FFS

>>95036923
BASED DAD

>>95036923
Is this a real page?

>>95036990
Its hamfisted enough to be.

>>95036990
Yes. Those are two from the preview for this week's issue.

>>95036923
>Never gonna leave the school
>Never gonna have a life

He's right you know

also I thought his dad was dead

>>95037004
They should just kill Iceman so when they resurrect him in a decade the whole gay thing can be erased.

>>95036923
"what kind of stupid question is that" Nice one. Way to defuse the situation. Fuck off

>>95036923

Where did that table come from?

>>95036923
>You're not giving us Grandkids
He wants more mutants in the family?
The one from his last nut almost caused the fimbulwinter, wasn't that enough?

>>95037020
I mean is the dad really in the wrong for asking the question? since Iceman has been plowing chicks for years.

>>95036964
fpbp

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>and turned it on with a switch

Isn't that exactly what Jean did to him?

>>95037086
His subconscious is aware, but as part of the package she made it so he can only express the thought in ways that inform others to dismiss that possibility.

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>>95036923
I'm not gonna lie, this is genuinely making me reconsider being openly gay.

He has a really good point that I don't think I can argue against.

>>95037092
So it's like that first issue of Doctor Strange where he knows Mordo is an evil asshole, but he can't say or do anything to stop it?

>>95036923
>when you try so hard to be bluepilled about lgbt issues thst you end up dropping the mother of all blackpills

>>95036923
I didn't realize that was Kitty, I though that was young Bobby.

>>95036923
Wait but isn't this the Iceman from the past brought to the present? Imagine how much bullshit that would be like for the parents to begin with and now they get this RETROACTIVE reveal just dumped on them as rudely as possible.

And even then, christ it's not out of the ordinary for coming out of the closet to be tough but 99% of the time the parents come around and learn to live with it so long as you stay in their lives, it literally doesn't matter how hard they take it right now what's important is where they'll stand in five years or so.

Fuck this hamfisted garbage.

Which of these scenarios is better?
>Only past Bobby is gay
>He's only gay when he's using his powers

>>95037144
First scenario. Since Bunn established that they are from an alternate past. Should've kept present Bobby straight. It's not like all versions of a character are the same sexuality. Ultimate Colossus and Gayverine come to mind.

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>>95036923
Flamboyantly gay man makes up cartoonishly homophobic elderly white couple in the comic that he was offered to write on the basis of being gay. That arc will be treated as a proof that our society needs a lot of work to become truly tolerant and progressive.

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It honestly looks like someone here needs to get JEAN'D as well

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>Bobby's parents... You're (okay with) gay.

>>95037128
Now we need an edit where Bobby explains to his parents he's in a relationship with his past self.

>>95036923
>Habe you tried not being a homosexual?

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>>95036923
It's not that surprising really given what we already knew about these guys, especially the father.

>>95037166
>Flamboyantly gay man makes up cartoonishly homophobic elderly white couple
Bobby's parents have always been like this. I'd argue that they used to be worse.

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>>95037347
Did we ever see their reaction to him dating a Jewish mutant?

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>>95037358

>>95037363
>Rogue and bobby
what arc is this anon? seems like a fun read.

>>95037394
Uncanny X-Men 319

>>95037239
>>95037248
>Past or present, being Warren Worthington the third is suffering
And jfc, Jean.. . I always thought the "Marvel Girl has a dubious morality" thing was a fun meta-narrative, but this is probably the most outright evil I've seen her written outside of the Phoenix force.

>>95036923
DAMN

>>95036923
>dude for dude

can't he stay serious for more than 5 seconds? Not even in this sort of situation?

>>95036923
Wait, I'm confused, is that past or present Bobby? Isn't past Bobby the gay one?

Are they really going with "Bobby was always gay and all the relationships he had were just he overcompensating"?

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>>95036923
>Because I thought "Hey genius idea: let's make life more interesting" and turned it on with a switch.

That's precisely what happened.

>>95037518
>Isn't past Bobby the gay one?
Present Iceman was also mind raped by jean Grey. He's been gay for a while.

Why'd they draw kitty as a teenage boy?

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>>95036923
X-men were a metaphor for queers from the beginning. At least now Marvel has the courage to depict it literally, X-men are essentially queers of society.

>>95036923
Didn't almost the same think happen 15 or 20 years ago, except it was about him being a mutant?

>>95036923
>Bobby Drake is dead. The Iceman wins.
That's an interesting perspective, actually.

>>95037010
yes, but that has nothing to do with him being gay

>>95037129
>Wait but isn't this the Iceman from the past brought to the present?
No, that's present Iceman.

>>95036923
>Mom blaming the dad for the kid being weird
I too remember X-men 2

>>95037033
It was off panel the entire time

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>>95037394
It was potentially the sexiest shit ever but they curtailed it because of Age of Apocalypse or something. Rogue was breaking loose like this fun-loving wild woman and took scared/nervous/beta Bobby along for the ride. She was getting ready to dominate him with super strength, be the alpha in he relationship, and tease the gay out of him with her skimpy clothes, but then the Mrkkaan Crysal stopped reality.

>>95036923
They have a point.

>>95036923
But that's exactly what happened.
Kitty turned him gay because she thought it would be interesting.
Also it's kind of shitty he did not tell his parents.

>>95037100
Stop being gay period, subhuman.

>>95036923
Is "kitty" a guy or a girl?

>>95036964
This.

>>95037696
What point?

>>95037742
>Is "kitty" a guy or a girl?
In the world we live? It's both.

>>95037744
They won't have grandkids if their only child is busy sucking dicks.

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>>95037754
He can adopt one.

>>95037754
He could always ask just get a surrogate mother.

>>95037786
You don't pass your genes when you adopt. Your linage comes to a halt.

>>95036923
Jesus. Well at least it's already at cancellation numbers, and Bobby's a White guy. Now America? that shit's gonna go on forever.

>>95037267
>Bobby explains to his parents he's in a relationship with his past self.
>Bobby in a relationship with his past self.
Holy fuck.
This. It's the ultimate degeneracy and I want to see marvel try and shame people for not supporting it.

>>95037297
He actually did, back when before Jean turned him homo.

>>95037860
>It's the ultimate degeneracy
Nah it's just narcissism

>>95037476

Honestly, all of the telepaths in Marvel are fucking monsters. Xavier at least tries to not abuse the shit out of his abilities, but even he does some really questionable stuff. And every other telepath in the setting just constantly pokes around where they know they are not wanted and does what they please because they believe there is no consequence.

What was the arc where one of those telepath girls from the school poked around in some dudes head and got blasted into a fucking coma because he had mental defenses against telepaths, and it was somehow HIS fault because he didn't warn them ahead of time? Despite them being on the same side, and her having literally no right or reason to go poking in his head without warning or permission?

>>95037100
>He has a really good point that I don't think I can argue against.
Which is...?

>>95037754
They WANT their Omega-level mutant son to procreate? Are they mad?

>>95036923
>"lets make life MORE interesting!" And turned [my gayness] on with a switch!

isnt this literally what the writers did?

>>95037577
>this is what Bryan Singer actually believes

>>95037347
TBF at that point Bobby's uncle was probably still killed by the Japanese in WW2 leaving his dad traumatized and racist.

>It's not like I turned on a switch

That is actually what it feels like though, due to how this shitty story happened

>>95037358
>Worried about Bobby bringing mutie girls home
>Now there's no girls at all

Poor guy

>>95038036
>I tell ya w'hat that boy just aint right

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>>95038023
why didn't they just make him bisexual? it would still be pointless but it would at least it wouldn't violate his entire history. or was having a "bobby, you're bi" moment not dramatic enough?

Can we please stop pretending as if coming out as gay is in any way brave anymore?

>>95036923
I honestly though kitty was a dude
why do these so called progressives hate the female form so much

>>95038072
If he was bi then his parents couldn't have that moment of "you won't give us grandkids reee" and there would be less tension.

>>95037358
Why did present Bobby turn gay, exactly?
This is as bad as Babs.

>>95037248
jean is fucking evil, did they follow this up with more evil jean

Where's the Benis edit?

>>95037913
A Descendant, all of the resources & time that they gave to raise him.

>>95037754
Their son doesn't have an obligation to give them grandkids.

>>95036923
"i want to go on dates with men"
why does every character in marvel now talk like 5 year old retared girls

>>95038167
Yes he does.

>>95038167
biological yes to continue the blood line and the human race

>>95038183
No he doesn't. His life is his own once he's an adult, not the property of his parents.

>>95036923
I'm surprised Kitty didn't call Bobby's parents niggers.

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>>95037248
I can't believe this was never fucking followed up on. It's retardedly evil

>>95038195
Still is. They wasted their time & resource raising him. Whats wrong on wanting an actual descendant?

>>95038192
No obligation to continue the blood line, anon. Some people can help the world in better ways than adding another screaming mouth to it. I think that Iceman's history of saving lives as a superhero counts as that.

>>95038205
>Whats wrong on wanting an actual descendant?
Nothing, but it's the other person's choice if they want to or not.

>>95038205
A child is a human being, not an investment. You raise them for their happiness, not your own.

>>95038205
Are you a sociopath?

>>95038156

So basically you're a sociopath who thinks love for family is a sum.

No one owes you anything, especially not someone you raised with them having no choice on the matter.

>>95038216
> a child is a human being, not an investment
it's both, it's a biological investment in the safety of a species, it's only due to the abundance of resources that we have in the first world that allows us to think like that.

>>95038215
Nope. His body is his Parents property. He's his dads seed.

>>95038229
They owe you the moment you were born.

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>>95036923
>>95036964
>>95036997
>>95037010
>>95037166

Edgy sociopaths unable to relate to anything other than the bag of cheetos they consume in their basement.

Typical.

>>95038231
>it's only due to the abundance of resources that we have in the first world that allows us to think like that.
Yeah so what's your point? We DO live in the first world with an abundance of resources, so there is no obligation for everyone to have kids.
We're in no danger of dying out from lack of having fucking babies

>>95038246

Did you chose to be born to your parents? Or, at all?

Funny thing conservatives have, viewing and praising human relations as unfair debts, then whining the same about having to pay taxes or give up guns for public safety.

>>95038247
Nice Projection.

>>95037358
>One week she's Italian
It's weird to think that there was a time when Italians were discriminated against.

>>95038231
Not the safety of the species as a whole, anon, the continuation of the blood line. Each child is a risk in that part. Some bloodlines die out. That's not a bad thing. Everything has to end at some point. Why shouldn't someone be able to choose to do that?

>>95038205

Probably because he's a human being, not a personal project.

You seem to be unable to comprehend concepts like love and family, which has me deeply concerned.

>>95036923
>didn't turn it on with a switch
It feels like Jean literally just did that to poor Bobby, but sure

>>95037248
Wow, that is fucked up

>>95038259
Nope but at least I am able to return the time & resources they gave me by having a good job an actual child.

>>95036923
i was kind of hoping they would have gone with bigots against mutants? yes. gay people? nah. this is just expected.

>>95038248
that wasn't the point
the point is that if biologically we exist to fuck, kill and die so that our species may propagate, not having children runs counter to that basic biological fact. my point about the first world is that we can think about that and decide not too, well in a poorer country nobody would think about whether or not they should bring children into the world; they just do it.

further more we as a species may not be in danger, but we as a country or society may see problems further down the road, really it all depends

>>95038231

Some time ago I read a really poignant satire of this type of conservative mentality: trying so hard to emulate the past, while ignoring or even shitting on the sacrifices mankind had to reach this state.

You truly are nothing but a stupid sociopath

>>95038234
Seeds grow, anon. In human cases, that's where agency comes in. Your child is a free agent. Once they can choose for themselves, you're gonna have to let them make their own choices, even if you think they're mistakes. The world doesn't owe you a grandson.

>>95038294
>my point about the first world is that we can think about that and decide not too
Yes. We can. And that's not a bad thing

>>95038284

By what, committing child abuse by having a child whilst bearing a mentality utterly unfit for parenting?

>>95038284
>return the time & resources
nigger, you're not an investment. the fuck is wrong with you

>>95038278
He's a mutant not Human.

In fact why even bother wasting on a kid that wont even give you a grand child? Wasting all that time & money getting him to school only to find out he likes dudes? Might as well give him money let him out & dont even bother with him again. Preferably just make another child & be sure he/she can give you a descendant.

>>95038294
You misunderstand biology, anon. We don't exist for a specific reason; biology is a map of patterns, not a guide for morality.

>>95038294
>really it all depends
You sum up the intelligence of a /co/ regular AND someone whose first day of school starts Monday. I'm impressed.

>>95038306
Too bad I already have a grandson so deal with it.

>>95037896
>Honestly, all of the telepaths in Marvel are fucking monsters. Xavier at least tries to not abuse the shit out of his abilities, but even he does some really questionable stuff. And every other telepath in the setting just constantly pokes around where they know they are not wanted and does what they please because they believe there is no consequence.
I've been saying this for years, except on a bigger scale. Almost all of the X-men in particular are really fucking terrible people when you look closer at them, and to let them have powers that ranges from strong to downright super-powerful is just not right.
As much as I hate the Inhumans, I honest to god wish that the Mutants would just go away so that they can hopefully be re-written as better characters down the line.

>>95038312
Thats why we have Divorce courts & Child Custody laws.

>>95038333
Too bad he's black.

>>95038301
>Some time ago I read a really poignant satire of this type of conservative mentality: trying so hard to emulate the past, while ignoring or even shitting on the sacrifices mankind had to reach this state.
that has nothing to do with anything i said, you might be responding to the wrong person. i only posted
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>>95038307
i didn't say it was a bad thing, i was just pointing out that we can and others can't
>>95038321
fair enough.
>>95038328
i was worried that if i went farther and argued that a decline in the birth rate in the first world was a bad thing that i would get called a nazi or have /pol/ screamed at me

>>95038333
Good for you, get off /co/ and spend some quality time with him.

>>95037347
>>95036923
Iceman's dad seems mostly the same, but his mother sure seems to have aged a lot.

>>95038319

If you had a loving family you'd understand why people don't treat other human beings as investments

>>95038318
Nothing. I'm just being thankful to my parents.

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>>95037248
>in DC, when they dabbled with another persons mind and memories it led to mistrust, the creation of Brother eye and to downright conflict
>in Marvel, no one says anything about it and it has no consequence

>>95038206
what ever
all of my friends have sworn of marriage or babies or both. thats 5 bloodlines gone
most of the girls were a work are between 19 and 25 are not going to have kids or get marriage or had a long term bf. that 6 bloodlines gone
thats 12 bloodlines which wont continue to the next generation
the australian birth rate dipped in 2015, australia isnt the only countries this is happening to, number of births in Japan dropped below one million. which is hurting the economy. its happening all over Europe. the only people have a vast number of kids is the illegal immigrants and muslims
being gay is a evolutionary dead end.

>>95036923
Wait wait wait.

Which Iceman is this? Assuming it's the young X-men one then how is he talking to his family? Are there no longer two Icemen? Is the older one going along with this gay thing as well?

>>95038346
Nope, Pure Liechtensteiner White brah.
>>95038350
already did last week, I am just sitting my old ass on this couch playing COD while I'm on 4chan on my phone

>>95038354
This World treats human beings as investments.

>>95038375
>Nope, Pure Liechtensteiner White brah.
That's just the denial seeping in. Your grandson is black and won't live past the age of 27. Hell, it'll be a miracle if he makes it to 18.

>>95038374
Both of them are homos now.

The young one talked to the current one and made him realize he likes dicks too. Jean was present I think too.

>>95038372
>all of my friends have sworn of marriage or babies or both
Considering they're all 16, I'm fairly sure most will change their minds

>>95038294
china's one child policy and parents aborting females has just caught up with them in a bad way

>>95038349
>i was worried that if i went farther and argued that a decline in the birth rate in the first world was a bad thing that i would get called a nazi or have /pol/ screamed at me

Honestly that's a better argument for why people should have kids than 'ree you owe me grandchild'.

>>95038389
come on man stop the projection/trolling.

>>95038391
my friend are in their 25 to 30s
my mate just got marriage to a 20 year old he wants kids she doesn't at all
she gets quite angry about it if u ask her

>>95038410
Are they Financially stable?

>>95038262
true though

>>95038428
That doesn't matter.

>>95038407
I'm not projecting nor trolling. I'm honestly worried that you don't recognize that your grandson is black.

>>95038410
>my friend are in their 25 to 30s
Sure they are buddy, just like you're definitely not underage either
>20 year old girl doesn't want kids
Ha, ask her again in her 30s when that biological clock starts ticking

>>95038410
She's fucking 20 you muppet. Lots of people don't want kids when they're barely out of highschool

>>95038428
yes very, she does counselling and he does road works that pays very well
they bought a house and he has a new truck

>>95038372
>being gay is a evolutionary dead end
True, but so what? Evolutionary dead ends exist. Let them be happy. Again, the sexual/evolutionary process is just one of many ways to make a better world.

>>95038397
yes, but i would that came mostly due to favoring male children over female.
though really two kids would have been the best solution. you are right though, any government trying tell a people not to have children can never work'd, it has to be a decision made at a personal level.

>>95038402
i feel that kids raised in the first world have a better chance of growing up to help others; due to the statistics of getting an education and being healthy then a kid in Africa or India would. also kids are fun

>>95036923

bahby ure gay

>>95037049
Not really, some people come under the assumption that they're gay, and after some experimenting realize they aren't. There's also the chance he might be bisexual.

>>95038372
If you care so much, go out and change society.
It's reasonably economical to forego such things in a world where people simultaneously can struggle to make ends meet beyond just remaining in existence (i.e., actally remain in society) but also have nearly undeterred access to alternative pasttimes that aren't just plowing your neighbor.

>>95038440
Yeah bruh, she's out partying behind his back banging Chads & then entrap him with marraige then divorce rape his ass.

>>95038435
Having kids, yes it fucking does. The kid doesn't choose to get sharted into existence, forcing it to live in a family without some degree of stability and support is just adding to it's suffering.

>It's a bunch of virgins and some loser grandpa think they know the first thing about raising children and aren't just soapboxing for /pol/ thread

Really piques my pistachios.

>>95038463
>There's also the chance he might be bisexual.
Nope, full gay. Jean said so

>>95036923
I'm guessing this is what Korrafags desperately wanted so bad

>>95038485
Jean a shit

>>95038496
Yeah they want Drama & attention. Not because they gay, but because they're fucking attention whores.

>>95038443
thats when they got marriage shes like 25 now
that clock is ticking
the problem i see is the aroson of the family unit. men are treated like crap and fathers day is in danger of disappearing because of liberal media and a court system that values mothers more than fathers. black fathers have disappeared because of the wealth state
also you have sjw idiots wanting to call fathers day special persons day
the war on men and boys is a war on all of society

>>95038463
You mean asexual?

>>95038443
In the past people used to have kids at 13 and 14, and 20 was seen as old.

>>95038496
someone post riri demanding to be oppressed.

That said Bobby's parents were always fuckers.

>>95038449
i didn't say im against that life style
you do you but that doesnt change the facts at all

>>95038375
Liechtenstein is fake Luxembourg, I'm so sorry to hear that.

>>95038520
>Bobby's parents were always fuckers.
They did nothing wrong in the OP pic, save maybe being a bit rude.

>>95038513
Bisexual, you know, attracted to both genders?

>>95038515
They also didn't live past 50, what's your point?

>>95038527
Liechtenstein is Switzerland's useless baby brother.

>>95038497
post page
are the writers going for the jean is fucked up and responsible for this angle and this is all retroactvely relatively genius or is it just fanfiction?

>>95038524
But those facts evidently don't matter to those people, so why raise them?

also assuming evolution as a force is limited to sexual biology in today's world is a very limited view of things

>>95038430
If that's the way you see it.

>>95038515
back then you had kid killing eases like polo and whopping cough and even the common cold
so you would have a litter just to cover your bases
but with most childhood killers thing of the past parents can just have one or two

>>95038538
Biologically, people past 50 are evolutionary dead ends and pretty much dead anyway, though they can continue contributing to the economy up to 65.

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>>95038546

>this is almost the exact reaction my own family gave me, except mine was far worse
>/copol/ thinks this page is unrealistic and hamfisted

>>95038312

Woah hey now, are you saying gays can't be good parents? Rude.

>>95038576
Ha what a fag.

>>95038576
I don't think it's unrealistic.

I do think the parents also have a point. It sucks for Bobby sure, but parents don't HAVE to be accepting. It can be shitty but being gay is not the only rift that happens. Religion, dating different races (or muties), not wanting to pursue a certain job, wanting to live across the country...

>>95038576
wow, you survived?

>>95038575
Why would she do this?

>>95038513
Man, I used to cope in middle school jokingly saying I'm asexual and I think that's the main issue behind ALL of this: it's fueled by tweens/teens and people with the mentality of teenagers still learning about themselves and trying to arrive to some self-discovered universal truth and generally well-meaning, even probably reasonably bright, adults who are wrong and end up humoring them.

>>95038602
She watched some yaoi animes.

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>>95038149

Brainwashing.

>>95038529
They're clearly depicted to be assholes and, in this particular issue, to maximizing brownie points.

>>95038529
>disowning your offspring because of their biological difference from the norm is doing nothing wrong

>>95038575
i mean adult bobby
we've all seen this 1000 times

>>95038627
They're rude but they're right, so it didn't work.

>>95036923
you can really tell Bendis has never actually talked to a gay person before. This is nothing like how people talk...what am I saying, of course not, it's Bendis

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>>95038634
Why even bother? they're gonna leave your ass when they turn 18 anyway. Might as well do it early.

>>95036923

I dont understand the outrage some feel. This is completely, utterly realistic. The "no grandkids" thing, and the "this comes from your bloodline, your side of the family, not mine" are things people really say.

>>95038640
It's quasi-realistic, but
>they're right
is the argument of the thread

>>95038634
You don't owe your children anything once they're old enough to be on their own. If kids want something from you afterwards, they need to conform to your wishes. Bobby isn't conforming, so he got what his parents had to give him and then nothing more.

They're still writing this same shit.

If they want to encourage gay people to be themselves, how about laying off the horror stories where every people over twenty is a raging homophobe.

>>95037358
Isn't Bobby's family partially Jewish themselves?

>>95038667
Marvel doesn't give a shit cuz their movies are the Prime beef.

>>95038667
People need to be made aware of the consequences of their actions, no matter how much you may want to shelter them to protect their feelings.

>>95038648
Or you can genuinely become such a positive factor in their lives it's mutually beneficial for them to stay in your life?

A lot of these posts remind me of my own dad. He's a complete fuck-up who only cares for his own ego and he wonders why his "property" never stuck around.

>>95037692
When I was a kid I self-inserted as either Bobby or Toad (X-Men movie made him seem cool) and dreamt of dating Rogue from the movies/X-Men evo. My pre-pubescent boner dreams were canon and I didn't even know it.

>>95038649
We all watched X-Men 2, too, dude.

>>95038698
Why not as Gambit?
also, Southern Belle Rogue a best

>>95036923
Is this that comic where in the last pages they try to compare gay to mutants saying mutants are more accepted these days, even though every single other comic, and specially the X-Men ones, show the complete oposite?

>>95038691
That's because your dad is a total idiot. Dont even bother being a positive factor cuz He'll get that from gangbangs.

>>95038649
Because there are people here who push back against anything that makes certain """conservative values""" look as bigoted as they actually are.

>>95038589
People who have kids out of some sort of perceived responsibility to their parents instead of wanting an heir themselves, not gays

>>95038704

I have forgottene everything about the xmen movies of the 2000s. I am just saying this is a normal realistic by the numbers coming out scene.
Perhaps the USA is so progressive that now people love having gay kids (dont know, I am not American) but this is still common in much of the world. The parents blaming each other for the son ending up being gay, and the disillusionment at realizing you will have no grandchildren.

I'm not really worried since Gays cant genetically pass on. One way or another they will dwindle away.

>>95038733

Mutants do not work as allegories for ethnic or sexual minorities, at all. They never have and they never will. If anything they work better when you frame it in terms of gun control.

>>95038745

I feel like it's a bit of a stretch of logic to suggest that having that reasoning for siring a child would inevitably mean they would abuse their kid.

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>>95038363
That's because the Martian Manhunter is usually there to bitchslap telepaths when they get out of line. J'onn's reaction to the average Jean Grey arc would be blind fury.

>>95038769
>gays can't have kids

Is this what retards actually think?

>>95038769
That would be correct if homosexuality wasn't passed down the opposite line. You inherit gayness from your mother's slut-genes. As long as sluts exist, so too will faggots.

>>95038149
It's called a retcon and making all the gay tumors throughout the decades to come true

>>95038770
Not abuse, just bad parenting, don't put words in my mouth one post in
Imagine how you would feel if you learn you were born not out of love, but out of duty. Think of it from the development of the child, not the parents or grandparents

>>95038769
Anon, that's not how gay works.

>>95038786
what

>>95038800

>by committing child abuse

>>95038770
>Mutants do not work as allegories for ethnic or sexual minorities
Ethnic, obviously not. Ethnic people are actually the majority of the planet.

Sexual minorities of course they make a perfect fucking allegory for them. Less than 1% of the population born different and hated for it, it's the same shit

>>95037363
Completely unrelated, but does anyone have any preferences for good Rogue stories? I'm writing dialogue for a Southern character now, and I like how smooth and easy she speaks without defaulting to HOWDY Y'ALL YEEHAW GITTALONG LIL' DAWGGIE.

>>95038814
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3735668.stm

>>95038819
No, because sexual minorities aren't walking WMDs.

>>95038819

Wanting to smash your own gender is not in any way equivalent to gaining the ability to shrug off sustained machine gun fire or shoot tank-obliterating laser beams from your eyes.

>>95038775
Whoa!! That's a pretty cool plot. And Aquaman once replaced Superman?

>>95038786
SO your saying all of this LGBTQ bullshit is all because the Motherside is a total whorebag?

>>95038840
>everything is one-dimensional

>>95038769
homosexuality isnt a product, it is a by-product. Homosexuals keep being born at the same rate, they dont need to breed themselves to exist, they are born from straight people.

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>>95036964
WTFPIATBP

>>95038826
I would like better sources if you wouldn't mind.

>>95038862
>they are born from straight people.
scary when you think about it

>>95038848
More like "very fertile" but yes, essentially.

>>95038890
How the fuck is it scary

>>95038856
>I'm gonna ignore the rules and facts of my own fucking made-up world to make a stupid allegory instead of using actual characters that belong to sexual minorities
okay

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>>95037347
He was also not a very good father

>>95038908
you never know when one can appear in your family

>>95038935
How is that scary nigger

>>95038935
And why is that scary to you? You're afraid of gay people?

>>95038942
>>95038939
the betrayal is scary. the page in the op makes sense if you look from the parents' point of view

>>95038955
Betrayal? What betrayal?

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>>95038955
What betrayal

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>>95038942
Are you not? Two of them almost raped the Hulk!

>>95038980
just imagine, being the dude that raped the hulk.
you would never feel safe in your life again.

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>>95038963
>>95038968
Guys, I think he's actually that serious, in fact, I fear he's that retarded.

Let's just... try to make him leave, ok?
You know, don't give him (you)s at this point.

>>95038664
But their wishes are unreasonable. They should be called out on that.

>>95038942
Nope. Just disgusted by them.

>>95038775
i would love to see that

>>95038963
>>95038968
>>95038995
the betrayal of someone being something and then pretending to be the opposite. like when in Carrie the boy asked her to prom and then dumped pig blood on her. life is built on honesty not lies

>>95038843
Gerry Conway's Justice League is criminally underrated. The idea was that only heroes who could commit to the League full-time would join (so basically anyone who didn't have an ongoing). But of course batfags wouldn't buy it without Batman, superfags wouldn't buy it without Superman etc etc.

>>95038534
It was a stupid question in the first place. If Bobby knows for a fact he doesn't like girls after all,then he can't possibly be bisexual.

>>95036923
I'm glad I'm not a comic fan and just come here for cartoons, I cannot imagine how angry I'd be if I cared about this shit. I'm not even invested and I'm still rustled.

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>95039028
First of all, there is a main difference between lying and being an outright shitbag. Most of Carrie's cast deserved to get an awful ending, not in the levels of what happened at the end of the novel, but still.
Meanwhile, a sexual preference is something you can't easily change, otherwise, you're either bullshitting just to have sex or are actually not worth shit.
That being said, what world do you live that you actually are that stupid to believe in what you just said?

>>95039065
The same son who was "sure" he was attracted to women for 99% of his life. "Are you sure" is fucking fair to ask

>>95039065
Sure explains all those women he was banging for years

>>95036923
It's like we're back in the early aughts.

>>95038306
In my country a man has two options to be a "free agent". He has his own children, then he counts as a true adult, and doesn't own his parents anything other then respect Or he does not have children and then he has to return the money invested in to him by his parents until he is 35. Until he has a kid or pays up he can't marry who he wants, leave the parents home, work where he wants. On avarge the return comes to aroud 300k euro, but if you parents were rich or middle class sent you good paid schools etc, it can be even 10 times as much. Very few people go for the pay option, specially as you are going to be working for your parents or where they want you to work, so if they want to stop you from ever paying up/forcing you to marry someone and have kids, they will do it.
Females on the other hand, us being an evil patriarchy do not have to ever pay up, even if they never marry or get kids, and when the parents die her brothers have to take care of here for ever.

I miss old x-men lads

>>95039181
What country?

>>95038354
Bullshit, in china for example you have to groups of people. Females who do not have to care for their parents when those are old, and males who have to. Guess what happens, the people who do not have to take care of their parents do not do it, as neither the law or sociaty forces them to. In return all people who can and want to have things know that a girl is not going to help the when they are old. And this ends with what? girls being aborted, and the male to female ratio shifts to more males, which is an abomination considering the higher death rate of males at all ages.

In the west the same way of thinking you show, ends up with you not having kids at all, because why have kids, when they are just a financial burden, that when your old does not care about you at all.

>>95039181
So you can't get married or move out until you have a kid? Are you just supposed to fuck your girlfriend on your parent's couch?

>>95039221
What do you care, but I was born in Dubai.

>>95039241
It's their customs go to their country & ask them that.

>>95039241
until you have a kid, you are not considered an adult by sociaties norms. The fucking a girl and getting her pregnant before marrige thing, is a thing you ultra do not want to do. If you pay your parents to do "your own thing", your technicly an adult, still you are going to struggle to find a job, it is practicly impossible for someone to do unless you came from a rich family and moved west and got a job there. And locally you will for ever be branded as the guy who didn't want to give his parents grandchildren. Not as bad as a girl whoring around or killing a person, but socially it is really bad.

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>>95039305

>>95038181
They talk like their fanbase.

>>95038072
Because Bendis doesn't think bisexuality is a thing and wanted Iceman to fuck men

>>95039418

You should really learn to respect other cultures, anon.

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>he will never write x-men agian
Why even live?

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>>95036964
>reading Marvel in the year of our lord 2017

>>95039418
different culture is not the same as autism. Sure there stuff one may not like much, like lets say slavery, but at least we breed properlly and in 100-150 my people are still going to be there, how many of you western nations can say the same?
And if you argue that specific sociaty rules are bogus to you, well m8, I do agree with you, but it is not like your own doesn't have them too. For example you guys have an odd problems with people telling the truth. You pro activlly punish people for saying stuff like, jews dominate in X. It could the fucking truth, it could be even ment not as attack, could be even said by a jew, but if it is said in the "wrong place" or "wrong time" it suddenly bad. that is mind blowing to me, not the fact that if people don't have rise their children to take care of them when they are told, the children do not take care of them and later generations have fewer and fewer kids.

>>95039536
So how many kids do you have anon?

>>95039458
But that is bullshit, there were legions of gay man through the ages that had families and kids, saying bisexaulity doesn't exist doesn't make sense. From a historical perspective, from a science perspective, I mean even from a common sense one. It is not like it is very hard to get a [no pun intended] get a male of most species hard, what ever he wants it or not.

>>95039549
ha, see I am too young to get married still at school, but in the future I hope to find a nice jewish girl to marry. Just like my dad. From a family perspective I am really lucky. My parents love each other very much, the family of my father works close with the family of my mother. There were no problems with which of the children are going to be muslim and which where going to be jewish. No one from my closest family ended up as an extremist aka terrorist. When I finish school I will get a job at my grandfathers firm, and probably then I am going to get married. Normal stuff for us.

>>95038576
Wow a redhead also mind controlled you too!?

>>95039536
>we breed properlly and in 100-150 my people are still going to be there, how many of you western nations can say the same?
Western countries are in no danger of dying out. We already have magnitudes more people than we "need". If anything, other countries have serious overpopulation problems.

>>95040460

A lot of Western countries have declining birthrates that desperately need to be corrected by importing as many immigrants as possible, otherwise the economy will implode. Same with Japan.

>>95040511
People vastly exaggerate how big of a problem that is. Population doesn't need to grow in order for the economy to grow.

>>95040085

They generally do, in one way or another

>>95037818
well we know Future Iceman gets the power to give birth to quasi sentient Ice Monsters

>>95038819

>Sexual minorities of course they make a perfect fucking allegory for them.

Not in the fucking least and one would have to be an imbecile to think so.

>>95038474
Really gets the noggin joggin

>>95040815

It makes my brain think

>>95036923
Who does Kitty looks like a shota?

>>95036923
Why don't they bring up all the girls he's dated?

>>95036923
Those last two panels are devastating burns.

>>95037128
This. When they called him "Kitty" I was so confused.

>>95036923
>dude for dude

>>95038359
No, you're not. You're just trying to pay them back so you don't feel guilty about being a shitty son.

>>95036923
>Because I thought, "Hey, genius idea: let's make life more interesting" and turned it on with a switch?

I mean that's basically what happened

>>95040743
>tfw your only son becomes gay and his only offspring is Frozen's Olaf ripoff
Poor man didn't deserve it, everybody hate muties so why must he be the only one to suffer so much ?

>>95041040

I'm in favor of gay Bobby but this is painfully true

>>95040689

Yes it does. We need exponential population growth, and that means supplanting native populations that are declining with new ones that will increase the rate of growth. Then when those populations get comfortable living first world lives and decline like the original natives did, we can do it again. There are literally no downsides to this fool proof economic plan.

>>95038259
But gun control has no impact on public safety.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/95ap25.htm?utm_source=supporter_message&utm_medium=email

>>95037896
Not Nate Grey. He was a good boy

>>95038538
That's a myth. People lived past 50 all the time.

>>95041213
Yeah, what actually happened is that lots of kids died very early, which skewed the numbers. It's also why people used to have a lot of kids, since that was the best way to ensure that some of them would live to adulthood.

>>95038644
Bendis didn't write this though. You can tell because no one is repeating what the other is saying and the dialogue doesn't fill up half of each panel.

This is from Ice Man's solo book.

>>95041105
What if the influx of immigrants recreates tribal cultures that lack the established societal regulations and culture that allowed for economic development in favour of patriarchal controlled tribal conflict either in a political/economic sense or boiling over into armed conflict?

>>95040511
This is a myth; especially as much of the imported population is not economically active or trained in high level manufacturing. It's basically just increasing consumption to artificially inflate GDP when we should be looking at reducing consumption, which was happening naturally until the policy of mass migration was introduced in the 1980s and onward.

>>95041264

That's just you making racist assumptions.

>>95040927
Because that harms the narrative Marvel is trying to spin by having Bobby always having been gay.

>>95039028
Wait I don't get you.

You're saying you're afraid of gay people because they might not act overtly gay? What do you want them to do, greet you with a handshake and offer to suck your dick with a flamboyant voice just so you can avoid the mild shock of discovering that sometimes people hide stuff about themselves from other people?

>>95039028
Do you greet everybody by saying you like cartoons and post in 4chan? Because if that's the case, you don't have to worry about being betrayed since everybody's just gonna stay away from you.
You'd have more friends just saying out loud you're gay.

>>95041306
Two words: Tower Hamlets.

>>95038072
Mavel's legit stance is that bisexuals don't exist.
When they turned Bobby gay, they also turned Hercules explicitly straight

>>95042284
> It is WAR! There can be no compromise.
--Marvel official.

So what was the reason they made Bobby gay? Also kinda sucks they made him gay since any writer reverting him back to straight is a death sentence.

>>95038229
YOU'RE the fucking sociopath here. Only idiots pursposefully remove themselves from the gene pool. Even gays should aim to pop one out.

>>95037248
This is fucking evil. If it doesn't lead to "Young Jean is a fucking psychopath villain" storyline, then fire every fucking writer involved.

>>95042343
Shit, I guess there is Daken, but he seems to just be Bobby's gay mentor these days

>>95038800

Couldn't be both, no, that'd be too complicated for poor simple you

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>>95042454
She got a stern talking to after she tried it a second time. That's punishment enough

>>95038229
>>95038247
Samefag retard

>>95038775
Wait why is Aquaman in charge? and why is he being such a dick?

>>95038199
Anon, please.

Bobby's mom is Jewish, and Zion gonna Zion.

>>95037363
This one seems to be done far better than the Gay Bobby shit. The mom isn't hysterical but doesn't try to step in either, Bobby leaves to defuse the situation a bit instead of stirring the pot more, and Rogue actually lets us know that Bobby does consider much of his dad to be a good man, and you see a bit of regret on his face as she says this where he starts to question if he's really in the right.

Gay Bobby is just "RAH RAH MUTANTS TURNED MUH SON GAY". Which technically is true, but it seems like they're trying to ignore how it happened because the "Bobby you're gay" strip offended gay people more than it did the homophobic people.

>>95042532
>WHY DO PEOPLE FEAR MUTANTS WE'RE PEOPLE TOO.
Idk Jean.

>>95040794

the perfect allegory with sexual minorities is the "powers appear at puberty" thing.

But then, X-Men are a catch all for minorities. Genosha was Apartheid South Africa, and the Legacy Virus was AIDS.

>>95036923

I want to assfuck Iceman to make him feel better, a pity fuck.

>>95039181
Shit culture desu

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>>95038719
Well I always thought Bobby was cool and Toad was the closest thing to a lizard guy. If there were an X-character similar to Reptile from Mortal Kombat I would've chosen them.

Somebody post those panels from Austen's run when Bobby finds out Northstar is gay, he starts laughing, and the girl with him calls him a homophobe and a racist.

>>95039259
This explains a lot.

>>95037144
Both posssibilities are hilarious. The first one is a nu-sulu situation.

I'd also add this concept: He's only gay with himself. as in his time displaced self.

>>95042413
>So what was the reason they made Bobby gay?
Bendis.

> Also kinda sucks they made him gay since any writer reverting him back to straight is a death sentence.

I've always though he should be bi.

>>95042599

The bottom line of mutants being a poor example of just about anything boils down to the possibility of just about anybody, good or bad, sane or crazy, developing powers capable of just about anything, up to and including destroying the earth, the galaxy, and/or the universe.

Which isn't a thing you could lay at the door of any demographic currently existing. Except maybe mudslimes

>>95036923
>tfw my dad's OK with me dating dudes and as far as I can tell likes my bf, but got noticeably sad when I came out and told me I wouldn't give him children
That part was spot on but what the fuck kind of reaction did you expect from telling this so bluntly and like a 15 year old girl. How do you expect this to be relatable if Bobby doesn't talk like a normal person?

>>95038698
But Rogue was ugly in the movies.

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>>95042532

Jean really is just a scumbag in all continuities.

>>95042562
Because Justice League Detroit was a deliberate attempt to do a Justice League without relying on DOcs biggest characters, and because Aquarian is usually kind of a sick.

>>95039631
>No one from my closest family

QUICK CALL THE ALPHABET SOUP AGENCIES! HIS THIRD COUSIN TWICE REMOVED IS GONNA PULL 9/11 2.0

>>95038247
Sat with my wife and 2 kids after just finishing work relaxing and I agree with the dad.

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>asking "Are you sure?" is considered a stupid question
Fuck those faggots.

>>95036923
>let's make life more interesting and turn it on like a switch.
>never getting out of the school

Someone at marvel had to be laughing when they approved this. This is too meta. No way they were unaware.

>>95042532
God, I love Cuckoos so much.

>>95042802
The two bobbies have a spider man silk relationship.

>>95036923
Knowing how Bobby ended up gay I can't help but sympathize with the parents

I feel like telepaths are some of the worst people when it comics or maybe in fiction most of the time.

>>95036964
I was thinking the same thing.

>>95043476

With Emma going off the deep end is it these two in charge and fighting it out?

It just occurred to me that she turned angle into a weapon to neutralize x23 and keep her off scooty.

>>95039090
Isnt he virgin when Jean read his mind?

>>95044426

Hes a past version of a present person. The only explanation that makes any sense is Jean turned them gay. Maybe the first was an accident and the second to cover or maybe shes some version of pure soulless evil.

>>95036923
>Cause this time you are really dead
Jesus christ who writes this shit

>>95036923
Is Kitty a dude now? And why did turning queer make Bobby fat?

>>95044606
Because current Marvel

>>95044606

Thats just general sjw marvel shit. Women look like men and men are spineless weak blobs. Masculinity is evil anon. Like capitalism. And herero cis people.

>>95038613
Wait, this is an edit, right?

>>95037692
I never knew that Bobby and Rogue were ever a thing outside of the movies.

>>95042284
>they also turned Hercules explicitly straight
I am very angry right now

>>95036923
When does overdone cliche bullshit like this stop being "brave" "groundbreaking" and "important"?

>>95044756
they weren't. He was literally playing "bff" for the road trip while Rogue was havign Gambit issues. Then Gambit actually showed up

>>95044725

Yes.

>>95044725
They don't call her Marvel girl for nothing.

You're gay.
Be gay.
Be gay, anon.
Be gay and buy Marvel comics.

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>+340 replies

Seriously though, why? You retards seriously think you're saying anything that hasn't been said before a million times? You think you have some fresh new hot take that no one has thought of? You think bitching about it is going to be heard by the right people in charge on an anonymous indonesian basketweaving board? You think bitching about this is going to help you mentally in the form of venting? Clearly not, because this pathetic circle jerk has been going on for a long while and you fags are still humming the exactly same whiny tune as before, so you're clearly not achieving any kind of lasting catharsis.

What the fuck happened to this board? It's not the negativity or the bitching I mind, but it's the same fucking thing day in day out. When did actual autists that enjoy mindless repetition infest this board?

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>>95044921

>>95038363
there really need to be someone to humble telepaths

>>95038372
>muh bloodlines

>>95036923
Every issue of this series is that scene from the movie.

>>95038372
>being gay is a evolutionary dead end.

Except we have this thing called surrogate mothers. Plenty of male and female gay couples have kids that way.

>>95044921
normal boards were a mistake
They said we were retards so retards came

>>95045286
Dickgirl is the next step in evolution. Homo Superior.
Heteroboring cucks are dinosaurs.

>>95038195
Gays are an evolutionary dead end. They kill families.

>>95038072
Because Bendis wanted gay.

Maybe later someone can come in and make him bi.

>>95038372

Supposedly, gays are there to help support the people who DO have children. Where for instance you will have 20 people supporting 8-9 children rather than 10 (assuming this is the first round of kids).

>>95038156

Well, if you feel obligated it's not like you can't still give them a grandchild, right?

>>95042421
7 billions individuals on earth.
If a disease kills 99.9% of the world population, the human race would still not be in danger of extinction.

I don't see how a few people not having kids is bad for the gene pool....

>>95038072
Gays hate bisexuals the same way that atheists hate agnostics.

>>95045687
Yes, but atheists can't fuck agnostics in the ass.

>>95038564
If you lead a life of sitting in the couch on the computet all day then yeah, I've met men im their 70's who can hunt or still hold a job.

85-90's is when people start going down.

>>95045602
You're using population as an excuse for not having children, like other people are doing the work so you shouldn't bother, but this is intellectually dishonest. People don't have children because they are
>A) Selfish
>B) Losers
Having or not having children isn't about serving your greater duty to humanity. It's about maintaining a healthy lifestyle and investing in not being a lonely depressive once you hit 50. It certainly isn't easy. Wasting your youth alone in your room on 4chan is easy, but waxing nihilistic is a destructive feedback loop. There's nothing to gain intellectually from deciding to not have kids. You can fantasies about the future miseries of others like divorce or resentful children, but at least their lives weren't a cesspit of numbness. Before anyone tries to flip this as something selfish on the breeder's part, then know your argument is immediately made invalid by the existence of a child and the decision made to raise it. That'd be next level doublethink.

Why does Kitty look like a man?

>>95046056
>you NEED to have children to have a happy and fulfilling life
k