Is Superman the least relatable superhero in comics?

>>95115205
No I think it would have to be that rich, monster hunter lady.

>>95115231
Is she OP to god like levels?
Then she's not Superman levels of unrelatable.

>>95115205
I find him quite relatable

>>95115249
powerlevel isn't the sole factor of relatability. In fact, I'd say it's the least important.

>>95115266
Are you a god?
Then I doubt you'd fine Superman relatable.

>>95115205

He's easily the most relateable depending on what your upbringing was like

He's probably the most relatable. I could list some reasons like him being an immigrant but I'm sleepy.

>>95115311
Explain to me how how blacks or Asians are supposed to relate the most whitebread character ever.

>>95115205
It depends.
Do you actually read comics?

>>95115205
He was raised on a farm in fucking Kansas. He has a middle-class job, a steady girlfriend, a mother and a dog. He's a normie who just happens to have godlike power.

>>95115367
Who reads Superman?
It'll just have Superman Mary Sue his way through the issue.

>>95115355
Blacks and Asians can be immigrants bro.

>>95115205
He's someone you look up to more than you relate to

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>>95115267

This.

>>95115292

I'm not a billionaire playboy master martial artist using super technology to fight clowns in the streets, but I can still find Batman's grief over losing his parents and him considering Alfred to be his father to be relateable.

>>95115424
>Europeans can't come to the US
You what?

>>95115355

Are you seriously racist enough to believe you can only relate to people of your own race?

>>95115424

>White people can't immigrate.

Oh okay, this is just a troll thread, goodbye.

>>95115425
>a godlike being who wastes his talent on fighting bald guys and green guys in polo shirts
>someone to look up to
It's times like these I'm glad I'm a Batfag.

>>95115267
This
>>95115249
So? Almost all comic superheros are godlike compared to a normie like me.

>>95115433
>European
But he's kryptonian

This is a bait thread shame because it had potential
>>95115451
If your a pedo.

>>95115451

>A literal psychotic with parental issues raises child soldiers in order to fight other lunatics in the slums of his city, which remains perpetually shitty no matter how much of his billions upon billions of dollars he invests in it.

>>95115475
Racial coding is a thing.
Look at Steven Universe.

>>95115475
You seemed confused that white immigrants was a thing.

>>95115355
I'm sure everyone can relate to feeling like a weirdo or outsider

>>95115355

>Relating to someone based on race
>Blacks and Asians can't relate to being immigrants or having old fashioned parents that give them good morals and values
>Superman is "whitebread" because you haven't read anything with him in it

>Actually giving a fuck at the end of the day if a character is "relateable" and not just enjoying their stories

I guess nobody can relate to being ilver or soaring through space on a surfboard so that guy must not be a great character

This is a shitty bait thread anyway like half of the threads about Superman on this board

"Hurr explain to me why he's a good character"

>>95115475

So he's not white.

>>95115416
>>95115424

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This thread really makes me think. Did Krypton have any black people? And if not then why not?

>>95115447
OP didn't give it away?
>>95115355
Maybe if you weren't racist you would understand.

>>95115401
That's my /co/

>>95115355
He's a simple guy with simple Jeudo-Christian values trying to do the right thing. Any spic who grew up in a traditional Catholic home knows that feel. Anyone who's ever moved to the city after living in the country can know that feel. Anybody who's ever played the part of the big strong brave man yet failed to live up to that role at work or in your personal life knows that feel.

Superman's whiteness is arguably one of the LEAST important parts of his character.

>>95115325
Honestly I don't see Superman as an immigrant. Martian Manhunter is an immigrant, almost transparently so, but Superman was born and raised in the USA. He's as much an immigrant as a second or third generation Irishman in Boston, or an adopted Chinese girl.

>>95115524
>>95115500

>>95115543

They had plenty. There's been black Kryptonians before.

>/co/ - Anything but comics

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>>95115560

You could argue that Clark would count as a Dreamer.

>>95115588
This is why we should split the boards.
Filter out all the cartoonfags and moviefags.

>>95115205
He's the most relatable.

He's just a good guy that was raised by good parents that wants to help people. He doesn't have a tragic backstory that made him who he is, he's not a tormented soul. He's just a good guy that happens to have been born on another world (which he doesn't remember) and happens to have amazing powers.

>>95115205
he's the least relatable if you're a dweeb and not a big brolic dude who can fly and shoots lasers out of his eyes like normal people

>>95115556
>Ultraman
>Gamora
Clark was a fellow soldier all along.

Anyone got that Superman with the jumper bit from Grounded?

>>95115617
>Gamora
Wrong comic company.

>>95115612
>He's just a good guy that was raised by good parents that wants to help people.
So he's not relatable to anyone on 4chan

>>95115662
He sounds like he uses Tumblr.

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Is Goku really more relatable than Superman? I keep hearing this but it never made sense to me.

Goku put everyone and everything at risk so he can get that fighting high he's always chasing. He's a combat junkie with poor judgement skills.

>>95115635
grounded fucking sucked

>>95115556
>>95115575
The one good part of Superman Earth One.

Also as someone whos elderly dog passed not too long ago this hits home.

>>95115205

I guess if you can't make simple connections to deduce things you wouldn't be able to relate to someone who does that for a living as a reporter

>>95115675
I think you are lying, I don't think anyone makes that claim.

>>95115205
>immigrant with a 9 to 5 job and a family
gee I wonder
>>95115675
anyone who says this retarded. even Goku as a kid was a literal monkey child from the mountains who wanted to fight people

>>95115675
>an impulsive hothead with poor judgement skills
I'm sure plenty of people relate to him.

>>95115355
>Struggle between your two cultural heritages with starkly different values and ultimately find a middle ground that allows you to live a fulfilling life while honoring both your backgrounds.
>>95115205
>Trying to make your way in a world beset by moral decay where every ethical choice is questioned or besieged by the opposing viewpoint.
>Have certain gifts you would like to share with the world but often times they are met with envy, disdain, or taken advantage of.
>You want to do good but you have to realize at some point you can't please everyone.
Superman is wish fulfillment but not "muh I deserve to be a god". He's does what we all wish we could do, stick to our values and live a virtuous life that inspires others do the same. We desire to be like superman not for the glory of it but to do say we did our best to help create a world where truth, justice, and empathy for our fellow man is not the dream but the reality.
What makes Superman the greatest hero is that it's his humanity not his powers, that make him super and because of this we can all do the same.

>>95115662
>>95115673
>implying tumblr isn't the place where all the EDGY people that are actually unique special snowflakes that've had such a rough life hangout.
Your new is showing.

>>95115740
>What makes Superman the greatest hero is that it's his humanity not his powers, that make him super and because of this we can all do the same.
Nobody ever thinks that.

>>95115740
Tumblr would disagree with you.
Harshly.

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>>95115832
>Nobody ever thinks that.
read the comics sometime fag

>>95115832
That's because they get bogged down on the scope of his powers. The way I choose to read it the grandiose nature of his power, the fact he can tank a nuke, survive a blow from Darkseid, hold a building in one hand and save a little girl's ice cream cone from spilling with the other, is symbolic of the infallibility of his charterer. Superman doesn't buckle at the literal weight of the world because his will to do good doesn't fold under the weight of the world that all of us carry and most fail to hold themselves against.

Just don't reply to it. Report and move on to a salvageable thread.

>>95115910

There are more black people than whites who like Superman. White people have all the nerds who cry on the internet about things being "relateable"

>The late Dwayne McDuffie had to create Icon because black people couldn't relate to Superman

Source or bullshit

Because Icon is conservative as fuck and that's something that actually isn't relateable to a good deal of that target audience

>Oreo

So this really is a bait thread then, alright

>>95116046
>black person
>conservative as fuck
>not an Oreo

>>95115205
Batman is actually. What exactly is so relatable about him? Hell Dr. Manhattan as well.

>>95116097
Batman doesn't have powers and has to use his natural abilities.
He's not OP.

>>95116196
Yeah, I forgot that everyone can dodge bullets and break through solid brick walls

>>95116196
That still doesn't make himrelatable. Get out of here with your YouTube level of debating.

>>95116229
It's possible with enough training.
Nobody can see through walls or fly.

>>95116196
You are missing the point if you think having or not having powers make someone relatable.

>>95115355
Nice bait

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>>95116196
>not op

>>95116196
Unfortunately you are the comic book "fan" that the movies are trying to appeal to.
You care about seeing the cool epic things that are deeply tied into the roots of comics but you still shamelessly self insert.
However you have enough self-awareness that when Superman punches an alien monster into orbit your fantasy is broken. So you bemoan it and whine about a charterer being shallow and miss the message about striving to be better than you are. So to placate you and separate you from your money they make more Batman movies so when you see a man do Olympic level feats and solve problems with his genius intellect you can say to yourself "That could be me if I ever decided to make an effort" and you get to indulge endlessly in your fantasy without having to grow.

>>95116285
No it isn't. Nobody will ever have good enough reflexes to dodge a sniper round shot at the back of their head

>>95116471
Has there ever been a more blatant self insert character than Batman?

>>95116589
I would argue that the concept of power rings lend themselves to self inserting. However everything about Batman's background is "wow /imagine if I had that". It's a shame really because he has some great themes that are overshadowed by writers appealing to the lowest common denominator.

>>95116589

Billy Batson?

>>95116090
I bet you unironically call successful black men Uncle Toms.

>>95115231

Which one is that one?

>>95115205
Only if you're an asshole who doesn't understand the idea of just helping others.

>>95115427
>Batman spends half his time in the shadows and Clark still can throw shade on him
I like this.

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>>95118218
I think he means Elsa Bloodstone.

>>95115205
>Is Superman the least relatable superhero in comics?
Black Panther is an African King/scientist/billionaire warrior.

He's not even relatable to African American scientist billionaires.

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>>95115832
>Nobody ever thinks that.
We have threads about it all the time.

>>95116039
>hold a building in one hand and save a little girl's ice cream cone from spilling with the other
And odds are he'll have waited to make sure the ice cream was okay before finishing up with the building. Superman is often more about the little things than the big ones.

>>95115355
Because he's an illegal alien.

MANDA-FUCKING-TORY

>In the end, I saw Superman not as a superhero or even a science fiction character, but as a story of Everyman. We’re all Superman in our own adventures. We have our own Fortresses of Solitude we retreat to, with our own special collections of valued stuff, our own super–pets, our own “Bottle Cities” that we feel guilty for neglecting. We have our own peers and rivals and bizarre emotional or moral tangles to deal with.

>I felt I’d really grasped the concept when I saw him as Everyman, or rather as the dreamself of Everyman. That “S” is the radiant emblem of divinity we reveal when we rip off our stuffy shirts, our social masks, our neuroses, our constructed selves, and become who we truly are.

>Batman is obviously much cooler, but that’s because he’s a very energetic and adolescent fantasy character: a handsome billionaire playboy in black leather with a butler at this beck and call, better cars and gadgetry than James Bond, a horde of fetish femme fatales baying around his heels and no boss. That guy’s Superman day and night.

>Superman grew up baling hay on a farm. He goes to work, for a boss, in an office. He pines after a hard–working gal. Only when he tears off his shirt does that heroic, ideal inner self come to life. That’s actually a much more adult fantasy than the one Batman’s peddling but it also makes Superman a little harder to sell. He’s much more of a working class superhero, which is why we ended the whole book with the image of a laboring Superman.

>He’s Everyman operating on a sci–fi Paul Bunyan scale. His worries and emotional problems are the same as ours… except that when he falls out with his girlfriend, the world trembles.

>>95118689
That's the thing, Superman never sets out to save the world, he'd much rather it never need saving in the first place. He loses his powers pretty often, but what never changes is he's a guy trying to do everything he can to help.
He can just do a lot more than most people.

>>95118744
He'd be a dreamer, so he would be a legal alien.

Also, the Kents could have put him through the adoption process in which case he'd be instantly legalized.

>>95118825
A perfect world doesn't need Superman, after all.

>>95118874
>Also, the Kents could have put him through the adoption process in which case he'd be instantly legalized.
You actually need to adopt children from other people, or the state. You can't just pick up aliens from space. We actually have laws about that, extraterrestrials have to be turned over to the government.

We also have laws against mind control devices. We have a lot of laws based on fear and "what if"

>>95115249
Superman's at least justified, fucker's a solar-powered alien.

Batman's a human being but he's capable of shit no other human being is, to the point the DC Universe's U.S. government marks him as a metahuman. He's even more unrelatable.

>>95118601
Nobody can roast you like your best friend can.

>>95118928
Legally, hes a foundling, which makes him a full citizen of the US.

>>95118611

Ah okay.

>>95115556
>>95115575

Beautiful. Anyone got the Krypto origin, where (s)he's stuck in the Phantom Zone for most of Clark's life?

>>95115495
It remains shitty because he doesn't kill the fuck out of every scumbag and dump their corpses in a pile somewhere as a warning to other dirtbags

with the bat plot armor, he could easily do it

Why would I want my superheroes to be "relatable?" My imagination isn't so limited that I can only handle small, realistic fantasies. I want my heroes as godlike as possible.

>>95115575
>I'll probably have a lot of explaining to do about it one day
Can you fucking imagine some moon mission finding a goddamn dead cat skeleton buried underneath a Christian cross
And just trying to figure out what the fuck is happening

>>95115387
Do you consider bible belt farmers 'normal'?

>>95117623
The most successful black men in America profit off of racism.
Fuck them.

>>95119061
That's basically just Punisher with a bat motif.

>>95118548
And look where that attitude got us.

>>95119539
The creation of charities? Social programs? Public roads, maintained for everyone to use? Disaster relief efforts? MSF? The Mully's Children Fund? I could go on.

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Superman is relatable because when all is said and done he's just a good person trying his best with the abilities he's been blessed with

He's not Jesus, he's just that decent stranger you meet every so often.

>>95119487
Yes, and?

>>95120004
That completely defeats the point of his character.

>>95118874
>Also, the Kents could have put him through the adoption process in which case he'd be instantly legalized.
Didn't they just not go into town all winter then say he was their biological kid?

>>95115205
only people who insist that its impossible to possess power and not be corrupted by it find superman unrelatable

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>>95115205
I think he is relatable as bug bunny. There is some times, I raise a brow with his attitude.

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>>95115832
You clearly don't know superman

>>95120069
don't you need to do a DNA test to get a birth certificate if a doctor wasn't present for the birth?
although I suppose for a rural place like smallville whoever runs the public records office would be less inclined to give a shit since they'd know the kents (and everyone else) personally

>>95119790
>He's not Jesus
Yea when he comes back from the dead he immediately gets back to work saving people not showing off scars to prove he can resurrect then just descending into heaven with his daddy.

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>>95115231
>>95118611
Come on, who doesn't have overbearing parents?

>>95115675
Who doesn't love adventuring? Dragon Ball was the prototypical shounen of its time.

>>95115612
>no tragic backstory
Orphan, alien=immigrant as people in this thread say.

>>95115249
I empathize with Orion and Beta Ray Bill more than I do Supes. That said Supes in events and tie-ins is always treated as more messianic.

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>>95115205

>>95120640
Morrison was a hack, please don't post this. It's not helping.

>>95115427

If Batman got hit 28 times a night he'd be dead.

He rarely gets hit except for his fight villains. Croc, bane, etc.

>>95116589
A self-insert char would get laid a ton - or have a happy wife life.

>>95120562
>Orphan
Which he didn't even know about until he was older and even then it didn't really matter becasue he had two loving parents anyway.
>alien=immigrant
So what? Again, he generally doesn't learn this stuff until he's old enough to handle it. It's only in trash like the DCEU that he breaks down and has a woe-is-me childhood. In good Supes backstories he had a great life being raised by two loving parents like any other kid. His being born on another planet and never knowing his birth parents is literally irrelevant to his character.

>>95115387
>a steady girlfriend

They are married and have a kid now. Other than that this is spot on.

>>95120666
There's a lot of reasons Batman should be dead.

>>95115617
>Gamora

You mean Gamera anon.

>>95115832
>Nobody thinks like that

We have Superman threads every Sunday and his humanity is brought up often.

>>95115205
He is the most relateable. Clark is a simple farm boy. I relate to that more than all these rich billionaire playboys

>>95115387
He has the choice to change all that and become a literal God or could even just become filthy rich through merchandizing or doing loads of shit on TV or even just pretending to be normal and becoming a boxer or some sort of MMA fighter and winning all his fights or even just robbing people. He has the opportunity to change his life in such drastic ways and chooses not to and that's something no real life average person would do. I love Clark but he's far from relatable and no, I don't find Batman relatable either before some faggot says it.

>>95115205
Superman is hard to relate to if you're a shitty person.

Superman isn't about his power, his flying, lasers or whatever, he's about trying as hard as you can despite everything in the world to be the best possible person you can be. To do your very best and stand up for what you believe in, and do the right thing.

>>95120036
his character is a vigilante with a damaged mental state, lots of cash, and a fetish for bats and little boys in tights

>>95115205
Superman is most relatable to chads since unless the writer mary sues it, Supes only wins exchanges because of brawn or power. Not really intelligence. So yes, since interest in comics requires an at least slightly nerdy leaning to begin with.

>>95115205

It depends on how much of an edgy little sociopath you are, OP.

>>95121933
>superman winning with brute power is boring
>anything other than brute power is a writer "Mary sue ing him" and doesn't count
>the stories I decide don't count don't count
>I choose to count only stories I don't like
What did he mean by this?

>>95119061
He only has the bat plot armor BECAUSE he doesn't kill all the scumbags.

>>95119430
It won't be a skeleton since the won't be any bacterial growth to slowly decay the body due to the lack of oxygen on the moon. What they would find is a buried frozen cat.

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>>95115387
>just happens to have godlike power.
>god.

this is the only actual god i know about in dc

>>95121773

This is so retarded it hurts. You can apply this to any super powered hero

>>95120666

Spastic cunt. Superman fights planet crackers not low level scrubs like Batman does

>>95115205
You aren't supposed to relate to him and his powers, you're supposed to relate to his core values

>>95115675

Not really. Goku has absolutely no problems in life except being strong enough to fight the newest villain which is something he enjoys doing more than anything else

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>>95115205
Do yourself a favour and read Secret Identity. The recent storytime is probably still in the archive.

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Since when did "relatability" ever matter? Why is this made up criteria such a concern? Surely the whole purpose of cape comics is that they AREN'T relatable and are fantastical and unachievable? I've been reading comics for over 25 years and never once thought "I like the starjammers but I wish they were a bit more grounded and used public transport like I do rather than spaceships"

>>95115205
Yes sadly because everyone is a pessimist now.

>>95120692
but do you get laid or have a happy wife life?

Totally not relatable and that comic must be purge.

>>95115953
I love it when Superman loses his powers and just fucking goes at it anyway. He's smart, capable and willing to do the right thing no matter the cost.

>>95122619
That's not true because there are a lot of good people. You just don't know about them because they don't waste their time trolling on the internet.

>>95119061
One of the universes in Countdown to Final Crisis was set in a world where after Jason Todd was killed Batman went into exile for a year and then came back and killed literally every bad guy on the planet one at a time without any of the JLA working out it was him.

The guys travelling between worlds didn't realise it at first, they just thought they'd fond some kind of a paradise world without villains before they worked it out. The only price paid for such living was that Batman had basically lost his soul in the process.

>>95122545
It's hand in hand with this new "Self insertion requirement" that's making its way through media lately. All of a sudden there's apparently a new rule that characters have to be closer to the readers or it'll make said readers upset.

Look, i'm not going to lie, it really seems like it's part of the whole strategy to bring in more girl readers since self insertion is much more of a girl reader thing than for guy readers.

>>95115355
I'm Asian and I find him relatable

>>95115205
>>Superman is the shittest superhero ever. Just a fucking Mary Sue of the highest order so that there is never any drama or suspense.

are you the same faggot the copypastas this BS in every thread?

>>95115560
>He's as much an immigrant as a second or third generation Irishman in Boston, or an adopted Chinese girl.
To be fair, an adopted Chinese girl will always be a chink. Only whiteys can be real Americans. Superman is the poster boy of Jewish assimilation after all.

>>95115675
he's a literal man-child who's obsessed with fighting.

Superman's problems are just our problems scaled to his power level.

>>95115205
>Being a kid means idolising superman because he has cool powers
>Being a teenager means idolising batman because he dressed in black and acts like a vigilante
>Being an adult means idolised superman
again because you realise he has the best intentions
you know this to be true.

>>95119487
so Jason?

>>95125154
Superman is a character intended for kids.

>>95115292
You don't decide what people find relatable. I find Superman to be quite relatable as well.

Tell us, anon. Which character do you find relatable?

>>95115355
The same way angsty white kids in the suburbs relate to black gangster rappers from the hood. Emotions, tones, universal themes of adversity, overcoming obstacles. When you're an angsty teenager DMX makes as much sense as Screamcore in a raw emotional sense.

Race is a fairly singular trait that gets overly obsessed upon in the world at large but seemingly worse than ever in creative endeavors.

>>95120736
I always see it this way:
Clark had a happy life and upbringing and most of the time started to save people before he found out that he was an alien.
When he found out, it was a shock, especially since a whole planet was wiped out with no one in the universe either knowing about it, or caring about it, or being able to do about it. A harsh lesson about what life can be worth, if people don't help each other.

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>>95120895
He mentioned Ultraman, so I think he meant Gomora