Bojack Season 4 Talkback 2

I hope Mr. Peanutbutter rapes Diane. It's what she deserves at this point.

I would fuck Princess Carolyn and be the stay at home dad of the children she will never have. Holly was also pretty cute.

Neal was in the wrong.

>>95198776

Is PC ever going to be happy.
Also lol'd heavily at Diane advocating guns to empower women. I bet liberals don't even know how to handle that episode

>>95193756
Oh, when did he say that? I thought there wasn't F-bomb this season (and I'm glad because it was starting to get quirky)

>>95198871
PC is a control freak.
>Wants all the decisions for her company
>Wants to be in control of pregnancy
>Wants to have a spare house incase relationship doesn't work

>Finish the episode
>The season was great
>Come to the threads
>It's full of people upset because muh womyn, muh SJWs and Diane being a whore
Never change /co/.

I don't quite get the Diane hate.

Shes clearly as damaged as Bojack.
Ya'll don't hate him.

>Are you a Zoey or a Zelda?
Zoey
>Who would you fug?
Mia
>How do you like your coffee?
Cheap and with sugar
>Did Neal McBeal have dibs on the muffins?
No, he a shit

>>95198874
The F-bomb was subverted in episode 5 when Bojack, in explaining his plan to Holly to freak out his mother, says something along the lines of "then I'll tell her how much I fucking hate her!".

>>95198899
>I don't quite get the Diane hate.
She's a woman. That's it.

>>95198895
There were like a handful of posts complaining and even then most still seemed to have agreed the season as a whole was great. Don't be overreactive Diane.

>>95198895
>>95198899
I'd be fine with Diane if she wasn't always "B-BUT THIS IS A GENDER ISSUE!" all the time. I'm fine with it once in a while, but her whole character is feminist bojack.
Give it a rest for fucks sake.

>>95198899
The difference is that unlike Diane, the show doesn't expect you to side with Bojack when he's being a cunt.

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>Post yfw But I've never had a brother.

>>95198899
It's mostly on the fact she never get her comeuppance like Bojack. If Bojack got away with half of the shitty things he's done more people wouldn't like him.

>>95198871

I laughed at everyone having guns and rolled my eyes at the stupidly heavy-handed legislature scene.

>>95198899

People feel she gets away with it (for the record, I don't think Diana is nearly as bad as S1-3 Bojack.)

>Beginning of ep 6.

How... how did they get in my head?

only seen the first two episodes of season 4 right now

episode 2 made me tear up several times. great one.

>>95198899
Mainly because most of her freakouts are for weird reasons, and more importantly, are a gross over reaction. It's perfectly fine for her to be a bit upset over Mr. PB going over her head on certain things, but she blows them up way out of proportion.

>Zoe with bits of Zelda trying to get through
>Courtney Portnoy
>Neal McBeal the navy seal was in the wrong
EP 11 was great. I loved all the little tibits of dementia creeping through the flashbacks with the blurred faces and the picture frame drifting back and forth the timelines

>>95198943

I dont think it does.

I think you're a hyper sensitive /pol/tard snowflake

>>95198919
Please. There are plenty of women on the show that we don't hate. Maybe it has something to do with diane ruining literally everything forever.

>>95198899
Bojacks able to still realize when he does something wrong and has been shown to be becoming a better person as the season goes on, season one bojack would have never bothered with the dragonfly guy or evne tried to actively sabotage him. The guy fucking pulled him out of a lake to save his life just moments after he tried to kill him. Every single action diane has done in the last 2 seasons has been done purely for her own ego.

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>>95198963
Depression, like all diseases, is an alignment many people suffer from with the same recurring symptoms.

>>95198976
>Anyone who opposes her ideals is a walking strawman
No, it does. It couldn't get any more obvious that it does.

>>95198977
What I'm saying is, if it was a man ruining literally everything forever you wouldn't hate him. Oh wait, there's a man like this! It's fucking Bojack Horseman!

>>95198971

Because shes damaged.

Jesus.

>>95198967
Kind of amazing they can make you care about a character like Bea, who's been a massive bitch in every previous appearance she's ever had.

>>95198963

Shut up you dumb piece of shit

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>>95198953

>His smile just keeps getting bigger after she says that

>>95198997
There's a fair amount of people that oppose her and make fair sense.

>>95198997

I think shes the perfect explanation why liberalism is a failure.

Because capitalism can't be reformed

>>95198967

Episode 2 was truly the best in this season. It was just so beautifully sad. Felt really sorry for the Dragonfly man

>>95198776

>Base Zoey, trying hard to be a bit more Zelda.
>PB so hard.
>Not as strong as Bojack's.
>No, he should have used a cart

>>95199016
y-yeah

>>95198998
Like people have mentioned, the difference is Bojack gets what he deserves everytime.

You're trying to make this a gender issue when it's not. Shit compare Todd's and PC popularity. Everyone fucking hates Todd but loves PC. And for good reason, Todd is a comic relief that only serves to waste time on B-plots and PC is a greatly well rounded character.

>>95198899
She's self righteous, whereas Bojack makes it very clear he hates himself. You can't be self-righteous, and a shitty person.

>>95199039
Nah man S4E11 is literally the best episode the show has.

>>95199004
I have a thing for evil old women. I reaaaaally loved this season because of all the focus Beatrice got. Episode 11 hit me really hard, and all the stuff with her mother (and how she's portrayed in Beatrice's memories) was very emotional.
Is this the best season?

Can I get a pic of PC crying in her car after her really bad day?

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>>95198953
I'm glad the writers realize they don't have to end with every moment being gloom and doom to make a good drama.

Sometimes happy moments can make you cry.

>>95198963

I had to take a break after that episode because it hit me too hard. I've never had to do that during a netflix binge.

Half way through a Tennessee bottle Supposed to drive somewhere in 15minutes....

How did I get here /co/?

>>95199070

Episode 11 was my second favorite but I still liked episode 2 more. I just really liked how future and past story overlayed

>>95199086
>I mean lobotomies to women
This was a real trend that actually happened my man. It was considered the best cure for depression and thousands ended up getting it, the most common clients being housewives.

>>95199086

I mean... That's what people did try in the past.

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>>95199073
>I have a thing for evil old women.
I mean technically she's not exactly evil, but the picture still applies.
Also she's thicc, which is always a plus.

>>95199086
>I mean lobotomies to women?
That actually happened though, with alarming frequency. Granted the husband was comically evil.

>That panic attack Bojack had when he thought Sarah Lynn 2.0 was gonna happen

>>95199126
>Beatrice
>Sarah Palmer
>That Bloodbender from ATLA
I fucking love them.

Man this cartoon has really gone to shit

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>>95199164
okay

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>>95199086
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobotomy

>>95199126
>Beatrice not evil
>Spent years putting down her husband (who granted also ended up being shitty but she didn't exactly help)
>Emotionally abused Bojack to no end
>Drugs Holly because she's chubby and almost killer her
>Refuses to let Henrietta see, say goodbye or even hold her infant Holly because "she shouldn't get attached"
She is Clay Puppingtan levels of evil.

I have to admit that I almost cried in S4E11.

So what was the deal with the fucking running horses Bojack saw at the end of season 3

>>95199114
>>95199116
>>95199149

All in all, 40k lobotomies were performed in the US, and mainly for antipsychotic purposes, not as a go-to standard cure for depression.

>>95199194
They meant the lady on the picture I guess.

>>95199194

But it was all an evil sexist man who ruined her so everybody's ideology can stay intact. Please remember than women are always victims and never at fault.

>>95199217

>antipsychotic purposes

Which was totally happening to Bea's mom. She let her daughter drive the car and crashed them into a house simply because she was losing it

I watched episode 2 of Season 4.

Suddenly, I see why Beatrice is the way she is.

>>95199240

Oh shut up. Bojack has made often enough made fun of feminism. Remember Kelsey and her annoying feminist daughter?

Also the cuck background jokes makes me think the Bojack creators browse 4chin

>>95199194
>>95199240

>>95199126 was talking about Camile, could you maybe chill a little with the SJW hunt?

Okay, I have the following impressions about this season:

>Better than 3, enjoyed it overall
>Cool visual experiments, especially the dementia was done pretty nicely
>MPB is just too good for this world
>Diane is a dumb bitch who is probably just not able to be happy
>Todd is kinda annoying and boring
>Holly is a smaller, not as fucked up Bojack, but she grew on me. When she appeared I hated her, but she' kinda cool
>Her dads were hilarious, but I minded the black fag, the lizard douche and the vaping guy.
>Beatrice is a huge cunt, no excuses. At the beginning I thought about what a horrible childhood she had etc. with her mom's fate (first real gut punch in the season for me) and her dad being a stereotypical 40's businessman, but the dementia episode showed that she was just a spoiled dumb whore who, despite her being apparently extremely smart, did the dumbest thing you could do, just out of spite. And when she had the chance to be good, she wasn't. There were so many women who grew up like her and most of them just got out fine. Everything that had happened to her is an explanation, but no excuse.
>Happy for Bojack to not regressing for once
>PC arc was tragic. Crying in the car and end of future episode were really hard hitters. She really doesn't deserve this all.
>Weakest episode was the gun one, because that line at the end was so hamfisted.
>Muslim kills at open mic, christian kills at grocery store - I mean, really?

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>>95199194
I was referring to the chick in the picture, Camille, who is from the wildly popular video game DOTA 2.

>>95199267

Yep. Point was that even in the 40s you wouldn't just go and chisel people's brains in half for "acting up" or such, as some people here seem to think.

>>95199216
He wanted to join them and leave everything else behind.
But Diane's call disconnected him from that illusion and dragged him to his disgusting past.

Perhaps out of self pity, or overthinking everything, he denied himself that pleasure of keep running forward; instead to just follow whatever came in front of him. The whole thing with the summer house was just a coincidence. Bojack wasn't looking for anything other than running away in his Tesla.

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>>95199310
>>95199301
>>95199231
My bad, I read the post wrong.
>>95199240
Fuck off nigga.

>>95199310

Oh come on this thread is already a shitshow with the IRL politics fags, don't bait the MOBA politics fags too.

Is Bojack FINALLY becoming a better person?

>>95199348

A step in that direction yeah. Let's see if he keeps moving forward next season.

>>95199309

I don't understand why the writers torture PC so much.
If there's one character that deserves to be happy it's her.

>>95199364

He's probably going to regress next season.

>>95199309
>Cool visual experiments, especially the dementia was done pretty nicely
The dementia episode was so much better than the drugs episodes.

>Are you a Zoey or a Zelda?
I don't think everyone can really fit into that kind of binary.
>Who would you fug?
I dunno. No one, probably. Don't care for sex.
>How do you like your coffee?
Black.
>Did Neal McBeal have dibs on the muffins?
No, if you put things down in the grocery, you can not claim ownership. You either keep it in your possession until you make the purchase, or it's still fair game for whoever wants it.

>>95199320

It went a bit fast but the implication was that Bea's mom was a real threat to not only herself but also her daughter.

>>95199285
Just you wait bucko

>>95198899

Bojack and Diane are both honestly pretty shitty people. The only difference is that Bojack is actually slowly improving and he is consistently shat on whereas Diane says she cares about other people because it makes her feel less shitty about the selfish behavior that feeds her ego.

Diane is also definitely less destructive than Bojack, but she is also less pitiable. Bojack basically was pushed along to where he is in life and he can reasonably point to a plethora of pretty awful experiences that got him there (his mother being the most primary example). Diane is self-centered but has no real reason for it.

>>95199397

I actually like Bojack fixing things little by little. He can't afford to fuck shit up anymore. He would probably kill himself if Sarah Lynn repeated itself.

Seems more like everyone else around him is now in a downward spiral. Especially PC. She acts more like Bojack now than Bojack (In the sense of just being drunk all the time and letting herself go) . I don't even know what she's trying to accomplish with her new project. S

>>95199406

> You either keep it in your possession until you make the purchase,

No exception for items in your cart?

Episode 11 gave me some It's Such A Beautiful Day vibes and I love that.

>>95199406

Hah, typical Zoey

Did the show get more melodramatic and SJW-y than last season or what?

>>95199240

Go back to /pol/ and /r9k/ faggot nobody gives a shit

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>>95198953
Finally a good end.

>>95199501
I like drama and I could have done without all that ace stuff but it's not like it bothered me.

>>95199451

Well Diane also had a pretty shitty childhood, maybe even worse than Bojacks, but people keep forgetting that because she doesn't try to blame everything on her family.

I think people give Diane way too much shit.

>>95199501

This season was actually pretty uplifting. Well at least for Bojack. He seems to be on a good way to be a genuinely better person.

>>95199467
If it's in your cart, it's in your possession.

>>95199348
he realized that his presence helped to create the storm of failure and breakdown in his life that affected everybody and instead of just feeling bad for himself for being toxic he removed himself. so yes?

>>95199464
It really felt like with this season, that everyone operates on a karmic balance with Bojack.
>if Bojack gets better, everyone else's life gets worse
>if Bojack gets worse or stays terrible, everyone else's life gets better

Tod is immune because he's Tod. Obviously.

>>95199546
this is a valid point

>>95199546
>maybe even worse than Bojacks

nah

>>95199602

I dunno. I wouldn't wanna trade place with either of them. Both growing up in a poor redneck family that despises you for trying to become better and growing in a rich snob family that tries to push you into career for the mere fact that you are born and need to make up for it sound equally terrible.

Oh god this show used to be funny and now people are genuinely taking the relationship between a talking horseman and a cliche millenial girl seriously

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>>95198953

>>95198998
>What I'm saying is

You're not saying anything, you bleating lamb.

>>95199668
what do you feel posting this accomplished?

This isn't about the current season, but I accidentally looked at spoilers for seasons 2 and 3, but it still hurt when I watched them.

How does this show do it?

I JUST WANT PC TO BE HAPPY

>>95199689
AHH NO ONE CAN CRITICIZE MY PRETENTIOUS SHOW

>>95199708
The 11th episode.

>>95199689
I dunno, what do you think posting that accomplished, nerd?

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>>95198953

DAE think this show is sad just like your lives

I'm high and I just though of that!

>>95199738
But dude, relationships are complicated lol. And that's like, so deep and stuff. But also silly, but not as much as it is deep. Aren't we so delightfully self aware? I'm just like Bojack guys

>>95199738
>getting this mad when somebody doesn't appreciate your dismissive comment

imagine being such a fat loser that you hate on shows on an obscure mongolian tapestry weaving forum when you could just...appreciate your own shows

>>95199451

Diane fought against Hank even when it was clear everyone hated her and would kill her reputation. Diane went to war-torn Cordovia to raise awareness of a relief effort, which she wasn't even getting public credit for as a ghost writer for Sebastian's memoirs. She checked on Bojack multiple times even when he was being shitty and she got nothing in return.

Like yes Bojack and Diane are both depressed people trying to find meaning and happiness and treat people unfairly, but that doesn't mean they do so on the same magnitude. There's a difference between a sip of wine and 30 seconds with your mother, and a bottle of gin and a night with her.

>>95199784
haha upboated :)

>>95199784

Upvoted xD

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>halfway through
>dementia episodes

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>mh, good for him
chilling ending

I love this fuking show.

>>95199827
>waahhh you're not allowed to comment on things unless you like them.

4chan isn't your personal echo chamber pal. Maybe next time think about not being such a little bitch.

Did anything this season beat this episode
https://youtu.be/uyYQJPSZ_bk

>>95199880

A Todd episode I actually liked.

>>95199885
>little bitch

I've never seen somebody get this mad you fat faggot. Go back to /r/the_donald and /r/4chan.

>>95198776
So
>Princess loses Juda, her job is in the pits, she gave up on her boyfriend and having a kid while drunk, is now relying on Bojack to stay afloat at the moment
>PB's campaign just completely fizzled out 1/2 way through the season extremely awkwardly, but ultimately just gave him and Diane another rough patch where they just don't fully bounce back because Diane might have a self-depreciating mental disorder at this fucking point
>Bojack's self hatred ep was super good but again he just kinda fizzled until the very last episodes. Actually came out with some positives in his life
>Bea and Holly were the fucking lifeblood of the season surprisingly, but they really should've done the weight stuff throughout to make the twist hurt more. I cried when Bojack said they were in Michigan
>Todd todds around but has the best Todd Episode in the series
Solid season. 2nd half felt like plotlines they just kinda moved in and out of though. Why did they have to get rid of fucking Juda? Why??

>>95199912
Nothing came close to that ep (mostly due to the storytelling)

I like Diane, but the gun episode was bad. Not because of her views, but how the show handled it.

Like she frames things as though all women are afraid for their lives because of men, acting like men aren't afraid of walking through the streets at night, or afraid of getting murdered. When there's a female mass shooter, she quickly defends the woman and blames men and society, despite not knowing anything about the person or the incident. And we're supposed to see her as completely right, because all the men are strawmen who hate women.

>>95199930
Yeah, that's because he was actually helpful for once.

>>95199912
Dementia episode is probably the best episode they've made honestly.

I like Chuck Woodchuck

>>95199912
Ep 2 blows that out of the water. (no pun intended)

>>95198776

>Zoey or Zelda
Zoey trying to be a Zelda
>Who would you fug
Teenage Princess, Sarah Lynn
>How do you like your coffee?
Black
>Did Neal McBeal have dibs on the muffins?

No, fuck Neal McBeal the Navy Seal with a rake of steel

>>95199938
Eddie thinks BJ should fix his damned door...

>>95199930
same here really

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>>95199827
Lmao I wasn't even the guy you quoted.
Just replied because you sound like a faggot

>Are you a Zoey or a Zelda?
I dunno
>Who would you fug?
Penny, PC, wanda fem bojack and fem mr.
PB
>How do you like your coffee?
I don't drink coffee
>Did Neal McBeal have dibs on the muffins?
No.

>>95199938

I also liked Judah alot.

People who deserved better
>Fly guy
>Juda
>Mr Peanutbutter (too good for this world)
>Mouse guy

People who deserved worse
>Diane
>Hollywhatever

People who got what they deserved
>Bojack
>Beatrice
>Princess Caroline

Was the point of the troops episode that both Bojack and Neal were being childish?

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>yfw episode 2 and 11

Heard Zach braff was a fan of the show, im glad he got in an episode

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>>95199938
>Diane might have a self-depreciating mental disorder at this fucking point

Maybe a lobotomy would help.

>>95199983

He was a good straightman.

>>95199938
>>95200083

I liked Judah too, but I'm not sure he had another season of material. Mb it was for the best he ends on that high dignified note?

>>95199952

I don't think we're supposed to view her as completely right because she's pretty hypocritical about guns and about how she makes a decision that goes over Mr. PB's head and still goes through with it although he's strongly against guns.

I think the joke is that liberals are mostly against guns and view women as a constantly being threatened while conservatives think women feel as save as men and love guns.

Giving women guns to make them feel safer is perfect for triggering both sides because it seems to contradict both sides for different reasons

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>>95199935
Lol, you're trying so hard little guy. Here you are raving about fatties and Donald trump for some odd reason while telling other people they're mad, oh I am having so much fun at your expense

Alright, who's more sympathetic, Bojack or Rich from Rick and Morty?

>>95200114

I don't even understand howna show can make me empathize so much with a character it taught me to hate with such a passion for three seasons. I feel as conflicted as with Jaime in GoT

>>95200148
Judah was just, as perfect a partner you could get for Princess. He was always there, was the only person less human than her so they had nice synergy, his overperfection and appearance mask that he's just a genuinely nice guy who likes to be precise, and he was a good plot runner since he did literally all of Caroline's misc. shit in the background with no questions.
Just seemed like some move to get back to a status quo again: Diane + PB are falling apart, Caroline is in the pits and strong but dependent on Bojack, and Todd is Todd. Bojack is back up though, for literally the first time in the series. Not that it'll stay since the script is bound to be a huge stinker, since nobody checked it.

>>95199952
I hated the part that insinuated that manspreading was such a horrible thing. Like, come on, you could complain about anything less.

And as a man, I'm very afraid of walking through shitty areas at night. I know full well that I could get shot, robbed, stabbed, whatever.

I don't mind Todd's asexuality but the way the show has been preaching SJW values this season has been unbearable. I feel like although previous Bojack seasons bent towards liberal values, they still made fun SJWs all the time, whereas this season went full SJW.

>>95200097
Also people who deserve worse
>Todd

>>95198776

>Are you a Zoey or a Zelda?
Zelda
>Who would you fug?
Bojack's grandma. Pre-lobot.
>How do you like your coffee?
With honeydew.
>Did Neal McBeal have dibs on the muffins?
No, and don't give me the shit about the produce section. Its in the store area. Its not scanned or paid for.

This season went better than expected.
No serious death of side characters , a good twist on that PC storytime, the second episode, the 11th episode , but I keep getting the feel that DIane and Mr. PB is running out their course unless something really good comes up in a future season. It's not that they're on the verge of retiredom, but they've messed up by topping the previous debacle between the two.

>>95200207

Bojack. This season showed he genuinely tries to be better.

>>95199912
I still find that episode overrated. S3E11 is probably my favorite episode still, although I haven't finished S4 yet.

>>95200097
>Hollyhock deserved worse

For what exactly? She didn't do anything particularly abhorrent.

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>>95198888
To be fair, she OWNS the company. You should be able to make the decisions for your own company. Regardless if judah believes he made a solid decision, it unfortunately wasn't his to make. Which is a shame because I believe Judah was a very necessary part of VIM and PC will soon go under because Judah did almost ALL of the underling legwork to keep that shit a float so she could focus on she she does best, getting work.

>>95200124

I'm always a little nervous when celebrities take a shine to this show, makes me wonder how much they relate.

>>95200097
Eddie definitely deserved some closure. I hope he comes back next season because what him and Bojack had reminded me of S1 Todd and Bojack.

It was wholesome until Bojack did the wrong thing with good intentions like he always does

>>95200284

Not that guy, but I don't see why people like her. To be, she just seemed to be a copypasted wise beyond her years teenage character with nothing interesting about her.

PC's miscarriage episode felt like the Robin episode from himym where she learns she can never have children.

Only that PC has noone to cry her shoulder out on and that she actually wanted children

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>between 8 and 26 eggs left by episode 4
>several months passed since then

>>95200163
Yeah, but in the end, the joke was that Diane was right, and the ending only happened because men just hate women. They were portraying Diane as being reasonable for defending a mass shooter because of her gender.

Diane was probably in the wrong during the televised debate, where her husband was arguing about the safety issues while Diane tried to make it all about gender. But this was for like thirty seconds, isn't elaborated upon, and we don't get anything like this afterwards. And considering the show's tract with women's issues, I don't have a lot of faith in them.

Aside from that, Carolyn's idea of using women's fears to promote a movie was good, but that made sense, didn't need strawmen to convey it, and fits the show's general tone.

>>95198955
To be fair, speaking during that one monolouge against bojack how nothing was ever good enough for him, even after starring in his dream movie. (A movie he did zero work for and fucked around in new mexico for and still got the fame.)

It feels like he never gets justified comeuppance. The dude lives an amazing life where he can sit on his ass and do fuck all and still sustain his lifestyle. Until bojack becomes broke as fuck and has to sleep on someone else's couch and feel UTTER failure, he will never get his full comeuppance. Just enough to knock him off his feet and to do the woe is me act.

>>95200224
>the script is bound to be a huge stinker, since nobody checked it.
I was worried this was going to be the case since no one would open the damn thing and when bojack opened it and immediately started groaning and eye rolling my fears were confirmed.

>>95200243
He does but you can't really get worse.

>>95200284
She's a fat fatty who needs to go to a fat camp so she can learn how to not be so portly, obese and overweight.

Ok guys, I have a few ideas for characters for the hit Bojack Horseman show:

Get this-a beaver named Beverly. BEVERLY BEAVER LMAO. And she has two big front teeth and people keep staring at them LMAO. oh and she is a casting agent but keeps interrupting casting to build little forts! Omg

Or how about a Squid named Samuel....yeah. That's fucking right. A SQUID...NAMED SAMUEL XD. He's tods long estranged best friend who is a successful inventor...what do you think he invents? You guessed it, fuckfaces. SUCTION CUPS XD

Ok you stinking piles of maggot shit. That's not good enough for you? Two words for you: ELROY EEL. but here's the twist: he's not a fucking eel, he's married to a socially progressive actress who is an eel. WHOSE NAME IS ELIZA. ELIZA THE FUCKING EEL, YOU CUNTS. AND PEOPLE WILL SAY THINGS LIKE "YOUR FILMS ARE ELECTRIFYING" HAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCK YEAH DUDERINOS, HOLLYWOOD. ANIMALS. HOLLYWOOD. ANIMALS. HOLLYWOOD. ANIMALS. HOLLYWOOD ANIMALS XD

Anyone else slowly hating Todd?

>>95200438

Just completely bored by Todd antics at this stage.

>>95200438
For what spesific reasons?
cus he doesn't clean up his shit?

>>95200438
Todd is awful

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>>95200376

>tfw fully fell for the future great great great granddaughter bait
>tfw believed in the promised happy end
>tfw "Whenever I have a bad day I imagine my great great great granddaughter doing a presentation about me to believe everything's going to be alright"

>>95200376
the only silver lining is that you dont ovulate when pregnant, so most of the time during those months weren't spent wasting eggs.

>>95200432
Honestly if you switch some wording around to make it less reddity this entire paragraph could be on the show word for word without being out of place.

>>95200438
Since the first time I saw him. I feel like his character has been done to death better on other shows.
Just has such an annoying voice.

>>95200500
Oh god, this fucked be up so bad

>>95200529
Won't get rid of him any time soon.... cus Aaron Paul exec. produces the show.

>>95200432

And everytime Bojack enters the room he should shout something like
WHAZZUP BITCHES

just not that but something cooler

>>95199240
They were horrible to each other, dummy. They were both shitty in ways that bounced off each other to make them even shittier.

>>95200438
>Entire serious plot for Todd is about his boring sexuality.

The clown dentist arc made up for it though, but without that they could have literally killed him off in like halfway through season 3 and this show wouldn't be any different for it.

>>95200468

yfw Todd actually is the only one who cleaned up shit

>>95200438
I dont hate him in any way, but I am becoming bored with him since he's just doing more of the same each season. Halfway through this season whenever a part with him showed up I found myself thinking it was taking time from developing other characters. I mean I enjoy that someone isn't on the merry-go-round of life is fucking awful and depression-inducing, but you can't give them as much screen time as you give the others or it just gets old.

>>95200576

too good for this world..

>>95199194
Yeah I got Clay Puppington vibes as well

>>95199194
She's Bloberta but with Clay's outbursts.

>>95198953
>Bea is Bojack's Bojack: a bitter, cruel person whose darkness emerged from a hidden, harsh past
>Bea's sibling died, eventually leading life down a path with no redemption or recovery
>In the end, she ended up just like her mother: disconnected from reality
>Secretariat's sibling also died in war, leading him down a path that would result in him cheating in races and eventually suicide
>Bojack's sibling lived
>He gets to be redeemed

>>95199806
but the previous post claimed the show changed when it was always about relationships.

>>95200559

Her father, not her husband.

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>>95200500
I hope to god Shamalam had something to do with this twist, because if he didn't then someone else has created his life's Magnum Opus, and I don't know how he'll deal with that.

PC is one of my favorite characters, and one of the very few non shitty people in the show, but her freak out with her mouse bf was so fucking uncalled for, she was pretty much perfect for her, and supportive as fuck, but she self sabotaged her own relationship for no good reason.

>>95200438
If Todd wasn't around the show would be too dark to enjoy. He's a silver lining that barely gets into any big trouble, he skirts along the sidelines helping the cast and just does wacky shit to keep things a comedy without having awkward comedic moments during serious ones.

>>95200630
So, had it gone lemon sour and Hollyhock had died, he'd be trailing the same path?

>>95200630

That's not a bad theory.

>>95200642
Why would he? Did he even work on the show?

>>95200642
Yeah, its called "Atonement".

>>95200662
Without Hollyhock, he'd be stuck thinking that he's poison and nothing good will ever come from him. The book was ghostwritten and talked about his failures, the movie was CGI and didn't win an oscar. Now he knows that he made something good happen.

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>>95200506
>>95200500
>>95200376
She's going to get pregnant from Bojack on her last egg

>but it is... fake
>yeah well...it makes me feel better

shit was powerful

Rank the E11s, folks.

4 > 1 > 3 > 2

>>95200207
Until Rick tries to better himself, Bojack is currently more sympathetic.

How different would Bojack's life be if he never became famous?

How do you rank the seasons?

>>95200659

PC's problem is that she never wants to show people weakness and always wants to someone everyone else can rely on.
Like her breakdown in her car where she was fully losing it but she immediately wiped her tears away and pretended like nothing happened when Mouse bf called.

Could've probably gone through it by just being upfront about her problems but she always wants to fix things by herself

>>95200731
4 > second half 1 > second half 3 > 2 > first half 3 > first half 1

>>95200752
>>95200731

1 = 2 = 3 = 4

The show is consistent as fuck, and always delivered

>>95200331
She's not really wise though. She's an adopted kid who wants to meet her biological parents. It's neat to see how Bojack reacts with her and in what ways she's similar to Bojack.
Also she be T H I C C

>>95200500

>tfw this totally came from Ruttabager's movie star speech

>>95200114
>tfw you don't have a face due to being in the memory of an elderly dementia patient who loses it more by the day

>>95200752
4 > 1 back half > 3 > 2 > 1 front half

>>95199240
>evil sexist man who ruined her
It was. And that evil sexist man also lobotomized his grieving wife because her trauma over her dead relative was too inconvenient for him and dangerous for his money empire.
Whine more, faggot.

>>95200752
1=2>POWER GAP>a so-so episode of "friends">POWER GAP>3

Don't plan on watching 4

>>95200774

This. I couldn't really pinpoint a favorite season or even a favorite episode. Though the first half of the first season was rather weak because they needed to build up the characters first and tried to reel people in by pretending to be just a standard adult cartoon to make them go in with a certain expectation only to completely subvert it.

>>95200816
He did nothing wrong lmao

>>95200840
You'll miss out hard on probably shit you've waited for. Just go on that bender.

What are your guy's predictions for next season?

Bojack meets Henrietta and learrns a side of his father he never knew

Bojack is going to ditch on the Philbert gig halfway through because of something to do with his mom.

PC is going to snap at her new assistant and find Judah begrudgingly working for Rutabaga or Judah will be in an entirely different line of work.

>>95200840
Well, what are you doing in this thread then buddy? Honest question

>>95200659

I don't BLAME blame her, she really had a truly fucking awful day and was at wits end. What she should have done was take a hard mulligan on the day after the miscarriage, instead of trying to plow through like the insane workaholic she is.

>>95200596
>Downright evil, but still tragic, parent.
Checks out!

>>95198899
Bojack's a piece of shit and he gets his comeuppance with how shit his life is.
Diane's a piece of shit and everyone still loves her and she has an amazing husband and good friends, and she constantly spouts her feminist bullshit everytime she's on screen. She's a worse Lisa Simpson. She's tumblr/HuffPo personified, yet she's played off like she's not a hilariously awful stereotype or just a loudspeaker for the writers to virtue signal with.

>>95200868
Wasting time. I'm in a hotel in the middle of nowhere because a hurricane is having its way with my state

>>95200438
Mostly indifferent. He's more or less in the same spot as he was before I think, always trying to do some sort of wacky, zany scheme. It's just that here they also embraced his asexuality, although... the topic, much like other topics, was far from subtle.

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>>95200747

>>95200284
She's fat so all the cheeto fingers are upset she's not another Penny.

>>95200900
Are you serious? Diane was left crying at the end of this season because her marriage is a wreck because she's too much of a self-righteous coward to fix it.

>>95200904
Fuck you. Real Floridians stay in state!

>>95200867

Beatrice resting in the death basket.

PC and BJ falling back to old routines, but she gets preggo.

Diane and Mr. PB breaks up (fuckin' finally).

Penny and Eddie returns.

>>95200927
>I was just thinking about what it'd be like if you had chosen this life
Still destroys me desu

>>95200928
God can I not wait for porn of her.

>>95200949
Haha I live on water my guy. No way I'm as dumb as a Texan

>>95199831
>Diane fought against Hank even when it was clear everyone hated her and would kill her reputation.
In real life everyone would be munching her carpet. There would be plenty of right wingers shitting on her but the entire left would be going "MMM U GO GURL"
>Diane went to war-torn Cordovia to raise awareness of a relief effort
She went there for a few fucking days and didn't do shit, then left without telling her husband and lied to him that she wasn't home
>She checked on Bojack multiple times even when he was being shitty and she got nothing in return.
She's a thirsty, needy cunt. Bojack was ignoring her and she wasn't getting the message he wanted to be left alone. If a man did this to a woman he'd be arrested for stalking and harassment.
Diane is worse than Bojack - she's just as shit as Bojack, but she has no reason to be. She's got a decent job, a great house, and her husband's a loaded popular celebrity. She has NO reason to be such a bitch. She's just a fucking cunt. Mr. PB loves her and is loyal to her unconditionally and she treats him like a doormat. So yeah, Bojack's a shitty guy but he has a reason to be. Diane's just a bitch and she never gets what's coming to her.

>>95200961
>Diane and Mr. PB breaks up

I wanted this since season 1, PB is too good for her

>>95200717

Bojack will end up with Diane.
PC will die sad and alone

>>95200991
Fourth time's the charm!

>Look at Bojack Porn
>All gay Shit

End me senpai

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>yfw "Why, I have half a mind..."

>>95200900

Did we miss the end of Season 2 where her reputation was trashed, she flunked out of the trip she thought would "make a difference" and instead saw death horror and Sebastian's massive ego, she lied to her husband and couldn't go home, so instead she crashed at bojack's place in total despair?

I WANT OWL

GIVE ME OWL BACK

>>95198776
You know, the whole Cat King play was a really good way to bring in issues of race into the show without just having a white guy be dismissive.

Bojack have been bouncing in and out of depression since season 1, any searies finale diferent than his death would be inconclusive, like just another part of the never ending cycle of his life.

IMO he should kill himself

>>95200659
Why are people not taking into account all of the post-pregnancy hormones flushing from her body and clouding her emotions and judgement?
Mouseman should have given her some space. It was not equally as devastating for both, and it made me eyeroll when he said he was equal in it.
One was going through much more in a literal physical sense than the other. It's like when a guy says that he and his woman "are pregnant" when the only fucking pregnant one is the female.
He wasn't very understanding of what she was going through and called it "lying" when she needed to be alone and wasn't ready to let him down. Glad he's gone, he gave creep vibes.

>>95201071
>not just ending the series with Bojack walking into a bar and the bartender asking him "why the long face?"

>>95200900
Diane doesn't can't express gratitude cus she feels fake as hell, even when her career and private life is handed almost to a silver platter.

This is why its hilarious cus she wants to help out and fall behind all this ideological crap, cus she cannot help herself. This is the point with the escape she did from LA, and comes home crippling to BJ.

>>95201036
I don't remember this part, refresh my memory

>>95201071

I really really want Bojack to have true and earned happy end. Not just by a single redeeming action but by working to it step by step like this season. Just to know there's hope for all of us.

>>95201102
Beatrice's mother says it throughout the second episode, but it's the final line after she's been lobotomized.

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>>95201062

>>95201046

And then her loving multi-millionaire husband takes her back in an instant and everything's fine again.

>>95200506
cats have litters of 2-5 kittens
does that meant she uses that many eggs per ovulation?

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>>95201036

That part in ep11 where you only see her silhouette as Bea's dad is casually standing around a fire

>>95201174
I think everyone is human based, which explains things like Wanda having mammal breasts.

>>95201062
Wanda was hotter than the dear!

>>95201079
She had a safe net for her relationship (the appartamant) and while saying she wanted to have a family with him she lied about all the miscarriage and was in denial about being able to have children. She needed space? The she should have asked for, not break up with the only good uy she ever met when he didn't read her mind. From mouse guy's POV everything was perfect in one second and in the next one PC was throwing shit at him, she really need to find a middle ground here.

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Have you finally accepted Bean time yet, Anon?

>>95199912
Episode 11 of this season is pretty much the best episode they've ever made.

>>95201079
As someone whose girlfriend got a secret abortion, it is pretty shitty and manipulative to act like your partner has no input into matters like starting a family.

>>95201199
Read the side-gags, and then you'll find that statement to be wrong.

>>95201151

Ehhh their relationship was noticeably strained by the start of Season 3 ("I acknowledge your feelings...") and she got stuck in some pretty unfulfilling work.

>>95201174
I think unless its for a gag people in their world follow a general human biology with no crossbreeding.
>woman and horse bang
>baby is a horse just like her dad
>any animal can manage to get the other pregnant, which shouldn't be possible in biology

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>>95199880
>>95199930
>>95199955
>>95200022
That episode was shit and ultimately proves that the writers really don't know what to do with him. The asexual shit is so poorly developed I have no idea why they implemented it other than to cause needless drama and cause a rift between him and Bojack its even more pointless when they wrote his "girlfriend" off the show. Really out of the entire cast Todd is the only one that hasn't gotten better and still feels like he's stuck in the first season.

>>95201220
Since they gave a measurement of how long the girl had been telling her story was six beans I'm patiently waiting for a guesstimate as to how much a bean is and maybe a glimpse into the structure of bean time.

>>95198776
So who's worse, Todd or Diane?

>>95201204
>not break up with the only good uy she ever met when he didn't read her mind
She broke up with him because he said something insensitive and stupid to someone who just had a miscarriage. He didn't back down when she told him and that sent her running, can't blame her in that heat of the moment.

>>95201242
>it is pretty shitty and manipulative to act like your partner has no input into matters like starting a family
Not saying he should have no input, but neither you nor him are 'equal' in the matter as you will never carry a pregnancy.

>>95201350

Todd.
I actually like Diane

>>95201317
Weak Bait.

>>95200207
Bojack by far. Rick is far too two dimensional of a character to have any real emotional attachment to and it also doesn't help that he's far too perfect despite his clear inefficiencies as a human being which the show tries to play off for laughs but when it tries to use it for drama it falls flat.

>>95201023
>nothing of Neal McBeal the Navy Seal getting fuck by a guy in a muffin costume
like you have a damn problem

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>>95201406
>Toddfag

>>95201352

I think the real problem was him not even considering that the doctor appointment could have turned out not so well and tried to celebrate before Princess even told him the news.
Of course Princess was also at fault for trying to get over it all by herself, but he really didn't handle the situation well.

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>>95201395
>I actually like Diane

>>95201352
>in that heat of the moment.

My point is that it wasn't the heat of the moment, she was building that up for quite a while, but she have no idea of how to let the steam out, PC worked on too modes during her relationship "everything is fine, everything is perfect" and "it is all over"

>>95201394
The context I read was his pain was equal, not that his input was equal.

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>Episode 11 was a masterpiece
>Episode 12 is utter mediocrity
Why

>>95201350
Diane, definitely.

The clown dentist subplot had its ups and downs but overall I really wanted to smack Diane at the end

>>95200207
Bojack, no contest, Rick is completely unrelatable and pretty inconsistent

>>95201479
All the seasons peaked at episode 11

>>95201479
Because episode 11 is usually the finale in Bojack seasons and 12 is a wrap up of all the side-character's arcs and a set-up for the next season.

Wasn't much setting up this ep12 tho

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>>95201329
Alright. At the point in time we get the calculation for 8 beans, the episode has run 17 min and 30 seconds. Subtract the 15 seconds before class settles down and the presentation begins with logos, the amount of seconds the Opening Credit beings and ends (53 seconds), it will be in total subtraction of 98 - 17:30 = 15:52.

Divide 15:52 by 8, and you'll get 1,94.

1 bean = 2 minutes and 34 seconds.

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2 > 11 > 6 > who cares

The filler and subplots were really, REALLY weak, but the main arc with Bojack and his mother were incredible. Definitive enough that I think this might be the best season we've had so far.

The twist was amazing. The overall theme of childbirth and handing down your misery was top notch. It felt like the season had direction, as opposed to the aimless depression in the three previous seasons.

Nearly cried by the end of episode 11.

>>95201350

Todd is boring, Diane is annoying. They should've been restricted to interactions with Bojack instead of fucking off to their own storylines.

>>95201571

9 is surely above Who Cares, no?

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5 episodes in and my god it is so preachy, and I usually like that kind of stuff

>>95201571
I don't think the subplots were necessarily weak, they just peaked early. Like the asexual thing with Todd was nice, but the clown dentist thing got dragged out two episodes too long.

Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter has been dragging out for way too long. I honestly thought her and Bojack were gonna fuck when they trapped underground. And I felt like PC's story was resolved/left hanging in a decent way

>>95201350
Todd

>>95201570
wrong.
1 bean = 4 minutes and 44 seconds.

>>95201062
literal who?

>>95201627
it's okay Diane is really the only one relatively unhappy by the end of the season

>>95201647
>>95201570

Both wrong
1 bean= 1 bean
Embrace the bean

>>95200438
Todd only worked best in season 1 and 2 where is sunny naivety and blind fanboyism clashed with Bojack's dark cynicism so they did well to bounce off one another but once he start hanging with PB it changed his dynamic now he was just an idiot hanging out with another idiot with no straightman in between which made him boring and finally his entire plotline in season 3 fell flat on its face because it tried to make him more of a character but it felt so shoehorned in that you couldn't help but despise him for lashing out over his incompetency and now in season 4 he's pretty much just a pest with nothing to do, his plotlines are still not funny and the writers don't really know what to do with him anymore so he's just going to bunk with the other characters until his relationship with Bojack gets patched and quite frankly Bojack doesn't really need Todd anymore. So yeah guy is just really nothing but a reminder of what the show used to be and while people insist that he's needed so that the show doesn't become a complete downer his material is the weakest the writing has to offer.

>>95201683
I don't obey the bean, I bend my will to THE FIRE!

>>95201692
Hmm that weird fish lady was there from the beginning all along.

>>95201699
Water is stronger than fire!

>>95201350
During most of Underground, I was hoping that Diane and Bojack would stop interacting with each other because I just hate their character interactions now. Todd, while annoying and mostly serving to provide filler material for this season, is not really offensive in that way.

As for their actual personalities, one is a loveable, lazy goofball, and the other is a stuck up feminist who manages to actually have less empathy than Bojack. It's not really a contest.

>>95201627
I'm ace as hell and was kind of hype to find out that Todd was too, but every time the topic came up it felt like a weird PSA or something, just really stilted. Bummer.

>>95201692
oh man totally didn't know head-tentacle girl was there at the beginning

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>>95198953

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>>95201709
>>95201743

>weird fidh
>head tentacle

She is a axolotl

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>Bojack will never understand the nature of his mother's suffering
>he will always resent her without understanding why he was treated so cruelly

>>95201785
>axolotl
thanks for the bio lesson

>>95200774
>The show is consistent as fuck, and always delivered
First half of season one is bad and the third season wasn't as strong as it could have been but then again it was a tough act to follow. The second season is consistently strong throughout and the fourth season has two of the best episodes in the series. If any case I really do think its time for the writers to consider wrapping it up soon before this series gets really repetitive.

I just got off Netflix from finishing it, it was fantastic.
>Are you a Zoey or a Zelda
Zoë
>Who would you fug
My penis is like sun-dried tomatoes in the 90s. I'd even go for the Dentist Clown girl and the Axolotl
>How do you like your coffee
black
>Did Neal McBeal have dibs on the muffins
No, the produce aisle is a no-mans land and abandoning items there makes them fair game

I like literally all of the characters. They're all good. Y'all are wack.

>>95201803
>why he was treated so cruelly

Because his mother was a bitch, no amount of suffering justified how she raised bojack

>>95201814
I wish it was up to writers to decide when to wrap up a series

Anyone else get completely BTFO by the reveal that the frame narrative of the future-kid telling the story about PC's bad day was just a fantasy? I never once questioned it and clung onto it as an "everything's going to be ok" life jacket and then they ruined me.

>Seasons 2 and 4 had upper endings.
It's all going to crash down in 5 isn't it

>>95201842
But she had no frame of reference for tenderness, except her brain damaged mother, who ultimately taught her that she should never love.

She was condemned to cruelty from a very young age, with everyone she trusted either being hurt or hurting her. Obviously she wasn't in the right, but it's apparent why she did what she did.

>>95201869
I'm not gonna lie, but I hope this show lasts 9 seasons.

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>>95201634
>Like the asexual thing with Todd was nice,

Im going to get shit for this.
But Im hot for Diane.

She reminds me of my ex.

>>95201317
Todd's asexuality is juxtaposed against the rest of the cast's hyper-sexuality, and it serves the narrative that Todd is a paragon of purity in the show.

>>95201803
That's what makes the last moment of S4E11 so powerful. Bojack doesn't want his mother's love anymore and he doesn't know her terrible past so he doesn't understand why she was so cruel. But despite this, he uses her one moment of semi-lucidity to comfort her and make her feel happy. He was able to escape the past. She wasn't.

>>95201887

I figured it out pretty early, but I was really really hoping I was wrong. It was more a mounting dread as I realized her "outs" were dwindling and she kept trucking downwards.

>>95201949
That's fine but it does nothing for the show and is poorly explored. The only hyper sexual is Bojack and the show doesn't treat it as anything special.

>>95201890
I'm thinking that bojack is going to continue to try to get better, but Diane's failing marriage with PB and PC's life in shambles are both going to somehow drag him into the middle of it, either with him making it worse or them making things worse for him for once. Also if the last scene didn't make it obvious the movie is going to be awful and that'll probably play more into PC's life being awful right now and Bojack having done nothing successful since the 90's and it hanging over his head.

>>95201893

We're all products of our pain, anon.
But like todd said last season.

You re the shitty things you do.

I wish it was that simple. I've spentmy life seeing the pain in others and trying to love them despite their problems.

All its left me with is a broken heart, thousands of dollars in debt and a drinking problem

>>95201893
>She was condemned to cruelty from a very young age

Bullshit, I know people with worst background who turned into decent parents

>>95201949
False. This would be the case if Todd's asexuality was not politicized, and if he didn't accept the label of asexual. To be virginal and uninterested in sex could have been a part of Todd, considering the fact that he's a bumbling retard.

Here, it's played up exclusively for identity politics.

>>95201985
that's fair

>>95201692
The "asexual-aromantic" talk was something you could read online in 2007. And now in 2017 they're treating it like a PSA for the ignorant masses.

It's crazy how much Diane and Bojack are parallel characters

Bojack is egotistical, emotionally impulsive, and rude to hide his insecurities of feeling relevant and important. But even despite that, he's still moderately successful and just a step below a household name.

Diane is the complete opposite. Rational, humble, and not an asshole. But she also has a crippling insecurity over her desire to feel relevant and important. The irony is that she's only successful doing relatively vapid work, which knocks her own ego of wanting to be a real writer and in the end she's still a literally who blogger.

I thought it was nice that Season 4 ended with her life going sideways and Bojack's finally getting a win. I think season 5 (if we get it) is gonna be "lets break down Diane" more than any other. She's the only one who really hasn't had any setting development

I will never fuck Princess Carolyn in the back of a police car while both of us are in handcuffs.

Why should I even continue living?

>>95201949
>Todd's asexuality is juxtaposed against the rest of the cast's hyper-sexuality
Not really. everyone else just has sex normally its not exactly a "out there" plot device in a show about Hollywood.
>and it serves the narrative that Todd is a paragon of purity in the show.
People keep saying this but they really don't focus on him at all to the point it feels awkward when there's a comedic interlude to remain us that "this is still a comedy" through all the heart wrenching moments. Its still a strong show that can be funny without Todd around.

>>95201994
And some people don't. That's the thing. She would have been a much stronger person if she had turned out to be a good mother, but the fact that she turned out to be a shit mother is clearly not her fault. Some people just aren't resilient enough, and they take certain lessons they learn early on in life to heart.

Her lobotomized mother literally told her to never love something strongly, and she ended up doing just that.

>>95201985
>only hyper-sexual is bojack
Maybe not hyper-sexual, but Mr Peanutbutter is now on wife #3, Diane cheated on him with Bojack, PC has had two boyfriends and regularly slept around with Bojack while also being his agent/manager. There is no drought of sex or sex-related escapades from all the main characters except Todd, and they are at the very least promiscuous, if not hyper-sexual.

>>95202033
>She's the only one who really hasn't had any setting development
Did you miss all of season 2 was focused on breaking her down and having her crawl back to PB with an inflated ego?

>>95202068
I got a lot of the same feelings watching this season of Bojack that I did watching Moral Orel.

>>95202061
So you can see the Princess Carolyn happy end

>>95202115
They were extremely similar. Especially when you compare the two fathers.

>>95201993
I think it could be an interesting change of pace if the movie being awful allows Bojack to not shit the bed for once; he won't stress out about it like he did with Secretariat. But he's probably more likely to feel like he's above it all and try to worm his way out of it, or just skip town again.

>>95201862
Oh shit I didn't realize the BBB girl was at the meeting. I was wondering how she knew about Todd.

>>95201985
Did Bojack have sex with anyone this season? I feel like he barely indulged in any of his usual vices.

>>95202073
>Mr Peanutbutter is now on wife #3
There's lots of normal people who have been divorced
>Diane cheated on him with Bojack,
She just kissed him
>PC has had two boyfriends and regularly slept around with Bojack while also being his agent/manager
Well you got me there

>>95201785
>axolotl

Anon don't lie to me thats clearly a Mudkip

>>95201949
What's the deal with this, anyway? Todd is a useless piece of shit, that has been basically living parasitically for years now and always fucks up everything. Why do the showrunners lionize him so much? Who are they appealing to?

>>95202068
>but the fact that she turned out to be a shit mother is clearly not her fault

Yes it is

>>95202170
>Did Bojack have sex with anyone this season?
His fan club's president

Think we're gonna get another Christmas special this year? I loved the last one

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> Thread full of bitching about Todd's asexual status
> Doesn't bring up the fact Todd is a manchild who's not dedicated to responsibilities, which in the end fucks him over when he does shit solo (easily distracted, see rock opera), but an incredibly influence and well connected person who's got no self-aware over the fact he can do random shit and get away with it
> tfw he's too good for this world cus he still shows admiration and care enough for the people he spends time with
> tfw still can't clean up his shit

>>95202181
Mudkips are based on axolotls too

>>95198776
what was the difference between being a zoey or zelda again?

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>>95202183
in a cast of fucked up individuals, you need a "pure" character to balance the rest. PB almost fills that role but he's got his hangups too.

>>95202222
QUADS
optimist and pessimist desu

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>>95202222
As much difference as checking those quads and these dubs.

>>95202195
>grow up with a father who lobotomizes your mother for being too emotional
>burns all her shit and constantly tells her to lose weight
>last lesson she imparts is to never love
>opens her heart up to a guy who ends up being complete garbage
>stuck with him raising a baby in a loveless marriage
>Wooowww why isn't she a good mother wtf?

anyone else tear up at the sight of bojack finally getting a legitimate win?

>>95202183
The viewerbase that have lived parasidically off of their parents for years and fucked up everything while being insecure in their identity or place in life. A lot of teens and young adults feel that way nowadays, I used to before I got a job, moved out, and more or less adjusted to my flaws. Its nice to see someone on TV going through that struggle but turning out okay.