Bojack Season 4 Talkback

>>95188497
Mr. Peanutbutter is perfect and Diane doesn't deserve him.

>>95188497
>Best Moment?
The ending not being depressioncore
>Strongest episode?
11
>Weakest scene?
Anything with Todd. Why is he still in the show?
>Overall impression?
Best season so far, nice that Bojack is growing. Everything Todd related is garbagefire bad.

>>95188524

4-5 years seems right. Start of Season 2 to start of Season 3 was at least a year, because of the January Halloween store to the Oscars (in February). It's unlikely they made a movie in less than a year, so probably at least two years. Then Season 3 to the start of Season 4 was a year and a half.

>>95188497
>Weakest episode?

Don't think there'll much debate over this.

Is anyone getting sick of stupid Todd C plots? He was really grating on episode 12 after I wanted to see more of Bojack's conclusion.

>>95188599

I think I'm pretty alone on this, but I quite enjoyed the clown dentist comic relief scenes.

>>95188570
>Everything Todd related is garbagefire bad.
>>95188599
>Is anyone getting sick of stupid Todd C plots?

I get the feeling they're running out of ideas and just do Todd to fill time.

>>95188578
Only if you're /pol/.

>>95188599
I don't get the point of Todd. He had a point in earlier seasons but this season he interacted with Bojack about twice, and otherwise did literally nothing. Where is this asexual nonsense going? The clown stuff was funny ONCE yet we got episode after episode of it.

Do people seriously find Todd entertaining?

>>95188497
I can't wait for the immigration episode.

>>95188599
He does bring some great gags (the whole dentist clown ordeals was funny from start to finish) but the fact that it was just Todd instead of Todd and Bojack or Todd and Mr PB, By himself he quickly got annoying.

>>95188643

Mmmm I'm pretty blue and I still thought that episode was way heavyhanded.

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/tv/ favourite franchise

>>95188643
>Only if you're /pol/.

I'm not even from the US and have no strong opinions about the topics presented in the Very Special Episodes so far (desu, nobody else in the world really cares about abortions and guns either way). I just think these kind of episodes are pure shit.

>>95188673
It really was. At least the whole election stuff was rather general, so that was fine, and while Ep 5 had its laughs, it was... not subtle at all.

>>95188497
A minor detail I just realised is that Bojack dad didn't lie, his mother did have a diamond shape in her head. Otherwise Holly couldn't have inherited it.

Felt really bad for the fly character

>>95188844

Not Necessarily anon. Remember he used the same line on that maid he knocked up.

>>95188878
What I'm getting at is that because of that line, you assume he uses that line just to flirt. but if Holly is his and a humans daughter, that means her diamond must have come from her dad's mother

Todds character is a joke.

He's the straight man in a show about how everyone's screwed up. Including him, but because his screws ups don't effect himself or others around him, he just slides on by going through everyone else's drama.

He notices the bullshit but 98% of the time he's too stupid to say anything.

How does Todd get away with sleeping on rich people's couches and living the high life in one of the coolest cities in the world? I want to do that.

>>95188689
hey, you found it

>>95188497
I know that not much of you agree, but I like Diana story arc. With show that is so much about depression and existential problems, she is needed to counter Bojack in some way. At the end you can track most of his problems in the family, mostly mother issues. He was born broken. Diana on the other had reasonable normal family, has loving husband, okay-ish carrier. And still has similar problems and thoughts as Horseman. You don't need tragic back story to feel incomplete, to feel bad about your life. Of course Bojack character is more interesting and complex, but without Diana it would cheapen out emotions of whole show to "mommy issues".

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what did they mean by this?

Think Bojack will fuck Diane or PC?

>>95188497
Anyone else share the opinion that episode 2 was the strongest episodes?
BoJack's problem is that he's aware that he's a shitty person but never takes the steps to improve himself. He keeps trying to find instant gratification. In ep 2, he leaves a lot of his shit behind him. He stopped clinging onto it. We've seen him drink, but at least he's not on drug mixers anymore. And now he cares about actually *maintaining* his relationships. The season started with BoJack escaping his problems, rather than ending with it.

>The end of episode 12
>I never had a brother before"


Aww

Episode 7 is so strangely cartoony it feels like it came out of another show.

Mr. Peanutbutter is still alive this season, right?

>to know you more is to love you less
Ah this is the empathetic catharsis I needed to push me over the edge

>The gun commentary

Jesus fucking Christ, nearly ruined the season for me.

>>95189009
That the writers have even a cursory knowledge of history. Adolf was just reactionary. Kikes shot first

Just finished Episode 7. So Zach Braff is dead and the rest of them went through an apocalyptic nightmare, but they're just gonna ignore all of that unpleasantness to focus on REAL drama? I hate it how arbitrary what is and isn't taken seriously in this show is.

>>95189207
Reminds me of that Childish Gambino music video.

>>95189133
Yes. Still going.

>>95189255
Only Mr PB technically lived through any real trauma and he's not the type to dwell on something life-threatening.

The ones that lived through the worst of it didn't really matter.

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Just watched the first 5 episodes. It's certainly not quite as hardcore as the last 3 seasons just yet.

>Weakest episode?
The fucking underground episode. So much shit in 26 minutes, jesus christ

>>95189311
Episodes 6, 9 and 11 hit me especially hard. They are pretty heavy.

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is there a torrent yet?

>>95189369
i have a fetish for anthro ants so i'm biased

>Best Moment?
Can't say just yet, probably need another rewatch.
>Funniest Background Gag?
Either I wasn't paying too much attention but I didn't find a lot of funny background gags this season. Maybe they're running out of ideas.
>Strongest episode? Weakest episode?
Strongest are clearly the last two episodes followed by the weakest probably being the first one and anything with Todd. Although most of the clown bits was pretty good. Honourable mention to Underground with Bojack getting drunk with Diane and PC negotiating with those bugpeople.
>Overall impression?
Pretty good, probably going to have to rewatch it again. Slighty better than 3 IMO minus any SJW they sneaked in but bonus points for that hitler comment.

>>95189311
Everything hits after 5. Give it a break maybe today and start again tomorrow.

>>95189379
on TPB

>>95189026
Honestly it's hard to tell at this point but from where we're heading I think things will be over for PB and Diane pretty soon. Maybe sleeping with Bojack will the the final nail between PB and Diane's marriage.

I've also got money on Bojack fucking both of them and fucking it all up spectacularly once more.

In which episode Diane hatefucks Mr PB?

>>95189517
Ep. 4

>>95189369
I liked it. Group of people going batshit insane because of isolation Is one of my favorite tropes.

>>95189453
link?

>>95189602
Can't you just go there and search it? We shouldn't have to spoonfeed you this much.

I really don't see how it's Bojack fault that Hollyhock got sick. She's 17 and chose to drink coffee prepared by a woman suffering severe dementia. A woman who cannot even recognise her own son. He had been very clear about not trusting Beatrice from the beginning but was shut down repeatedly. I cannot even fault him for not picking up on her odd behaviour or eating habits when Hollyhock's introduction is her chloroforming people and they already had an argument over his perception of her weight. Bojack did nothing wrong.

i'm really glad that bojack didnt fuck holly in the show but i really want porn of them fucking

>>95189625
I think you didn't get it. It wasn't his fault, and neither Holley's. She didn't know she was being given slim powder in her coffee. She even says it in the last episode, that she was being drugged without her knowing it.

>>95188265
>>95188276

I think that the subtext behind Ralph and PC's break up was that PC desperately wanted to have a baby the natural way in order to prove that she wasn't a failure as a woman (no-one goes through five miscarriages without considering other options otherwise) while Ralph had made it clear that a big part of why he loved PC so much was because their relationship was "easy". So PC broke up with Ralph because she wanted to do things the hard way and she thought that he wouldn't accept that.

>>95189669
Patience young padawan.
The season hasn't been out for more than 12 hours yet.
Give it time.
I'd say another 12 hours should do the trick.

>>95189669
Yet anon, Yet. He might do it next season.

>>95189669
>>95189725
There's not really much r34 of this show. I dunno what you're expecting.

>>95189784
I wouldn't know. I don't have fucked up fetishes like the rest.

>>95188599
The Clown Dentist arc was PRIME Todd.
Everything else about Season 4 todd, I'll concede.
Best moment
>>95189066
Funniest Background Gag
It's a tie between the cute snow bunny and The Killer Bee Murder Spree
Strongest episode
Episode 9
Weakest episode
Episode 1, Because of the way the events throughout the show are framed, the first episodes are never great in Bojack in that they're all a fresh start and serious drama never happens in them which is the meat of the show.

The humor isn't bad but it's, you know what I mean.

Overall an incredible season, I was really scared it wouldn't live up to my expectations but it way beyond them.

Why would Asexuals need a meet-up?
>I sure don't want to get fucked
>I share this sentiment
>hmm, yes- I'd rather be birdwatching
>I do not share that hobby but I also find other non-sexual activities more rewarding than sex
It's like if there was an atheist church where they wasted their Sunday mornings by talking about how little they believe in a god.

>>95189784
there that really good comic page where bojack fucks penny

>>95189800
Wowee, look at Mister Non-degenerate here, must be pretty good fapping to normal shit, huh?

Send help, I've gone too far down the rabbit hole of fucked up fetishes

>>95189800
Yeah, well why are you asking for anthro incest porn then, bitch?

Damn, episode 9 has some real layers on a second watch.

>Ruthie tells the whole fake story about the origin of PC's necklace because PC hasn't learned that it's fake yet.

>>95189831
Think of it as dating without the sex. That's what it is. Find a friend service.

That's what all the young cool hip kids are doing.

>>95189831
That's touched on later when one of them explains that Asexual aren't necessarily Aromantic, they still get in relationships with the people in the meet-up it just doesn't involve sex.

>>95189835
Stop the porn.

That's it. For as long as you can, stop viewing the electric jew.

>>95189855
That episode fucked me up
>PC is pregnant
>fuck they are going to kill the baby aren't they?
>episode 9 starts and its about a kid whose PC descendant giving a presentation about her
>Oh well, she looks like her. I guess I was wrong
>they reveal it was all in PC's head
Fuck

>>95188599
I want Todd and the mouse to get together

The kid is given "Future Adderall", showing that it's just what PC thinks the future would be like

>>95189905
I saw it coming because it reminded me too much of How I Met Your Mother and all the other comments about her age and potential infertility. Especially from the same albino rhino that's also PC's gyno.

>I know you watch foreign movies
>I watch foreign films
the /tv/ in me had a gentle kek

>>95189669
I felt like they were setting it up when she was asking about herself

>>95188552
PB is not perfect and neither deserve each other.

>>95189960
>albino rhino that's also PC's gyno
please stop
tongue twisters make me orgasm a little

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>That Gun Control episode


Going to die

>"We banned all guns in California"
>"Congrats Diane you passed Sensible gun control"

GOING TO DIE

>>95190033
PC's tongue twisters almost got old, then one of them didn't exist and it was just a really stupid trick.

Then it became funny again.

>>95190033
I take it that you enjoyed the Courtney Portnoy episodes as much as I did.

>thoughts and prayers
really subtle. i thought that was quite funny.

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This...is a weird show

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>>95190056
>>Congrats Diane you passed Sensible gun control"
I really hate Diane and that fucking gun control bullshit

>>95190177
>muted
Weak.

>>95190198
My mommy is upstairs

>>95190177
>muted
>afraid people are going to overhear you watching a cartoon involving bestiality sex
>afraid that people are going to think you like that
Anon, they probably already think that.

>>95190213
Just tell her you're watching an asian woman have sex with a dog.

She'll understand.

>>95190177
F R A C K M E

>>95189905
It's really a toss up between that and episode 11 for most affecting for me.

>Corben Creamerman looks like a total loser at first, but when he makes that heartfelt speech about his dad not respecting his interests and Beatrice starts to connect with him emotionally, he suddenly becomes handsome. It's both sweet and it reinforces that everything is in Bea's head and can't be trusted.

>>95190027
Well, he's the closest to it of any of the main cast.

Granted, it comes at a price that I don't think any of them want to pay, but he's also the only one who's persistently happy.

>>95189720
Well when you put it like that

Jesus she was a selfish bitch this time. Becoming a drunkard wreck just because you tried to prove that willpower overrides biological realities you don't want to accept, at the expense of everything including the best lover she ever had? Goddamn.

Does Bojack have an anxiety disorder?

Why did e v e r y episode have something "progressive" in it? From Tod's asexuality, to a woman having a man's voice, to that girl's 8 dads that they very much elaborated they were gay, and the transgender movie PC was talking about? I don't care if you're gay or support it, but it was pretty overwhelmingly blunt that they kept on and on with it.

Also, I don't hate the gun control episode because of gun control shit, I hate it because it was genuine SJW bullshit with women being sensible and the guys being written like dumbshits at random and saying nail on the head lines to boost up the women. Plus, it was getting old with the grandpa horse bullshit about women needed to be dumb and taking it to an extreme.

Probably won't watch S5, I don't know. I laughed some, a few times even rewatched a scene, but this season was grating as fuck more than it was rewarding. I get Diane not wanting a big gesture happening, but then she went as said "this fantasy belong to ME"

like jesus fucking christ, that's an entirely different subject- and they never dwell on the secondary lines that have a specific retort lined up, just the situation at hand.

>>95190056
>>95190180
I haven't gotten to the episode yet, but that sounds like a good quality joke

So is this season not depression core?

>>95190581
It didn't come off a juxtaposition joke to me (not either of those posters btw), but rather her saying it genuinely

>>95190610
Diane is a liberal juxtaposition in herself though, the fact that she would even say this is a good joke

>>95190587
It's political shit on a scale of 8/10. Not just Mr Peanutbutter running, but they really focused on progressive stuff over other things. There were a few depressing things, as expected, but Bojack rarely fucked up and when he did it was a warped situation or one where it was iffy but seemed right but everyone saw it as negative.

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giggled at this

>>95190644
I liked the Bullet Magnet

>>95190638
PC said it to her

>>95190177
I don't remember there being this many sex scenes before. We got Bojack and the crazy lady, Ralph and PC, multiple PB and Diane, all in quick succession and all relatively graphic for the ahow's norm. Is this the furry agenda they warned me about? Is it bad I was kinda into it?

>>95190587
There's some dark shit in there, but the season ends on probably the highest note of any of them, at least for Bojack.

>>95189905
The Princess Carolyn episodes can always be counted on to fuck me up but, goddamn, that one. That one hit me hard.
When she finally just breaks down in the car was especially hard to watch.

I don't care about the election, or the gun control stuff, I was just bothered by the hamfisted women virtue signalling we kept getting.
>"So it's bad for women to feel safe?!"
I get it, it was one of the many argument slinging questions in a rapid fire scene, but that same turn around on what was being said kept happening this season, god damn it pissed me off.

>sensible gun legislation
>ban all guns
kek

>>95189187
I thought it was pretty funny

>>95189066
I almost teared up desu

>>95189066
If she doesn't call him 'brojack' at some point I'll riot

>>95190744
I don't think Diane was supposed to come out good here.

Does anyone else feel like PB has slight racism towards humans, I swear I hear him say a "what's with you humans" line once a season.

>sensible gun legislation
>ban all guns
>lol i trol u
Oh, give me a fucking break.

Torrents where?

The first season was the Bojack Show, then season 2 split off the Diane Show, and now we have the Todd Show? Three almost totally independent storylines? Fuck it.

>eliminating tasha

Her ass was perfect

>>95191205
Well he did grow up in an all-Labradore community, he probably has some residual parochialism.

Why are there so many tongue twisters

>>95188497
Just finished episode 2.

I thought the emotional parts were great, but I was kind of annoyed how almost every time one happened, a man would half-jokingly tell a woman to control her emotions. It just kind of came off as cheap.
But holy shit, did they actually do what they did in the end to women in that age?

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Episode 11 was obviously the best, but episode 6 was also amazing, and the end was a real punch in the stomach. Same with the ending of the Ancestor Day episode

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>>95191398
It wasn't that common, but it totally happened, and was used for almost every situation ('hysteria', depression, schizophrenia, etc). The Kennedys did it to one of their own daughters even, just for being a moody teenager.

>>95191398
Lobotomies were more of a craze in the twenties and thirties but had died out by the forties, it was more common to get them a prescription for valium or some other sedative.

>>95191398
If you are referring to the lobotomy, I think it's a sort of reference to one of the earlier seasons where they explain that meat comes from lobotomized Chicken/Cow people

>episode 11
>Oh, a flashback episode? lame, there's no way they're gonna pull this off
>That fucking twist
>That ending
Jesus Christ, I almost teared up. Definitely one of the strongest 11s yet.

>making fun of the mom zombie show on Netflix
How is that show? It looked really bad.

>>95191527
I don't really think it counts as a flashback episode. It wasn't BJ's mother remembering the past, it was what was going on currently from her dementia influenced POV

>>95191527
I agree. And the fact that Bojack was planning to strike the F bomb on Bea, (but quickly dropped the idea after seeing her having an dementia-based panic attack) makes it even more moving

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>>95188497
Lewd conduct!

>>95191465
>I think it's a sort of reference to one of the earlier seasons where they explain that meat comes from lobotomized Chicken/Cow people
Wrong, those people are specially bred to be for food- notice that Becky acted like an IRL chicken, post-lobotomy Ma Sugarman wasn't whinnying or acting horse-like.
I don't know how food-people work, possibly they're a proto-species (like our neanderthal, australopithecus, etc) that was cultivated by early manimal for food and agricultural purpose.

>>95191669
Huh, I must have misremembered

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Be the Fire!

>>95191906
Get this blob out of here.

Starting episode 4. Hard to say how this season will end up.

Really looking forward to the whole cast knowing BoJack's back in town. This season doesn't feel quite like the same show just yet.

>>95191572

It's....... alright.
One thing it does do right however is not treat zombies like some kind of never heard of, unknown phenomenon, that's what I always hated about The Walking Dead.

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heh

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Looks like they're reaching out to new audiences.

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>>95188497

>Best Moment
the doll is somewhat connected to all of Bea's traumatic/dementia-driven experience. Seeing it burn/thrown out of the window had crushed her spirits
>Funniest Background Gag?
Image related
>Strongest episode
"Stupid Piece of Shit"
>Weakest episode
"Commence Fracking" due to it's gun commentary.
>Overall impressions
It's a tie between S3 and S4 on which is the overall strongest season, and while S4 does deliver in all the right ways, I'd say S3 may have won me over, just by a teeny bit.

>>95190467
>Also, I don't hate the gun control episode because of gun control shit, I hate it because it was genuine SJW bullshit with women being sensible and the guys being written like dumbshits at random and saying nail on the head lines to boost up the women. Plus, it was getting old with the grandpa horse bullshit about women needed to be dumb and taking it to an extreme.
Yeah, this show is just terrible when it comes to women's issues. There was even a news scroll in episode 1 that said "man bumps into woman, woman apologizes." The show is generally more morally gray and comedic, but when it comes to women, they just throw these issues in blatantly and don't even try to be clever about it. It feels like them putting on kiddie gloves to deal with an issue they should treat like anything else.

Diancie seemed like she was just gong to get her way and be completely right, but as it went on, you could tell that she was trying to make it a gendered issue to get her way. But then all the men were suddenly sexist dicks who hate and/or disrespect women. Diane was right all along, even though she was sort of trying to justify a mass shooting, and blaming society instead of the shooter.

Princess C was was good in the episode, though. She wanted to capitalize on a woman's fear and hysteria. That was funny because it felt more organic and was wrapped around humor. It wasn't just her saying "Women are afraid, so I will use their feelings for my own gain." That was handled better, and made more of a realistic statement about media and culture creating hysteria to manipulate people.

My main complaint was there was only one of Mr. Peanutbutter's signs in all of the season

>>95191906
Gross.

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>>95192260
The worst part was that there was no more of this gags

>>95192498
You were not paying attention, I saw at least three.

>>95188643
Todd made sense when Bojack's only sense of a positive life being a sitcom character (not actor, character) was made ironic by his refusal to take part in Todd's sitcom-like life, making Bojack basically actively choosing to be miserable.

>>95192063
Nice.

>>95192091
CATER-CATER TO TUMBLRTHINGS!

Mr. PB is too good for Diane.
Honestly I can't find a good reason why she acted like she did when he gave her her surprise.

I'm happy Bojack didn't get dicked over in the end

Princess Carolyn still best girl and I love her.

Bojack's great grand father didn't deserve it.

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>yfw bojack's mom was poisoning holly
>watching episode 11 after that

Anyone else really enjoy those little doodles in bojack's head?

Man i'm stupid and only just now realised the whole sequence in the intro of Bojack sipping his morning coffee and then hallucinating was huge foreshadowing. Man this show is great.

>>95192746
Because she's Bojack. She can't be happy for herself. So when PB does something big for her, she thinks that she's a leech

>holy fuck. My husband did all this for me? How much money did it cause? Why my I not happy? Why is it that I don't feel happy even with a loving husband and marriage and with such grant gestures like this? Am I a leech, I never do anything like this for PB, nor can I ever afford to, with my shitty salary.

You know, bojack shit

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>>95188497
well /co/...would you?

>>95188497
>Best Moment?
Bojack and his mother, for even a fleeting moment, connecting with each other.
>Strongest Episode
10, a nice mix of PC trying to get things back in order by pushing a script with the same name as her would be baby, and Todd helping out with clown dentists.
>Weakest Scene
Diane's breakdown about Mr. PBs library he had built just for her. Actually anything Diane related.
>Overall impression?
Mixed, I like that this one Bojack hasn't burned every bridge known to him and might finally be making positive headway, but everything else feels like the comedy and drama weren't as interspersed as well as the previous season. Also, pretty sure I watch Bojack for entertainment, not poorly thought out social commentary, though I might be reading into that one.

>>95192966
I've seen r34 in a similar vein to that

>>95192872
Of course, they look better than the show itself.

>>95192966
Hell yeah my dude.

>>95193032
but she'll eat you after it

>>95193065
That was a grasshopper, the joke was about the drink.

>>95193096
>grasshoppers don't eat their mates
sure bro
also you're human and a human sized hopper would kill you for your delicious meat

>>95190744
>hamfisted women virtue signalling we kept getting.
There is much more. Look at the news tickers.
It's basicly buzzfeed.

>>95193129
Feels like they were mocking it.

>>95193065
Preying mantises only eat their partner under extremely weird and stressful situations- i.e. being trapped in a laboratory and observed 24/7 by humans- it's a myth like the alpha/beta pack structure of wolves.
Also, she was a grasshopper, because a grasshopper is a kind of cocktail- it's a light green from the creme de menthe used in it- the color of a grasshopper.

>>95193172
>>95193123

>>95188497
Is it me, or did Bojack only meet with PC once before the ending? At the end of the Underground episode. He really did try to stay out of everyone's lives because he thinks he is toxic, but at the end, everyone else was broken more than last year and he got better.

Just finished episode 5, and I'm conflicted. When the show is not focusing on social issues, it's amazing. I'm loving the backstory they're giving to the horse characters. But the social commentary is incredibly boring. The perspectives we're offered seem incredibly strawman'd and forced.

I'm only 5 episodes in though, so only time will tell how it goes.

>>95193189
Grasshoppers prefer crops, but when they overpopulate they will first resort to eating shit, and then when both plants and shit are gone THEN they will eat flesh.

>>95193147
Nope. He is an example:
Man bumps into woman. Woman apologize.

Sounds harmless but that's exactly the "manspreading"type victim hysteria sites like buzzfeed spread.

>>95193224
>but when they overpopulate they will first resort to eating shit, and then when both plants and shit are gone THEN they will eat flesh.
sounds like a pride festival

>>95193204
Be honest and admit you only dislike the commentary because it's opposite of what you believe.

The show has always been pretty good with social commentary, the abortion episode was kino

>>95193371
No, the satire is as subtle as brick to the head.

>>95193236
Yeah, they were mocking it. They had articles like next to articles about Hemsworth's crotch. Diane wanted to write insightful political articles, but her boss only wanted gossip and pro-women stuff.

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>Season ends with Bojack actually working torwards improving his relationships with everyone, even his mom. It even ends on an unambiguously hopefull note when Hollyhock agrees he's a shitty dad but is really happy to call Bojack her brother.

Goddamnit I hope they don't fuck things up for him next season

OK, were husbands in the 40's/50's REALLY that bad?

>>95193432
no

>>95193393
And so is Southpark's, that doesn't make it bad.

>>95192616
I only noticed the one in Woodchuck's victory party

>>95193432
Its more like women's rights were far, FAR shittier.

>>95193432
They show is a comedy, of course it's exaggerating things.

>>95193204

That was basically the only social commentary episode (unless we're counting the "voters are shallow" stuff, which isn't exactly controversial)

>>95190467
>genuine SJW bullshit with women being sensible and guys being dumbshits

It's true though.

>>95193446
you a partly right. But the southpark episode about old drivers was funny but a bojack episode with the same issue would feel weird

>>95193371

I'm pretty blue (da da de dady da) and thought the ep5 commentary was pretty hamfisted. The abortion episode, with a song titled Kill da Fetus, was more nuanced than that

>>95193426
You don't need to worry. He will fuck it up for himself.

I expected the season to end in a plane crash, maybe season 5 will have one

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HOLLYHOCK IS BEST GIRL AND I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAY
B E S T G I R L
E S T G I R L
S T G I R L
T G I R L
G I R L
I R L
R L
L
I AM SO FUCKING HAPPY RIGHT NOW

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>that episode 11

This isn't okay.

>"Courtly roles like the formerly portly consort in the Seaport Resort are Courtney Portnoy's forte"
>"But that's sort of been thwarted, unfortunately, 'cause Courtney's purportedly falling short of shoring up four-quadrant support."

What do you call this? This kind of word play? I've noticed a lot of stuff like this in the show. These kinds of lines have a nice... flow to them. Is it just rhyming and a matter of finding enough words that rhyme and can flow to the next?

this season is shit

I really like this season. It was nice that they played around with some of the season structure tropes that we've come to expect. For example, while episode 11 was emotionally devastating it wasn't because of what was happening to Bojack. I also liked that this season's F-bomb wasn't directed at Bojack but said by him, and in a more comedic sense than dramatic. This season felt a bit more fresh than season 3.

On another note, does anyone have a list of who guest starred in this season? And who they played?

>>95193371
It's really not. I agreed with Diane's points just not to the full extent she believed in them. I even thought it was nice how she was anti-gun until she got one, which actually happens for a fair amount of people. They don't instantly go all pro-gun, but they'll admit guns aren't as bad as they're usually made out to be.

It's not about guns, or how safe women feel on the street or whatever. The episode just wasn't subtle or thoughtful. But more importantly, other than critiquing the inner workings of Hollywood, this show was never that heavy on social commentary. It's always been a character driven show, and it's at its strongest when it does that.

I'm glad too because the characters in this season (with except maybe Todd), are the best they've ever been. At least, so far.

>Bojack is finally getting his shit together

wtf how am I supposed to relate to this now? dropped

>>95193758
I think there was a lot of good stuff in the episode that is being overshadowed by the one scene at the end. All the thoughts and prayers stuff, the twist of there being a female mass shooter, the pumped up kicks.

>>95188570
>>>95188497 (OP)
>>Best Moment?
>The ending not being depressioncore
I was happy that unlike some other seasons things dont look good for Bojack then he starts a rapid downward spiral. When it was episode 6 and there were no major up or downhill shifts I was surprised. It was also great that for once when there was a serious fuckup he was not directly responsible because you usually keep thinking "damnit Bojack you fucked it all up" as he tends to ruin every good thing in his life.

>>95188642
I think they have ideas but just none for Todd specifically. Overall, all the main cast from season 1 is still here and the only people who really leave are those characters who were obviously just supposed to be in a few episodes before exiting (like girlfriends and boyfriends, producers, etc). So Todd is leftover and they do not want to get rid of him since he is part of the original cast but at the same time do not know what the fuck to do with him. He usually gets involved with the plots of other main characters but as they advance he just moves on to the next as if nothing happened. They need to give him some goddamn stability instead of experimenting with things and hitting the reset button like episode 7 or 8 of a season each time.

>>95188497
>Best Moment
The reveal that Hollyhock is Bojack's half-sister, not his daughter.

>Funniest Backgroind Gag
I liked the changing sign in front of the retirement home

>Strongest episode
Episode 11.

>Weakest episode
Episode 5 or Episode 7.

>Overall impression
Might be my favorite season yet.

>>95189311
>implying episode 2 wasn't on par with some of the previous episode 11s

Doggy doggy what now?

>>95189625
It wasn't, he just didn't notice anything was wrong and there's literally no reason for Hollyhock's dads to believe it wasn't his fault. Y'know, because of a book that details his many failings being a bestseller and his very public bender that ended in a popstar's death?

>>95189831
I mean, it's a state of being that isn't widely understood by American culture. Meeting up and hanging out with people going through the same thing can be comforting.

>>95193957
I don't think he was at fault, but there were some pretty obvious signs that things were wrong that someone with his drug experience honestly should have noticed.

>>95188497
Episode 2 was brutal.
And I know I am going to cry after watching episode 11.

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SO FUCKING H A P P Y
so uh
>Best Moment
Everytime Bojack and Holly had these little bonding moments, especially at the end
It felt like early Bojack and Todd, kinda sad Todd is pretty much shit and useless now.
>Funniest Background gag
I don't really remember that many, i guess i liked that moment when todd came up with one of his Ideas or all the Vote Peanut butter posters
>Stongest episode
Episode 11 or 12, A little rushed but still satisfying to me.
>Weakest episode
The Gun control episode.
>Overall impression
I like it, to be honest last season was kinda
Shit
this season made me like the show again

I just realized

This season didn't have any Character Actress Margo Martindale

>>95194125
She died regretting her olive oil usage in season 3

>>95194164
>Implying a mere ocean is enough to kill Character Actress Margo Martindale

>Everyone is still suffering horribly

This is no longer okay.

>>95194219
Everyone but Bojack, which is great.

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>>95188497
>Funniest Background Gag?

PC flying by in the lawn chair

>>95194010
I noticed her not wanting ice cream or pizza but were there any other signs?

>>95193426
>He helped Hollyhock find her real mom
>He gave his own mother a good send off
>He cheered up PC and took the role
It gets easier. Everyday it gets a little easier.

>>95194125
>>95194164
>>95194197
One of the MSNBSea tickers said she was presumed dead.

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So why was Bojack's intro some sort of drug trip this time? It barely had anything to do with the season.

>>95194125
There was a news ticker saying she was still lost at sea, and the real Character Actress Margo Martindale said in an interview that she hadn't heard from the Bojack production crew since season three so who knows.

>>95193426
>even his mom
That is a lie.

>>95194309
in the episode where miles broke up with her she organized all of the coins and spent time trying to change channels quickly.

>just started first episode
>they got Vincent D'Onofrio to play himself as a way too intense unlikable thespian

Off to a good start, fellas

>>95194309
When Bojack mentions she's counting her teeth, when she organizes all the change in the house chronologically, when Bojack drinks the coffee his mom made and hallucinates

Did Bojack take Zach Braff's car?

Bojack Horseman is reddit tier

>>95194339
Well in season 2 and 3 it reflected what Bojack's arc was, the movie and the Oscar campaign. In this season he didn't have a job or goal, he was just Bojack. I think it was supposed to reflect that.

Someone else pointed out the trip happens after he sips coffee, so it was possible foreshadowing.

>>95194339
The coffee was drugged dummy

>>95194339

He tripped when he drank the spiked coffee

According to the subtitles:

Hollyhock Manheim-Mannheim Guerrero-Robinson-Zilberschlag-Hsung-Fonzerelli-McQuack

>>95194395
Amphetamines do not cause hallucinations

>>95194428
Giving her that surname should legally class as child abuse

>>95194309
Do you ever feel really itchy, like there are bugs underneath your skin?

>>95188497

>Best Moment

When Bojack actually just decided not to be a piece of shit and tried to connect/talk with Holly like a human being.

>Funniest Background Gag?

I'm not sure. There were a few of them and a lot of callbacks, but I actually thought they were all great.

>Strongest episode? Weakest episode?

Strongest... I would have to say Time's Arrow. It was heartbreaking, but it was good. That, or Underground. That was great. Really, most of the episodes this season were strong, but then again, Bojack has pretty solid writing. Just the perfect blend of really oddball humor mixed with utter misery.

Weakest was definitely the Todd Episode. I feel like the writers feel obligated to give him a strong emotional arc, but keep falling back to him being comedic relief in a pinch, and would just stick with that for Todd. To be honest, even in his own story, the Asexual aspect feels very tacked on and Todd's own confusion feels like the writer's aren't that sure how to deal with it and each time Todd learns something about being Ace, it's because whoever was writing it just learned about it. Like, at a certain point, it feels like "Todd is Asexual!" an aspect that didn't really add anything to his story other than cancelling out love interests and setting him up with a new one.

The thing is, I didn't even feel that strongly while watching it, but in hindsight I felt like I really wasn't into Todd this season.

>Overall impression?

I'm just really glad that Bojack came out semi-okay this time, even if it means Mr. Peanutbutter and Diane must suffer. Also, Mr. Peanutbutter was way less lovable now that he's sullied himself with politics.

>>95192888
Hey, nice catch.

>>95194429
It's a cartoon.

Hollywood thinks marijuana causes hallucination.

>>95188497
Anyone got a link where I could watch this?

>>95194655
www.netflix.com you cheap shit

>>95189187

I thought it was hilarious. It's basically the same as how most of California's strict gun laws got put into place the first time around. Fear that a minority could own and operate guns. Except in real life it was Black people they were afraid of having access to guns.

Also:

>I just never actually believed our country's hatred of women could overcome its love of guns!
>... Really?

how long in time is a bean?

>>95194355
Considering that's the nicest thing he ever did for his mother I would say it's an improvement.

It may be too early to say this but episodes 2 and 11 have to be the best ones of the entire show, they deserve some sort of award desu.

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I've never got very emotional no matter how sad the show got, but god damnit seeing Bojack genuinely smile at the end after finally earning a win with the music playing made me get all sniffly. I don't know why I'm so happy for this big dumb horse but I really am.

I think Bojack might be the best cartoon of the decade.

>>95188497

>Best Moment?
Probably the ending of episode 12.
>Strongest episode?
11 is pretty much indisputable.
>Weakest episode?
Toss up between 4-5, they were absolute garbage.
>Overall impression?
Only really cared for the Bojack stuff.
Diane's and Carolyn's relationship problems were trash, that goes double for Todd's retarded Asexual plotline. The clown stuff sucked too.

>>95189625

For the first time, it really wasn't Bojack's fault. Her dads are angry because it happened and needed to direct their anger at someone. Holly knew it wasn't his fault though, and Bojack blamed himself because he's used to it being his fault.

In the end it was no one's fault. Beatrice was a sick old woman, Holly was trying to humor her, and Bojack had no reason to think the coffee would be doing her any harm.

Sometimes people will blame you for things you that aren't your fault and it sucks.

Ep 6 was best imo

>>95194764
Episode 11 is a huge punch in the dick for anyone that had a relationship with their grandparents suffering dementia

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the signage and background art is as always 10/10. hope that never changes.
the writers did deliver on the promise on not having it end for bojack like it did for the first 3 seasons, and i'm glad bojack actually got a good ending for once, and didn't obtusely go out of his way to fuck it up.
diane and mr. peanutbutter falling apart didn't seem too far fetched, but diane rejecting the belle room at the end and saying that she hated grand gestures felt contrived. i guess if that wasn't going to be the straw that broke the camel's back, something else had to be.
the todd segments were fine. i didn't mind the whole clown dentist thing, it was even kind of funny, but he really does need another character to play off of to work, i think. having him just jump in and do nonsensical todd stuff seems to take away from everyone else. also i thought it was pretty lame that he and bojack were going to start mending their relationship and then they never interacted for the entire season.
i thought the beatrice stuff was great. i really got the feeling that her life had truly broken her and she was beyond repair. drugging hollyhock seemed to ruin the sympathy that i'd found for her though.
PC's great-great-great granddaughter being a fake fantasy was a real gutpunch. seeing her on a drunken bender in the latter half of the season would be what bojack was doing if he wasn't genuinely concerned with his mother and hollyhock
hollyhock's introduction to the show was very well done. this is probably the first time bojack has had a positive impact on someone and repelled his self-destructive impulses. a really refreshing change of pace.

overall, 8/10 season. i liked it quite a lot, but there were some things that kept it from being perfect. my only fear is if the show does return to form and features bojack fucking up something nice next season. here's hoping we don't regress.

>>95192224
>>95190467
This. I mean I even like the season and the characters but damn are these writers up their own asses.

I liked how when Bojack was telling the dads about how he found Hollyhock's mom it used the anxiety animation from episode 6. Like, Bojack was feeling guilt and knew he fucked up with her but instead of that voice driving him to the bar to drink away his problems it pushed him in a productive way for once.

>>95188552
>Husband makes your dream of having your own huge library room like Belle's come true
>She complains about it

>>95194573

>Mr. Peanutbutter was way less lovable now that he's sullied himself with politics.

I thought PB came out of that rather well. He was kind of just doing it for shits and giggles, and when he realized woodchuck was just way more competent he gracefully bowed out.

Did Bojack's father's voice sound kinda fucked up for anyone else? Was that intentional?

>>95188497
third season was starting to get a little repetitive desu, all the characters with their horrible little lives repeating the same mistakes over and over

I'm hoping for a happy ending now, becouse if they wanted to go for a sad ending (which would be more realistic desu), they should have ended it already

I felt pretty bad for Ralph Stilton. He tried to be loving and supportive but PC just kept screwing things up by not telling him things and not taking his feelings into account.

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>>95194958
I what episode is this?

>>95194958
>>95194979
PB is a trash person. If I knew anyone like them in real life I think I would despise them. He barges through life without considering any of the consequences of his actions. Dianne has repeatedly told him that she doesn't like grand gestures and then he goes and builds a fake library, which completely misses the point of why someone like Dianne would like a Bell room in the first place.

After teasing it for all of season 3 PC and Diane STILL aren't divorced? Fuck off.

>>95194958
Diane's just a really fucked up, broken person. She literally said it herself. She is incapable of being happy.

Just watched episode 1 of the season

I FUCKING MISSED THIS GOOD SHIT

>>95194958

I mean PB's been burned several times before on this, he should really know by now Diane doesn't like the huge extravagant gestures. Though Diane totally overreacted.

>>95195056
Did you see their last scene? They're definitely gonna get divorced.

>>95195040
He might still come back, depending on what PC does. Either that or he'll get Wanda'd and disappear off the face of the earth. Or he'll get together with Wanda in some poetic fashion.

>>95195078
So it only took two entire seasons of buildup to pay off. Great.

>>95192966
I'd hop on that ass like i was a grass...
hopper

>>95195070

The first episode was sheer ludicrousness and I loved it.

How much WOULD it take to build a bridge to Hawaii?

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Are we still on for Bojack/PC endgame?

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HELLO?

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>Even the nice characters get kicked to the side

It's not fair.

>>95195144
I really doubt it but who knows.

>>95195099
Haven't you ever seen a real life divorce? Unless someone does something big like cheating it's usually a slow downward spiral for quite some time, even years.

>>95195150
How's your wifes son?

>>95195073
It was more a factor of how he does things without asking her.

He's doing it for her sure, but she wants a say in the things happening to her/around her. That's her thing: the abilty to have some level of control of her life.

She's adjusting to not being able to make a difference in the world, so she tries to gain control of her life. And then, he keeps doing things without minding her. Not because he dislikes her, but he gets caught up in his current shenaniganry.

The entire season, she'd been ignored on her views. Her husband kept doing things she didn't like without even talking to her about it first. Her life was out of control by virtue of being connected to his. Things had finally "become normal"... only for something huge in her life suddenly happen again without her.

If he asked her, or even made it about them working together on it, it would have been the grand gesture she'd been okay with. Her ability making the room happen would've been something she'd enjoyed. But no, she just has things happen to her.

I love how they kept playing up the similarities between Bojack and Hollyhock.But I've never had a brother. Damn now I really want to see this dynamic now.

Looks like in the end there was only one Trump joke, a newscrawl on the bottom about the President throwing a temper tantrum about some game and how the media is fake news for not reporting how good he did.

So Bojack is succumbing the lefty temptation to smug and sermonize.

And instead of the characters, season five will be about "real problems" now that we live in the horrible dystopia of the Trumpenreich.

Dropped.

>>95195096

I was a little surprised he straight broke it off and didn't talk to her later. Not all at judging him though, he did a pretty good job with what he was given.

who else got a boner when mr peanutbutter and diane fucked

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>>95195150
Starring:
>Channing Tatum
>Laura Linney
>Billy Crystal

Okay, now that's a fucking hilarious image

Is there anything else they can explore in another season that is big? It feels like they've hit all of the important marks by now.

>>95195222
Watched it 3s ago but no she kil my boner.

>>95194836
>In the end it was no one's fault.
you know, except for Beatrice since she thought Bojack was Henrietta the entire time, and then you look right at Episode 11
But in all honestly, Bojack's entire family is all kinds of fucked up. Its an absolute miracle Bojack is even able to feel for others, and that Hollyhock turned out the way she did.

>>95195200

Aside from episode 5 it wasn't at all preachy, and they've done similarly preachy episodes in the past (though granted not as hamfisted as S4E5 was).

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Holy fucking shit.

I just watched episode 9, and the entire time I was like "This episode is really good, but man that future narrator is really annoying".
Then the ending happened.

>>95192966
Fuck yeah

>>95195248
Pushing Henrietta to give up Hollyhock was possibly the best thing Beatrice did post-Bojack.

But christ, kids can really kill relationships huh. Through no fault of their own.

>>95195255

I did see the ending coming. But I also really really hoped I was wrong, so it was still a big gut punch.

So, whatever happened to Ethan Around after Bojack bailed?

>>95191398
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy

>They cut off the 1999 song.
kek

>>95195288
The series finale is going to be Ethan pushing Bojack under a train right before the credits drop.

Is it full or they're doing that shit to prevent binge watching on free trial?

>>95189905
>>95189855

Everything was supposed to go wrong and I thought it projected pretty early on that everything good was going to go wrong. From the moment she spilled coffee and the descendant sad it would be the worst day she ever had, everything was going to shit for her. Like the whole reason they built up the history of the necklace with that fantastic immigrant cat sequence was just to make you care enough that it was fake. That's one of the reasons I love this show. It's the misdirects. It has a ton of them. Like how Henrietta was her mother and Beatrice was slapping us in the face with it every time she appeared on screen. They do little shit like that everywhere and it pays off in the best ways. I love this fucking show.

Also, unrelated:

That guy who came whenever there was a drastic shift in power was great.

>>95195328
>Then Charlotte shows up and is mad that Ethan beat him to the punch

>>95190094

This show really knows how to fuck with expectations.

>>95195196
>White House plans rally celebrating President's huge victory at ball and cup game

>>95195355 I could see them pulling an American History X style ending. Bojack finally gets his redemption but it just doesn't matter in the end

>>95193578
No he won't man, not with that smile.

I liked the season, but at the same time I still think it's the weakest and most aimless compared to the others.

Those clown faces on PC's posters are terrifying

>>95195457
Yeah season 3 was bad but we're watching season 4 now, try to catch up.

>>95190467
>to a woman having a man's voice

That is a classic cartoon staple and you know it. How dare you insult such a time-honored and hilarious bit.

Go back to rebbit you fucking normie,

>>95190644
It might be my favourite joke this season.

>>95195328
I'd like that actually. I'm a sucker for unresolved plot points that later come to bite you in the ass.

>>95195144
No. PC deserves better.

>>95195151
More like always the nice characters.

>Judah
>Ralph
>Wanda

>>95195355
>Right afterwards we see the ghost of Herb laughing while Bojack's still getting ran over by the train

>>95195544
She had Stilton and she blew it.

>>95190467

It's a take on modern Hollywood and PC Corporate Culture. They know these are things people care about and so they have to care about it to turn a profit. It's why in the gun control episode they said "Thoughts and prayers" after every mention of a mass shooting, right before they discussed how to profit from it/how to protect their profit. It highlights they don't really care about these things, because everyone there is self obsessed and trying to appear like they aren't, because no one likes a narcissist.

>>95195567
>Wanda
>nice
She was a network executive, she deserved everything that happened to her.

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>>95195567
Don't forget this guy.

>>95195544
Bojack's getting better. Kinda. Maybe. We'll see. But hey if he does become semi-functional maybe they won't go into their old death spiral again, and they are gonna be spending a lot of time together soon. And Bojack's continual story arcs around daughter figures would fit in.

I'm just surprised there wasn't any point where PC found out about Hollyhock and went 'EVEN BOJACK HAS CHILDREN REEEEEEEEEEEE'.

>>95195635
Sebastian St. Clair was a tool

>>95195127
considering that the longest bridge in the world is only 6 miles and took 12 months to make, it'd probably cost at least $10 trillion to construct, and probably at least a decade to complete.

So, how come nobody except for Governor Woodchuck tried to rescue Mr. PB and all the other celebrities?

>>95195720

They didn't have any reception, how would they tweet out where they are?

>>95195334
Oh shit, she recognized Bojack as Bojack when Holly wasn't around for a prolonged amount of time

Am I the only one who thought all of the plots were incredibly rushed and filled with time gaps that the previous seasons didn't have? On minute bojack and his mom and sister are moving into bojacks house, the next, you find the sister all fucked up because she was secretly drugged and like no middle plot between god knows how many months that took place.

>>95190467
You realize this show is set in hollywood, right? It's full of far left craziness like that.

You think in season 5 hopefully the final season that Mr. PB will finally realize that just because he's happy, that doesn't mean others are (whether ie generally doesn't know or is simply being ignorant of the fact). And will we find out why is he so obsessed with being liked?

>>95194898
Yeah. Like I can't hate Diane for the episode, since she's normally more rounded and flawed. She's not like Lisa Simpson, where she's solely a mouth piece who gets whatever she wants. But the writers apparently didn't get the memo.

>>95195816
I'm not against writers having an opinion but I would feel bad when I would talk down to the audience like they do.

I just finished episode 2 and HOLY FUCK IT WAS PURE KINO

>>95195674
He was the right man in the right place.

>>95190467

>that they very much elaborated they were gay,

They mentioned that at the very beginning and never brought the sexuality up again (if only because they were too busy hating Bojack).

>and the transgender movie PC was talking about

I don't even remember this, was it a throwaway line?

I really enjoyed this season.
I expected the plot to be worse compared to the previous season (most shows tend to get less inspired with the time passing) and l thought they were adding an unnecessaring character with Holly. Glad i was wrong.
Not only Holly was actually an enjoyable character, but they give insights to Bea and Bojack had a HUGE development (which is what i appreciate the most).

>>95195916
The transgender thing was one of the tongue twisters, it was a dumb joke.

I think next season should just have an episode where Diane lectures us all on how women spend literally every waking second intimated by the omnipresent sexism in culture and men are callous and evil for 25 minutes, just so the writers can get it out of their system and don't diarrhea their virtue signalling all over the good episodes.

It's getting super annoying with the show pausing its cynical grey-in-grey outlook and going ACTUALLY THIS IS NOT A LAUGHING MATTER GUYS IT'S SERIOUS AND YOU SHOULD CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGES every time it remotely touches upon the feminism narrative.

>>95195916

It was one of the Princess Caroline rhyming movie pitch jokes. Literally a throw away line. Anon is basically reaching for shit to be offended by.

I just binged all this whole seasons from 8AM to now.

Episode 11 was great, I feel bad now for Bojack's mom. Especially for Bojack's grandma, who seemed like a good mother. I guess Bojack's grandpa was just horrible.

>>95195222
In which episodes do they fuck?

Still though, who were the horses we saw at the very end of season 3? Why they appeared for only 15 seconds in episode 2?
They should have given more space to that.

>>95196030
They're just a metaphor, they didn't need any more screentime.

>Thought we were getting a 1999 flashback episode
>Ohhh 1999
>Start getting hype
>It was a ruse

This season is shit

>>95195793
It was taking place in the background (the talk about Hollyhock's weight, Beatrice mentioning how she stayed "fit" and the standards her family had for her, BoJack noticing that Hollyhock was counting her teeth, BoJack hallucinating in the intro after drinking his coffee, etc), you just weren't paying attention and want the series to hold your hand.

>>95195961
Usually I can brush off any gorilla footed commentary, often times it's over the top to make a point, but sometimes when it's done like that, it's funny

Here, it's just "men are evil and sexist and wrong so fuck off". Point made, I get it, but there isn't much humour to come with it. Then again, maybe that's because I AM a guy and I'm like... taking offense or whatever.

>>95196064
>getting mad for having your expectations subverted

>>95195879
Exactly. It's not the opinion, but how they tell it.

Thoughts and prayers.

>>95195236
They plan on doing a lot of political stuff next season, mostly targeting Trump and the hypocrisies of conservatives.

I don't see how the show is still going to be about BoJack unless he becomes a conservative out of nowhere, and I don't see any of the other characters turning into rightwing fuckheads. They probably have to introduce another main character for the other 5 to react to. I hope it isn't Chuck..

>>95196175
>They plan on doing a lot of political stuff next season, mostly targeting Trump and the hypocrisies of conservatives.
Source?

Penny>Holly>Wanda

>>95196175
>They plan on doing a lot of political stuff next season, mostly targeting Trump and the hypocrisies of conservatives.

God please no.

So I could see E5 being really annoying, I was rolling my eyes even as a pretty solid Democrat. But some of yall are talking like it ruined the whole season; is that a good read, or were you also really annoyed by other issues (Todd's asexuality? Bea having 8 dads?)

>>95196064

I was disappointed the backgrounds were in on the subversion.

>>95196175
t. my ass

>>95196175
>They plan on doing a lot of political stuff next season, mostly targeting Trump and the hypocrisies of conservatives
Yeah, except everyone was already saying that about this season, before it released. There wasn't any Trump jokes at all.

>>95196076
Nope, I just want a coherent story that actually involves character interaction instead of a story spread across the four winds where the cast BARLEY interacts with each other.

God forbid they tell a story that only half takes place on screen and the other in the background for no other good reason but because of hack writing. "Oh man this could be bojacks daughter!" and then completely doesn't focus on this point where every other season puts the entire focus on bojack is a joke. It's just hack writing, why even involve the mother with the dementia bullshit, her role didn't matter at all, nothing she did mattered, there was no character progression, everything that happened was just a sad flashback for fuel for "muh feels" that had no impact on the story or the active cast at all.

A major plot line of bojack having a daughter, and slowly becoming drugged by a dementia suffering woman seems like a rather big plot line or actual emotional reflection and reactions. He showed no growth or coming to terms with resentment of his mother, it was barley addressed even though it was a long overarching problem for bojack for many seasons, and you want to say that having that being in the context of a passing conversation is good enough? Bitch please, maybe if the main character didn't have his name in the fucking title of the cartoon you might have a point but when this major plot gets swept under the rug, that's shit with poor pacing.

>>95196078
They're also criticizing that line of thought. I mean Diane basically works at Buzzfeed and her feminist mouse boss is a caricature of narcissistic millennials.

>>95188497

>Funniest Background Gag?

Not so much background, but the writers getting increasingly ridiculous workstations was pretty great.

>>95196212
>But some of yall are talking like it ruined the whole season

Who?

>bojack's fridge is full of sugar and lemons in the flashback

>Mr. Peanutbutter you're the best thing in my life
>jk our marriage makes me sad ::(((

What the fuck is Dianne's problem?

>>95196230
That was just /pol/ stormfront types who never watched the show taking a quote from the creator out of context. Bob-Waksberg DOES want to do a very political season for season 5.

>>95196186
>>95196202
>>95196224
http://www.indiewire.com/2016/12/bojack-horseman-season-4-creator-raphael-bob-waksberg-christmas-special-1201762820/amp/

>I do feel gradually over the last eight years we’ve kind of allowed ourselves in the art we make to kind of slip back into that kind of comfort. I think “BoJack” is definitely very much about kind of the burdens of being comfortable. I don’t know if those are the kinds of stories we’re going to be as interested in moving forward. I know I’m certainly less interested in exploring the small hypocrisies of rich liberals. You know what I mean? I’m not in the mood to poke fun at those kinds of people when there are real, real problems that we need to talk about.

>>95196313
She feels guilty?

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>Princess Carolyn has qt descendant
>it was all a fantasy

>>95193684
It's a form of alliteration

>>95196368
I just want PC to be happy

>>95196212

Every single time they bring politics into the show it follows the "brave strong women fighting by the evil patriarchy" theme.
Abortion, Hank after Dark, Uber drivers are rapists, every woman speaking out publicy on the side of Good is mocked and belittled etc., suddenly they drop their "everything and everybody's a bit broken" mentality that somehow makes this show about talking horses and cats incredibly engaging and relatable and turn into fucking Tumblr and there's sexism and rape culture everywhere.
It's annoying. It breaks the entire spirit of the show just because the writers feel the overriding need to shout their politics at us. It's like every time Bojack mentions or takes drugs on the show there'd be a minute-long cutaway of cartels torturing and murdering journalists in graphic detail.

>>95190177
My mother walked in at this exact moment. Now she thinks I'm a furry.

I WANT TO IMPREGNATE AND START A FAMILY WITH PRINCESS CAROLYN!

>>95196233
You sound like a massive tard my dude. Not everything needs to be drawn out and obvious, and it sounds you don't even understand what episodes 11 and 12 show about BoJack's recent maturity.

Bojack's Theme always used to feel sad for me, and I used to listen to it when feeling melancholy, but after this ending, listening to it again it makes me feel happy, and hopeful for what lies ahead in the future. Both for the show and mine.

>>95191821
WE

>>95190467
The show takes place in California.