So why in the hell was he taken? They can't say it is because

Oz is a jasonfag

>>95090696
I hope to fuck they give him a new mantle/costume because Red Robin is a garbage name and gives him no role outside of back up sidekick

>>95090696
Greatest detective push. But urs obv future Tim s replacing Tim and become a batman later. Loop.

>>95090696
I honestly fear that now, with Jason "cured", he is going to become the next bad robin, like he will somehow become the next Owlman (since the fascist batman thing in Batwoman) or something like that, even if nothing has happened to make him turn heel (yet)

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>>95090763
Well, looks like they are going to meet

>>95090696
tim is a better detective than batman he would have put it together about manhattan.

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>>95090696
Does any fan actually care about Tim? Like there's thread after thread of Dick, Jason and Damien love and hate, but besides the occasional mention or trolling, Tim is nonexistent.

>>95090923
both of them stay on cbr

>>95090923
/co/ hates Tim so I think a lot of the Timfags fucked off
He has some fans on other websites though, CBR and Reddit from what I've seen

>>95090726
This honestly, he never graduated from being a robin

>>95090923
He was my favorite Robin before I found out about modern Jason

>>95090923
God Arkham Tim was an ugly fuck.

>>95090773
>Owlman

The correspondent of the current earth should be Talon (if we are to belive the pattern in which the old robin takes a no longer used name of an old hero/villian such as Nightwing and Red Hood)

>>95091029
Have you anons got any ideas on what Tim's new mantle should be?

>>95091267
Duck Detective!

>>95091267
Red-X mainly because I've wanted that name in the DCU proper since I was a kid.

>>95091286
Well, it's got the bird theme down

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>>95091267
Dr Midnite III

He was taken because he is too smart. Smarter than everyone and would have figured it all out or something dumb like that.

>>95090696
>tfw too intelligent too be in the DCU

>>95091491
lex is the smartest person in dcu though and bruce is 2, but bruce is too busy dealing with metal

If Manhattan's goal was to stop Batman being batman (keeping Flashpoint-verse alive long enough for him to see his father/want to marry Selina) Zor-els goal was to keep the heroes motivated. Tim is best boy so Batman would have to solve the mystery?

>>95091763
Now zor els goal is to stop them as well. He separated his son so he wouldn't go after Manhattan and he kidnapped tim so he wouldn't figure out the time fuckery

>>95090923
I'm a huge Timfag, but he's been awful since the nu52, so there really hasn't been anything worthwhile to discuss for the past 6 years. Most people on /co/ only startes reading comics after the nu52, so everytime Tim is mentioned, the general response is REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Even if the thread haf absolutely nothing to do with comparing Robins. So there's just no point in the discussion.

>>95091479
I actually really liked that costume once he refined it. I miss it.

>>95091936
Me too, anon. I just want his costume to have a cowl again.

>>95090696
Didnt his future self that was in the BEyond timeline get abducted as well? Do we know if it's related to this Tim's abduction?

>>95090696
It's pre-n52 Conner and he just wants to have his bud near by

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>>95091267
The Gray Ghost.

Because it's nice and Detective-ey, and it's a pretty unused bit of Bat-Mythos that would be well served by giving it to Tim. Remember that Dick stole Nightwing from the Superman mythos.

>>95091479
He'd be the FOURTH Doctor Midnite, and he isn't a Doctor. Let Pieter have it.

>>95094540
I like The Gray Ghost, it sounds cool and gives Tim his own god damn color rather than having to share red with Jason

>>95094540
This!

>>95090696
Smart enough to warrant taking, but not popular enough to be missed by anyone

>>95090696

I gotta be honest I don't actually miss Tim. Everyone seems fine without him. Hell the family got better and has spent more time without him than when he was hear. Jason and Damian have a fun relationship. Dick and Damian are great. Jason and Dick are trying. Tim is so fucking irrelevant

>>95090923
There were, but it's few and far between right now. He's been fucking garbage after Flashpoint and pretty much gutted as a character. You'd have to go pretty far back to read anything with him in it that's even remotely worthwhile, and since most people here aren't exactly long time readers, most of their exposure to him has been pretty bad, especially when compared to Dick, Jason and Damian.

It also doesn't help that a lot of people are cartoonfags/secondaries, and everything that Tim did have going for him they pretty much gave to Dick in the cartoons, again leaving Tim as a non-character/placeholder.

He went from a solid B/B+ seller on his own back in the 90s-00s to essentially a non-entity. It's actually pretty impressive how far he's fallen as a character.

>>95094838
It's better because the writers have gone out of their way to poach details and invent reasons for the characters to hang out. They could have done that at any time without needing an excuse.

>>95094838

This. Everything seems great without hi, so why should we care?

>>95094952

Was Tim's death not the excuse?

>>95094540
Actually not a bad idea

>>95091602
Tim is (supposed to be) smarter than Bruce, but I have no idea if that's still the case with Nu52 onward.

>>95094838
This is the hardest part as a Tim fan. We're told he's important and so are his bonds, but nothing gets shown. He doesnt have bonds except with Steph, Bruce and Jason, and I guess Harper. Bruce mourned and Steph became a moron, but Jason is too busy fawning over Mary Sue Grayson to care. Dick only gives a shit about Damian.

Nobody seems to care about Tim because lazy writers cant be bothered.

>>95094946
He still crushes the other secondary characters in solo longevity. It makes DC's treatment of him all the more baffling, like they have some kind of pride preventing them walking back their fuck-ups in a few specific areas.
>>95094980
The point is those are things the characters should be doing anyway. An excuse isn't needed for family members to hang out.

>>95095048
It really doesn't help that the rest of Young Justice got equally flushed by the New52.

>>95095048
Dick and Tim used to have a really strong relationship, but now it's like they barely know each other. He was also Bruce's partner for a good long while, but in Nu52 he wasn't ever even a Robin. He really is irrelevant as fuck and has been for years, when he used to be a Batfamily mainstay for decades.

>>95095076
That's what I mean when I say it's impressive how far he's fallen. He was the first Robin to have a solo, both with a series of minis and an ongoing, and his ongoing sold well for nearly 200 issues. He's been a headliner for a long ass time and his sales numbers were better than Dick's ever were, but now it's like they're going out of their way to make him the least worthwhile Robin.

It really does feel like the entire YJ generation has been dicked over. I think it's just more noticeable with Tim because he used to be such a popular, well selling character on his own.

>>95095048
> Mary Sue Grayson

So Timfans have finally turned their hatred on Dick?

>>95090713

No surprise. Jason is currently the better character.

>>95095259
It was only a matter of time
Once Dick replaced Tim with Damian they had no reason to like him

>>95090696
Probably because Tynion wanted him out of TEC and to set up some shit with Steph.

>>95095259

They hate all other robins at this point.

>>95095442
I don't think he actually wanted him out, I think he just wanted to write the return of Tim arc so bad that he needed a reason for it to happen. He's said many times that Tim is one of his favorite characters.

>>95096543
But TEC is so much better without Steph and Tim in it.

I hope that when they explain it they bring up what a fucking mess New 52 made of his backstory.

>>95096564
That's true but he wouldn't be the first writer to be shitty at writing characters they love. See also: Simone and Babs.

>>95090696
Tim was a mistake. Hopefully he gets erased from the canon altogether.

>>95096585
Nice meme, Simone wrote Batgirl well enough.

>inb4 the fucking tranny

>>95090696
Buzzcut Tim looks disgusting. Give me a Tim drawn by Marcus To.

>>95096675
Just because she wrote a better one than Burnside doesn't mean it was actually good. It was the worst Batgirl had been in years.

>>95096709
That wasn't my argument. Everything is better than Burnside. I just think people get too far up their own ass talking about how bad Simone's run was, when it wasn't bad at all. Shit, her arc in Death of the Family was the sole redeeming material in that event. It wasn't Simone's fault that n52 had a fetish for crossover issues every other week, which kept writers from telling coherent stories.

Anytime I scratch the surface of this argument, the root is always that people either prefer Cass as Batgirl, or prefer Babs as Oracle (which Simone also wrote well). I'm not saying the shit was Eisner material, but it's not bad at all.

>>95096986
It was more than just that. The narration was obnoxious. The only reason it isn't memed on more than people already do is because people dropped it like a rock and in general don't care as much about whatever's going on in that book as much as they do the main Batman title. For as much as people shit on Snyder's wikipedia-dump narration, Simone's Batgirl was even more obnoxious about over-explaining things in the ol' thought squares. Also I think it's extremely telling that your only defense of the book is just "oh come on, it's not THAT bad" or "just because it's not as good as [insert mediocre books here] doesn't mean it's bad." Even if we were to accept that extremely flimsy premise, being a middle-of-the-road book when Simone's capable of legitimately quality material is damning enough for me.

>>95097081
Who cares if it's damning for you?

>>95090696
>So why in the hell was he taken?
Buttsex

>>95090923
Tim is the best Robin and what they've done with him the past 10 years is the reason I've stopped reading the DC comics

Are Timfags the only Robinfags that hate all other Robins? Like Dickfags and Hoodfags still like the other Robins just less. Even Damifag likes Dick well enough.

>>95097408
The other characters aren't being actively sabotaged for no clear reason, so why would they be mad?

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>>95091267
Femto

>>95090923
I'm a hardcore Timfag that also loves Jason
just hate Dick, Damian and Duke
just think my favorite Robin has been written horribly since Johns got his grubby hands on him

>>95091917
he's been awful since Johns' Teen Titans ruined everything Dixon and PAD did

>>95090696
2 many robins!

>>95097408
I like Tim and Jason both, and I'm okay with Damian sometimes. I've never liked Dick, and that has nothing to do with liking Tim. I've disliked Dick since before Tim even existed.

Also, >>95097573. Fans of Dick, Jason and Damian all have something going for them, both during Nu52 and Rebirth. I can see some things being less than ideal for some, but overall it's not bad being a fan of any of those three. With Tim, it feels like they're actively trying to write him out of the Bat-family on top of sabotaging him as a character, for no discernable reason. The bitterness is understandable, and the fact that shitting on Tim just because he's Tim has been a meme on /co/ for years now isn't going to help.

>>95097923
I think you can say this about all of the YJ kids. Johns' TT was trash.

>>95098261
Johns is trash

>>95090696
I'm out of the scene right now but someone please tell me what comic is everyone talking about here. Seems interestin.

>>95090923
I'm a big YJ fag but it's become harder and harder to care about him with his backstory fucked, his place in the Batfamily in limbo since Damian and Duke came along and since Dick and Jason have been pushed so much lately, all his friends dead or AWOL or also dropped like hot potatoes and him being missing for the past few months. DC's shat all over him and it's no surprise that no one cares about him anymore.

Hopefully we'll get a YJ revival with him being older and more bitter and jaded and gay with Kon

>>95091267
The Owl (name that is part of the Batman mythos but still in use by the court) or Talon (no longer used thanks to Raptor)
I too think that Tim is going to turn bad even in the main timeline like already said in this thread

>>95094540
I think you anon found the perfect name, and it would give to Tim his own recognition color

Bruce -Black
Dick - Blue
Jason - Red
Damian - Green
Babs - Purple

>>95097408
Tim fans like Jason. Only his reddit fans seem to have a mad hatred towards him for some reason.

>>95095048
>Dick only gives a shit about Damian
Didn't he tell Jason that if he needs a big help, he is ready to bring the whole titans to help?

>>95099360
the Titans are literately useless though, if anything they'd make more obstacles

>>95095442
>>95096543

I think you are both right

>>95099360
Yes, he also was willing to wear the dumb costume Jason prepared for him. This alone prove that he cares a lot.

>>95099376
Useless or not (which I definitely agree that they are) the point is that Dick told Jason that not only he is willing to help, he also ready to bring his whole team if Jason needs it.

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>>95099099
The color thing is actually canon, Batman uses it to discern the traits of his sidekicks

>>95099376
I think Damian's leadership is better desu
And i like Dick more

>>95096564
>TEC is so much better without Steph
I agree with this. She is really annoying.

Tim is fine, the thing that is better without is the "muh tim" because no matter how hard Tynion try, I still not convinced that Batman is sad about him.

>>95099615
They both equally sucks at being leader.

>>95099603
Snyder is really the worst thing to happen to Batman. When he will freak off already?

>>95099635
Soon. Once Dolye leaves Batman, he will not have much of influence on the Batman books anymore.

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>>95099646
I think Tim would fit in that costume

>spoiler

Well, the superman mythos basically said that a "Batman" and a "Superman" already existed in Krypton

>>95099615
Damian is slowly destroying TT. He is actually worse.

>>95099646
>>95099664

Sorry, meant to answer this >>95094540

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>>95099603
>>95099635

Who was the villian btw? I stopped reading at the second or third issue, is it worthy to catch up?

>>95099603
The fuck is wrong with that art?

>>95099664
Not bad. His current costume is seriously embarrassing and they needs a new color for him since red will always be more of Jason's color.

>>95090923

I think it's because Tim really does have so little staying power. He doesn't really have an "Edge" of his own like the rest do.

Dick is the original and the one portrayed in most non-comics media as the definitive Robin.
Jason is one of Bruce's biggest failures, the Robin that died, and the one that broke the Bat Family's "No kill" rule.
Damian is Bruce's biological son.

They all have a very clearly defined shtick.

But what is Tim's thing?
He's like...A good detective. Or something.

>>95099702
I have stopped reading it, because it seriously boring book.

The only thing I know is that the first ally trun out to be Alfred which I don't understand why Snyder was all secretive about.

>>95099727
>one of Bruce's biggest failures
I cringe everyone I see because people always misunderstood the meaning of it.

>>95099758
*everytime I see it

>>95099758
>>95099766
Tell me about it. The original meaning of this phrase is that Bruce consider not saving Jason from is his BIGGEST FAILURE, not that Jason was a failure.

>>95099727
Tim is the definitive Robin now that Dick's his own man. Damian's schtick is that he's the true heir and will eventually be Batman. Unfortunately that gives Tim nothing to do while Damian's putting in his time as Robin.

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>>95099758
"Bad Robin" is not the same as "Bruce biggest failure" tho. Bruce blame himself for Robin's death, which is why he think it's his biggest failure.

What you meant is how people always treat Jason as the bad robin who deserved to die.
Pic related, the boy that readers killed.

>>95099807
>"Bad Robin" is not the same as "Bruce biggest failure" tho. Bruce blame himself for Robin's death, which is why he think it's his biggest failure
I know that. What I mean that they are literally people who wrongly believes that Batman meant that Jason is a failure.

Basically what this guy said >>95099786

>>95099786
>The original meaning of this phrase is that Bruce consider not saving Jason from is his BIGGEST FAILURE

But that's exactly how I meant it when I typed it.

>>95099807
No one should give readers that power
He was Dick's replacement, ofc he was going to die, they basically asked for it then

>>95099788
Right now he is just "bigger robin" and this is kind of ridiculus
Also, i think he was never a robin in the new continuity, but i could be wrong

>>95099635
Even here there are actual Snyder fags who think he is good. No comic board is safe

>>95099727
the gayest one?

>>95099709
Current Tim design is really unbearable

>>95095048
>Dick only gives a shit about Damian
Since King and Seeley that ones who start developing Jason and Dick's relationship by showing that he actually cares about Jason, this isn't true at all.

What I'm actually wondering is why there's no attempt on developing Jason and Damian's relationship despite being not only connected by Bruce, but by Talia too.

>>95096694
I'm partial to early 90's Tim Drake with the slightly curly hair.

>>95096694
I think they are combed backwards

>>95100356
That will require the writers to actually cares about developing Damian and not just a brat who think everyone is beneath them.

Besides, the only ones who care about his relationship with Dick are Morrison and Seeley while the rest don't bother.

>>95096986
No, basically all the New 52 batbooks suffered from the same problems. Simone's Batgirl, Higgins' Nightwing, both Batwing runs, even Snyder's Batman during the first few arcs, all tried to push the envelope on blood and gore and joyless shock-value splash-pages. DC had a house style for those books, not just art but plot as well, and it was awful.

>>95100356
What connection does he have to Damian
I fuck your mom?

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>>95100601
>all tried to push the envelope on blood and gore and joyless shock-value splash-pages
I'd say this page was meant to be ironic. But it's Daniels.

>>95099879
He's one of the only significant characters in comics where they could make him gay tomorrow with no justification and nobody would blink, but muh wertham prevents this.

>>95100684
Talia is the one who took care of Jason when he came back and he is the only Robin who has connection to her besides Damian.

It doesn't need any explanation, really.

>>95100684
King wrote for Bruce's boys a comfy moment some time ago, i think the anon is talking about that

>>95100723
>but muh wertham prevents this.
Based.

In all honesty, the guy has a point that Batman and Robin relationship was rise eyebrows worthy. It was really creepy.

>>95100750
Well sure, if we disregard that that was the age when everyone did shit that would be super gay in hindsight, but that's an entirely different character. Bruce/Dick has always been kind of transgressive due to how much more paternal that relationship was.

>>95100723
His relationship with Spoiler would be weird

>>95100684
On the surface they are both seen as the angry Robins. They both tease each other quite a lot, but according to Bruce in INC they'd work well together. A one of comic of Jason and Damian trying not to strangle each other on a mission would be pretty fun.

>>95100772
>paternal that relationship was.
It reaally wasn't.

You have a secne where Batman forced Dick to wear a dress despite the fact that he didn't want to and the one time he spanked him for literally no reason before he give him his birthday gift.

>>95100782
I forget the time they team-up

>>95100800
>implying forced crossdressing and gratuitous spankings aren't part and parcel of fatherhood

>>95100814
Not in my culture, it never was.

>>95095208
People complain about it, but at least the Young Justice characters got to stick around, even if they got reworked. You people cry too much. It took 6 years for the real Titans to start coming back. Did you see what they did to the JSA? Still no sign of Sandy or Mid-Nite.

>>95100840
I couldn't agree more.

DC honestly did their best to push Tim and his generation and they still failed. It was never because they didn't care which I think it's time to retire them.

>>95098261
>I like Tim and Jason both, and I'm okay with Damian sometimes. I've never liked Dick, and that has nothing to do with liking Tim. I've disliked Dick since before Tim even existed.
Found the 40 year old.

>>95099099
>>95099603
Duke took Yellow. They took too long trying to find something for Tim.

>>95100862
We're all 40-year-old little girls here, anon.

>>95100862
Orange or Gray would be fine
Calling him Red Robin for so long didn't helped

>>95098615
>Hopefully we'll get a YJ revival with him being older

Not-so-young Justice?

Tim has nothing about him that stands out. The only thing he had going for him was that he was the modern Robin, but now that is Damian. Without the Robin brand he has struggled to find a place in the DCU and I don't think he has one.

The only thing Tim has that makes him different from the other Robins is that he has a normal family separate from the Batman family and he is able to transition into a school setting/normal life. The problem is that no writers have any idea what to do with his family and have no interest in putting him in high school. So he is fucked. They tried to give him the whole Titans franchise in the New 52, but that was a disaster and did more harm than anything.

>>95101022
>have no interest in putting him in high school

Good, constantly keeping him in high school was a mistake of Pre-Flashpoint. Actually, the Uni direction sounded pretty well. Of course, it wouldn't be fresh. Dick used to study (and be Robin on the side) on the same Uni, but that was long ago.

>>95101022
I think that what Tynion wants to do with Tim is pretty clear, he will most likely choose Steph over the bat-family, i dunno if that's going to lead to a new book but i would be disappointed if anything would turn back the way it was before he got in prison

>>95101054
Babs is already doing the university thing.

>>95099664
Just put on that his old RR mask and maybe a bat symbol on the chest and this would be perfect

>>95101192
But in Gotham. It's not really a new environment in her case.

>>95101192
Woldn't be the same thing, since Tim has genius level of intelect

Tim is actually the World's Greatest Detective, not Bruce, so it is most likely why he was taken; you have to think, when Bruce was shot back in time and everyone thought he was just dead, Tim as Red Robin actually put the pieces together and found out he was stuck in different time periods, on top of deducing Bruce and Dick's identities before he was Robin. Bruce has even stated, if i remember correctly, that he's not only the better detective, but also the true heir to the mantle. Tim was a good character and his Red Robin was great, but New 52 was a mixed bag; he was great in Batman books, but his Teen Titans book was dreadful all around. He was starting to read really good again in 'tec, but then he was taken.

Perhaps it's because they plan to re-introduce Connor, since it's a Superman story.

>>95090923

Kinda?

I grew up with Dick in TAS, even if by that point Tim had been Robin for a few years in the comics, as I was late getting into them. I actually really did like Tim as Robin when I first got into the comics, through his early years, dealing with Spoiler and her pregnancy, and then into No Mans Land. I even own the trade of him learnign to fight from Shiva with his staff. Still, I always preffered Nightwing.

As I got older, though, I started to find him dull, but that could be the writers running out of things for him to do.

Then Jason came back, and now Red Hood is one of my favorite DC characters with Superman and Batman.

When Damien was introduced, I hated the little snot. Now though I can't imagine the family without him, especially as Dick's Robin.

Tim? Eh, I suppose I don't care anymore. Maybe if they did make him a Talon who just keeps the name, later, rather than Red Robin.

Honestly though I don't care in general. I don't read N52/Rebirth Batbooks anyway. Superman, Supersons, Outlaws, and the books that are involved in the Doomsday Clock storyline. Generally, Post-Crisis fo lyfe.

>>95101244
>Supersons, Outlaws
You are making a big mistake

>>95101346
What's wrong with Supersons?

>>95090696
unlike the rest of the bat family he thinks outside the box. remember when he refused to believe that bruce was dead when the omega sanction was believed to have killed him? tim actually found all of bruce's messages left behind from his time jumps.

>>95090875
He isn't. He was going to grow up to be a better detective.

>>95101346
He actually making the right choice since RHATO is a great book.

>>95097923
Johns has dedicated his entire career to destroy all the characters created and developed after the last superfriends cartoons.

>>95101398
>unlike the rest of the bat family he thinks outside the box
To be fair, they all do.

>>95101244
>Then Jason came back, and now Red Hood is one of my favorite DC characters with Superman and Batman
Same. Red Hood is now one of my top favorite DC characters.

>>95101504
>>95101244
How did they make Jason of all people good? Does this mean I should pick up RHatO?

>>95101462
Yeah, it's really not exclusive to him. Him believing that Bruce is alive come from desperate obsession mostly.

>>95101517
Jason was never a bad character. He just needed someone who is good enough in handling him.

And yes, you should give it a chance. I wasn't excited when it was announced, but it's now my favorite book from DC.

>>95101524
in a world where they were making jokes at the martian manhunters funeral about him getting a quick resurrection they refused to believe bruce was alive, only tim was smart enough to think maybe darksied was fucking with em. the entire rest of the bat family accepted bruces supposed death without even batting an eyelash.

>>95101517
Just make sure to avoid the nu52 and Arsenal.
Just pretend that it doesn't exist.

Rebirth is pretty good.

>>95101571
The same way they had Bruce accepting that Tim is dead with no evidence because the plot require them to not to think.

>>95101584
>nu52 and Arsenal
Why people dislike them? They were just a crazy fun books that didn't take themselves too seriously and they delivered on that.

>>95101661
Because people took them more seriously than they should, anon.

Also, muh starfire.

>>95101674
Starfire has always been a bimbo. The people who were upset with it were secondaries from the cartoon.

>>95101517
Don't listen to >>95101584. New52 Jason was good, Rebirth Jason is a little bitch who refuses to kill, gets bossed around by a chick and "notice me senpai"s at Dick.

>>95101706
Just stay in CBR and bitch there.

I liked both books, but rebirth is definitely the superior one. Also, Jason is the one who is leading the team and Artemis follow his lead.

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>>95101504

At the time, I actually thought it was a stupid thing to do, makign death even more a revolving door in comics that it was, and cheapening one of the biggest dark moments of the Bat mythos.

>>95101517

It retroactively makes Jason as Robin good too, even if you hated the little shit they turned him into, because you know whats coming.

>>95101733
He probably just a desperate troll from the shipping thread.

>>95091267
Red X
>>95094540
I like this idea
>>95098998
Why do you think Tim is going to become a villain?

>>95090696
DC realizing Tim is utterly irrelevent

>>95099615
Damian's leadership is terrible.

The most bizarre thing about Rebirth is that Jericho is a better leader in one issue than Dick and Damian have been in multiple issues.

When a team funded by Deathstroke has better teamwork and leadership than their good counterparts, something is wrong with the good guys.

>>95101783
>Red X
This associated with Jason. Besides, we need to move him from the name "red".

>>95101626
That honestly comes across more like Bruce and the others just not giving a shit.

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>tfw even tumble doesn't care about you anymore

>>95101908
I thought Timmy was their "precious gay nerd baby"

>>95101858
wait shit so Red X in the TT cartoon was jason? why did I never realise this before?

>>95101917
Now he is "a misogynist white trash" to them.

>>95101858
True.Maybe he should be the Grey Ghost or something like another person in the thread suggested.

>>95101935
No one is sure who Red X was. Popular theories are that he was Jason or Grant Wilson.

>>95101937
>misogynist
What did he do?

>>95101971
They have been digging his old comics and it turn out that he had treated his girlfriends horribly so they stopped liking him now.

>>95101999
What about Dick? He wasn't nice towards his girlfriends either and even cheated on his fiancé.

>>95102031
He is Romani who DC is racist against him!!! So, he is given a pass from them.

>>95101937
>Dick is part Romani and a rape victim so he is thus oppressed
>Jason is a white male but tumblr makes excuses because tumblr is full of Jason fangirls so because he's poor and apparently latino it's fine to like him
>Damian is part Arab and a child so you're not allowed to hate him
>Tim is straight white male from a wealthy family
Tumblr used to claim he was made to be asian in order to excuse liking him, but they later found out it wasn't true so now they all hate Tim for being white and rich. Y'know, despite liking Bruce who is also a straight white male.

>>95101999
I'm trying to remember what horrible things he did to warrant that, but I get the feeling that it's just tumblr raging over nothing, like always.

>>95102053
Wait, do they think Jason is Latino because he was a street rat with shitty parents?

>>95102053
>Jason is a white male but tumblr makes excuses because tumblr is full of Jason fangirls so because he's poor and apparently latino it's fine to like him
They should just give him oppression points for being molested as a child.

>>95101244
>and the books that are involved in the Doomsday Clock storyline

Batman (and Flash) had the Button. Compared to the rest of the Rebirth events that one was most tied to Rebirth/DClock than any of them. Reborn came close and Oz Effect will clearly be another piece.

>>95101346
this:
>>95101373

>>95102126
It's more that they are desperate to make him Latino so he wouldn't be a white male because this means that he is eviiiiiil.

>>95102061
Tim Drake is boring. Here's a theory: He's not as popular now because he isn't anything other than Robin / Red Robin. Dick is also nightwing, Jason is red hood, and Damian is both Batman's son and an al Ghul.

He just doesn't stand out much from the other Robins.

>>95102146
Since it never stated as a canon and it was some writer headcanon, they can't do that.

>>95102200
How can they make him not boring?

>>95102200
Yeah the main issue is really that he doesn't have a very interesting post-Robin identity. Really the best thing they could have done with the character is to have him hang up the cape, and start fighting crime without the mask.

>>95102126
They think Jason is Asian nowadays for some reason.

>>95102229
Every Robin is asian these days because social media just wants the asian kid from TWD to play Robin.

>>95102184
And don't forget that this will make him privilege too despite being poor.

>>95102239
Damian is Asian.

>>95102053
>>95102126
They think Jason is a feminist ally because he beat up a rapist once or something

>>95102267

Bat genes strong. He is like 80% white/Wayne, 15% arab giving him an all year tan, and 5% asian so SJWs can't dislike him and so he is good with electronics.

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>>95101706
>New52 Jason was good

>>95102053
Isn't Talia a Chinese?

>>95102300
N52 Jason was really kind towards plenty of people. This pic doesn't describe him in any way.

>>95102298
>50% white/Wayne

>>95102317
Chinese >50%
Arab >50%

>>95102300
Jason used spaceship to move around so your image isn't accurate at all.

>>95102364
Ras is full Arab?

>>95102300
This only describe Morrison's Jason to be honest.

>>95102397
Not really, even in the Batman and Robin arc he was more theatrics than true edge.

It's basically new 52 Deathstroke though.

>>95102267
that wasn't the point of my post faggot and you know that. But that you for telling me the most well known thing about my favorite Robin.

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>>95102300
>not posting actual Jason version

>>95102423
Yeah, you actually have a point.

>>95102384
IIRC The Denny O'neil origin has him as from the region. It would make sense he's 100 percent given the time period.

Who's talia's mother though? Since when is her mother 100 percent chinese?

>>95102431
And this doesn't describe any version of Jason. Seriously, who made this?

>>95101858
>>95101935
Red X was created before Jason Todd's return.

>>95102470
Some anon with a lot of free time and enough hatred towards Jason.

>>95099702

Zsazz

>>95102384
Ra’s al Ghul is the Sensei’s son.

>>95102473
Anon, you do realize that Jason was created in the 80s? Red X wasn't a reference to him as Red Hood.

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>>95102431
>dislikes: Dick Grayson
He loves Dick now

>>95102484
Don't be so sensitive anon
I assume this was made about nu52 Red Hood considering Starfire was mentioned
From what I've read of nu52 RHATO he wasn't edgy so much as he was a smug asshole

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>>95102513
canon cuck

>>95102522
>spends the entire time talking about Jason

>>95102522
>Didn't read the annual
>Doesn't understand Artemis bugged Dick for more information on Jason

Oh how I love /co/.

>>95099708
Declan Shalvey's art works for some things and not others. This is one of those things it doesn't work for.

>>95102522
>thinks he got cucked
>still wingmans for Biz
Jay is a good bro

>>95102538
>>95102541
>Jasonfags damage control

You forgot the "she just laughed at the end and didn't actually want Dick despite dripping for him during the issue"

>>95102566
Think again, I'm actually a Damianfag. Don't worry though. I'm sure Dick is going to have fun with the worst Batgirl soon enough. I'm sure you Dickfags are going to like that.

>>95102566
Jasonfags have been getting kind of annoying recently
I actually really don't think Lobdell is going to put Artemis and Jason in a relationship anyway, he's basically gone up and down on twitter saying they're close friends and nothing more.

>>95102566
Dick is a chick magnet. It's not her fault.

>>95102431
At least fragment about Babs is accurate.

>>95102473
But after Hush.

>>95102522
I read the annual and she literally only used him to get on information on Jason. I didn't understand some people misunderstood this scene.

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>>95102496
Sensei is one of few Karate teachers in the DC Universe. He was given control over the League of Assassins after Doctor Darrk's death by Ra's al Ghul, but rebelled against Ra's. This was also the time in which he was said to have lost his sanity. He has trained only one student to full mastery at least within regular DC history. That student was Ben Turner aka Bronze Tiger.

>>95102610
It's just Dick fans being their usual delusional desperate selves.

She wouldn't even have given him a second look if he wasn't associated with Jason.

>>95102610
>misunderstood
That anon was clearly shitposting to get (You)s

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>>95102587
>I actually really don't think Lobdell is going to put Artemis and Jason in a relationship anyway, he's basically gone up and down on twitter saying they're close friends and nothing more.
Lobdell lying? Say it ain't so

http://the-collection.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=10705
Someone wanted Tim as an Owlman in a drawthread a while ago.

>>95102610
*I don't understand why

>>95102503
So you're saying Red X was a reference to the then long-dead and mostly irrelevant Jason Todd? Really? You know how implausible that sounds?

>>95102643
Believe it if you want
Don't complain when Artemis ends up a lesbian and Jason is still single by the end of the series

>>95102652
Nice

>>95102622
Absolutely destroys Batman .

>>95102657
Jason was never irrelevant. They literally based the Robin of TT on him, Tim and Dick.

Not to mention that both Timm and Dini wanted him on BATS.

>>95102670
Lobdell literally himself denied that she wasn't, tumblr.

>>95102513
Lobdell literally took Tim's original hero-worship of Dick and gave it to Jason.

>>95102725
TT Robin was about 70% Tim and 30% Dick with Dick's name, but TT wasn't accurate especially with longer-running characters. For example, Aqualad was a bishie fujobait, like exactly no incarnation in comics.

>>95102538
>>95102541
This is true and Jason/ Artemis is still otp. But Jason thinks he got cucked which actually makes it funnier

>>95102634
I sometimes wonder how unfaltering towards Dick to push this ship since she was clearly using him.

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>>95102670
Artemis has always been bi

>>95102781
You mean if they know? It's obviously they don't which is why it's funny.

>>95102766
No TT was clearly Dick. Just the old New Teen Titans version who was pretty serious that people don't remember for some reason. He only had Tim's pants and staff

>>95102766
Whatever you float your boat. Even the creators literally declared that they did whether you saw it or not.

>>95102792
Is she bi tho? She keep referring to Alika as her sister, not a lover.

>>95101373
>>95101448
>>95102148

i fast-read the message, thought he said he doesn't read those books

>>95102031
He has Jim and Juan going on for him.

>>95102657
How new are you? Jason Todd was never irrelevant and has always been a big part of the bat mythos.

>>95094540
I like the sound of it
So:

>Nightwing comes from Burce's best friend
>Red Hood comes from Bruce's wrost enemy
>Gray Ghost comes from Bruce's best... colleague?

Sorry, i don't know much about this character

>>95101783
>Why do you think Tim is going to become a villain?

They are building a story arc where future Tim have become Batman and he made Gotham a police state

Maybe Tim was taken because of his connection to Kon (who was apparently taken because of his connection to Clark for some reason). He might not be the only one to notice that the world is off, but it's a pretty good bet that outside of Superman, Tim would be the first once to realize that Kon, his long-time best friend, is missing.

>>95102932
If I remember correctly, the Grey Ghost was the main character of a tv show, and Bruce's childhood hero.

>>95102991
Yeah but futures where good guys go bad are usually averted in comics. I'd be surprised if the writers went through with it and made present Tim a villain.

>>95102522
Have Bruce to meet her, and she will play the same act.

>>95102932
>>95103022
That sets it up nicely.
>friend
>enemy
>hero
Pottery

>>95102652
Noice

>>95103022
>>95103155

Wow, this actually fit the pattern way too well
it's not going to happen, but i almost feel the urge to tweet Tynion about this

>>95094540
>Tim gets sent back in time to the 30s/40s
>happens upon a Court of Owls conspiracy that is connected with the forces that sent him back in time and now threatens to future
>dons the mantle of the Grey Ghost
>inspires urban legends that get turned into radio plays and pulp novels
>mirroring how Bruce left clues for him in Return of Bruce Wayne's, Tim works with pulp novelist to hide clues to the conspiracy that a young Bruce will read as a child and adult Bruce remembers once they become relevant to a case as an adult
>Bruce uses Tim's clues to unravel the remnants of grand conspiracy that sent him back in time, returns Tim to the present
>Tim retains Grey Ghost persona
>grey ghost inspired Bruce, batman inspired Tim
>pottery

>>95103262
>i almost feel the urge to tweet Tynion about this
do it faggot

>>95103342
But can Tim rock the fedora without looking like a douche?

>>95103342
Huh. That's actually really good. Would read.

>>95103379
Get Marcus To back and it won't matter.

>>95103005
This would make sense but I don't think DC wants to put a spotlight on their relationship.

>>95103379
I'm shy

Jor El wanted a prison bitch thats why Tim was taken

>>95100308
Only because of the stupid double R logo and the fact that it's literally his Robin costume otherwise.

Like, the main problem with it is that it's a 25 year throwback to what was at the time the best Robin design, used for a character who is meant to not actually be Robin.

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>>95100840
>Did you see what they did to the JSA?

The New52 was almost universally a bad time if you already gave a shit about characters, I agree.

>>95101022
Had, anon.
HAD a normal family.

>>95101224
>Babs "Eidetic Memory and Wheelchair Hack-god" Gordon not a genius

I mean, yeah, nowadays they write her as functionally retarded, but that's kind of a new thing.

>>95101971
He had a penis.

>>95104023
They should make Tim the tranny rep. That would give him a niche in the Batfam.

>>95095076
Tim became irrelevant because DiDio considers him redundant. Dick is the OG Robin, Jason Todd is the bad boy ex-Robin, and Damien is the new official Robin.

Once Jason came back and Damien got introduced, Tim was fucked.

>>95102751
>Forgetting that Jason was originally Redhead Dick right down to having his parents murdered by a gangster extorting the circus.

>>95104147
Why did they change it?

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>>95102991
Oh like whoever is Batman doesn't turn Gotham into a police state in EVERY future.

>>95104147
>steals Dick's backstory
>steals Tim's backstory
>steals Red Hood's entire identity
Jason is the hack robin

>>95104162
Crisis.
Also, it was super derivative and mostly done so that they could still have a Robin around despite Wolfman giving Dick his disco suit over in Titans.

>>95104147
BLONDE Jason's parents were killed by killer croc who feed them to crocodiles.

Literally the only thing blonde Jason and Dick shared is both being raised in the circus and that's it.

>>95104203
You do know that Tim stole a lot from Jason, right? And both Dick and Tim stole their identity from someone else.

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>>95104199
Damian allowed Gotham to become some apocalyptic hellhole.

>>95104381
The funny thing is that literally all Robins stole from Jason.

They all steal from each others which is why Robin fans should be so sensitive about it.

>>95104416
>Tim allowed Gotham to become some apocalyptic natzi hellhole.

>>95104416
Damian is a shitty little demon child, so that's to be expected.

>>95104336
I don't know when the meme that pre-crisis Jason was a Dick's copy will stop.

>>95104498
It will stop when they stop getting their information from Wikipedia and actually read comics.

>>95104522
He is tho.

>>95104455
*stop being so sensitive

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>>95104491
DC Comics Gives Us A Nazi Batman Tim Drake.

>>95104522
Damifan is that you? I thought you have become better.

>>95104564
Me too, I thought that she decided to stop trolling.

>>95104561
I predict Tim Drake will at least once make a comment about how he's trying to "make Gotham great again".

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>>95104611
And the story of Tim Drake, the Nazi Batman will be continuing in Tec.

>>95094540
>>95103342
Ya'll got me all inspired n shit

>>95104801
Two face already did that

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>>95105481
forgot image

>>95105508
>>95105481
I'm already mad that they won't do it.

>>95103342
Am I the only one that doesn't like the idea of Tim having that much of a formative influence on Bruce Wayne as Batman? That's like saying Steel traveled back in time and space to Krypton and is the reason the House of El has the 'S' symbol.

Timfags ruining the Batmythos. Shoo shoo.

>>95105508
That's cool

>>95105508
now this is something to tweet Tynion about

>>95105508
Well done.

>>95105726
>Am I the only one that doesn't like the idea of Tim having that much of a formative influence on Bruce Wayne as Batman?

It might be a bit much, yeah, but the identity itself is a decent pitch.

>>95103022
Not in the comics, but i wouldn't mind retconning one to be a detective from the 40' so this would work >>95103155

>>95105726
It would make Batman the one who forms little Bruce if anything, but yeah the change of the mantle can happen in a different way, personally i'm not a fan of time travel in general tbqh

>>95105508
Awesome, anon!

>>95105502
Meant for >>95104611

>>95094540
>>95105508
This could seriously work, good job anons

>>95105726
It can be dono in a different way, like he joins the Anarchy group the way Spoiler did

>>95090923
Nobody on /co/ was reading comics when Tim was still relevant.

>>95109645
There are a few older people on /co/. I've been posting in this thread and I'm one of them, though I'm not actually 40.

>>95109645
I'm 18 but as a kid I got a few comics with him from those "2 comics for $1" deals they used to have at Dollar Tree, so he's always been the main "comic Robin" to me, with Dick as the "cartoon Robin."

>>95109970
I think Tim was the first robin for most of people here

>>95112094
Between Teen Titans, BTAS reruns and The Batman I'd assume Dick was the first Robin most people encountered

>>95112586
Can confirm
I thought Dick was the only Robin until I got into comics

>>95112586
Which is basically Tim

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>>95105508

This is the Owlman this other anon >>95102652 linked

I prefer the Gray one desu

>>95113513
that's really gay
I guess it fits then?
the Ghost one would be better if he had a hat