Defend CalArts

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>>95125283

Alright I'll play devil's advocate.


CalArts isn't really as it is good. It teaches beginer artist the fundementals on a different scale than what you would learn in a class session.

It does help show progress on aspects of body fluidity and anatomy and animation on an average cartoon level.

Granted yes most people who do learn from CalArts tend to use the drawing style as a crunch and in thw long run may or may not learn to pick up new styles. But it what does teach his good consistency if a person does manage to find a different art style they loke and can get used to.


That's my veiw on CarlArts

>>95125283
>beany faces
>edgy manchildren
No surprise you see a conflict here.

>>95125457
>>95125283
CalArts just exposes hacks. It's such a simple art style that any 5 year old can draw it.

>>95125524

If it's so simple 5 year olds can do it then we'd see a whole lot more drawfags in more threads, also I don't think most 5 year olds have the motor skills to make that level of art, stick rigures maybe, but a whole character with facial features and body expression? No.


What even is your persepective of a hack anyhow?

People don't go to college to learn anything. They go to college to get a job. To that end, CalArts is fine. The studio has a lot of connections and can, at the very least, get people an internship at a big studio so they get a chance to work their way up.

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>>95125301
/thread

>>95125283
What makes you think they still teach the beanface? What if that is just an outdated maymay?

Did OP get their application rejected? Is that why they're so butthurt?

>>95125600
He's just a parrot who doesn't know shit, you're not getting an answer until someone else comes up with one and it gets repeated ad nauseum

>>95125705
It's just the new "tumblr nose" shitpost.

>>95125641
yeah I'm gonna need some sauce on that

>>95125625
>People don't go to college to learn anything.
21st century academia, everyone

>>95125283
Networking with future showrunners and directors.

>>95125283
But this style was a thing for the longest and used by people that didn't go the cal arts. It's just a simple style to use.

In fact aren't there people that went to CalArts that don't use styles like this?

>>95125283
A lot of this homogenization of artsyle which gets attributed to CalArts is more down to shows needing to simplify how their characters are drawn so that they're able to be animated on time and within budget, I also wouldn't be surprised if executive meddling has more than a bit to do with it too. If you look at the blogs and portfolios owned by a lot of the artists behind these "CalArts" shows they are actually able to draw and animate in styles other than that of OP's image.

>>95125728
this is what Star and Marco do on friendship thursdays

https://www.xvideos.com/video22848593/star_vs._the_forces_of_evil_scandal

>>95125283
easy, 20 prism towers supported by MG bunkers and 5 grand cannons. 10*4 Harriers squadrons binded to hotkeys. Aswell as a shitton of prism tanks. Did I mention the 5 layered walls I have built?

>>95125600

Agree, I cant draw Star Vs or Loudhouse or Ruby Gloom characters easily :/

>>95125728
>I love you Rebecca!

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>>95125283
Absolutely NOTHING of the CalArts meme makes sense.

If you believe in it, you are just an idiot.

Seriously, what you Fuchs even THINK that CalArts do? Most artists there draw in plenty of styles (you would knew if you followed them) and most of the shows attributed with a "CalArts" style aren't done by people who even STUDIED THERE. Even dumber because it's not the school who picks or give the budget to the shows, but the NETWORK.

I want to see you defending this meme.

>>95126264
Isn't CalArts in a section of a city? Im pretty sure the buildings surrounding it can put up a minor defense, just place guns and SAMs on the roof tops

>>95126264
Say hi to Khirov spam.

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>>95125283
I want to fuck that wolf thing

>>95127061
Me too. Then wipe my cummy dick on his neck bandanna.

>>95126364
/co/ is a bunch of a retards who don't know shit about their own board subject. This is obvious as fuck if you've been in a thread where people attempt to seriously discuss animation in any way whatsoever.

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if you did a lick of research about calarts alumni who've created cartoons you would see the variety in style
pic related

>>95126364
of course it doesn't. but /co/ likes having something to blame for a thing they don't like even if it doesn't make sense

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>>95125796
>ten years of college
>half paid for by scholarships and grants
>no degree yet
>loved by liberals for being a college student
>loved by conservatives for not having a college degree

I don't know what the fuck is going on with academia, but keep doing it until I'm dead.

>>95127061
>>95127398
I think he's a fox.

I want to fuck him too

>>95129480
>loved by conservatives for not having a college degree

Is this really how it is in America or is anon just memeing?

>>95127839
>Samurai Jack
>variety of style
Don't you try to pull that. It was made in the era of rampant flat Hanna-Barbera-like shows that CalArts graduates were constantly making. SJ had the same animation pacing and techniques as most other cheap shows at the time, only standing out because it was mainly action focused.

>>95126101
Just curious, but when you say executive meddling do you mean that they think that the simpler look of CalArts makes it easier to attract more children to watch the show or is it more for the previous reason you stated which is budget?

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>>95125283
I can't blame CalArts for teaching people to draw Anime style.

>>95130625
Man, people on this board will just say any utter bullshit that comes to their mind, huh?

>>95125625
>>95125796
He's right, tho. Most Ivys have tremendous grade inflation, and classes not much better than your local community college.

If you want to learn, go to a State or land grant college. If you want the connections that will give you a huge step up in life over the plebes, go to an expensive fancy college where you meet the sons and daughters of the people who run the world, and you can put the university name on your resume so that other people who went there will choose you instead of the people who went to their local college and actually learned something.

>>95125625
pretty much this, for all fields in fact

>>95125796
is this news to you?

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>>95130625
>SJ had the same animation pacing and techniques as most other cheap shows at the time, only standing out because it was mainly action focused.
...yep, gonna have to concede to that point.

>>95125625
This is true for most things. Especially with art, you can practice yourself to learn. Now I do think a school is useful to learn the current animation process, but I don't think there's a huge gulf between the big brand name expensive school and other schools. A lot of brand name schools in anything are more about connections than anything else. That said it doesn't mean they're bad just that there's more going on than the classes. A lot of them are also "gatekeepers" meant to sift out most of the people from certain classes as people like to hire others from their own class and social circle.

>>95125283
Helen Hill came out of it

>>95125457
sauce

>>95125301
>>95125641

samefag

>>95130697
Because Adventure Time got popular and made the style trendy.

>>95125283
They train an efficient style that produces workable content consistently on a budget.
They have dominated the American cartoon industry because they train people to get the job done, and if you had ambition and an idea in the last twenty years, going through CalArts was the right thing to do.

>>95136447
The style has nothing to do with the school and you are a fucking retard who parrots everything he sees on the internet.

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Reminder Peter Chung studied in Calarts

>>95136519
Well then explain it to me, genius

>>95125724
>tfw you have a tumblr nose in real life

>>95125283
You dont go to Calarts to learn art or animation

You go to get in with the right people and you pay so much because it pretty much guarantees you a high ranking position in any animation related job because of connections studios have with Calarts.

If you want to get anywhere in animation you HAVE to go there or youll be lucky to be a slave working on CGI trees in the background forever.

Its super fucked up how corrupt Calarts and Hollywood are together but thats how it is.

>inb4 hurr durr hanna barbera samefaces
you are comparing one guy's style to different animated companies using the same style

>>95131624
Samurai Jack uses the same art style as PPG, Foster's, Johnny Bravo, Dexter's, etc.

>>95130625
How retarded do you have to be to believe this

>>95130245
Yes, he is. No conservatives hate college, at most they hate liberal arts, and even then they only hate some of them because they're typically fond of history and economics

CalArts isn't why this art style is popular. It's because it's easy to animate and easy to make merchandise out of.

The only thing that CalArts is responsible for is industry nepotism but that exists everywhere and if it wasn't CalArts it'd be a different school.

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>>95137424
>conservatives
>fond of history

>>95137570
Im sorry how can liberals claim to be knowledgeable about and love history when they still haven't figured out that Communism will never work, despite dozens of historical examples?

>R-real Communism has never been tried!

>>95137570
You are right anon, you become a centralist if you read history and understand both the left and right have their fuck ups

>>95137640
>>95137654
t. Drumpftard

Liberalism ended slavery and gave womens rights for the first time in HISTORY, not conservatives or fence sitters

Anyone else spend a couple minutes trying to cover up the rest of the girl's fave and recontextualize the smile as a worm?

>>95137702
Lincoln, widely regarded as taking the measures needed to truly end slavery, was Republican and a centralist, tho.

>>95125600
it fucking loooks like shit, people become worse artists after going to cal arts because they make them practice that shitty style and they dont do anything else
No wonder children would rather watch those weirs add spiderman and elsa or mickey mouse prggnant videos on youtube than that crap

>>95126364
I'm fairly certain the calarts meme is just pol posters slipping over.

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>>95137640
real capitalism has failed spectacularly every time it's implemented and that's entirely by design

>>95137654
>centralist
pic related

>>95125301
fpbp

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>>95137962
>[blank] theory
pic related

>>95137770
a centrist is just a political fedora-tipper who insists on calling it a trilby

>>95137962
Capitalist country have largely succeeded in the west.

>>95137702
For one, you assume both of those are good things, and two slavery wasn't ended by liberalism, exactly the opposite, a powerful state, in one of the most conservative countries in history, fought against a group of people who thought they had the right to sucession and self determination, and freed the slaves purely to gain their support for the war effort.

>>95137640
ok so just to understand the absurd series of thoughts you had to get to this comment
>liberals love communism
>communism is bad and has been shown to fail
>since that happened in the past it is history
>since liberals love something that has failed in the past, they most not know about or care about history

>>95137570
History now is getting into we wuz kungs tier almost, its shit all around

>>95138400
...??? Where? The USA is quickly imploding and all other western countries are a blend of capitalism and socialism.

>>95139533
The USA is far from imploding, and even then most of the problems in the US are due to moving away from capitalism. Other western countries aren't any more of a blend of capitalism and socialism than the US, quite a few rate higher in economic freedom than the US, though I disagree with the presupposition that they are better off when compared to the US.

>>95139533
>all other western countries are a blend of capitalism and socialism

Nearly all countries including the US are a mixture of capitalism and socialism called "mixed economies." In fact many countires using the so called "Nordic model" have much higher economic freedom than the US. They just also have a safety net that is really designed to support their free market systems. Safety nets aren't really socialist.

>>95137702
>Liberalism ended slavery and gave womens rights
>implying there are good things

>>95137778
This is the stupidest post I've seen yet.

>>95137778
>cal arts make them practice that shitty style

ur dum

>>95139578
>The USA is far from imploding,

Lol.

>even then most of the problems in the US are due to moving away from capitalism.

LOL!

Kill yourself Trumptard.

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>>95137212
One cartoon with a certain style got popular and caused a bunch shows that came out thereafter to copy it. It happened with Fleischer, it happened with Ren & Stimpy, it happened with Oddparents, it happens with anime all the time and it'll happen again soon enough (even I'm starting to see traces of the next possible trend.)

>>95130245
It's more complex than that. Liberals love those with college degrees but they also love those without high school degrees.

So many mad CalArts here. Enjoy your debt and sadness.

>>95125457
sauce you nerd

>>95130245
He's retarded.
A true conservative party doesn't exist in the US, both parties are progressive in terms of how they create legislation and seek to shape policy.
Both of them are fond of the going to College is the key to life bullshit, in fact a lot of people would probably say that "conservatives" have a bigger hard on for it.

The real trouble is that they don't know how to regulate education, and so the cost has shot up since a lot of state schools double as research institutions and waste a ton of money that should be used on education for nonsense research and useless amenities on campus to draw more students.

>>95139578
Most of our economic problems stem from inefficient regulations, not necessarily the creation or lack of it. We've created too many layers of useless bureaucrats to handle taxation, labor policy, and especially public education costs.

>>95139836
>That picture
Good riddance, 90s anime style was pure garbage.

>>95138190
Holy shit this is the best thing I've seen all week.

>>95141019
I said "style"

>>95140943
It's not like current anime style is much better in general.

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>>95125283

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>>95141216

>>95138190
I'd rather be a left testicle than a dickhead any day.

>>95141216
>No beanmouth
Dropped

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>>95141542
Too many corners. Too sharp. Everything has to be rounded.

>>95138190
This metaphor doesn't work because dicks get shit done.

>>95125283
I wanna fuck that fox thing

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>>95141573
NICK DOES WHAT NINTENDON'T

>>95139698
>>95139727
ad hominem

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hey, /co/. calarts kid here just stopping by.

calarts meme is bullshit. the school is fucking garbage for other reasons that aren't worth discussing on this board.
but nobody is forcing us to draw like this. they expect you to know how to draw when you get in. nobody is teaching us to draw like this. On the other hand, one of the figure drawing teachers here neglects draftsmanship in favor of loose observational garbage with zero structure in your second year, which is a fucking shame. there is a sense of wanting to conform to a certain standard to please teachers because of the competitive nature of the school, but that happens in any competitive environment.
But honestly if anything there was a point where the whole "bean" head thing was criticized heavily here. I think when Minkyuu Lee was teaching 2d animation here he referred to it as "butt eyes" or something along those lines and how much he hates it.
Hell, Joe Pitt used to fucking teach here and he's basically solidified the whole "bean head" thing thanks to gravity falls, so blame him, i guess.
Calarts has always been blamed for certain art style trends (ie, john k calling anything remotely disney "calarts"), when its cherry picking from a small pocket of students.
none of us fucking like this ugly bubbly bullshit. There's one person that draws like this, and none of us even like her, to be honest.
i don't know why i'm bothering with /co/, but i thought it would be useful to give a first hand perspective on this retarded meme

>>95133211
>>95137399
You know what I'm going back on this. I'll admit that plenty of side characters and a few main ones look like they could be from the same cartoon if placed side-by-side. It is NOTHING like the beanface and related calarts memes - that's more like the western version of anime sameface than anything else.

>>95143704
Informative, doubt it'll change any minds but maybe the hate can concentrate where it's specifically deserved or something
(inb4 samefag)

>>95143704
Thank you for sharing that. I'm learning not to try and reduce complicated problems to a single thing that I focus my hate on, and this made me realize I was doing the same thing in my hobbies.

You helped at least me, though for sharing that I'm sure the Russian shitposters will call me a faggot and call you a liar.

The style is fucking ugly and born out of an inbred system of incompetence and cost cutting measures.

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>>95125283
>Defend CalArts

Easy

Picture related is CalArts

now you obviously have to kill yourself

>>95129359
why dont they just blame the Jews like every other board?

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>>95126264
>Harriers
Get with the times, grandpa

>>95126364
>Absolutely NOTHING of the CalArts meme makes sense.

Probably because Johnny K. started it in the 90s to discredit all of his competitors at Disney and CN at the time

>>95144312
That is a very generous definition of "competitor."

>>95125283
i can't....i just can't

>>95144357
>he actually thinks Ren & Stimpy was better than DarkWing Duck

>>95144394
Who, John?

>>95125283
Is this where that glomp reaction pic comes from?

>>95143704
Drafting everything out looks like shit though... You're in animation school, wouldn't you want your figures to contain a little bit more life in them?

>>95125524
Hacks don't get wildly successful cartoons that last several seasons.

>>95125283
Is that cute fox character from anything? Are there any characters that look similar to it?

>>95125301
/thread

>>95125283
It killed the 3D cartoon craze of the early 2010s.

/thread

>>95144196
i don't expect to change everyone's minds. i mean, it's /co/ for fucks sake. But i hope people realize that we're not the cause of this or advocate it.

>>95145759
that's debatable, but being a decent draftsman helps you significantly . i guess what i meant was mostly being able to draw "solid drawings", if that makes sense. Gotta know the rules before you break them.

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> defend cal arts
I dont have enough power.

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>>95137962
What the fuck does this image mean? Centrism is not really the center?

>>95125283
Porn of her when?

>>95130697
Yeah I'd say it's a bit of both. It's cheaper+easier to animate and they already know that the style appeals to audiences so why try something new?

>>95127453
Unfortunately true. /co/ is a fucking embarrassment.

>>95143241
ad this dick in your mouth faggot

>>95139533
Imploding? The whole "sky is falling" notion is just an illusion pushed by both political parties to persuade/scare you to vote for them. If you spent more time in the real world and less time consuming media, you would realize everything is fine.

>>95125301
1ST P B P

>>95137875
>slipping over
>on a website where they are both located
>pol

Plebbit, or just bait?

>>95137962
>that pic
Do you havisfaction a singlicious satisfact to snack that up?

>>95126364
Based. Thank you, Anon.

>>95126101
>>95126364
Actual /thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8i2fSffAfI

done.

>>95126264
Damn son. I'm getting major nostalgia remembering the "defend the pentagon" mission. Loved sending engineers and SEALs to the hospital in the north via nighthawk.

>>95138663

that comment sounds like some bot you'd see on twitter