Animated Horror Films

>>95067231
I've heard some people say you can't do animated horror, it's just not scary. I don't know if that's true but I can't think of any examples to disprove it.

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Cartoons are for kids silly

>>95067280
>I don't know if that's true but I can't think of any examples to disprove it.

I find parts of Secret of NIMH plenty scary, and I've seen every single Hellraiser movie at least twice.

>>95067280

They can be done, but they require serious talent in the writing and animation department. Plus a studio that will have the balls to risk doing something adult that isn't family guy tier comedy. Those three things are difficult to assemble for Hollywood, might have a better chance with Netflix or television.

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>>95067280
>I've heard some people say you can't do animated horror, it's just not scary
The problem the one that typically gets in the way: The Animation Age Ghetto.

The popularity of anime like image related and any number of vidya demonstrate that it's just a problem with American't.

the Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde part of The Pagemaster freaked me the fuck out.

so did the Moby Dick part, too.

>>95067280
there are plenty of anime that prove that wrong. Perfect Blue is probably the best example

>>95067231
Cartoons are perceived as being for children, and horror movies are aimed at teens at the youngest. Considering how much animation costs and how cheaply live action horror movies can be produced, it just doesn't make financial sense.

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>>95067231
No mention of coraline? It was effective horror imo. Especially the scene where Coraline finally escapes, something about the part where other mother limply throws her body down the spider web and afterwards when she pleads with Coraline maniacally talking about how she'll die without her were really creepy. Still a kids movie. Paranorman & Kubo COULD of been scary but it doesn't really go that direction.

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this movie got some pretty spooky moments, and i wont call it a kid friendly movie either.

>>95067620
Okay, people who aren't pussies don't find animated horror scary.

>>95071173
>>95071085
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>>95067620
I've seen all this shit, and not a single moment is what I would call "scary." The only thing I think when I see "scary" animation is that it looks cool. I can appreciate it, but I don't find any of it to be genuinely scary.

>>95071290
Not all horror movies are scary but Monster House and Coraline are definitely horror movies.

>>95071290
Just because you don't think they are scary doesn't mean they aren't horror movies

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>>95071355
>>95071324
When the hell did I say they weren't horror movie? I just said that I didn't think they were scary.
Don't you faggots put words into my mouth.

THE EVIL WITHIN is a shit game, but has some cool imagery and themes. I would enjoy it as a CG-animated movie, while playing it was an tedious and awful chore.

>>95071355
But he's saying that he doesn't feel scared, because (as I understand him) the way the scenes are animated or shown are cool, and thus distract him from getting a fright.

>>95067231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkDrIacHJM

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>>95071290

>>95071290
Maybe you just weren't the right age for Coraline. My cousin is 16 now and he still reminds me how freaked out he was by Coraline when I took him to see it when he was a kid.

>>95067280
Horror as a genre has been really lackluster in the past years.
Name one live-action film from the past decade that was genuinely scary and remarkable apart from The Witch

>>95071717
Blumhouse is killing horror.

>>95071717
Pan's Labrynth

But you aren't wrong

>>95067504
Almost 30 years ago, I saw AKIRA in DC at a matinee full of moms with their kids who came to see a nice animated film. Sadly, it took bullets in cartoon dog brains to convince them to leave.

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>>95071751
>yfw Pan's Labyrinth doesn't even make the "past decade" cutoff

>>95071717
Martyrs.

>>95071906
dull

>>95071892
fuck...I feel old now

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>>95071290
To be honest I wouldn't mind seeing a horror animation with a style like
>pic related
It's kind of spooky to me, it might help it get that edge those live action horror movies have

>>95071975
That's kinda cool.

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>>95067231

Horror animation has always worked better in short film form rather than feature film form. This animated adaptation of The Tell Tale Heart from 1953 is still the best adaptation of Poe's story ever produced:

https://youtu.be/k7d7qVgNj8g

There are tons of good animated short horror films.

>>95071939
Go back to your American schlock cinema.

>>95072005
>This animated adaptation of The Tell Tale Heart from 1953 is still the best adaptation of Poe's story ever produced:

Better quality version:

https://youtu.be/bCEdRES08Y4

I can't believe a shit factory like UPN made that.

>>95067504
>I feel good, a special kind of horny

This is probably the scariest cartoon ever made. Stop motion is perfect for horror

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqi5F5MqqTQ

>>95072019
You see one new French extremity, you've seen them all. Extreme violence is overdone and not scary at all.

>>95071717

Inside (2007 french version, because apparently there's a remake now) was pretty good. I recommend it. I saw the Devil, Let the right one in, (original) Pan's Labyrinth, I'd probably list a bunch of stuff you haven't heard of because I found that I had to look at the international markets for good horror.

>>95071173
This movie was comfy.

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>>95071892
That bottle scene. I've seen actual skinning and that's still something haunting.

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The Spawn HBO series had pretty decent horror moments.

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>>95067231
>Horror is a VERY popular genre in live-action
I don't think that's because there's a dedicated horror fanbase, much more to do with it being easier to make your money back on a budget of 5 mill than 50 mill

>>95072266

Depends on the series. Saw, Conjuring, Insidious and Paranormal Activity consistently made bank even as their budgets increased. You're Next is a good example of your point though, so is It Follows, probably one of the biggest wastes of a concept ever.

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>>95072170
WANDA

>>95067231
Because the type of people who went into animation tend to also be nonsensical or about happier themes.

Also, the visceral nature of blood, or the suspense of terror, is hard to capture in an animated way, since there's an additional level of separation from the viewer and subject matter.

>>95067231
Horror is popular because it's relatively cheap to produce. Animation costs about the same no matter what you're making.

>>95071751
>Pan's Labrynth
Except the clear political overtones to the movie are a serious and distracting put-off.

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>tfw no Blackford Manor series

>>95072474

Explain?

>>95072402
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDle00tZJFE

>>95072517
>Even "white guys," everywhere.
>Capitalism versus Communism.
>Oppressive patriarchy.

>https://twitter.com/realgdt/status/827065272028766208?lang=en

Shit was so obvious it was cringe worthy.

>>95071717
Creep (2014)
Nightcrawler (2014)
Honeymoon (2014)
Oculus
Absentia
Shutter Island
Sleep Tight (2011)
The Ruins (2008)
Get Out
Train to Busan
Girl with all the Gifts (2016)
It comes at Night

>>95071906
>Martyrs
Ma nigga.

>>95072474
>>95072576
>I don't want to think about anything when I watch a movie REEEE

neck yourself, seriously. People like you don't deserve to live in this world

>>95072600
Oculus was pretty good, imho.

>>95072608
>Get clearly insulted by the creator.
>Somehow you should just ignore this.
>Point it out.
>Some fag tells you to die.
Pretty fucking typical of /co/mblr I guess.

>>95072402
WANGRAHG WANGRAGH WANNGGGRRAAA!

Nice shot spawny boy!

>>95072608
>Good art is about jumping on political bandwagons and harping on unproven cliches.
Sure showed us. It was shit.

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>>95072608
I'm neither of the dudes you replied to, but as someone who hasn't even seen Pan's Labrynth, let me just say that you are the faggot in this argument.

>>95072576
You realize Spain went through serious things during WW2 right? There's a reason they almost escaped the history books of that little catastrophe.

>>95072706
Too bad he wrote it for American audiences with American political metaphors in mind.

>>95072576

I figured it would be something that stupid or bait.

First, the movie came out long before the turdfest that is gender politics so stop trying to force it to fit a narrative it isn't making. Second, if you are this much of a oversenstive pussy the movie and the horror genre would be wasted on you anyway.

>>95072641
>>95072677
>>95072690
It's a movie set in WW2 and you want the writer to ignore that? Read some history you amerifats

>>95072733
>so stop trying to force it to fit a narrative it isn't making
That tweet came from the creator's own mouth, you tard. I ain't forcing shit. He straight up admitted it.

>>95072727
that's why it's not even in english, huh?

>>95072746
Right, everyone ELSE is retarded.

>>95072733
>/co/mblr rage and name calling
Predictable and typical.

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>>95072770
>Rampant anti-American sentiment doesn't exist in the EU.

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>>95071975
Reminds me of this

>>95072402
Hey, its Kathy Kinney.

>>95072752
It came from a failing director who fucked up and or abandoned recent films. Trying to appeal to the 'want to feel important' generation and a few other idiots way after you made the film is laughable at best.

Get back to making At The Mountains Of Madness. And keep Cruise out unless he's funding or playing the most insane person. I'm really surprised streaming companies aren't dry-humping this even if Hollywood was dumb enough to leave it.

>>95072867
Yes, exactly! I'd love to see one short film with the monster animated like that instead of just one Courage episode. The juxtaposition is just asking to be used

>>95072887
>No, see, don't listen to the creator.
k bud

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>>95067280
Zombie Island scared the shit out of me.

>>95072911
Yeah don't. I don't like making accusations but he's probably just trying to make money by being a lying fuck after the fact.

>>95072965
Even if you are right (you're not since the creator himself doesn't agree with you) but you're still blatantly ignoring every major shoe-horned and lamp-shaded moment in the movie about, "Evil Capitalism versus Good Communism," and, "Deadly Oppressive Patriarchy."

>>95072963
Scooby Doo movies are always keeping up a level of quality other straight-to-the-bargain-bin movies don't even try to reach for. I can appreciate that. That's probably one of my favorites

>>95072576
>Spanish
>White

>Took 70 posts to get political
New record

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What if the guys behind Netflix Castlevania did Silent Hill? I'd watch that.

>>95072780
>>95072752

Pale is also a color associated with death. And he speaks of institutional evil. But as usual, people can't into subtlety and immediately jump to the same tired shit all the time to stroke their victimization boner.

>>95073010
>a movie about WW2
>Has WW2 themes

fuck off

>>95073053
>Post politically charged examples.
>BUT WHY IS THERE POLITICS?!
The politics stop when the artists stop being political.

>>95073075
>stroke their victimization boner
Yes, that's exactly what the director did with Pan's Labyrinth. That's what I'm saying.

>>95073010

Tell us all about these moments we're ignoring, Anon.

>>95073147
>The scene with the mother dying because dad doesn't believe in magical cures.
>The scene with the benevolent communist losing his foot.
Did you even watch the movie?

>>95073090
I don't mind politics in cartoons, it's just politics in threads tend to derail, going from the artist's ideologies to real-world events that have little to do with cartoons
As long as it stays on topic I don't see a problem with it

>>95073090
>The politics stop when the artists stop being political.
Damn good point, honestly.

>>95073174
In most cases artists tend to harp on real-world events. Hence the overwhelming amount of political argument in /co/.

>>95073109

You project any harder and you'll look like Lo Pan.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/guillermo-del-toro-reveals-curiosities-article-1.1494647

There's his actual inspiration. So >>95073010
was right.

>>95073162
>>The scene with the mother dying because dad doesn't believe in magical cures.
The guy was a fucking Nazi, these were the people who rejected new science like Relativity as Jewish MAGIC.
>>The scene with the benevolent communist losing his foot.
It was showing the horrors of war. What do you have against that?

>>95073251
Magic isn't real kid. It's completely reasonable, even for a Nazi, not to believe putting a moldy mandrake, in milk, under a deathly ill woman's bed, is a good idea. That's the entire problem with the scene.

>>95073190
I find that "artists" have a tendency to either release their frustration through their work, or be cowards that hide behind them.

There are brilliant exceptions of course; just more mouthy assholes than you might find even on the internet.

>>95073251
>he thinks the magic was real in-universe
Oh, Anon. You sweet summer child.

>>95073312
The problem with modern artists is they all too frequently take the easy road when it comes to politics. They hypocritically declare they're tearing down some status quo while actually defending it.

>>95073251
>It was showing the horrors of war. What do you have against that?
>Let's just ignore the black-and-white framing of the sides.

>>95073061
I want this. Kind of. But the series, in terms of movies and animation, has already been kind of tainted. They'd have to be extremely careful of the content going in.

>>95073393
>Nazi defender
go back to charlottesville
>>95073283
>>95073324
where did I say that magic is real? Where? I'm saying it could be a political statement or not. It fit in character to the nazi not to want her to be superstitious.

>>95073360
This why I like writers; and to a degree politicians, painters, directors etc that are loony as hell. They're too screwy to lie.

>>95073466
>completely brushing over the fact it's 100% reasonable for even a Nazi to be upset his wife is being poisoned by moldy mandrake in milk superstition
>irrationally hating on Nazis but supporting communists for no good reason other than because

>>95073162

I have. And you're still reaching pretty hard. Vidal was a man characterized as a meticulous, brutal asshole who only cared about his legacy and crushing the rebels as a means of expanding that legacy, there's nothing Deadly Oppressive Patriarchy about that shit because of course he wouldn't believe in magic cures just like he didnt care about the history of the Labyrinth. Also he believed in Falangism, which is strongly anti captialist and anti communist, shooting your other theory to shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falangism.

>>95073578
>You're still reaching pretty hard with what the creator already admitted to designing the movie with in mind.
Sure showed me.

>>95073578
>He wasn't about the patriachy!
>"The Spanish Falange supported conservative ideas about women and supported rigid gender roles that stipulated that women's main duties in life were to be a loving mother and a submissive wife." -Source: Your Link
At least read your own shit first.

>>95073613
so making a character who stands for some sort of beliefs is now just /pol/? You NEED a villain to stand for something or else he is cardboard. The villain was very well done, you knew he cared about something, just not for something you wanted to support.

just admit you are a triggered nazi supporter

>>95073691
The villain was designed to just be hated. He was as two dimensional as it gets.

>>95071290
You might just be in the same boat as me. Movies just aren't scary to me, animated or otherwise. I love me a good, cohesive horror film but I've never been scared by one. It makes me really sad actually. I wish I could be scared. I want to feel alive.

>>95073640
B T F O

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>>95073720
I'm glad somebody gets it.

>>95073720
Well, Stephen King declares there are three types of fear he writes about. The Gross Out. The Horror. And The Terror. Maybe you're only getting one types (the least effective) and crave another type?
>https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/84666-the-3-types-of-terror-the-gross-out-the-sight-of

>>95073613
The director admitted years after... on social media. With topics popular at the time.

Just because it aligns with your agenda doesn't make it true. Anyone who wants to make money, or continue a public career, has a public relations agent. Even franchises will often hire social media agents for individually owned locations.

>>95073640

And where is the Deadly Oppressive part of that? He didn't force her not to take the cure or beat her, then you'd have a fucking point. Having
"conservative ideas about women and supported rigid gender roles that stipulated that women's main duties in life were to be a loving mother and a submissive wife" does not translate to deadly fucking oppressive.

>>95073613

See the link I posted again. He said in another interview that he created the Pale Man from manta rays. http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/guillermo-del-toro-reveals-curiosities-article-1.1494647

>>95073818
>It wasn't a popular opinion at the time to harp on political bandwagons like the patriarchy and Nazis
Sure bud.

>>95073812
stephen king is a hack and wouldn't know read horror if it hit him with a brick.

HP Lovecraft is where you START for horror. He crafted horror about what the READER imagined. He would describe something as "Not like this, not like this, but something completely different", which let the reader imagination run wild. He knew that whatever he wrote would never compare to what the reader would fear, so he let the reader do the work on it.

>>95073857
He straight up killed the kid, you dip.
>It's not deadly oppressive!
Tell it to the liberals.

>>95073857
>He said in another interview that he created the Pale Man from manta rays.
>What is thematic versus visual inspiration?
You seem to think it has to be either/or.

>>95073897
>stephen king is a hack and wouldn't know read horror if it hit him with a brick.
Oh, I agree. But that doesn't mean he isn't wrong about there being different shades of fear, delivered in different ways.

>>95073900

The mother, retard. Of course he shot the kid trying to walk off with the only thing he fucking cared about. But he didn't kill the mother directly, or treated her poorly because she was carrying his kid. After that he gave no shits about her.

>Tell it to the liberals.

Apparently I'm talking to one. Then again, both sides are practically the same so I can't tell you apart.

>>95073872
Where do you live where that isn't perpetual? I would hope the director knew about fascism.

>men controlling shit more than half a century ago
That's not a commentary. If you live in a country that has this issue you should do something about it; other than badgering people online or thinking old movies were about you.

>>95074040
>he still believes the meme women were completely helpless half a century ago
Ironically, women felt the most restrictions in their lives when women were in charge. ie the Victorian age.

>>95074067
ie today.

it is historical fact that people feel more oppressed the more equal they are. That does not mean we shouldn't treat people more equal, just that is has some crazy side effects.

Anyone know of any new horror animations?

>>95074124
People should be treated legally equal, that I can get behind, in terms of protection of law and opportunity. But after that it should be by merit.

>>95074124
>it is historical fact that people feel more oppressed the more equal they are
The fuck? Why even write a sentence you're going to contradict yourself in?

>>95074067
Oh no, that's not what I'm saying at all. I believe in equal rights but I believe in a lot of areas women just want dominance under the guise of any prior issues.

A lot of people need help but you don't deserve it because of what your ancestors' ancestors went through regardless of race or gender. And we're moving into POL territory really rapidly.

Who enjoyed the Hellraiser comics? Leviathan is terrifying.

WOOOOW LOOK AT ALL THIS HORROR ANIMATION TALK. I AM ENLIGHTENED. GREAT CHAT

>>95074213
So post about horror animation you fag. Otherwise let the conversation flow naturally, as it should.

>>95074211
>And we're moving into POL territory really rapidly.
see: >>95073090

>>95073948

Because the 'White people are evil" narrative doesn't fit Thematically or visually with the movie or the character itself, and is only coming up now when it's convenient for people to shitpost about it and Toro to benefit from the attention.

A little advice for the future, when you see a twitter post like this, ask yourself who benefits from your reaction rather than just reacting.

>>95073720
Horror is about exploring a potentially disturbing situation without having to experience it directly. It's an exploration, not a simulation. Which means it's entirely possible to watch a perfectly fine horror movie without ever being literally "scared" by it.

On the other hand, if you're not wincing a little during some of the kills in Texas Chainsaw Massacre, then you might just be too autistic to watch movies properly.

>>95074315
>Just ignore what he said!
Or, instead, I can go full Occam's Razor and just take his word for it.

>>95074152
I agree with you there. but unfortunately not everyone is born equal, some are born into poor families, some with bad genes that give them defects. I do think in some cases we should help those people
>>95074175
that's not a contradiction, learn to read faggot

>>95074388
>I do think in some cases we should help those people
Only voluntarily. I refuse to be a slave to anyone because of my social status, regardless of how high or low I am.

>>95074388
>Let's just enforce noblesse oblige again.
lol no

>>95074363
>On the other hand, if you're not wincing a little during some of the kills in Texas Chainsaw Massacre, then you might just be too autistic to watch movies properly.
I have to wonder if it's this sometimes. Autistic, sociopath, maybe I'm just depressed. I don't know. It's like I can't really feel any strong emotions. I'll watch a movie that I can tell is supposed to be amazing, and I'll just be like "That was a very good film." and that's that. I don't know what's wrong with me. I just know something is wrong. Sorry to take away from the original topic.

>>95074211

Lets recommend more stuff to read or watch then, and tell me more about this Leviathan, does it take place after a particular movie or can I keep pretending to ignore the sequels past Bloodline?

Caliban by Garth Ennis is worth a read as well.

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>>95074276
Yes, comics and cartoons; as well and the books and novels they are tied to can be politically loaded. But we are so far off the tracks we might as well be in an oceanic trench.

Here. I don't have scans but this version of the Tally Man is my favorite and scary as hell for some reason.

>>95071748
*saving

>>95074425
this is the american health system at work....

so if someone loses a leg, people should not help that person out? What if they fought and lost it in a war? Jesus, americans really hate themselves

>>95074445
Well, horror movies do have to contend with a general desensitization and appetite fatigue of the audience. You're not weird. You're normal. There's just enough of the content out there to get bored of it.

>>95074485
We had systems in place before socialized medicine, actually, and hospitals couldn't legally refuse giving life-saving procedures. I wouldn't expect you to know about alternatives, though, since you're being rampantly anti-US.

>>95074385

It's a free country, you can be a slave to twitter wars all you like.

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Heavy Metal has some great sequences, and the bombers is some good horror.

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>>95074528
I know hospitals can't reject life in jeopardy situations. But they send them home with a gigantic bill that gets sent to bill collectors and ruin peoples lives.

Face it, the american health system is one of the worst in the world. Sad thing is you also end up spending far more than most european countries and still have the worst product

>>95074620
Is that why before forced socialization people flew here for treatment?

>>95074640
oh please, don't act like europe isn't treating 10 times the amount of refugies than you. America is don't nothing. Not saying you have to, it's your own damned country, but using that as an arguement is completely flawed

>>95074445

I agree with >>95074489

Personally I love horror, the more twisted the better. But at the same time I've gotten incredibly desensitized to the point that it takes more extreme stuff to affect me or a plot or concept that I haven't seen a hundred times. I was you before I discovered international stuff and fell in love with it.

>>95074693
>bait
Have one last (You). Not even talking about the movie now. Or facts for that matter.

>>95074728
>facts are bait now

go back to /pol/ trumpfag

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>>95074620
>Switzerland

>>95074640
I think the trap words there are "access" and "equity" that force the bell curve down. Makes the fantasy, nebulous ranking lower. People flew in for the quality and efficiency because they could afford to buy their way past the other two "downsides"

>>95074766
Of course the medpacks are good.

>>95073061
Hell yeah.

This was kinda creepy I thought
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drqsgn3CYow

>>95074782
>Not even about animation or horror.
>>>/pol/
>>>/bant/

If you want to make a thread on those boards and cross link it go ahead. I'll join you there.

>>95074462
There's a ton of Hellraiser comics and adaptions. This was a side-story that had nothing to do with the movies other than Leviathan.

It is just a fallen angel that is powerful as hell and seems to like playing long-term. The sado-masochism and even the leather they wear is an extension of his non-sense. It's his skin.

Also like most of Hellraiser it prods at not putting fingers where they don't belong, or being a petty asshole. Lord fordbid people actually take care of each other than not be vengeful little asses forever.

>>95074928

Thanks. I'll check them out.

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aren't video games kind of animated horror stories? I know interactivity is a big part of it but I think when people say animation can't be scary it's a big sweeping claim about all non live action mediums intrinsically

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>>95073897
>stephen king is a hack
Opinion discarded.

>>95073897
>HP Lovecraft is where you START for horror
Oh yes. Yes you fucking do. unzips pants.

this counts, dammit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS_FCbQ-okM

>>95075485

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDaOgu2CQtI

IF you count CGI then there's a lot actually

>>95071173
They pussied out by not killing the dog and the other humans though.

>>95072434
What's the difference between a real person being chased by a killer and a cartoon character being chased by a killer?

>>95071717
Maybe not straight horror, but there's been some damn good horror-comedies, like Cabin in the Woods and Get Out.

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>>95073459

Maybe they could adapt 2 instead of 1/3 like the live action films did.

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Does Dead Space: Downfall count?

>>95080115

Definitely, though the sequel was kinda shit save for getting backstory on a certain character.