About damn time they got rid of Captain Fascist and brought

Wish he hadn't given away his shield though. Didn't even let him be part of the group shot at the end.

Far too late.

it was lazy as shit ending

>>95025736
Fuck all these updated suits. Keep Cap in his classics, it just looks amazing.

Naturally, the SJW heroes needed a white guy to come save them. How introspective.

>>95025861
You made this butthurt post before, cumskin.

>>95025810
Can we at least be glad that it's over for the most part? And preferably never speak of this event again.

>We're not gonna just use the cube to correct everything and bring Cap back.
>Psyche!

>OG Nick Fury didn't come in to save the day
bullshit

Does this read better after reading Civil War 2 and the two Captain America ongoings?

>>95025736
>He's not even on the victory page at the end

>>95025884
Someone says that every event, then we still get more garbage

>>95026241
it doesn't end in a 7 page ad for upcoming events

>>95026241
Why the FUCK would you want to read this or CW2?

>>95025810
let's be fair, this is still better than a character just vomiting up the mcguffin the heroes need purely because they needed it, not because it's part of his physiology or he swallowed it for safe keeping, his power is if the heroes need something to beat the bad guys, he can just spit it up maybe because Disney wouldn't let Marvel yank it out of his ass

>>95025736
Secret empire is so horrify cliche.

It's even worse than the ending of the manga Fairy Tail. At least that one had tits.

>>95025736
Real cap is hydra cap. The other is cap idealized. Uncle sam'd.

>>95025736
What happened?

>>95025884
It's not over. We still have more Generations garbage and then Cavengers shit. After that who knows what Marvel will pull out of their ass next. Maybe another twitter war.

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>>95026424
>At least that one had tits.
Go on.

>>95026424
Never read that. What makes the ending terrible?

>>95026520
A cosmic cube that was a little girl turned Captain America into a nazi but then she brought back not-nazi Cap so he could beat up nazi Cap and then she undid all the nazi things nazi Cap did except Las Vegas was still destroyed

>>95025894
but they didn't, anything that happened before SE#10 still happened. Kubik only corrected the part where Hydra Cap used the cube to alter history.

>>95026601
oh boy

>>95026520
Sam gave Steve their cube fragment, but Bucky and Ant-Man were shrunk down inside it and talked to Kobik, the little girl persona of the cube from [one of the recent events]. Once she merged with the rest of Steve's cube portion, she brought real Steve back to fight the Hydra Steve she had earlier been convinced to summon forth. The Steves fight while Kobik returns the world to a ruined normalcy, Mjolnir changes inscriptions and real Steve uses it to beat up Hydra Steve.

>>95026520
think of the worst ending you can imagine

then dial it back a lot because they weren't nearly that creative

>>95026241
Definitely far better after Standoff and the two Cap ongoings. But the ending is far more disappointing if you read Steve Rogers, that built HydraCap up as a fantastic character with a noble goal but a flawed ideology, arguably no different than regular Cap in that regard.

Then after all the character development that went on in SE it ends with the heroes winning by punching HydraCap really hard until he gives up. I can't imagine this was the ending Spencer had in mind because it goes against not only everything he's been building HydraCap as in his own book but in SE itself.

A better ending would have been HydraCap singlehandedly trouncing the heroes and getting his dream, only to find that the moral sacrifices and corrupt people are still there and deciding to put the world back as it was before.

Why were the more overpowered heroes scared of this Cap anyway?

Would have not been too hard for Namor or Thor to kill him. But he kept staring them down over and over again.

>>95026886
Captain America stared down fucking Thanos. In-universe he's probably the single most respected man on Earth. His utter devotion to righteousness is acknowledged by every hero and villain.

When you have a man of that much conviction now focusing that laser intensity on taking you down, that's frightening, especially so when he controls the most powerful military in the world, now even more powerful with the addition of Hydra forces and fanatics, and numerous highly powerful villains at his side. You don't want to do anything to embolden such a man, especially with most of the superheroes who could help you trapped in space, trapped in the dark dimension, or forced into hiding.

You know gang/mob bosses don't get to be where they are by being the toughest guy in the room. They get there by being the smartest and most confident.

>>95027033
And Namor can still slap him across three counties anytime he wants.

>>95027147
And that would be a bad idea to do to someone with the military power to raze his entire kingdom.

>>95025736
#NotYourShield
#NotMyCaptain

>>95025861
>>95025877
>>95026678
>>95026761
It's like you're trying to sound like a samefag

>>95027033
>In-universe he's probably the single most respected man on Earth.
Doctor Doom was defeated in the original Secret Wars because he simply could not believe that Captain America could die.

are we ever getting the real cap back aka Hydra Cap or will the new idealized Cap created by Kobik be the one Marvel will using now?

>>95025736
What the fuck happened with Hydra Steve?

Also, isn't real Steve on a copy of his body and not the original?

>>95027033
I wish Superman had this respect and status on the DCU.

>>95027668
The only way to restore the real Captain America would be to remove the false memories, restore the real memories and then put him on trial for genocide. The new Cap is a replica created by the Cosmic Cube and will therefore never be legitimate.

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>>95027732
He's had his moments but chalk it up to him being seen as overpowered and unrelatable.

That and Batman hogs the spotlight half of the time, if not more.

>>95027707
He's locked up in limbo until 2 years from now when we bring him back as the All New Grand Director to fight Falcon and the Patriot in some new storyarc in their book

>>95027775
that's so sad, why couldn't marvel use the cosmic cube to undue everything, would be a lousy story but an easy out.

instead they leave Hydra Cap to be jailed and Las Vegas destroyed.

>>95028097
But Hydra Cap is real Cap. New one is a fake copy created from memories.

>>95027928
Sups is basically more of a plot device than a character now.

>>95028138
where did i say Hydra Cap wasn't real cap?

>>95027732
>>95027928
You're both insane if you think Superman doesn't have this exact same type of clout in the DC world, except times a thousand. I mean, this is basically Forever Evil Supes.

And you need to stop with the Batman meme. You have no idea how much damage it's doing when the writers keep trying to nerf Batman to the backburner to combat the prevelance of this meme (and the people who say it largely don't even read his series'). He can hardly do anything by himself now.

>>95028255
This chart is stupid. You should just lump Brick Throwing together with Cop Killing and kill two pigs with one stone.

>>95025785
Then you missed the point of the event. How many times did someone say "we deserve this?" That it was the older generation's fault? The point was to set up the new characters.

>>95026886
>>95027033
For the final fight he had Stark armor powered by a 90% complete Cosmic Cube.

>>95027732
He does.

>>95027928
>unrelatable
Can this meme die already?

>>95027668
Idealized cap is your new real cap. He is born of Steve old removed memories.

>>95026595
The heroes overcome impossible odds by the power of friendship, love and resolution.

Literally, screaming "my friends are waiting for me in this world we know and love!" to power up and beat a being hyped to be omnipotent and unbeatable for hundred of chapters.

>>95025736
Are we sure this is the real Captain America? I mean this could be an astral projection from that little girl.

Just like the current Magneto is an magical construct created by Wanda. The real Magneto has been dead since New X-Men #150.

>>95028892
The one where he's been fucking up, losing, and getting his ass kicked procedurally every arc since Death of the Family, maybe even Court of Owls.

Batman is a punching bag these days for everybody to strike back against his gary-stu image. All his writers keep trying to have it both ways where characters both respect Batman's ideas, but look down on him for his methods (Kate, her dad, Stephanie, Harper, and that's just in Tec). And i mean LOOK DOWN, straight up think they're superior, whereas in the past characters at least valued him as a solo vigilante. Now all the writers are trying to be so fucking meta by constantly placing the consequences of all his villains' actions at Bruce's feet, trying to make the comics play by both real-world logic AND comic logic.

Then you have his "offspring" the rest of the the Batfamily, who are all written as being resentful for being under his shadow. Babs doesn't acknowledge him, Jason disowned him as a father, Damian's being written by an asshole who is demolishing his relationship with Bruce. Dick and Alfred are the only characters in the Batfamily who don't seem like they resent Batman.

>>95029120
You could say the same about Hydra Cap. She created him from the ground up and changed history to make him fit into our world.

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So...instead of undoing the brainwash on the real Steve, Kobik tuned her own memory of Steve into flesh? That leaves some disturbing questions behind, like: Is he actually human? How much of the real Steve was Kobik able to replicate? Does this memory->flesh Steve even remember/know everything the old Steve does? Also, what the fuck?

>>95029120
From what was actually established in Standoff and Captain America: Steve Rogers, HydraCap should be the "real" Cap just with his history altered (which has happened to both Cap and Falcon before) and this Cap should just be Kobik's memories of the "original" Cap.

Which contributes to my theory that this is an asspull at the last second in order to tie into Legacy and make Marvel look good for going "look guys it's the status quo, aren't we just like DC now". It makes no sense with how the plot has been building up and contradicts what we already know.

>>95027668
>>95027775
No, Captain Hydra was the fake. It wasn't just altered memories, it was altered history. Kubik restored the old timeline, meaning this is the real Cap again.

>>95029601
*Kobik

>>95029553
Every character is now a copy if you really think about it. Steve's basically Uncle Sam/saga of the swamp thing'd.

>>95029836
>Steve is now uncle Sam

That's actualy cool.

>>95029553
Based on what was said, it seems like this new Steve has all the memories of the original timeline up until he was fighting Crossbones in Pleasant Hill, back when he was old Cap and was trying to save Kobik, who at the time I think all he knew of her was that she was a little girl with powers.

It's likely this new Cap will have some questions, mainly what happened to Tony and the events that occurred during CW2.

>>95029553
Steve was never brainwashed. Kobik literally replaced him with one who experience an alternate history.
The Steve remnant was the one who got replaced

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>>95030069

>>95025736
>>95025786

Maybe its about time Leftists stop taking out their irrational hatred of America out on Captain America? It's not even getting old, it's gotten ancient and cliched.

>>95030136
Good cap says he doesn't know who is real. Ko is call him a memory.

Stevens memories became idealized. Steve basically is a walking symbol now in every sense of that word.

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Sure is nice to see Marvel comics encouraging fighting and violence in the streets.

>>95030266
>Remeber that time the champions said no punching down and then attacked a town of normal peiple?

>>95030411
But they were white, so it wasn't punching down

>>95029553
We can assume that he's a perfect recreation of Reed's perfection recreation of Captain America.

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>>95030924
Sises neg destroyed the real marvel universe in 1974.

>>95028510
Literally show me the last time Superman was inspiring as a figure in the larger DCU. Not in his solo series.

>>95031262
Probably Infinite Crisis back in... 2006. And that would be pushing it.

>>95026289
Why should he be? Everything that happened was Cap's fault.

>>95026682
terrible

>>95026772
>A better ending would have been HydraCap singlehandedly trouncing the heroes and getting his dream, only to find that the moral sacrifices and corrupt people are still there and deciding to put the world back as it was before.
Pretty good and a lot better than what D&C spewed in his video about how he would end it.

>>95027732
same t b h

>>95026589

From what I understand it's basically One Piece but with wizards, weaker writing, and character designs more easy to spank the monkey to.

>>95029601
Nope. If that were the case Las Vegas would have been restored and Black Widow and Rick Jones would be alive.

>>95031262

Final Crisis off the top of my head.

>>95025736
You mean, a copy of real Cap based on someone else's memories.

Sure sounds like real Cap. Yep.

>>95025736

lol who cares?

>>95027316
>Doctor Doom was defeated in the original Secret Wars because he simply could not believe that Captain America could die.

Captain America sounds like a terrible character

>>95027732

But he does. In universe Superman is the most respected hero by far. If you think it's Batman you're wrong. Half the other heroes don't much like the Batman, Green Lanterns especially

as someone who enjoyed secret empire somewhat, that ending was such a joke

>>95033084
Well, Tumblr thought it was insensitive and had to end fast.

>>95031964
To be fair, D&C didn't read either of those books because he hates Nick Spenser and knew damn well he'd end with this kind of bullshit.

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>>95026424
Thank you for giving me a reason to go in that terribly old folder of mine for once

>>95026315
That's what's legacy is

>>95031262
let the colors fly again

>>95027707
According to Deadpool's issue he was taken into custody. We'll probably know for sure what happens with him in Omega.

As for the body, who knows? Was Captain Hydra ever in Steve's body or was Cap's original body warped out of existence when Kobik made Captain Hydra and brought back here? God knows Spencer will never explain that

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>>95031262
This is the most recent i can think of at least until doomsday clock
Ya I know futures and was shitty

>>95025736
Shame. The fake is back again.

>>95028395

>The point was to set up the new characters.

New characters that nobody even fucking likes enough to buy the issues. Good luck trying to sell a Captain America comic when it's Sam as Captain america and everybody still sees Sam as a side kick. Good luck selling Jane as Thor when people would literally rather see Beta Ray Bill dualwield Mjolnir and Stormbreaker.

Funny how Rebirth is DC saying that they hear their fans cries over how they treated their older characters in Nu52 and are slowly but surely bringing them back to their original form, while Secret Empire is Marvel's biggest possible fuck you to their fans and their relentless cries to bring back and revitalize the old generation, while Generations is like their half-assed attempt of appeasement to the fans that don't like this bullshit.

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>>95034506

I dropped this shit and ever looked back but goddamn where her tiddies fine

>>95034039
Fast? It took 11 issues to get to that point, plus the ultra decompression of Captain America; in two different titles!

>>95025736
Did this get storytimed yet?

>>95032509
Says who? Removing the copy doesn't change what that copy did.

>>95031262
How about the entirety of Rebirth?
>not his solo series
Why the fuck not?

>>95031899
Pretty sure it was Red Skull's fault.

Since he's the one that got Kobik to HYDRAfy Cap in the first place.

>>95030411
Post pic

>>95025736
evil cap should be ultimate cap

>>95037603
No, he's the new Grand Director/50s Cap. Ultimate Cap is not as bad as people like to pretend he is plus he was already brought back and killed by the Maker during the last issue of the Ultimates.

>>95037672
jesus this is convoluted

>>95025736
>((((((((((((((((real)))))))))))))))))

>>95028350
>nerfing Batman further
Good

>>95025736
America has always been a fascist country, from the very beginning. Captain America and Captain Fascist are the same thing.

>>95028395
AKA White Genocide

>>95025861

What's even more hilarious is what happened with Sam. Sam doesn't even try to fight Captain America, he goes to one knee and gives him the Cosmic Cube!

That has all kinds of unfortunate implications, mainly that a black man can't beat a white man by fighting fair.

>>95038016
I don't think you know what fascist means, or even the history of fascism or the united states

>>95038257
It's only there if you want it to be. Alternatively, you could say that the black man is smart enough to defeat his opponent without fighting like a common brute.

>>95030144
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>95026601
>>95026682
>Come up with a fun idea for an event
>Everyone gets angry at it
>End it in the worst way possible as punishment for fans

>>95038272

Yeah, but the day was always going to be won with a knock-down, drag-out, one-on-one duel between Captain Americas.

Why is Sam doing the victory pose on the last page? He didn't do ANYTHING! It was Steve who saved the day by punching out Captain Hydra.

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>>95025736

>>95027707
>>95027668

This is insanely dark, by the way. Hydra Cap is the original Cap - the new Steve is a cloned version of him, basically, with all of the idealized one's memories.

But Hydra Cap has the memories of BOTH the original timeline and his altered one. He's the Steve we've been following for 50+ years. That's fucked.

>>95038563
Jesus that sounds existentially terrifying.
So is old Steve good or bad now?

>>95038272
No, you only say that when Steve wins a battle through guile and cleverness.

>>95038563
Since both of them were recreated by Kobik, and both have the same memories right until Kobik created Hydra Cap, they're both the real one - and neither are the real one.

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>>95026589
>>95032109
>and character designs more easy to spank the monkey to
Basically. See pic.

>>95038392
tfw this did a better secret empire than Spencers shit. Helll this was only one issue as well.

>>95038563
One can argue that the real Steve died when Kobik replaced him with the younger, Hydra version.

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>>95038563
He gotten swamp thing'd

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>>95039385
William was shown alive, ready to be programmed.

>>95038721
No, Hydra Cap is current cap and superior the old one, he know everything he knows and more. check the timetables.

>>95038336
>Why is Sam doing the victory pose on the last page? He didn't do ANYTHING!
He was the one who fooled Captain Hydra?

>It was Steve who saved the day by punching out Captain Hydra.
The problem wasn't with punching out Captain Hydra. It was with evading his Cosmic Cube attacks. Sam's plan was to get to Kobik and undo Captain Hydra's Cosmic Cube use. It didn't really matter after that which superhero would kick depowered Captain Hydra's ass (Sam stopped the others from helping out Steve for it to be a symbolic battle or something).

>>95036152
if you have to ask that you don't belong here

Since new Cap is an artificial construct, I predict that they will merge the two Caps into one person and remove Hydracap's memories in an effort to salvage the character and avoid prosecution. But it still won't be the original Cap since the only version of the original Cap that exists is Kobik's memory of him. And that's not a real person, it's a memory of a person.

>>95038563
Nobody cares
Basically real spider man died in Dock Ock body. It's just his mind copy, God knows how damaged by Spock, running his body

>>95040298
But they're not. They decided to let things stick. They're not gonna put hydra caps bad memories in his head or let hydra cap get off.

Spencer stuck with the thing just they said they would. Just like homos on here who wanted it that way and are now flip flopping on it. Just cut your cock and balls off dude. Your estrogen is showing.

If I get banned, I win.