part and parcel of the practice of BDSM. If you go to a BDSM convention, everyone will tell you that consent is important. If consent is so widely regarded as important in BDSM circles, then to follows that consent is important to BDSM.

Thus, while BDSM as a fetish is not innately tied to consent, BDSM as a practice is. If the "C" part of SSC is lost, then the practice just becomes sexual abuse with the fetishistic trappings of BDSM. Porn tagging is related to those fetishistic trappings, not the actual sexual practice involved, so no, that's not an erroneous set of tags.

I'm no prescriptivist; you can use the words however you want, but in my experience, it seems to me that consent is a very important part of the real-life practice called "BDSM".

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>>6810233
>If you go to a BDSM convention, everyone will tell you that consent is important.
Because a convention is a place where like minded people gather and discuss how to make the experience as enjoyable as possible for everyone. Of course consent is important in this circumstance.

>while BDSM as a fetish is not innately tied to consent, BDSM as a practice is
No, as I explained above rape can still involve BDSM and BDSM can involve rape.

>If the "C" part of SSC is lost, then the practice just becomes sexual abuse with the fetishistic trappings of BDSM
Absolutely agree, but SSC is a concept which isn't necessary to call a practice "BDSM".

>not the actual sexual practice involved
There you're wrong. Let's take the tags for example. Just because it's rape and not consensual doesn't make it less BDSM than consensual practice. It's simply not consensual anymore.

>consent is a very important part of the real-life practice called "BDSM"
Important for your enjoyment. This however is not a foundation for a general definition.

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Anyone got anything else like pic related? Where someone is left in strict bondage for a very long time, and is dehydrated/barely conscious/exhausted at the end of it?
Source here btw https://hitomi.la/galleries/929168.html

>>6803206
Here's your (you).

>>6810270
Damn it, are you really back advocating rape?

Fuck off you moronic swine

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>>6811847
I wish the captcha revolved around reading comprehension.

>>6788651
Fantastic post. You killed my boner with a good dose of comedy.

>>6786342
Ew, homogay.

>>6811901
And I wish there weren't rape advocates in this thread, making it such a toxic environment.

Don't support them you sicko

>>6811901
you know, if you'd simply stop being wrong about Genuine Rape™ being a potential component part of BDSM. you wouldn't have to get your shit railed by everyone.

>>6779771
Holy shit this picture.
All that juice flowing onto her face...
hnnnng

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>>6813388
That's not me but a person with common sense.
You don't have any arguments to disprove me btw.
You're in denial.

>>6793432
dude trust me, I used to be in the same position as you and down the road i ended up talking a girl into being friends with benefits for my foot fetish. shit works

Got some requests for some anons
>chasity belt
>vibrator turture/tease and denial

>>6793432
if you can't deal with groups talk directly to a therapist about it. start like this.

"I have fetishes that I'm self-conscious about, and I'm having trouble meeting/dating/getting to know people because of it, can you help me?"

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>>6810270
not him, but BDSM stands for Bondage, dominance, sado and maso. If you think about it, three of them requires consent. Otherwise, they're just some degree of abuse

I think the main problem with bdsm is that people think it as bdsm = bondage, and you don't really require consent to tie someone up. That's probably the issue with the tags in some booru sites

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>>6813802
Domination, sadism and masochism don't require consent sweetheart.

>>6813802

They do? Would you agree that regular ass vanilla sex could be rape? If you do, then why doesn't the same apply to BDSM?

Regular vanilla sex requires consent, otherwise it's just abuse. We still call rape sex tough. Almost everything in life can be abusive if you do it to someone unwilling.

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>>6813802
Well, I'd say it's rather simple to see that neither domination nor sadism require consent. It is obvious that constent of the 'subject' is not required if we consider the usage of these words outside of sexual context. I do not see any reason why this would be different when applying the terms to a sexual context.

Masochism is a tricky one. While you would expect consent to be required for this aspect, it is important to note that Maschosim (and Sadism, in fact) are commonly defined in terms of receiving pleasure from certain acts. It is entirely possible to receive pleasure form an act that unconsensual and even hated, e.g. if you hate the person performing this act on you or if the situation is embarrassing or uncomfortable. (This is IMO one of the worst parts of sexual abuse: receiving sexual pleasure can become a traumatic experience long after the abuse)

Note that this does not mean that sexual abuse is OK or that BDSM is inherently related to abuse. I beleive that abuse of any form should be limited to fiction and roleplay. It does mean that BDSM and abuse do not conflict eachother, so it is possible that an act is both rape and BDSM.

Additionally, in the context of pictures, it is almost always impossible to determine whether there is consent unless it is explicitely mentioned in the context. So, some people may tag a certain picture as "rape", because they make certain contextual assumptions. (I employ this trick to pretend that explicitely non-consensual stories are consensual: I assume the participants have, before the start of the story, agreed to do whatever happens in the story)

To be honest, I actually consider bondage to be the closest contender to require consent, since I consider bondage to be "tying someone up, who has no intention to leave regardless", as to make a distinction with just tying someone up. However, I don't think this definition is very standard, so you may ignore this point.

But this is all arguing about semantics.

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>>6813388
>>6813225
You're both wrong.

Yes it is wrong to rape.

No rape is not involved in legal and common bdsm practices.

However, if you tie someone up and dominate them in a BDSM fashion without their consent, it is still BDSM without the consent.

You are letting your emotions get in the way of you ability to not be retarded.

So instead of being a bitch, try going back to Tumblr.

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> (I employ this trick to pretend that explicitely non-consensual stories are consensual: I assume the participants have, before the start of the story, agreed to do whatever happens in the story)

my negro

I once met a girl who liked erps, and my dick went diamonds everytime she entered the "rape but not rape" territory

>>6814778
meant to>>6814480

Ethics isn't identical to set theory.

Just because youre a pedantic logician doesn't make you a rapist or rape apologist, and just because you want to fap without predicate quantifier logic doesn't mean you can't read english.

Fuck!

Just stop trying to justify your rape fetish in here.

Go to some sick twisted site where you can jerk it while being a mental nut job.

Just keep it out of here

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don't forget...

>>6815123
Never forget the day the rapists got raped and suddenly didn't like it

>>6815123
Kek, the rape advocate bitch got fucked

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>>6815113
>Just stop trying to justify your rape fetish in here.
How about stop posting TL;DR shit in here entirely? Text-only threads can go on >>>/trash/

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>>6815131
>>6815146
>>6815113

I didn't get raped. None of my arguments were ever disproven.
As I told you before I'm not advocating and not your enemy. This seems to be very personal and stressful to you, but I have been challenged and provoked so I'm definitely going to defend this point.

I repeat: I haven't been proven wrong.

>>6815123
Hold on, this is just dumb. People can't possibly be that stupid

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>>6815123
I think I see a correlation between stupid posts and those without an image attached to them.
Remember, keep posting porn.

>>6815163
>None of my arguments were ever disproven.
didn't that guy send you packing with a debated position that was stronger than your own? granted its past the end of the image in >>6815123 but you were disproven and sent away

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>>6815238
No. As a last attempt at agreement I offered something like this
>You have your definition and I accept it as correct
>However your definition is not universally true
And that's what it is.
Saying something like
>BDSM is always consensual
or
>BDSM is about trust
is not universal.

It might apply to your practice, but it's wrong when formulated as a general description.

I was begging
>can we please come to this agreement
so the madness would stop, but he denied so I said
>fuck it, this discussion is vain anyway

But I got mad at this outcome so now I'm here rightfully defending my point and refuting stupid cunts.

>>6815247
The only stupid cunt here is you

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>>6815274
Still my arguments remain invictus.

>>6815221
>>6815247
>Samefagging in the name of rape

Plz go

>>6815277
Your argument is literally
"I'm not wrong, you are"

Brainwashed Stockholm syndromed kid, please get out

Your years of captivity with your rapist show how uneducated you are

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>>6815279
I'm never samefagging. There's at least one other person with common sense and the ability of basic logical thinking in this thread.

Are memes all you have? Try to proving me wrong instead.
You're not even a challenge.

>>6815247
>You have your definition and I accept it as correct

Then shut the fuck up about your rape fetish

>>6815283
>not posting proof you're not samefagging
Guilty
>claims of memes
Not a single meme used

Are you... Are you on crack?

>>6815238
Some guy did crush the bitch, and this bitch needs to pack it up and leave again

>>6815247
If you didn't want trouble, don't post your bullshit rape support posts

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Wish /bdsmg/ had been put down before the cancer spread.

>>6815247
How much alcohol did your mom drink when she was pregnant?

Cause I'm betting on quite a lot

>>6815295
Pro-rape cancer is the worst

Not sure if this is the place but i was wondering if there was a "sex toy" itching powder-like stuff? Most of the "itching powder" stuff I find is basically cheap children toys that have shit quality control / might not even work.

>>6815247
>Saying something like
>>BDSM is always consensual
>or
>>BDSM is about trust
>is not universal.
It 100% is and you should get your chromosomes checked.

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why there's a rape discussion on /d/ of all places?

anyway, post rapeable girls

>>6815343
Because you're the same cunt advocating for rape

Nice try samefag

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It seems we're talking about definitions so...
Non-consensual sex is rape.
Masochism: the condition in which sexual gratification depends on suffering physical pain or humiliation.
Someone who is subjected to rape does -Not- feel gratification about being raped, don't even try to deny this, just don't.
So, someone being raped isn't a masochist but a victim, thus what happens is not BDSM.
Also on the Discipline side of the issue... I'm pretty sure that if the receiving side isn't consenting, it's not discipline, it's just beating them up. For it to be discipline the receiving party must recognize the authority of the giving party. Mind, not "power" "authority" which is a different thing.
So... to be BDSM the consent is needed, and for consent to be there trust is needed.

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>>6815484
>Someone who is subjected to rape does -Not- feel gratification about being raped, don't even try to deny this, just don't.
We could start arguing about this, but I don't really know about it and also I don't need it to prove my point.

>So, someone being raped isn't a masochist but a victim, thus what happens is not BDSM.
They don't need to be a masochist. BDSM does not require a sadist and a masochist to be called BDSM. Autoerotic bondage for example only requires one masochist and it is still considered BDSM.

>For it to be discipline the receiving party must recognize the authority of the giving party. Mind, not "power" "authority" which is a different thing.
You're telling me authority must be accepted to be established.
You're terribly wrong. This is pretty self explanatory, but here are some common definitions if you doubt it:
>authority
>the power to determine, adjudicate, or otherwise settle issues or disputes
>the right to control, command, or determine
>the power to give orders or make decisions

>discipline
>control that is gained by requiring that rules or orders be obeyed and punishing bad behavior
>a way of behaving that shows a willingness to obey rules or orders

The victim doesn't need to like it and can still be disciplined. Do you think a dog won't be disciplined because it doesn't want to accept the authority of its master?

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>>6815484
This is hentai board, right? The amount of consensual bdsm in hentai is miniscule

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>>6815484
>Someone who is subjected to rape does -Not- feel gratification about being raped, don't even try to deny this, just don't.
This is a very dangerous, but unfortunately common, thought. I'm not sure what you consider to be "sexual gratification", but many sources confirm the fact that some victims of sexual abuse have experienced sexual arousal during the absuse, see http://kalimunro.com/wp/articles-info/sexual-emotional-abuse/sexual-feelings-during-abuse for instance. Note that this is neither the norm nor that this somehow justifies sexual abuse, it is the unfortunate reality.

On a more general note, I think that people should be more careful when making assumptions about whether the inclusion or exclusion of certain personal factors. For instance, most people would assume that a persons feelings and thoughts or will are always in agreement with eachother, while this may be false -- as is the case above -- and leads to misunderstandings and stigma. So, please make an effort to be openmindend, even if this means to accept a horrible reality. (note that this is NOT the same as approval)

Speaking of confusion, I think I may have a resolution to this discussion. Although I disagree that Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masochism require consent, it can be said that BDSM is more than merely a combination of those parts. BDSM is a method of having sex, and all common definitions of this practice indeed have consent as an important condition.

Note that the inclusion of consent is moot with respect to fictional images, however. As >>6814778 mentioned, all rape in fiction can be considered "merely pretending" and what is fiction, but merely pretending?

>>6815279
Please, refrain from posting if you have nothing to add, such as an image. This is an imageboard dedicated to pornography and it is disrespectful to make a lot of posts without posting images

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>>6816174
>BDSM is a method of having sex, and all common definitions of this practice indeed have consent as an important condition.

Prove to me that BDSM is a reserved term with a distinct definition which includes consent as a premise.

I agree that there can be multiple definitions and some are more common than others, however, you also have to accept that an absolute statement like
>BDSM requires consent
is simply false.

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>>6816177
>>6816178
The troubles of double posting, and that with so little posts left... Ah well, no use in crying over spilt milk.

Regarding to your point, I currently believe that BDSM does require consent. However, I have no way to prove this. Since BDSM is essentially internet slang, its precise definition is rather tricky and often poorly documented. Although wikipedia mentions consent as an essential part of BDSM, wikipedia is rarely to be trusted on these rather political issues. OED does not mention consent in the defition of BDSM, but that definition is merely a draft and does cite the quote:
>1994 Washington Times 27 Nov. a6/1 He said BDSM refers only to sexual activity that involves ‘mutual consent’ and insists it is ‘not abuse’.

So, in absence of a proper authority or high quality sources on this issue, I believe there is little for us to do other than agree to disagree.

The fact that there are multiple definitions does not mean that one cannot make statements using a particular one, as long as you clarify which definition is being used.

So, I will continue to use my definition, as you may continue to use yours. Regardless, this is all silly wordplay. As I've stated already, whether or not consent is required for BDSM, the kind of pictures to be posted in this thread remains the same.

Since I do not have a fetish for pointless arguments, I think I've said enough. Let's hope the next thread will have more porn, and less discussion.

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>>6816194
Are you the guy I argued with last time until the thread died?

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>its another "rape fetishist tries to justify raping somebody" episode
move along gents

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>>6816214
If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, right mate?