Mosaic creator making readers woke

>>95288960
Why not make an Asian character? Why does "diverse" always mean Black?

>>95288960
>Marvel recruits "talent" from the forums of its shill sites.
This explains so much.

I took exception to the description of Booster Gold as a one joke character

>>95288960
>dissing Booster
Fuck this faggot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zh2C0_kLhw

>[redacted]
Is this weird moderation or just autism

>>95289104
Autism

>>95288960
But Marvel already has plenty of black superheroes. If anything one of the biggest problems of ANAD/Now(er) was too much diversity. All the black characters were pushed to the front while the white ones were pushed far to the side.
You gotta have a balance.

>>95289053
You're a total and certìfied retard, even more so than the OP

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>>95288960
>grrrr why won't whitey read my book
>better talk shit about more of their own accomplishments

Why are blacks so insufferable Jesus Christ

>>95288960
Fuck you, I love Green Lantern.

>>95288960
>Guy tries to do something that literally no one has ever done before and create a new black superhero with new original powers (because all superheroes are white and there's no black superheroes)
>Picture shows him saying soemthing different
Nice try, Milo.

>>95289007
Kid Kaiju is half Japanese but Monsters Unleashed doesn't sell well either. I love it but my /ss/goggles are on tight enough to ship Kei x Elsa Bloodstone.

>>95289174
underrated post

You didn't need to frontload the OP with B8, anon. Could have just said "Mosaic's creator is shit, not unlike the comic itself."

>>95288960
Good on him for trying something new and not destroying an old character. I can't blame his little regressive heart if he wants to mature and expand "diversity", especially since he didn't want the character to be a token.

>>95288960
>not a stereotype of any kind
He's a black basketball player.
And he's a black guy who's power is STEALING people's bodies.

Dumbass.

>hating on based Booster
Maybe the KKK is right after all?

>>95288960
Fuck man, posting CBR stuff here is MY job!

>>95289216

I didn't even realize Monsters Unleashed was a thing.

this low-key damage control of made him inhuman out of MUH KIRBY RESPECT and not because ike is shilling inhumans everywhere as a mandate

>>95288960
>this thread again

>>95289216
Probably because it's also a shithuman

>>95289148
Your "What if Deadman was an Inhuman?" black basketball player Doughnut Steel was shit, Thorne.

>>95288960
1. No one cares about Inhumans. Making him an Inhuman was your first mistake.
2. The character itself was just really boring and not very interesting.


Compare this to another Inhuman, Kamala Kahn. Kamala Kahn is popular (although she was more popular before Secret Wars/Civil War2 but I digress). True, she has the mantle of a former superhero, but so did other heroes who crashed and burned. Kamala survived because she had a loving and funny personality. And her writing felt like a modern quirky version of the Lee/ditko Spider-Man era of comics that attracted readers and the media.

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I'm Doctor Anime Reaction Face, and I'm prescribing some high dosage Redpills ITT:

The reason why new characters aren't selling well is because comics are a dying medium in and of themselves, They're obsolete, and the only real audience they have is the audience they've had for the past 20 years, give or take.

The reason people still read Booster Gold, is because he's Booster Gold, a character whose fanbase is old.

The reason why nobody is buying your new character is that he probably is mediocre, and not at all groundbreaking. You have to be really good to be a popular new comic, especially if you're a superhero.

>>95289509
>Kamala Kahn is popular
Not anymore she isn't. She's selling worse than Carol.

>>95289492
You apparently think he was recruited FROM the forums instead of just being an idiot and posting on them. Thorne is stupid, but it's a wonder you can even type.

>>95289514
Quality has no bearing on sales.

I don't actually disagree with you but Mosaic could have been groundbreaking and still failed

>>95289514
Comics sold more and more year on year for the past 5 years. Comics aren't in trouble, only cape comics might be - and only Marvel at that.

>>95289352
yes but he got cucked instead of doing the cucking

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>Mosaic
>like that gaimanesque GL book starred by John Stewart

>>95289593
No, you either have to have recognition or be good to sell. That's why something like Saga sells, because it's good. You can get by on name recognition, like Whor.

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>>95289660
>Saga sells, because it's good

>>95289660
>Saga
>good
lmaooooooooooooo

>>95289660
>Saga sells, because it's good.
No.

>>95289514
>The reason why new characters aren't selling well is because comics are a dying medium in and of themselves
Not really true. Damian Wayne and the Court of Owls are fairly recent characters that have been widely accepted and have now featured prominently in media adaptations such as animation, video games, etc. If the characters are actually interesting and not shit then they have a good chance at getting a foothold.

>>95288960
>minority characters don't get the shots
forget about the fact that mutants are minorities regardless of ethnicity. not getting shots? that's false, and you can bring in the minority characters THAT ALREADY EXIST and showcase them.

>>95289742
>Court of Owls
>interesting
I totally get what you're going for, but you couldn't pick a worse example if you tried.

>>95289139
>white characters were pushed to the side
false.

GOOD characters were pushed to the side.

>>95288960
Man I agree with him on some points but for fucks sake leave Booster Gold out of this.

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>>95289514
>is because he's Booster Gold, a character whose fanbase is old.
Wrong. It's because he's entertaining and charming enough of a character to warrant a degree of adoration from comic book readers in the first place.
Of course I'm not at all surprised that the Mosaic's creator couldn't comprehend the idea.

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>>95289691
>>95289720
different anon here

it is superior writing and art to much of the mainstream comics. yes it has some trashy liberal lines in it, but all three of you are in fucking denial.

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>>95289919
Too bad they're more successful and accepted by the wider no matter how much you hate them.

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>>95289742
I feel like Jon Kent is the next big emergent character. Reception for him has been extremely positive everywhere.

>>95288960
>Guy tries to do something that literally no one has ever done before and create a new black superhero with new original powers (because all superheroes are white and there's no black superheroes)
This probably stems back to the 90s when every new black hero except Rhodey was some henchman turned vigilante with aids. I ain't kidding just look up Shadowhawk or Spawn's pal chapel

>>95288960
>Marvel writer tries to prop up their character by shitting on DC and their characters.
I'm starting to believe that current Marvel writers are handed a script that directs them to shit on DC because this is way too common.

>>95290101
>Still no Superboy jacket avaliable to buy.
What the fuck DC?!

>>95289679
>>95289691
>>95289720
Why are people shitting on Saga now? This board loved (or at least really liked) it when it cam out

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>>95289514
Fuck your red pills, time for the green and purple medication

>>95290003
And you know, has a really great character arc and a personality that's deeper than a puddle.

>>95290222

thank you, doctor Trips

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>But a few highly placed fanboys keep bringing him back

Booster hasn't shown up in over 5 years (beyond Convergence) and before 52, hadn't done anything but EXTREME Justice. He's probably not the go to guy to claim about pushing.

>>95290076
So is Zsasz. Must be a good character too.

>>95288960
http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?101027-Marvel-s-Sales-of-August-2017/page14
kek, based legion autist BTFO him

>>95289514
>dying medium
>only print media that has grown in sales the last 5 years
Pick one and only one

>>95290123
It does seem like it.

>>95289742

Damian is an easy pill for people to swallow because he's
A) A Robin
B) A wayne.

Attaching a new character to the bat family is a surefire way to make them popular, unless the character is just that fucking awful.

>>95290144
I still read it, but the story has fallen off a bit, it doesn't really seem to be going anywhere. It's not nearly as good as it was in the beginning.

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>>95288960
>Minority characters don't get the shots.

Correct. Minority characters are shit.
Characters who happen to be minorites, however, are received just fine.

>>95290406
It's a shame that outcast Talon didn't stick around longer. I enjoyed his stuff and his final fight with Lord Death Man.

>>95290332
zsasz is a 25 year old character that took 30 years to get an adaptation, what a retarded counterargument. This would make sense if Zsaz was a villain in the Schumacher movie, but guess what, he wasn't!

>>95290332
Well, they're both WAY better than Mosaic, so sure.

>>95290441
swap 30 and 25 my bad

>>95290441
It's no more of a retarded argument than saying "only interesting and not characters get popular" then using the most generic ancient conspiracy as an example, you complete dingleberry.

>>95290406
>Attaching a new character to the bat family is a surefire way to make them popular
>Cassie Cain
>Stephanie Brown
>Harper Rowe
>Duke Thomas
>etc.
Sure.

>>95290450
I'd say they're all equally one-note boring shit.

>>95290485
Steph and Cass both had fairly long solo series and are still around today. Harper and Duke are shit though.

>>95288960
> Inhuman
You failed even before you began

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>>95290101
>sons of famous super heroes
>not being popular.

Not saying they are bad. but they are not groundbreaking either.

>>95290485
All of them have pretty dedicated fan bases that constantly create content for them, even if they aren't extremely large. Compare that with someone like Vril Dox II, main character of three titles that span ~150 issues altogether, who at best has a vague connection to Superman and like 15 fans on a good day.

>>95290479
No, it is since the argument hinged on rapid transition to adaptation and you cited a character that took decades. I don't even like the COO I think they're a black glove rip off, but you're full of shit if you think they haven't been by and large seen as interesting and compelling by DC/Batman fans. I'm not even the person who posted the COO thing btw.

>>95290533
>sons of famous super heroes
>not being popular.
Chris Kent, Helena Wayne, Lyta Trevor and many others say hi.

>>95290533
I'm pretty sure 80% of Infinity Inc. is not popular whatsoever.

>>95290144
>this board became heterosexual

>>95290544
>argument hinged on rapid transition to adaptation
Then you don't read well. My argument hinged on "interesting" part, you retard.
>haven't been by and large seen as interesting and compelling by DC/Batman fans.
Argumentum ad populum, the favourite argument of a retard. They're objectively bad characters because they're not even characters, period.
They're a generic ancient conspiracy that runs everything and have owls as a theme because Snyder likes sniffing his own farts and thinks he's so clever with sneaking a Bohemian Grove reference and referencing creatures that prey on bats at the same time.
That's literally all there is to them and I don't care what a bunch of chucklefucks think when they call them "compelling" and "interesting".

>>95290533
Then where the fuck are all the other failed versions of these characters? Damian and Jon are good because they're played fairly straight, they don't have the baggage a lot of those other characters have carried. Jon could become the next Chris Kent though depending on what happens with this version of Superman and his family.

>>95290686
We are literally discussing the popular success of characters, argumentum ad populum is not a fallacy it is what we are talking about. How can you possibly call others retarded here?

>>95290736
Anon, meet Brainlet. One day he took a Philosophy course and now he's here to educate us poor fools.

>>95290341
Those boards became a lost cause years ago. They only look at $$$ numbers for victories, and ignore long term trends when it's convenient

>>95290587
>Chris kent

One note kid. Appear few issues. And then, disappear.

>Helena Wayne

She got her own earth. And then for destroy.

>Lyta Trevor

Another one note character

>>95290341
He really got those shills angry.

>>95288960
Fuck this cuck. Glad his shitty character bombed

>>95290774
>for destroy.

Got destroy.

>>95290835

almost there

>>95290341
>c-comicbook roundup isn't a valid source because I say so

>>95290144
>shitting on Saga now?
>now
I've been shitting on Saga since the beginning thank you

>>95290144
>now
Nah I think people were off the train when they went full Hillary Clinton "women are the worst effected by wars"

>>95290859
Blow up and smash to pieces?

>>95290736
You fucking retard.
>If the characters are actually interesting and not shit then they have a good chance at getting a foothold.
Is what started this particular discussion. Stop trying to move the goalposts you fucking moron.
>>95290752
That's rich coming from a subhuman using a shit meme like "brainlet"

>>95291008
>You fucking retard.
>you fucking moron
>a subhuman using a shit meme
Yep, definitely it's him. Hi Brainlet!

>>95291048
>it keeps going
Glad to know you have no argument at all. Now go die.

>>95291008
So why do you think the CoO is popular then? because everyone agrees with you and hates them?
>>95291065
I mean someone of your intellect will probably be killed crossing the street, so I say to you, look both ways honey!

>>95291128
>So why do you think the CoO is popular then?
It's almost as if a good design (Talon in particular) can attract people to bad characters! The More You Know.
But wait, maybe you're right. Maybe it's the totally original concept behind them. Wait, not that. Maybe it's unique and rich personalities? Definitely no. Interesting motivations? Nope again.
It seems that CoO is a bunch of conspiratard cliches brought in a capeshit world.
>because everyone agrees with you and hates them?
This sentence doesn't make any sense, making your later comment all the more ironic.
>someone of your intellect will probably be killed crossing the street
I know you're an idiot so maybe I'm expecting too much from you, but you can stop talking to a reflection in the mirror.

>>95291249
>you can stop talking
But Brainlet, our attention! You need it!

>>95291249
>that sentence doesn't even make sense
That's the point. It's called sarcasm. I'm done arguing with a room temperature IQ tard such as yourself. And the fact that you haven't even referenced the Black Glove shows that you're just some angry casual fuck. I mean you wanted it to be Bohemian Grove when the Black Glove were in the previous fucking Batman run. Sad to have read Snyder but not Morrison.

>>95291249
>>95291317
Now kiss.

>>95291317
>sarcasm translates to text
Keep proving that you're a total idiot!
>room temperature IQ tard such as yourself
You have no argument and are just lashing out like a retarded child you are. :)
>if you didn't say anything muh Black Glove like means you didn't read Morrison
What great logic. You must be a detective.
>>95291288
>spic is still butthurt
What's the matter Pedro? Ran out of cocaine?

>>95290003
>>95290231
I never read past the first issue of Mosaic. Did his personality ever evolve past "dick who's full of himself"?

>>95290341
Seeing shills resort to "pffft, who cares" """"defences"""" just brings a smile to my face.

>>95291440
>resorts to racism
How un-brainlet of you.

>>95289139
They did shit like kill off Rhodes, forget he had a niece so they can invent new black girl Iron Man

>>95288960
>everyone loves the Inhumans

Now, that's his problem.

>>95291522
But Mexicans are white :^)

>>95289536
Ms. Marvel used to outsell Carol by 10k+ for a long time. I wonder what happened to make people drop the title. Did the creator leave the title?

>>95291657
Bendis and Waid using her as the brown Lisa Simpson

>>95288960

As usual, is white people fault because they don't buy those comics.

>>95291489
They really need to be called out more.

>>95290908
I'll be honest. This pissed me off.

>>95291657
>>95289536
Marvel fucked her title over with a relaunch and pushing Civil War II.

It's also possible the reason that Carol's title is outselling Kamala's is that Carol's title is tied to Secret Empire. We'll know the answer next month.

>>95289514
Comics need a service like netflix. Pay a fee, read all the comics you want each month. Constant new material from a wide variety of genres (learn from Japan)

>>95288960
God I hope DC never hires him.
Please don't hire him, DC.

>>95291864
DC has editors, anon.

>>95288960
Cause marvel is fucking garbage and I refuse to buy their shit anymore

Nick Spencer used Mosaic pretty cleverly in Secret Empire. Definitely didn't see that coming. Neat twist for the ONE issue he's in.

>>95288960
>Minority characters don't get nearly of the shots characters do in the first place

Is this guy serious? All-New,All-Different/Now 2.0 was all about propping up minority characters to a higher level than most white characters. Not the readers' fault most of their books were shit.

You can prop up Sam Wilson as the one true Captain America as much as you can. It don't mean shit when the writing is shit. And now look at Sam, demoted to Falcon. It's about Quality, not Quanity

>>95288960
by sjw logic, mosaic is a rapist. he literally takes over peoples bodies without their consent.

>>95289958
false, good writing and good taste were pushed to the side. any character can work if the story is good.

>>95289174
Kek

>>95288960
>Booster Gold
>White, one joke character
So what he's saying is that he's never actually read any Booster Gold?
>a few highly placed fanboys keep bringing him back
His last series was before the New-52 and that "highly placed fanboy" is Geoff motherfucking Johns.

I'm glad I'll never have to read this hacks work at DC though.

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>>95288960
>"woke"
>Blame whites for everything

>>95288960
Comics in general don't sell
I blame distribution

>>95294622
Woke is the leftist version of Redpill, so of course it has a leftleaning meaning

>>95289174
My nigga

>>95289007
Why not Iranian? When is the last time you heard that kind of super hero?

Black people are over represented at this point. If they really cared about diversity they would help other instead trying play annoying one-up game

>>95294791
Never saw a Samaritan or a Sumatran either. What about the Assyrians?

>>95294622
>"blames whites for everything"
>doesnt once explicitly mention that

i didnt think it was possible to project this hard

>>95291864
>>95294522
We're good on that front, he refuses to read DC right now so there's no chance of him crapping on based Booster Gold or Deadman at DC.

>>95296399
>he refuses to read DC right now
Source? I'd love to hear his stupid fucking reasoning.

>>95288960
Damn, this guy must want another job at Marvel BAD. He's been shilling really hard for them on cbr.

>>95294791
Kamala Khan

>>95297708
Pakistani

>>95290222
Thanks doc. Nice trips

>>95297708
She's not Persian.

We had prince of Persia and assassin creed but PoP is dead and Ubisoft washed away the hashashin's Persian roots and replaced them with Egyptian for some reason

I'd like more comics that aren't set in America

Isn't he exactly like Deadman, except, not dead? Also I think he made him an inhuman because Marvel was really trying to fuck over X-men at the time. Also Marvel tries to make their characters relatable, so why make him a NBA player?

>>95288960
He's right. Your take away shows you either misrepresent his point for your own political ends or you have piss poor reading comprehension

>>95299682
Or he is a bigot who's trying to expoilt other people's insecurities and problems

>>95298862
This
Marvel's "diversity" is nothing but middle-class American superhero characters.

more than four decades ago the revamped X-Men were more diverse than anything Marvel currently puts.

>>95298827
/v/ doesn't count anyway. Gamers care less about the race of characters, if gameplay and visuals are good, but comics are always characters driving

>>95288960
It'a not even original to marvel. There have been a ton of body stealing powers in marvel.

>>95288960
>because everyone loves the Inhumans

>>95301697

Speaking of gaming, there's a game recently that came out that's basically Mosaic but with Vidya.

Lawbreakers.

>>95301924

Is it anything like Clive Barker's Jericho by Clive Barker?

>>95288960
what was actually new and interesting as a hook to gain new readers? literally nothing that wasn't done better by another book.

>>95289742
Wait, that little shit is popular?

>>95290774
They should have really just brought back Chris instead of making a new kid, though.

>>95291726
Or maybe Carol's book is being overshipped?

>>95303000
Not for August. The unit and dollar weren't that vast.